[Vo]:[Rossi TR#2] Reactor close down : all Li and Ni converted. Coincidentally?
I find it quite a coincident that after 32 days approximately all Ni and Li were transmuted to Ni62 and Li6. I would have guessed that running out of the original isotopes would create a reduced performance which would be the reason for shutdown. Why has this not been mentioned?
Re: [Vo]:[Rossi TR#2] Reactor close down : all Li and Ni converted. Coincidentally?
Rossi says on his blog the test was planned for 35 days. Peter On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 2:23 PM, Teslaalset robbiehobbiesh...@gmail.com wrote: I find it quite a coincident that after 32 days approximately all Ni and Li were transmuted to Ni62 and Li6. I would have guessed that running out of the original isotopes would create a reduced performance which would be the reason for shutdown. Why has this not been mentioned? -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com
Re: [Vo]:[Rossi TR#2] Reactor close down : all Li and Ni converted. Coincidentally?
Maybe it took a few days to set up/tear down all the equipment. On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 6:34 AM, Peter Gluck peter.gl...@gmail.com wrote: Rossi says on his blog the test was planned for 35 days. Peter On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 2:23 PM, Teslaalset robbiehobbiesh...@gmail.com wrote: I find it quite a coincident that after 32 days approximately all Ni and Li were transmuted to Ni62 and Li6. I would have guessed that running out of the original isotopes would create a reduced performance which would be the reason for shutdown. Why has this not been mentioned? -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com
Re: [Vo]:[Rossi TR#2] Reactor close down : all Li and Ni converted. Coincidentally?
At 04:23 AM 10/9/2014, Teslaalset wrote: I find it quite a coincident that after 32 days approximately all Ni and Li were transmuted to Ni62 and Li6. I would have guessed that running out of the original isotopes would create a reduced performance which would be the reason for shutdown. Why has this not been mentioned? Although none of the tests show it, I still believe that the ECAT will run, as advertised, for at least 6 months on one charge. The time for this test was set by the experimental team (and most likely by their host, which was paying for the power). I'm beginning to think that this transmutation was a burn-in secondary effect, particularly for the Lithium, which was there only to provide the hydrogen. If you ignore the bump when they changed the input power levels (files 4 to 6) the COP increased almost linearly over the whole test. So maybe the long term COP depends on these transmutations -- ie the availability of (most likely) Ni62, and coincidentally Li6 -- and would have stabilized just a few days later when the transmutation was complete. I wonder if Rossi knew this would happen. However, he usually runs his Ecats at higher power, so the burn-in might be much quicker -- and he's never analyzed the ash that early. He's also hinted that the 1MW baby at the customer has also needed constant attention and adjustment (including being called out in the middle of the night). Maybe it too is undergoing a settling-in period --- it's also been running for less than a month. But we won't get those results for at least a year, and they will be purely internal documents. In short, I think it IS coincidental that the Ni and Li transmutation was nearly complete at the end of the run, but that some other reaction continues beyond that point. And even if the 1g charge DID have to be replaced monthly it would probably still be economical.
Re: [Vo]:[Rossi TR#2] Reactor close down : all Li and Ni converted. Coincidentally?
They only looked at a few grains of the ash so to extrapolate the results to all of the remaining fuel is probably erroneous. --On Thursday, October 09, 2014 1:23 PM +0200 Teslaalset robbiehobbiesh...@gmail.com wrote: I find it quite a coincident that after 32 days approximately all Ni and Li were transmuted to Ni62 and Li6. I would have guessed that running out of the original isotopes would create a reduced performance which would be the reason for shutdown. Why has this not been mentioned?
Re: [Vo]:[Rossi TR#2] Reactor close down : all Li and Ni converted. Coincidentally?
