Re: [Vo]:"Progress Photographs" pdf from Defkalion Green Technologies
http://rulev-igor.narod.ru/theme_142.html 11.05.2012, 22:15, "David Roberson" : > The atomic battery I referred to operates in this manner: Rossi wrote a > paper which stated that his reaction occurs when a proton enters the nucleus > of a nickel atom. The newly minted and excited copper atom then releases an > energetic positron by positive beta decay. The energetic positron is capable > of overcoming a large voltage potential and reaches the case conductive > material where it is annihilated by an electron. This causes a current flow > within the outer casing and active medium to reestablish net charge > balance. The nickel-hydrogen mixture would attempt to develop a negative > charge as the positrons escape. > > The original atomic batteries operated in a similar manner. The main problem > encountered with this battery system is that the voltage generated is quite > large and the current flow small. The open circuit voltage depends upon the > energy carried by the charged particles while the short circuit current is > determined by the number of reactions occurring per second. The resulting > high impedance source is difficult to match as optimum energy delivery is > achieved. > > Newer and improved batteries use a PN junction to multiply the current > available at much lower voltage. I suspect that it is possible to extract > more of the energy contained within the particles by the original technique > provided that an efficient voltage converter is obtainable that operates at > high voltage. > > I currently do not think that the atomic battery concept makes a significant > contribution to the reaction, but it does offer an alternate way of > thinking. Perhaps the charge imbalance actively stirs up the core mixture > as negatively charged nickel nanoparticles become attracted to the outer case > where they release the excess electrons. Is it possible that the net > negative charge appearing upon each nickel nanoparticle further accelerates > protons released by the spark plug ion generator? Perhaps this effect would > help explain the concentration of energy in active surface regions of the > devices. > > Dave > > -Original Message- > From: Jojo Jaro > To: vortex-l > Sent: Fri, May 11, 2012 2:57 am > Subject: Re: [Vo]:"Progress Photographs" pdf from Defkalion Green Technologies > > ... > I am unfamiliar with the Atomic Battery calculations you are alluding to. > Can you please elaborate? > > Jojo > >
Re: [Vo]:"Progress Photographs" pdf from Defkalion Green Technologies
http://rulev-igor.narod.ru/theme_142.html 11.05.2012, 22:32, "Рулев Игорь" : > http://rulev-igor.narod.ru/theme_142.html > > 11.05.2012, 22:15, "David Roberson" : > >> The atomic battery I referred to operates in this manner: Rossi wrote a >> paper which stated that his reaction occurs when a proton enters the nucleus >> of a nickel atom. The newly minted and excited copper atom then releases an >> energetic positron by positive beta decay. The energetic positron is >> capable of overcoming a large voltage potential and reaches the case >> conductive material where it is annihilated by an electron. This causes a >> current flow within the outer casing and active medium to reestablish net >> charge balance. The nickel-hydrogen mixture would attempt to develop a >> negative charge as the positrons escape. >> >> The original atomic batteries operated in a similar manner. The main >> problem encountered with this battery system is that the voltage generated >> is quite large and the current flow small. The open circuit voltage depends >> upon the energy carried by the charged particles while the short circuit >> current is determined by the number of reactions occurring per second. The >> resulting high impedance source is difficult to match as optimum energy >> delivery is achieved. >> >> Newer and improved batteries use a PN junction to multiply the current >> available at much lower voltage. I suspect that it is possible to extract >> more of the energy contained within the particles by the original technique >> provided that an efficient voltage converter is obtainable that operates at >> high voltage. >> >> I currently do not think that the atomic battery concept makes a >> significant contribution to the reaction, but it does offer an alternate way >> of thinking. Perhaps the charge imbalance actively stirs up the >> core mixture as negatively charged nickel nanoparticles become attracted to >> the outer case where they release the excess electrons. Is it possible that >> the net negative charge appearing upon each nickel nanoparticle further >> accelerates protons released by the spark plug ion generator? Perhaps this >> effect would help explain the concentration of energy in active surface >> regions of the devices. >> >> Dave >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Jojo Jaro >> To: vortex-l >> Sent: Fri, May 11, 2012 2:57 am >> Subject: Re: [Vo]:"Progress Photographs" pdf from Defkalion Green >> Technologies >> >> ... >> I am unfamiliar with the Atomic Battery calculations you are alluding to. >> Can you please elaborate? >> >> Jojo >> >>
Re: [Vo]:"Progress Photographs" pdf from Defkalion Green Technologies
http://rulev-igor.narod.ru/theme_142.html 11.05.2012, 22:13, "Andre Blum" : > Pages 5 and 7: > Full ashtrays close to the H2 charge circuit.
