Re: [Vo]:2012 and Nebran Planet X
I am an open minded guy, I mean I'll look at something a bit skeptically but will quickly accept wherever the weight of evidence leaves. All of these oh no ...'s gonna get is are really without any good evidence. How so many people believe this crap is beyond me, it seems that to believe it you must want to believe it because evidence wise there is nada. It is amazing how lacking in vision, how given to resignation people are. One very great truth is that with inspiration, organization and some effort and thought almost anything can be done or turned around. On Sun, Jul 5, 2009 at 8:55 AM, Edmund Storms stor...@ix.netcom.com wrote: How does anyone know that the obit of Nebran Planet X lasts for 3600 years except by relating it to the events that are assumed to be caused by the planet? In other words, this looks like circular reasoning, which gives no evidence at all. Ed On Jul 4, 2009, at 5:38 AM, Taylor J. Smith wrote: Hi All, 7-4-09 I'm enclosing some snippets on 2012 which you may find interesting. Jack Smith Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2007 thomas malloy wrote: ``Vortexians; Those of you who have been on the list for a while know that I have a fascination with the apocalypse, and a gallows sense of humor. The author of this website was interviewed this morning on C to C AM, no matter what you think about his theories, you will, IMHO, appreciate the art that went into the introductory page. http://www.apocalypse2012.com . Momma mia, that's a spicy webpage! I'm reminded of a Tesla Society conference around 1992 where someone mentioned the wall in 2012, and remote viewing. That was before I heard about Hal Puthoff's role in the development of remote viewing, 2012 seemed a long way off at the time.'' -- http://www.enterprisemission.com/_articles/05-22-2004/Bell-InterviewPartOne.htm Hoagland Wilcock on Coast to Coast 5-15/16-04 [AB is Art Bell] ``AB: From the high desert in the great American southwest, I bid you all good evening, good morning, good afternoon -- as the time zone may dictate -- all of them covered like a blanket by this program, Coast to Coast AM. I'm Art Bell. It's the weekend, and I am honored to be with you on a Saturday night going into Sunday morning, and of course tomorrow night as well. I have some shocking and tragic news for you at the top of the program and I'm sure Richard's gonna have a lot to say about this and will probably fill me in on details I don't yet have. But what it boils down to is that Dr Eugene Mallove is dead. And it is indeed with great sadness that we report the passing of Gene Mallove who died, no, correction, was killed, on May 14th apparently due to some sort of -- we don't know about this -- allegedly, some are saying 'some kind of property dispute'. It is considered by the police to be a homicide and an investigation is under way now ... AB: I know this has great meaning for Richard, but I? RH: Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. We're not getting to the good stuff yet. If you look at that line -- where it is in the sky -- and you extend that line (like a celestial Meridian) out into space -- so it goes through, you know, where Sirius is in the sky, if you track twelve degrees to the East -- one degree per year (which is how Sirius will move, in relation to the Earth, and in relation to the Galactic Center) -- when that alignment occurs at midnight at 2012 -- that will be the Winter Solstice, and 'D-Day' will have arrived! In other words, that [planned Giza 2000] Ceremony marked the beginning of a 12-year [countdown] 'clock!' DW: Right -- I got it! RH: The final countdown to 'something' -- happening in 2012 -- by these guys, led by Zahi, who know 'something' -- that they are not wanting the rest of us to figure out! ...'' - Commentator 1 wrote: ``From my March 20, 2008 email: The Sunday before last, a similar browsing trip to Border's brought Mar/Apr [2009] SCIENCE Illustrated to my attention for The Volcano that Lied: How Santorini Is Changing History 3,600 Year After It Blew, pp. 46-53. The article describes how the new date for the Minoan eruption of Thera was determined and is shown by the Greenland ice cores to be 1642 BC and by radiocarbon dating, 1627-1600 BC, while not mentioning the tree-ring date of 1627 BC. The radiocarbon date was obtained by high-precision dating of an olive branch that was trapped in the tephra from the eruption. Forgive any year or two discrepancies, as with the Greenland ice core date for eruption of Thera. The point is that the tree ring climate signal for Thera is dated 1628 BCE, based on the frost damage at that time, while the acidity signal for the eruption in Greenland is 1642 BCE (originally reported to be 1645 BCE in 1987). The C-14 date for the eruption based on an olive branch trapped in the tephra is closer to the tree ring date than the ice
Re: [Vo]:2012 and Nebran Planet X
