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11.05.2012, 21:39, "Jojo Jaro" <jth...@hotmail.com>: > Having 2 spark plugs on both ends, and firing them alternately in groups will > cause the hot zone to alternate between the 2 ends. This to me would push > the hydrogen back and forth between the 2 ends, as hot hydrogen expands and > migrate to the cool end. Timing the sparks properly would create a constant > hot hydrogen gas pulse alternating between the 2 ends. And fast flowing > hydrogen should carry the nickel nanopowder along for the ride thereby > ensuring that the sparks never hit the same powder particles. This to me is > a effective means to create turbulence. > > My approach to creating turbulence is to take advantage of the > themosiphon "Chimney"effect. Hot gas flows up and is cooled and then gets > pulled along an alternate tube back to the bottom where the spark plug is. I > calculated the gas flow in the order of 137m/s within my reactor. Whether > this figure is accurate or not, one thing is clear - I have sufficient > turbulence. > > It appears unneccesary to use spark plug for temperature measurements. There > appears to be an abundance of thermocouple connections in that reactor. > Looking at the reactor end plates, there are a lot of "holes" for a bunch of > different instrument probes. The presence of the spark plug is unneccesary > for the purposes you mentioned. > > To me, sparks appear to be critical for the creation of Rydberg matter as > speculated by Axil. > > I am unfamiliar with the Atomic Battery calculations you are alluding to. > Can you please elaborate? > > Jojo > >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From:David Roberson >> To:vortex-l@eskimo.com >> Sent: Friday, May 11, 2012 1:24 PM >> Subject: Re: [Vo]:"Progress Photographs" pdf from Defkalion Green >> Technologies >> >> I do see the two plugs at opposite ends of the device but it is not obvious >> why this configuration would generate a large amount turbulence. The fact >> that they are using two plugs might indicate that there are two isolated >> voltage feeds; one positive and the other negative (or AC to balance the >> effect). This might tend to spread the ion stream along the length of the >> cylinder. >> >> The metal caps at each end of the device are quite thick which explains the >> long reach plugs. >> >> An earlier poster suggested that the plugs were merely used as a means of >> breaching the metal caps with a high pressure and temperature resistant >> connector. This might be the reason for the plugs if we follow their >> reasoning since spark plugs are used in ICE in that manner. Of course they >> also carry the high voltage to activate the plugs in those services. >> >> There may be good logic associated with the spark induced ion current >> injection. I once looked at that from a different perspective. I >> calculated the induced current associated with an atomic battery that >> operated with beta plus decays that would occur according to Rossi's >> original paper. It was a while back in time but I recall that several >> milliamps of current would be induced at the power level of a few >> kilowatts. I can reproduce the number if it is of additional interest. >> >> If the current is in the form of protons required to interact then it should >> not be too difficult to generate the necessary number by spark ionization. >> I have to wonder how effeciently the protons interact with the nickel active >> regions when origniated in this manner. >> >> I note that you mention that you use a different method of creating >> turbulence in your device. Have you actually build one which has a >> significant energy gain? >> >> Dave >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Jojo Jaro <jth...@hotmail.com> >> To: vortex-l <vortex-l@eskimo.com> >> Sent: Thu, May 10, 2012 11:31 pm >> Subject: Re: [Vo]:"Progress Photographs" pdf from Defkalion Green >> Technologies >> >> Another thing, notice on page 24, DGT's reactor has 2 spark plugs mounted >> co-axially on both ends of the reactor. >> >> What is the point of this? What is the point of 2 plugs on both ends? >> Seems to me that if you wanted more power, all you've got to do is increase >> the energy on each individual spark and use only one spark plug. >> >> I speculate that this is for the purpose of creating turbulent flow. DGT >> must be firing those plugs alternately, created a rhythm of heating and >> cooling on both ends of the reactor thereby stimulating turbulent mixing in >> the reactor. Seems logical for me. >> >> I used a different approach in stimulating turbulence. >> >> Jojo >> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From:Jojo Jaro >>> To:vortex-l@eskimo.com >>> Sent: Friday, May 11, 2012 11:20 AM >>> Subject: Re: [Vo]:"Progress Photographs" pdf from Defkalion Green >>> Technologies >>> >>> Rossi has not mentioned anything about spark plugs, though I suspect that >>> sparks being central to his design, he would misdirect about it. I am of >>> the opinion that those things that are mentioned by Rossi are the wrong >>> ideas, while those things that he is curiously silent about are the key. A >>> basic