[Vo]:A new article mostly about Defkalion in Greek
Original URL: http://www.tovima.gr/science/article/?aid=430840 Somewhat garbled Google translate: *http://tinyurl.com/6mszlt4*http://tinyurl.com/6mszlt4 So they claim they paid Rossi $15 million if I understand it right. If it's true, he should have been able to fund U of B research for some time and he did not need to sell his house. It's a big if, of course.
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It says they had $15 million ready but Rossi did not complete the contract. That means they never paid Rossi the money and now they seem to be claiming the technology is all theirs. - *So the rift between you was not due only to non-payment of first installment repayment, said Mr. Rossi?* /Not sure./ /We had finished the 15 million dollars of first dose, but Mr. Rossi did not sign the protocol of receipt, asking him to meet parameters such as the stable operation of the device for at least 48 hours./ /This was the real cause of the interruption of cooperation, but not celebrated in the media because they want to continue a deleterious confrontation./ /Us us interested in real progress, and this success./ /The technology will present a few days the world will be entirely Greek and appreciate its contribution to the overthrow of what exists in the energy market. / AG On 11/21/2011 3:22 AM, Mary Yugo wrote: Original URL: http://www.tovima.gr/science/article/?aid=430840 Somewhat garbled Google translate: *http://tinyurl.com/6mszlt4* So they claim they paid Rossi $15 million if I understand it right. If it's true, he should have been able to fund U of B research for some time and he did not need to sell his house. It's a big if, of course.
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On Sun, Nov 20, 2011 at 11:52 AM, Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com wrote: Original URL: http://www.tovima.gr/science/article/?aid=430840 Somewhat garbled Google translate: http://tinyurl.com/6mszlt4 Did you see the test chamber at the end of the article? T
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There is also the part about the escrow account. 2011/11/20 Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com Original URL: http://www.tovima.gr/science/article/?aid=430840 Somewhat garbled Google translate: *http://tinyurl.com/6mszlt4*http://tinyurl.com/6mszlt4 So they claim they paid Rossi $15 million if I understand it right. If it's true, he should have been able to fund U of B research for some time and he did not need to sell his house. It's a big if, of course.
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Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: Did you see the test chamber at the end of the article? That looks like one of Piantelli's experiments. Not sure, but I think that's what it is. - Jed
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On Sun, Nov 20, 2011 at 9:26 AM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Nov 20, 2011 at 11:52 AM, Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com wrote: Original URL: http://www.tovima.gr/science/article/?aid=430840 Somewhat garbled Google translate: http://tinyurl.com/6mszlt4 Did you see the test chamber at the end of the article? Yes! It's really cool and I want one. However they don't say what it is or does. Could it be from an entirely unrelated project or source? Maybe someone will recognize it?
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They are technologically skilled, good engineers and have refused to pay for an immature and unsafe product. Excess heat is only a necessary, but not a sufficient condition for an Energy Source. Rossi's E-cat has worked (was functional) but did not worked well. Defkalion, it seems, has defined the problem and has worked out their own solution. If other customers accept to buy immature products- it is their decision and has some logic in it. And risks too. Peter On Sun, Nov 20, 2011 at 7:15 PM, Aussie Guy E-Cat aussieguy.e...@gmail.comwrote: It says they had $15 million ready but Rossi did not complete the contract. That means they never paid Rossi the money and now they seem to be claiming the technology is all theirs. - *So the rift between you was not due only to non-payment of first installment repayment, said Mr. Rossi?* /Not sure./ /We had finished the 15 million dollars of first dose, but Mr. Rossi did not sign the protocol of receipt, asking him to meet parameters such as the stable operation of the device for at least 48 hours./ /This was the real cause of the interruption of cooperation, but not celebrated in the media because they want to continue a deleterious confrontation./ /Us us interested in real progress, and this success./ /The technology will present a few days the world will be entirely Greek and appreciate its contribution to the overthrow of what exists in the energy market. / AG On 11/21/2011 3:22 AM, Mary Yugo wrote: Original URL: http://www.tovima.gr/science/**article/?aid=430840http://www.tovima.gr/science/article/?aid=430840 Somewhat garbled Google translate: *http://tinyurl.com/6mszlt4* So they claim they paid Rossi $15 million if I understand it right. If it's true, he should have been able to fund U of B research for some time and he did not need to sell his house. It's a big if, of course. -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com
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On 2011-11-20 18:30, Jed Rothwell wrote: That looks like one of Piantelli's experiments. Not sure, but I think that's what it is. I think that is a photograph of the very expensive equipment Piantelli uses to make his nickel powder. I remember seeing that somewhere else. Cheers, S.A.