From Ed Storms: How does anyone know that the obit of Nebran Planet X lasts for 3600 years except by relating it to the events that are assumed to be caused by the planet? In other words, this looks like circular reasoning, which gives no evidence at all. Ed For more info on Nebran (aka: Nibiru) Planet X check out the Camelot Project at: http://projectcamelot.org/index.html Video interviews at: http://projectcamelot.org/interviews.html The video section contains an impressive collection of exclusive interviews pertaining to some of the most well-known (and not so well-know) figures in the UFO community. Here you will find a treasure chest of exquisitely developed circular reasoning concerning the subjects of planet X, what's to come by the year 2012, and other related world calamities. Oh, yes, and don't forget the dire warnings pertaining to the fact that our solar system is about to pass through the equivalent of the galactic equator, and that this momentous transition will cause all sorts of dire geological upheavals. After viewing more than 20 hours of video interviews I noticed that most of the dire conclusions sounded familiar to me. And then it hit me: Most of the latest predictions appear to be a direct rerun of the grand Harmonic Convergence brouhaha, which produced quite a tizzy among some of the more zealous sectors of the New Age community back in the 1980s and 90s. This highly recommended website was brought to my attention by Mr. Malloy, whom I hope has not been permanently banned from the Vort Collective. Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
[Vo]:2012 and Nebran Planet X
Hi All, 7-4-09 I'm enclosing some snippets on 2012 which you may find interesting. Jack Smith Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2007 thomas malloy wrote: ``Vortexians; Those of you who have been on the list for a while know that I have a fascination with the apocalypse, and a gallows sense of humor. The author of this website was interviewed this morning on C to C AM, no matter what you think about his theories, you will, IMHO, appreciate the art that went into the introductory page. http://www.apocalypse2012.com . Momma mia, that's a spicy webpage! I'm reminded of a Tesla Society conference around 1992 where someone mentioned the wall in 2012, and remote viewing. That was before I heard about Hal Puthoff's role in the development of remote viewing, 2012 seemed a long way off at the time.'' -- http://www.enterprisemission.com/_articles/05-22-2004/Bell-InterviewPartOne.htm Hoagland Wilcock on Coast to Coast 5-15/16-04 [AB is Art Bell] ``AB: From the high desert in the great American southwest, I bid you all good evening, good morning, good afternoon -- as the time zone may dictate -- all of them covered like a blanket by this program, Coast to Coast AM. I'm Art Bell. It's the weekend, and I am honored to be with you on a Saturday night going into Sunday morning, and of course tomorrow night as well. I have some shocking and tragic news for you at the top of the program and I'm sure Richard's gonna have a lot to say about this and will probably fill me in on details I don't yet have. But what it boils down to is that Dr Eugene Mallove is dead. And it is indeed with great sadness that we report the passing of Gene Mallove who died, no, correction, was killed, on May 14th apparently due to some sort of -- we don't know about this -- allegedly, some are saying 'some kind of property dispute'. It is considered by the police to be a homicide and an investigation is under way now ... AB: I know this has great meaning for Richard, but I? RH: Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. We're not getting to the good stuff yet. If you look at that line -- where it is in the sky -- and you extend that line (like a celestial Meridian) out into space -- so it goes through, you know, where Sirius is in the sky, if you track twelve degrees to the East -- one degree per year (which is how Sirius will move, in relation to the Earth, and in relation to the Galactic Center) -- when that alignment occurs at midnight at 2012 -- that will be the Winter Solstice, and 'D-Day' will have arrived! In other words, that [planned Giza 2000] Ceremony marked the beginning of a 12-year [countdown] 'clock!' DW: Right -- I got it! RH: The final countdown to 'something' -- happening in 2012 -- by these guys, led by Zahi, who know 'something' -- that they are not wanting the rest of us to figure out! ...'' - Commentator 1 wrote: ``From my March 20, 2008 email: The Sunday before last, a similar browsing trip to Border's brought Mar/Apr [2009] SCIENCE Illustrated to my attention for The Volcano that Lied: How Santorini Is Changing History 3,600 Year After It Blew, pp. 46-53. The article describes how the new date for the Minoan eruption of Thera was determined and is shown by the Greenland ice cores to be 1642 BC and by radiocarbon dating, 1627-1600 BC, while not mentioning the tree-ring date of 1627 BC. The radiocarbon date was obtained by high-precision dating of an olive branch that was trapped in the tephra from the eruption. Forgive any year or two discrepancies, as with the Greenland ice core date for eruption of Thera. The point is that the tree ring climate signal for Thera is dated 1628 BCE, based on the frost damage at that time, while the acidity signal for the eruption in Greenland is 1642 BCE (originally reported to be 1645 BCE in 1987). The C-14 date for the eruption based on an olive branch trapped in the tephra is closer to the tree ring date than the ice core date. Mike Baillie has published on this discrepancy, but I am not aware of the latest news on this score.'' Commentator 2 wrote on 7-1-09: Why is the date 1628 BCE important? I can remember that long ago I adhered to that date. Now I think that it is 1588 BCE. After all, there are not (geologically speaking) all that many years between 1645 BCE (which I never heard of before) and 1588 BCE. What difference would a few years, even half a century, make here? Please explain. Thanks. I'll appreciate it. Commentator 1 wrote: ... annual-looking layers based on the dating of ancient volcanic eruptions. For example, the tree ring date for the Minoan eruption of Thera is 1628 B.C.E. Commentator 2 wrote: Thanks for explaining that. I have included your comments for my Planet X list-members. Now I know why certain people were focused on the date of 1628 BCE, back 30-odd years ago. That was a Thera/Santornini guesstimate. As we know, in Worlds In Collision Dr. Velikovsky equated the time of the Israelite Exodus with