Re: EXTERNAL: [Vo]:Splitting Water with Nickel Molybdium Catalyst
http://rulev-igor.narod.ru/theme_142.html 11.05.2012, 22:13, "Roarty, Francis X" : > Nice find Ron, > > I’ve seen similar articles about splitting water more > efficiently but this one finally focused in on the geometry, I wonder what > would happen if you now took these 2D sheets and ground them into powder… > would the resulting grains retain the surface area gained by the nitrogen > and elevate this gain to 3D? > > Fran > > From: Ron Kita [mailto:chiralex.k...@gmail.com] > Sent: Friday, May 11, 2012 1:30 PM > To: vortex-l > Subject: EXTERNAL: [Vo]:Splitting Water with Nickel Molybdium Catalyst > > Greetings Vortex-L > > More uses for Nickel: > > http://phys.org/news/2012-05-nanosheet-catalyst-sustainably-hydrogen.html > > Respectfully, > > Ron Kita, Chiralex > > Doylestown PA
Re: [Vo]:"Progress Photographs" pdf from Defkalion Green Technologies
http://rulev-igor.narod.ru/theme_142.html 11.05.2012, 21:39, "Akira Shirakawa" : > On 2012-05-10 20:17, Akira Shirakawa wrote: > >> Hello group, > > DGT also updated their "Job Positions" page here: > > http://www.defkalion-energy.com/jobs > > Cheers, > S.A.
Re: [Vo]:"Progress Photographs" pdf from Defkalion Green Technologies
http://rulev-igor.narod.ru/theme_142.html 11.05.2012, 21:39, "Jojo Jaro" : > Having 2 spark plugs on both ends, and firing them alternately in groups will > cause the hot zone to alternate between the 2 ends. This to me would push > the hydrogen back and forth between the 2 ends, as hot hydrogen expands and > migrate to the cool end. Timing the sparks properly would create a constant > hot hydrogen gas pulse alternating between the 2 ends. And fast flowing > hydrogen should carry the nickel nanopowder along for the ride thereby > ensuring that the sparks never hit the same powder particles. This to me is > a effective means to create turbulence. > > My approach to creating turbulence is to take advantage of the > themosiphon "Chimney"effect. Hot gas flows up and is cooled and then gets > pulled along an alternate tube back to the bottom where the spark plug is. I > calculated the gas flow in the order of 137m/s within my reactor. Whether > this figure is accurate or not, one thing is clear - I have sufficient > turbulence. > > It appears unneccesary to use spark plug for temperature measurements. There > appears to be an abundance of thermocouple connections in that reactor. > Looking at the reactor end plates, there are a lot of "holes" for a bunch of > different instrument probes. The presence of the spark plug is unneccesary > for the purposes you mentioned. > > To me, sparks appear to be critical for the creation of Rydberg matter as > speculated by Axil. > > I am unfamiliar with the Atomic Battery calculations you are alluding to. > Can you please elaborate? > > Jojo > >> - Original Message - >> From:David Roberson >> To:vortex-l@eskimo.com >> Sent: Friday, May 11, 2012 1:24 PM >> Subject: Re: [Vo]:"Progress Photographs" pdf from Defkalion Green >> Technologies >> >> I do see the two plugs at opposite ends of the device but it is not obvious >> why this configuration would generate a large amount turbulence. The fact >> that they are using two plugs might indicate that there are two isolated >> voltage feeds; one positive and the other negative (or AC to balance the >> effect). This might tend to spread the ion stream along the length of the >> cylinder. >> >> The metal caps at each end of the device are quite thick which explains the >> long reach plugs. >> >> An earlier poster suggested that the plugs were merely used as a means of >> breaching the metal caps with a high pressure and temperature resistant >> connector. This might be the reason for the plugs if we follow their >> reasoning since spark plugs are used in ICE in that manner. Of course they >> also carry the high voltage to activate the plugs in those services. >> >> There may be good logic associated with the spark induced ion current >> injection. I once looked at that from a different