the powder change seems quite simple... no complex procedure... surprising. 2014-10-09 15:53 GMT+02:00 Alan Fletcher a...@well.com: At 04:23 AM 10/9/2014, Teslaalset wrote: I find it quite a coincident that after 32 days approximately all Ni and Li were transmuted to Ni62 and Li6. I would have guessed that running out of the original isotopes would create a reduced performance which would be the reason for shutdown. Why has this not been mentioned? Although none of the tests show it, I still believe that the ECAT will run, as advertised, for at least 6 months on one charge. The time for this test was set by the experimental team (and most likely by their host, which was paying for the power). I'm beginning to think that this transmutation was a burn-in secondary effect, particularly for the Lithium, which was there only to provide the hydrogen. If you ignore the bump when they changed the input power levels (files 4 to 6) the COP increased almost linearly over the whole test. So maybe the long term COP depends on these transmutations -- ie the availability of (most likely) Ni62, and coincidentally Li6 -- and would have stabilized just a few days later when the transmutation was complete. I wonder if Rossi knew this would happen. However, he usually runs his Ecats at higher power, so the burn-in might be much quicker -- and he's never analyzed the ash that early. He's also hinted that the 1MW baby at the customer has also needed constant attention and adjustment (including being called out in the middle of the night). Maybe it too is undergoing a settling-in period --- it's also been running for less than a month. But we won't get those results for at least a year, and they will be purely internal documents. In short, I think it IS coincidental that the Ni and Li transmutation was nearly complete at the end of the run, but that some other reaction continues beyond that point. And even if the 1g charge DID have to be replaced monthly it would probably still be economical.
Re: [Vo]:[Rossi TR#2] Reactor close down : all Li and Ni converted. Coincidentally?
Perhaps anyone that takes proper precautions associated with the use of micro sized particles can perform the task. The lack of needing controlled atmosphere for loading is fabulous. This technology has the potential of becoming extremely wide spread. Dave -Original Message- From: Alain Sepeda alain.sep...@gmail.com To: Vortex List vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Thu, Oct 9, 2014 11:13 am Subject: Re: [Vo]:[Rossi TR#2] Reactor close down : all Li and Ni converted. Coincidentally? the powder change seems quite simple... no complex procedure... surprising. 2014-10-09 15:53 GMT+02:00 Alan Fletcher a...@well.com: At 04:23 AM 10/9/2014, Teslaalset wrote: I find it quite a coincident that after 32 days approximately all Ni and Li were transmuted to Ni62 and Li6. I would have guessed that running out of the original isotopes would create a reduced performance which would be the reason for shutdown. Why has this not been mentioned? Although none of the tests show it, I still believe that the ECAT will run, as advertised, for at least 6 months on one charge. The time for this test was set by the experimental team (and most likely by their host, which was paying for the power). I'm beginning to think that this transmutation was a burn-in secondary effect, particularly for the Lithium, which was there only to provide the hydrogen. If you ignore the bump when they changed the input power levels (files 4 to 6) the COP increased almost linearly over the whole test. So maybe the long term COP depends on these transmutations -- ie the availability of (most likely) Ni62, and coincidentally Li6 -- and would have stabilized just a few days later when the transmutation was complete. I wonder if Rossi knew this would happen. However, he usually runs his Ecats at higher power, so the burn-in might be much quicker -- and he's never analyzed the ash that early. He's also hinted that the 1MW baby at the customer has also needed constant attention and adjustment (including being called out in the middle of the night). Maybe it too is undergoing a settling-in period --- it's also been running for less than a month. But we won't get those results for at least a year, and they will be purely internal documents. In short, I think it IS coincidental that the Ni and Li transmutation was nearly complete at the end of the run, but that some other reaction continues beyond that point. And even if the 1g charge DID have to be replaced monthly it would probably still be economical.
Re: [Vo]:[Rossi TR#2] Reactor close down : all Li and Ni converted. Coincidentally?
At 04:23 AM 10/9/2014, Teslaalset wrote: I find it quite a coincident that after 32 days approximately all Ni and Li were transmuted to Ni62 and Li6. I would have guessed that running out of the original isotopes would create a reduced performance which would be the reason for shutdown. Why has this not been mentioned? There are so many transmutation threads going on that I'm not sure if this was posted : Rodney Nicholson October 8th, 2014 at 5:05 PM 2) It seems that in the ITP test the content of 58Ni was reduced almost to zero after one month of operation. That leads to a conclusion that maybe some route of conversion of 58Ni to 62Ni may be a significant source of the energy relaeased. But if the E-cat can function for as much as six times longer than the 32 days of the ITP test, then that cannot be right because there would not be any 58Ni available for the next five months. AR: 2- the charge had been made for a 35 days test. This is the test duration agreed upon when the experiment has been started So Rossi knew it would be exhausted, there isn't another reaction, and it's NOT a coincidence.
Re: [Vo]:[Rossi TR#2] Reactor close down : all Li and Ni converted. Coincidentally?