Re: [Vo]:2012 and Nebran Planet X
How does anyone know that the obit of Nebran Planet X lasts for 3600 years except by relating it to the events that are assumed to be caused by the planet? In other words, this looks like circular reasoning, which gives no evidence at all. Ed On Jul 4, 2009, at 5:38 AM, Taylor J. Smith wrote: Hi All, 7-4-09 I'm enclosing some snippets on 2012 which you may find interesting. Jack Smith Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2007 thomas malloy wrote: ``Vortexians; Those of you who have been on the list for a while know that I have a fascination with the apocalypse, and a gallows sense of humor. The author of this website was interviewed this morning on C to C AM, no matter what you think about his theories, you will, IMHO, appreciate the art that went into the introductory page. http://www.apocalypse2012.com . Momma mia, that's a spicy webpage! I'm reminded of a Tesla Society conference around 1992 where someone mentioned the wall in 2012, and remote viewing. That was before I heard about Hal Puthoff's role in the development of remote viewing, 2012 seemed a long way off at the time.'' -- http://www.enterprisemission.com/_articles/05-22-2004/Bell-InterviewPartOne.htm Hoagland Wilcock on Coast to Coast 5-15/16-04 [AB is Art Bell] ``AB: From the high desert in the great American southwest, I bid you all good evening, good morning, good afternoon -- as the time zone may dictate -- all of them covered like a blanket by this program, Coast to Coast AM. I'm Art Bell. It's the weekend, and I am honored to be with you on a Saturday night going into Sunday morning, and of course tomorrow night as well. I have some shocking and tragic news for you at the top of the program and I'm sure Richard's gonna have a lot to say about this and will probably fill me in on details I don't yet have. But what it boils down to is that Dr Eugene Mallove is dead. And it is indeed with great sadness that we report the passing of Gene Mallove who died, no, correction, was killed, on May 14th apparently due to some sort of -- we don't know about this -- allegedly, some are saying 'some kind of property dispute'. It is considered by the police to be a homicide and an investigation is under way now ... AB: I know this has great meaning for Richard, but I? RH: Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. We're not getting to the good stuff yet. If you look at that line -- where it is in the sky -- and you extend that line (like a celestial Meridian) out into space -- so it goes through, you know, where Sirius is in the sky, if you track twelve degrees to the East -- one degree per year (which is how Sirius will move, in relation to the Earth, and in relation to the Galactic Center) -- when that alignment occurs at midnight at 2012 -- that will be the Winter Solstice, and 'D-Day' will have arrived! In other words, that [planned Giza 2000] Ceremony marked the beginning of a 12-year [countdown] 'clock!' DW: Right -- I got it! RH: The final countdown to 'something' -- happening in 2012 -- by these guys, led by Zahi, who know 'something' -- that they are not wanting the rest of us to figure out! ...'' - Commentator 1 wrote: ``From my March 20, 2008 email: The Sunday before last, a similar browsing trip to Border's brought Mar/Apr [2009] SCIENCE Illustrated to my attention for The Volcano that Lied: How Santorini Is Changing History 3,600 Year After It Blew, pp. 46-53. The article describes how the new date for the Minoan eruption of Thera was determined and is shown by the Greenland ice cores to be 1642 BC and by radiocarbon dating, 1627-1600 BC, while not mentioning the tree-ring date of 1627 BC. The radiocarbon date was obtained by high-precision dating of an olive branch that was trapped in the tephra from the eruption. Forgive any year or two discrepancies, as with the Greenland ice core date for eruption of Thera. The point is that the tree ring climate signal for Thera is dated 1628 BCE, based on the frost damage at that time, while the acidity signal for the eruption in Greenland is 1642 BCE (originally reported to be 1645 BCE in 1987). The C-14 date for the eruption based on an olive branch trapped in the tephra is closer to the tree ring date than the ice core date. Mike Baillie has published on this discrepancy, but I am not aware of the latest news on this score.'' Commentator 2 wrote on 7-1-09: Why is the date 1628 BCE important? I can remember that long ago I adhered to that date. Now I think that it is 1588 BCE. After all, there are not (geologically speaking) all that many years between 1645 BCE (which I never heard of before) and 1588 BCE. What difference would a few years, even half a century, make here? Please explain. Thanks. I'll appreciate it. Commentator 1 wrote: ... annual-looking layers based on the dating of ancient volcanic eruptions. For example, the tree ring date for the Minoan eruption of Thera is 1628 B.C.E. Commentator 2 wrote: Thanks for