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Peter Gluck peter.gl...@gmail.com wrote: They are technologically skilled, good engineers and have refused to pay for an immature and unsafe product. Who are they? Who refused to pay, for what? I don't see that in the article. This translation is remarkably good, for a machine. A little hard to follow in places. - Jed
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On Sun, Nov 20, 2011 at 9:34 AM, Akira Shirakawa shirakawa.ak...@gmail.comwrote: On 2011-11-20 18:30, Jed Rothwell wrote: That looks like one of Piantelli's experiments. Not sure, but I think that's what it is. I think that is a photograph of the very expensive equipment Piantelli uses to make his nickel powder. I remember seeing that somewhere else. So it's inappropriate for Defkalion (or the magazine article writers) to make use of it without attribution. It's also inappropriate to suggest it has something to do with what Defkalion made unless they provide evidence that it's something they used. It looks like puffery. And of the two other images, one looks like a CAD drawing and the other appears to have been photoshopped. Not encouraging.
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Akira Shirakawa shirakawa.ak...@gmail.com wrote: I think that is a photograph of the very expensive equipment Piantelli uses to make his nickel powder. I remember seeing that somewhere else. Powder, or bulk Pd? I have some similar photos from Piantelli taken many years ago. This is the kind of professional grade equipment he uses. It is paid for by an automobile company RD department. I do not recall which one. - Jed
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The test chamber is indeed very similar to Piantelli's high vacuum installation of Molecular Beam Epitaxy (see my 3rd paper abou Piantelli in my Blog). The Greek installation is: The engine configuration of the grains of Nickel in vacuum i.e. has the same function- manufacture of Ni nanoclusters. Translation a bit surrrealistic but it is clearly the installation for manufacture of the fuel. Or one of them. Peter On Sun, Nov 20, 2011 at 7:30 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: Did you see the test chamber at the end of the article? That looks like one of Piantelli's experiments. Not sure, but I think that's what it is. - Jed -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com
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Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com wrote: So it's inappropriate for Defkalion (or the magazine article writers) to make use of it without attribution. I expect a copy editor misplaced the caption. You should not make accusations of nefarious behavior every time a magazine makes a minor error. It's also inappropriate to suggest it has something to do with what Defkalion made unless they provide evidence that it's something they used. It looks like puffery. And of the two other images . . . It is not puffery, whatever that is. It is lab equipment. The average reader would not know what it is, or whether it is expensive equipment or bathroom plumbing. Regarding Italian bathroom plumbing, see the movie Bread and Tulips. A sweet comedy including an Italian plumbing equipment supplier who really wants to be a private eye. - Jed
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On 2011-11-20 18:44, Peter Gluck wrote: The test chamber is indeed very similar to Piantelli's high vacuum installation of Molecular Beam Epitaxy (see my 3rd paper abou Piantelli in my Blog). It looks like the very same one to me: http://newenergytimes.com/v2/news/2008/29img/PiantelliKnudsenMachineW.jpg From http://newenergytimes.com/v2/news/2008/NET29-8dd54geg.shtml Also look here: http://www.consulente-energia.com/fusione-fredda-nichenergy-srl-siena-piantelli-azionariato-diffuso-roy-virgilio.html Same photo. Cheers, S.A.
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On Sun, Nov 20, 2011 at 7:36 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Peter Gluck peter.gl...@gmail.com wrote: They are technologically skilled, good engineers and have refused to pay for an immature and unsafe product. Who are they? Who refused to pay, for what? I don't see that in the article. This translation is remarkably good, for a machine. A little hard to follow in places. - Jed Jed, it seems there was a point in the contract, that the E-cat should work continuously for at least 48 hours- and it didn't. The heating of n office with an E-cat for 2 years is fairy tales for adults. -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com
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On Sun, Nov 20, 2011 at 9:51 AM, Akira Shirakawa shirakawa.ak...@gmail.comwrote: It looks like the very same one to me ... Same photo. Thanks! That issue is resolved! So what does it have to do with Defkalion other than to puff up the publication's piece? Anyone know?