On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 11:30 AM, Alan Fletcher a...@well.com wrote: There are so many transmutation threads going on that I'm not sure if this was posted : Rodney Nicholson October 8th, 2014 at 5:05 PM 2) It seems that in the ITP test the content of 58Ni was reduced almost to zero after one month of operation. That leads to a conclusion that maybe some route of conversion of 58Ni to 62Ni may be a significant source of the energy relaeased. But if the E-cat can function for as much as six times longer than the 32 days of the ITP test, then that cannot be right because there would not be any 58Ni available for the next five months. AR: 2- the charge had been made for a 35 days test. This is the test duration agreed upon when the experiment has been started So Rossi knew it would be exhausted, there isn't another reaction, and it's NOT a coincidence. And this was not mentioned in the report? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cQ-t4DhAfrs harry
Re: [Vo]:[Rossi TR#2] Reactor close down : all Li and Ni converted. Coincidentally?
First off let me get this out of the way, I am not a physicists so this is probably completely impossible, but I'll throw it out here anyway. What if the conversion of Ni 58 and Li 7 happen relatively quickly so that very soon after the reaction is commenced there is almost a complete conversion of Ni 58 to Ni 62 and an almost complete conversion of Li 7 to Li 6 and what sustains the reaction from that point on is primarily a cyclic reaction between Ni 62 and Li 6. Just throwing this out there. Go ahead and start telling me that this couldn't happen, I know it's a crazy idea. Robert Dorr On 10/9/2014 8:12 AM, Alain Sepeda wrote: the powder change seems quite simple... no complex procedure... surprising. 2014-10-09 15:53 GMT+02:00 Alan Fletcher a...@well.com mailto:a...@well.com: At 04:23 AM 10/9/2014, Teslaalset wrote: I find it quite a coincident that after 32 days approximately all Ni and Li were transmuted to Ni62 and Li6. I would have guessed that running out of the original isotopes would create a reduced performance which would be the reason for shutdown. Why has this not been mentioned? Although none of the tests show it, I still believe that the ECAT will run, as advertised, for at least 6 months on one charge. The time for this test was set by the experimental team (and most likely by their host, which was paying for the power). I'm beginning to think that this transmutation was a burn-in secondary effect, particularly for the Lithium, which was there only to provide the hydrogen. If you ignore the bump when they changed the input power levels (files 4 to 6) the COP increased almost linearly over the whole test. So maybe the long term COP depends on these transmutations -- ie the availability of (most likely) Ni62, and coincidentally Li6 -- and would have stabilized just a few days later when the transmutation was complete. I wonder if Rossi knew this would happen. However, he usually runs his Ecats at higher power, so the burn-in might be much quicker -- and he's never analyzed the ash that early. He's also hinted that the 1MW baby at the customer has also needed constant attention and adjustment (including being called out in the middle of the night). Maybe it too is undergoing a settling-in period --- it's also been running for less than a month. But we won't get those results for at least a year, and they will be purely internal documents. In short, I think it IS coincidental that the Ni and Li transmutation was nearly complete at the end of the run, but that some other reaction continues beyond that point. And even if the 1g charge DID have to be replaced monthly it would probably still be economical. No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com http://www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4765 / Virus Database: 4040/8355 - Release Date: 10/09/14
RE: [Vo]:[Rossi TR#2] Reactor close down : all Li and Ni converted. Coincidentally?