perspective. I >> calculated the induced current associated with an atomic battery that >> operated with beta plus decays that would occur according to Rossi's >> original paper. It was a while back in time but I recall that several >> milliamps of current would be induced at the power level of a few >> kilowatts. I can reproduce the number if it is of additional interest. >> >> If the current is in the form of protons required to interact then it should >> not be too difficult to generate the necessary number by spark ionization. >> I have to wonder how effeciently the protons interact with the nickel active >> regions when origniated in this manner. >> >> I note that you mention that you use a different method of creating >> turbulence in your device. Have you actually build one which has a >> significant energy gain? >> >> Dave >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Jojo Jaro >> To: vortex-l >> Sent: Thu, May 10, 2012 11:31 pm >> Subject: Re: [Vo]:"Progress Photographs" pdf from Defkalion Green >> Technologies >> >> Another thing, notice on page 24, DGT's reactor has 2 spark plugs mounted >> co-axially on both ends of the reactor. >> >> What is the point of this? What is the point of 2 plugs on both ends? >> Seems to me that if you wanted more power, all you've got to do is increase >> the energy on each individual spark and use only one spark plug. >> >> I speculate that this is for the purpose of creating turbulent flow. DGT >> must be firing those plugs alternately, created a rhythm of heating and >> cooling on both ends of the reactor thereby stimulating turbulent mixing in >> the reactor. Seems logical for me. >> >> I used a different approach in stimulating turbulence. >> >> Jojo >> >>> - Original Message - >>> From:Jojo Jaro >>> To:vortex-l@eskimo.com >>> Sent: Friday, May 11, 2012 11:20 AM >>> Subject: Re: [Vo]:"Progress Photographs" pdf from Defkalion Green >>> Technologies >>> >>> Rossi has not mentioned anything about spark plugs, though I suspect that >>> sparks being central to his design, he would misdirect about it. I am of >>> the opinion
Re: [Vo]:"Progress Photographs" pdf from Defkalion Green Technologies
http://rulev-igor.narod.ru/theme_142.html 11.05.2012, 21:39, "Robert Lynn" : > Spark plugs make for easily removable/modifiable, cheap and easy high > voltage, high current and high temperature electrical feed-throughs into > pressure or vacuum vessels. I don't think you can read to much into their > use. > >> At 04:42 PM 5/10/2012, ecat builder wrote: >Wow. That is a spark plug on >> that reactor! See Pages 13, 14, 16, 18. >Page 18 has a spark plug on the >> desk. Interesting... Maybe they preload hydrogen, let in some oxygen and >> ignite it. Gives a very sharp pressure/temperature pulse.
Re: [Vo]:"Progress Photographs" pdf from Defkalion Green Technologies
http://rulev-igor.narod.ru/theme_142.html 11.05.2012, 21:39, "Abd ul-Rahman Lomax" : > At 07:15 PM 5/10/2012, Alan J Fletcher wrote: > >> At 04:42 PM 5/10/2012, ecat builder wrote: >>> Wow. That is a spark plug on that reactor! See Pages 13, 14, 16, 18. >>> Page 18 has a spark plug on the desk. Interesting... >> Maybe they preload hydrogen, let in some oxygen and ignite >> it. Gives a very sharp pressure/temperature pulse. > > I thought this was a neat idea for startup until I realized that this > would form water in there, which would then need to be flushed out. > I'd think that gas would not be flowing through an operating device, > and consumption of hydrogen (requiring flow in) would be very low. It > could be a lot more complicated than electrically heating the thing.
Re: [Vo]:"Progress Photographs" pdf from Defkalion Green Technologies
http://rulev-igor.narod.ru/theme_142.html 11.05.2012, 21:39, "Alan J Fletcher" : > At 04:42 PM 5/10/2012, ecat builder wrote: > >> Wow. That is a spark plug on that reactor! See Pages 13, 14, 16, 18. >> Page 18 has a spark plug on the desk. Interesting... > > Maybe they preload hydrogen, let in some oxygen and ignite > it. Gives a very sharp pressure/temperature pulse.