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The article mentions Piantelli's new patent. I would assume that the author ran across the photo during that aspect of research, and failed to properly attribute it to Piantelli's nickel production. Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2011 10:08:08 -0800 Subject: Re: [Vo]:A new article mostly about Defkalion in Greek From: maryyu...@gmail.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com On Sun, Nov 20, 2011 at 9:51 AM, Akira Shirakawa shirakawa.ak...@gmail.com wrote: It looks like the very same one to me ... Same photo. Thanks! That issue is resolved! So what does it have to do with Defkalion other than to puff up the publication's piece? Anyone know?
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On Sun, Nov 20, 2011 at 1:08 PM, Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Nov 20, 2011 at 9:51 AM, Akira Shirakawa shirakawa.ak...@gmail.com wrote: It looks like the very same one to me ... Same photo. Thanks! That issue is resolved! So what does it have to do with Defkalion other than to puff up the publication's piece? Anyone know? Consider the possibility that, having failed in the deal with Rossi, Defkalion made a deal with Piantelli. Just sayin'. T
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On 2011-11-20 19:15, Terry Blanton wrote: Consider the possibility that, having failed in the deal with Rossi, Defkalion made a deal with Piantelli. Interesting speculation. We might know if it's really the case in about two weeks of time (Defkalion GT announcement). It would be a tragicomic turn of events for Rossi if it is. Cheers, S.A.
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On Sun, Nov 20, 2011 at 10:24 AM, Akira Shirakawa shirakawa.ak...@gmail.com wrote: We might know if it's really the case in about two weeks of time (Defkalion GT announcement). Anyone know when the countdown to this event started? Just curious when to look for it.
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On Sun, Nov 20, 2011 at 1:24 PM, Akira Shirakawa shirakawa.ak...@gmail.com wrote: On 2011-11-20 19:15, Terry Blanton wrote: Consider the possibility that, having failed in the deal with Rossi, Defkalion made a deal with Piantelli. Interesting speculation. We might know if it's really the case in about two weeks of time (Defkalion GT announcement). It would be a tragicomic turn of events for Rossi if it is. If you check the name of the image in the article, it is: Piantelli-engine[1].jpg So, they know what they are showing. Rossi is going to be sooo pissed off! T
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Funny that they use the term The Three Musketeers of Cold Fusion in the caption of the first picture. That is what I called Jed Rothwell, Eugene Mallove and Chris Tinsley back in the day. T
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November 14, take a look to the Defkalion Forum. http://www.defkalion-energy.com/files/DGT_PRESS%20RELEASE_2011-11-14.pdf On Sun, Nov 20, 2011 at 8:26 PM, Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Nov 20, 2011 at 10:24 AM, Akira Shirakawa shirakawa.ak...@gmail.com wrote: We might know if it's really the case in about two weeks of time (Defkalion GT announcement). Anyone know when the countdown to this event started? Just curious when to look for it. -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com
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Peter Gluck peter.gl...@gmail.com wrote: Jed, it seems there was a point in the contract, that the E-cat should work continuously for at least 48 hours- and it didn't. Ah. You refer to the Sept. 6 test done by Quantum engineers and NASA, but which fails due to leakage. Yes, Rossi's prototype equipment often fails because of leakage or some unknown problem. Defkalion says their reactors are more reliable. The heating of n office with an E-cat for 2 years is fairy tales for adults. Except that someone recently mailed me photos of the damn thing, with people I know standing around it, and test data. Plus Focardi and others say they saw it running several times. So it is not a fairly tale. Every indication is that it is true. As I said, I have never caught Rossi telling a lie about any engineering technical claim. No skeptic has caught him, either, as far as I know. All of their examples of lies are their own misunderstandings. He says things about theory and transmutation that may not be true, but I would not call those statements lies. I think he does not know much about theory. Since I know nothing, I cannot judge. As I mentioned, I am trying to get permission to upload those photos. It might help smooth the way for me to do that if people here would tone down these rabid accusations of fraud, made without a shred of evidence. It poisons the atmosphere. Expressing doubts is fine, but out-and-out accusations and calls by certain unnamed people to have Rossi arrested and deported are . . . unhelpful. - Jed
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On 2011-11-20 19:26, Mary Yugo wrote: Anyone know when the countdown to this event started? Just curious when to look for it. On November 14th DGT announced: We will release a complete outline of our developments within the next two weeks. http://www.defkalion-energy.com/files/DGT_PRESS%20RELEASE_2011-11-14.pdf Cheers, S.A.