I don’t consider this a crazy idea at all. In fact, there is my nearly-identical conclusion from yesterday: http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l%40eskimo.com/msg98021.html -Bob From: Robert Dorr [mailto:rod...@comcast.net] Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2014 10:31 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:[Rossi TR#2] Reactor close down : all Li and Ni converted. Coincidentally? First off let me get this out of the way, I am not a physicists so this is probably completely impossible, but I'll throw it out here anyway. What if the conversion of Ni 58 and Li 7 happen relatively quickly so that very soon after the reaction is commenced there is almost a complete conversion of Ni 58 to Ni 62 and an almost complete conversion of Li 7 to Li 6 and what sustains the reaction from that point on is primarily a cyclic reaction between Ni 62 and Li 6. Just throwing this out there. Go ahead and start telling me that this couldn't happen, I know it's a crazy idea. Robert Dorr On 10/9/2014 8:12 AM, Alain Sepeda wrote: the powder change seems quite simple... no complex procedure... surprising. 2014-10-09 15:53 GMT+02:00 Alan Fletcher a...@well.com mailto:a...@well.com : At 04:23 AM 10/9/2014, Teslaalset wrote: I find it quite a coincident that after 32 days approximately all Ni and Li were transmuted to Ni62 and Li6. I would have guessed that running out of the original isotopes would create a reduced performance which would be the reason for shutdown. Why has this not been mentioned? Although none of the tests show it, I still believe that the ECAT will run, as advertised, for at least 6 months on one charge. The time for this test was set by the experimental team (and most likely by their host, which was paying for the power). I'm beginning to think that this transmutation was a burn-in secondary effect, particularly for the Lithium, which was there only to provide the hydrogen. If you ignore the bump when they changed the input power levels (files 4 to 6) the COP increased almost linearly over the whole test. So maybe the long term COP depends on these transmutations -- ie the availability of (most likely) Ni62, and coincidentally Li6 -- and would have stabilized just a few days later when the transmutation was complete. I wonder if Rossi knew this would happen. However, he usually runs his Ecats at higher power, so the burn-in might be much quicker -- and he's never analyzed the ash that early. He's also hinted that the 1MW baby at the customer has also needed constant attention and adjustment (including being called out in the middle of the night). Maybe it too is undergoing a settling-in period --- it's also been running for less than a month. But we won't get those results for at least a year, and they will be purely internal documents. In short, I think it IS coincidental that the Ni and Li transmutation was nearly complete at the end of the run, but that some other reaction continues beyond that point. And even if the 1g charge DID have to be replaced monthly it would probably still be economical. No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com http://www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4765 / Virus Database: 4040/8355 - Release Date: 10/09/14
Re: [Vo]:[Rossi TR#2] Reactor close down : all Li and Ni converted. Coincidentally?
To disprove it you must be more specific. Watt is the reactions between Ni 62 and Li 6? I am not a physicists to but have already proposed this cyclic reactions. And it may be easy to disprove. At the start up D is formed from p threw Storms process PePD And then D reacts with Ni in a Oppenheimer-Phillips process. The new protons then recycle back to D. But it says nothing about Li. On Thu, 09 Oct 2014 10:31:07 -0700, Robert Dorr wrote: First off let me get this out of the way, I am not a physicists so this is probably completely impossible, but I'll throw it out here anyway. What if the conversion of Ni 58 and Li 7 happen relatively quickly so that very soon after the reaction is commenced there is almost a complete conversion of Ni 58 to Ni 62 and an almost complete conversion of Li 7 to Li 6 and what sustains the reaction from that point on is primarily a cyclic reaction between Ni 62 and Li 6. Just throwing this out there. Go ahead and start telling me that this couldn't happen, I know it's a crazy idea. Robert Dorr On 10/9/2014 8:12 AM, Alain Sepeda wrote: the powder change seems quite simple... no complex procedure... surprising. 2014-10-09 15:53 GMT+02:00 Alan Fletcher : At 04:23 AM 10/9/2014, Teslaalset wrote: I find it quite a coincident that after 32 days approximately all Ni and Li were transmuted to Ni62 and Li6. I would have guessed that running out of the original isotopes would create a reduced performance which would be the reason for shutdown. Why has this not been mentioned? Although none of the tests show it, I still believe that the ECAT will run, as advertised, for at least 6 months on one charge. The time for this test was set by the experimental team (and most likely by their host, which was paying for the power). I'm beginning to think that this transmutation was a burn-in secondary effect, particularly for the Lithium, which was there only to provide the hydrogen. If you ignore the bump when they changed the input power levels (files 4 to 6) the COP increased almost linearly over the whole test. So maybe the long term COP depends on these transmutations -- ie the availability of (most likely) Ni62, and coincidentally Li6 -- and would have stabilized just a few days later when the transmutation was complete. I wonder if Rossi knew this would happen. However, he usually runs his Ecats at higher power, so the burn-in might be much quicker -- and he's never analyzed the ash that early. He's also hinted that the 1MW baby at the customer has also needed constant attention and adjustment (including being called out in the middle of the night). Maybe it too is undergoing a settling-in period --- it's also been running for less than a month. But we won't get those results for at least a year, and they will be purely internal documents. In short, I think it IS coincidental that the Ni and Li transmutation was nearly complete at the end of the run, but that some other reaction continues beyond that point. And even if the 1g charge DID have to be replaced monthly it would probably still be economical. No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com [2] Version: 2014.0.4765 / Virus Database: 4040/8355 - Release Date: 10/09/14 Links: -- [1] mailto:a...@well.com [2] http://www.avg.com
