You are pointing out more reasons why Putin/Russia feel provoked when
you say things like - "Ukraine has almost twice the U reserves as the
USA as well as the original processing plants going back to the cold war
..." - Supposedly from his point-of-view -> Ukraine and West were not
going to negiotate with him about such things and so was forced to take
action.
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From: "Jones Beene" <jone...@pacbell.net>
To: "vortex-l@eskimo.com" <vortex-l@eskimo.com>
Sent: Wednesday, 4 Jan, 23 At 13:48
Subject: Re: [Vo]:2023 -- An ominous New Year
There is another point of view which recognizes that Ukraine never
trusted Russia (duh, who does?) ... going back through history - and
therefore never gave up all of their nukes - treaty or no.
They most likely kept smaller suitcase or artillery devices which would
have been easier to hide.
This would not have been difficult to do in that time frame. The
Ukrainians are not so stupid as to trust Russia and before Zelenskyy
they were corrupt so another motivation could have been financial gain.
At any rate they would surely have kept enough fissile material to serve
as a deterrent, but also --- some or all of that material may be in
private hands maybe in a neighboring country such as Poland.
Putin is probably aware of this. After all he is the master spy. His
bluster is directed at NATO.
Ukraine has almost twice the U reserves as the USA as well as the
original processing plants going back to the cold war when there were
several "secret cities" scattered around the Donbas which may explain
why that area is the center of attention of the Wagner group ... which
has likely been promised billions of Euros to retrieve the material.
If there was NOT such a deterrent out there in the hands of the
Ukrainians - they would already have been toast by now.
Terry Blanton wrote:
Regretfully, I agree.
ROGER ANDERTON wrote:
Ukraine was not supposed to have nukes by earlier agreements with
Russia, hence Ukraine wanted to join NATO to get access to nukes - and
that was seen as breaking agreements with Russia hence one of the
reasons for Putin's invasion - i.e deemed Russia was provoked. If
Ukraine secretly has nukes then they broke agreement much earlier than
recognised
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<vortex-l@eskimo.com <mailto:vortex-l@eskimo.com> >
Sent: Wednesday, 4 Jan, 23 At 00:09
Subject: RE: [Vo]:2023 -- An ominous New Year
I AGREE WITH JONES; Ukraine sent drones deep into Russia to remind
Putin that they are not the onley onrs with tactical nucs. MAD is
alive ane still is working IMHO/
I see a trues in the new YEAR WITH Ukraine 95 % WHOLE—MAYBE AN OLD ww2
CRUSIER AS A CONSOLATION PRIZE FOR THE RUSSIAN NAVY.
FRC
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Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2022 5:39 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com <mailto:vortex-l@eskimo.com>
Subject: Re: [Vo]:2023 -- An ominous New Year
Yes I remember seeing some of this years ago.
We have to remember that Ukraine was just as corrupt as Russia in the
recent past.
The new twist is that the suitcase devices were actually constructed in
Ukraine decades ago ... as were other nukes in the Soviet arsenal years
ago. The Russian equivalent to Oak Ridge is actually n Ukraine.
The problem now being this - are some of the missing devices in the
hands of non-Zelenskyy Ukrainians or ex patriots who may have an agenda
which is not aligned with NATO/USA ??
This mystery may explain why Putin has not used a major asset
Terry Blanton wrote:
The missing suitcase nukes hidden in cities in the US is not a new
story. I'm sure it was around in the 90s after the collapse of the SU.
If NEST hasn't found them by now, well...
Jones Beene wrote:
Can this upcoming year, 2023, possibly be Happy for most of us ?
Consider this: the situation in Ukraine has cast a dark shadow over
everything. Basically, Russia cannot win, nor can they fully lose... so
long as a nuclear option exists.
Most military experts rule out that option, but they have overlooked one
hidden possibility which is now emerging (from the all but forgotten
Cold War) - and now we see this predicament turning up in the fringe
news. See the video below on the 250 so-called "suitcase nukes" that we
have lost track of...
It is sad to think that part of our present predicament is related to
control of energy resources, which is a situation that LENR would
arguably have mollified or eliminated, if the technology had been
adequately researched back in the early 1990s
The Balance of Power, so to speak, would have been different in a world
with adequate energy beyond fossil fuels... but of course that
conclusion assumes many things...
Speaking of related unproved assumptions which would change things in
hidden ways... check out this video which turned up today. There are
surprising ramifications given that a preexisting batch of small nukes
may have already been planted.., maybe even in DC
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tS_7eZVt854
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tS_7eZVt854>
If there are optimists out there on Volandia let me add:i
-- Happy New Year !!!