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On Sun, Nov 20, 2011 at 10:29 AM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: Funny that they use the term The Three Musketeers of Cold Fusion in the caption of the first picture. Maybe because someone's nose is lengthening?
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On Sun, Nov 20, 2011 at 1:26 PM, Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com wrote: Anyone know when the countdown to this event started? Just curious when to look for it. A week from Monday. T
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We don't know what kind of ecat they wanted a proof. 2011/11/20 Peter Gluck peter.gl...@gmail.com On Sun, Nov 20, 2011 at 7:36 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.comwrote: Peter Gluck peter.gl...@gmail.com wrote: They are technologically skilled, good engineers and have refused to pay for an immature and unsafe product. Who are they? Who refused to pay, for what? I don't see that in the article. This translation is remarkably good, for a machine. A little hard to follow in places. - Jed Jed, it seems there was a point in the contract, that the E-cat should work continuously for at least 48 hours- and it didn't. The heating of n office with an E-cat for 2 years is fairy tales for adults. -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com
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Defkalion's CEO says about the 48 hours work condition in this paper. If the E-cat has heated the office for two years, then it seems later it made serious regress. You can show any photography, how could we know that the thing heats indeed? As regarding Prof Focardi who; a) tacitly accepts the role of Father of Cold Fusion; b) has told his old friend Piantelli- I cannot communicate more with you; c) says that he does know what the wonder additive called catalyst is- that translates toRossi does not trust me - I will not believe what he says about this mythical heater I have never accused Rossi of fraud, I think yes he can obtain excess heat but has not sufficient controil. But he lied a lot starting with the catalyst, nad with saying that his process has nothing to do with the fprmer Ni-H processes. The results of the experiments were improved, the methods of measurement were optimized On Sun, Nov 20, 2011 at 8:31 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Peter Gluck peter.gl...@gmail.com wrote: Jed, it seems there was a point in the contract, that the E-cat should work continuously for at least 48 hours- and it didn't. Ah. You refer to the Sept. 6 test done by Quantum engineers and NASA, but which fails due to leakage. Yes, Rossi's prototype equipment often fails because of leakage or some unknown problem. Defkalion says their reactors are more reliable. The heating of n office with an E-cat for 2 years is fairy tales for adults. Except that someone recently mailed me photos of the damn thing, with people I know standing around it, and test data. Plus Focardi and others say they saw it running several times. So it is not a fairly tale. Every indication is that it is true. As I said, I have never caught Rossi telling a lie about any engineering technical claim. No skeptic has caught him, either, as far as I know. All of their examples of lies are their own misunderstandings. He says things about theory and transmutation that may not be true, but I would not call those statements lies. I think he does not know much about theory. Since I know nothing, I cannot judge. As I mentioned, I am trying to get permission to upload those photos. It might help smooth the way for me to do that if people here would tone down these rabid accusations of fraud, made without a shred of evidence. It poisons the atmosphere. Expressing doubts is fine, but out-and-out accusations and calls by certain unnamed people to have Rossi arrested and deported are . . . unhelpful. - Jed -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com
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We don't know what kind of ecat they wanted Rossi to show. 2011/11/20 Peter Gluck peter.gl...@gmail.com Defkalion's CEO says about the 48 hours work condition in this paper. If the E-cat has heated the office for two years, then it seems later it made serious regress. You can show any photography, how could we know that the thing heats indeed? As regarding Prof Focardi who; a) tacitly accepts the role of Father of Cold Fusion; b) has told his old friend Piantelli- I cannot communicate more with you; c) says that he does know what the wonder additive called catalyst is- that translates toRossi does not trust me - I will not believe what he says about this mythical heater
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On Sun, Nov 20, 2011 at 11:19 AM, Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.comwrote: We don't know what kind of ecat they wanted Rossi to show. I'm going to guess that they wanted to see the kind that works. I will further venture that they would have settled for any table top nuclear fusion reactor that *they* could prove to themselves properly worked when properly tested... by them. That's what I think Rossi didn't want -- an independent test.
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If Rossi is lying, so is Defkalion, they are playing the same gaming now. 2011/11/20 Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com On Sun, Nov 20, 2011 at 11:19 AM, Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.comwrote: We don't know what kind of ecat they wanted Rossi to show. I'm going to guess that they wanted to see the kind that works. I will further venture that they would have settled for any table top nuclear fusion reactor that *they* could prove to themselves properly worked when properly tested... by them. That's what I think Rossi didn't want -- an independent test.