assumption I am working from is that Rossi would misdirect, while DGT >>> would be more candid. So far, that assumption appears to hold. I believe >>> Rossi calls his high voltage sparks as "RF". >>> >>> I've always wondered about the amount of electronics in Rossi's blue box. >>> Seems to me that if you only wanted to control power to a resistance >>> heater, you won't need that tangled web of electronics we saw in his blue >>> box. Those electronics are for some process totalling unrelated to his >>> resistance heating, IMO. >>> >>> Remember one of those videos by Matts Lewan. Krivit rightly mentioned that >>> before Lewan entered the room where the steam output was, there appears to >>> be no steam popping noise. When Lewan entered the room, the steam >>> immediately started popping. When Lewan went back, he caught Rossi red >>> handed with his hands at the controls manipulating something. I speculate >>> that Rossi was manipulating sparks. That's the most logical conclusion for >>> me as no other heating mechanism can instantaneously create lots of heat >>> and steam in the time it takes Lewan to enter the room (probably a few >>> seconds). >>> >>> As for your question on how to distribute the heat, you are right, but the >>> answer is turbulence. In another thread, I speculated that sparking must >>> be accompanied by turbulence and mixing. If not, the sparks would quickly >>> "cook" and melt the nickel nanostructures critical to the process. A >>> design must be made that would insure that sparks do not follow the same >>> path everrytime, and if it does, it must not pass through the same set of >>> nickel powder particles. Hence, turbulence is key. >>> >>> I have designed my reactor to achieve both these goals. I believe for me, >>> it is now just a matter of hunting for that secret ingredient. Axil's >>> speculation about Cesium being the secret ingredient is quite compelling. >>> >>> Jojo >>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From:David Roberson >>>> To:vortex-l@eskimo.com >>>> Sent: Friday, May 11, 2012 10:55 AM >>>> Subject: Re: [Vo]:"Progress Photographs" pdf from Defkalion Green >>>> Technologies >>>> >>>> Jojo, I do not recall any evidence of a spark plug or similar device in >>>> Rossi's designs. It is true that the internal heating unit was well >>>> concealed and not subject to inspection during his first small cylindrical >>>> design. Also, I suspect that it would be possible to carefully construct >>>> a small spark gap that could be driven by the PWM controller that he used >>>> for these tests. Perhaps that is his secret sauce. >>>> >>>> Do you recall any evidence from his statements that suggests the use of >>>> sparks for the purpose you mentioned? I can not remember any mention >>>> whatsoever of this process in any of his correspondences. We will only >>>> know for sure when we actually get our hands upon some of his products. >>>> >>>> I suspect that Rossi is having trouble with control of his devices because >>>> he depends upon temperature as the main driving force behind the energy >>>> production. DGT may have discovered the spark process with one stroke of >>>> genius and that is why they are doing so well with their development. >>>> >>>> Your thoughts about the rapid heating and cooling due to sparks within the >>>> hydrogen are interesting. I would be concerned that the local heating due >>>> to this effect would be excessive as in a hydrogen torch and would degrade >>>> the nickel by melting. How would you distribute the heating so as to >>>> alleviate this issue? >>>> >>>> Dave >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Jojo Jaro <jth...@hotmail.com> >>>> To: vortex-l <vortex-l@eskimo.com> >>>> Sent: Thu, May 10, 2012 9:54 pm >>>> Subject: Re: [Vo]:"Progress Photographs" pdf from Defkalion Green >>>> Technologies >>>> >>>> Dave, I disagree. I think the use of High Voltage Sparks is fundamental >>>> in both Rossi's Ecat and the DGT Hyperions. I believe it is the best way >>>> to create Ionized Hydrogen for the process. >>>> >>>> I suspect the bulk heater is used to bring the temps up and then use the >>>> Sparks to control the reaction by controlling the amount of Ionized >>>> hydrogen available for the process. >>>> >>>> In a previous thread, (I believe it was "To spark or not to spark") I >>>> speculated that spikes in temperature were the result of sparks, as no >>>> other process could bring hydrogen temps up that quickly and cooling it >>>> down just as quickly. Looks like my initial suspicions were correct. >>>> Sparks are the Ke, together with the "secret sauce". >>>> >>>> Funny, how DGT uses that "long reach" spark plug (looks like a Champion 1" >>>> long reach spark plug.); same thing that I have used in my spark reactor; >>>> albeit used in a slightly different manner. >>>> >>>> Jojo >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From:David Roberson >>>>> To:vortex-l@eskimo.com >>>>> Sent: Friday, May 11, 2012 8:59 AM >>>>> Subject: Re: [Vo]:"Progress Photographs" pdf from Defkalion Green >>>>> Technologies >>>>> >>>>> This technique looks significantly different from anything that Rossi has >>>>> demonstrated. >>>>> Dave
