Re: [Vo]:Any SLIders out there? I am one.

[William Beaty]

On Tue, 22 May 2012, David Jonsson wrote:


Thanks. I will try to build one.

Will this transistor do?
http://www.newark.com/nte-electronics/nte451/transistor-jfet-n-channel-4ma-i/dp/29C4598


Probably, but you'd have to try it.  Or just use MPF-102:

http://www.newark.com/fairchild-semiconductor/mpf102/rf-jfet-n-channel-15v-to-92/dp/21K5272
Mouser has them, also Radio Shack.

An idea is to build an array of these and measure with a cheap 
microcontroller.


That FET circuit is a detector only, not a linear meter with gain and 
zero. Ridiculously Simple Charge Detector is extremely crude/cheap so kids 
can build one themselves.  Also, like all passive electrometers it only 
detects AC, although more complicated ones can go down to tens of seconds 
time-constant or longer.


If you can afford more than $3, or know some electronics, then look at 
the other examples in LINKS http://amasci.com/emotor/chargdet.html#15


For actual DC field detection, "field mill" electrometers are required. 
They use a small grounded spinning blade placed near the electrometer 
antenna to chop any constant e-field into AC.  That way the empty space 
surrounding the antenna doesn't behave as a series-capacitor which blocks 
all long-term DC signals.




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Re: [Vo]:Any SLIders out there? I am one.

[David Jonsson]

On Fri, May 18, 2012 at 10:19 PM, William Beaty  wrote:

> On Fri, 18 May 2012, David Jonsson wrote:
>
>  What is happening when you turn off the LEDs? Where is that described? It
>> looks like a possible explanation.
>>
>
> Three-dollar e-field detectors, see the project page:
>
>  
> http://www.amasci.com/emotor/**chargdet.html
>
>
> But if streetlights respond to DC fields, then nearby cars and distant
> thunderstorms would have enormous effect.


Thanks. I will try to build one.

Will this transistor do?
http://www.newark.com/nte-electronics/nte451/transistor-jfet-n-channel-4ma-i/dp/29C4598

An idea is to build an array of these and measure with a cheap
microcontroller.

David

Re: [Vo]:Any SLIders out there? I am one.

[Terry Blanton]

Virus found!

http://www.gizmag.com/generating-electricity-from-harmless-viruses/22549

T

Re: [Vo]:Any SLIders out there? I am one.

[William Beaty]

On Fri, 18 May 2012, David Jonsson wrote:


What is happening when you turn off the LEDs? Where is that described? It
looks like a possible explanation.


Three-dollar e-field detectors, see the project page:

  http://www.amasci.com/emotor/chargdet.html


But if streetlights respond to DC fields, then nearby cars and distant 
thunderstorms would have enormous effect.




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Re: [Vo]:Any SLIders out there? I am one.

[David Jonsson]

On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 6:57 AM, William Beaty  wrote:

> On Wed, 16 May 2012, David Jonsson wrote:
>
>  I am a SLIder myself. I can turn off some lights just by passing by foot
>> or
>>
>
> I'm not one myself.  But I did get a chance to expound on my personal
> conventional-yet-crackpot bio-electrostatics explanation of some examples
> of the phenomenon:
>
>  Lung-powered human VandeGraaff disease?  "William Shatner's Weird or What"
>  
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?**v=neYxvtqH8QM


What is happening when you turn off the LEDs? Where is that described? It
looks like a possible explanation.

David

Re: [Vo]:Any SLIders out there? I am one.

[Eric Walker]

On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 6:36 AM, David Roberson  wrote:

 A characteristic of HID lights is that they begin to cycle on and off as
> they approach the end of life.  Time to replace those Slider lamps.
>
> Dave
>

The human mind loves to find patterns, even when they don't exist.  Certain
industries appear to be predicated on identifying patterns that don't
exist.  Statistics is a tool we've developed to protect ourselves from our
flourishing imaginations.  It helps us to get beyond mere hunches about
whether there is a pattern.  Without it, we are left to our own devices
when it comes to understanding a patchwork of sporadic observations, and
our creative interpretation of events can easily gets the better of us;
without our taking careful measurements and then determining whether a
hypothesis is statistically significant, I'm sure we are altogether
helpless to know whether something is real or not when the data are sparse.
 I will go out on a limb and suggest that it is largely a well-trained
distrust of personal experience that characterizes the scientific approach
to things (I'm no scientist, so I can only offer conjecture here!).

The question: do some people influence street lamps?  The answer: let's
take a bunch of measurements and run a regression against them.

That said, I wouldn't be surprised if scientists periodically throw out
statistically significant patterns that don't accord with their own
understanding of things -- perhaps ESP is one.

Eric

Re: [Vo]:Any SLIders out there? I am one.

[mixent]

In reply to  William Beaty's message of Wed, 16 May 2012 22:06:58 -0700 (PDT):
Hi,
[snip]
>In that case, the effect would follow certain streetlights (not reported,)

...or streetlight types as in your comment here below about strings...
 
>and wouldn't follow certain rare people (commonly reported.)  

...those with holes in their soles...? ;)


>Control for 
>very unusual height, rare types of shoe soles, etc.  One of the common 
>stories is that a person turns off *strings* of streetlights one at a time 
>as they pass under them.
Regards,

Robin van Spaandonk

http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html

RE: [Vo]:Any SLIders out there? I am one.

[Hoyt A. Stearns Jr.]

Just what not why.

I had a housemate whilst at Cornell who manifested the "reverse Midas
touch".  We did several experiments to verify the effects were real and they
were!

One was when we asked him to please turn the volume down on a radio, and an
electrollytic capacitor failed emitting voluminous vapors into the room.
Another was to turn on a light, and it burned out.  He definitely should not
go into a computer room.

There were many more experiments like that, not all electrical in nature --
locking keys in car, flat tires at inappropriate times etc.
It's interesting that no significant physical harm ever occurred, although
the potential was there.

In the movie "Pure Luck" they give this a scientific name "Coincident
Misfortune Syndrome".
I recommend that movie ( starring Martin Short ).  I really enjoyed it
because I knew this syndrome is real.

Hoyt Stearns
Scottsdale, Arizona US
  -Original Message-
  From: fznidar...@aol.com [mailto:fznidar...@aol.com]
  Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2012 10:19 AM


   From: Harry Veeder 
  To: vortex-l 
  Sent: Thu, May 17, 2012 12:35 pm
  Subject: Re: [Vo]:Any SLIders out there? I am one.


I think lights that are near death are prone to being influenced by
the presence of people. So yes the light might turn on and off when
you aren't near it, but that doesn't rule out the possibility that you
had some infleunce at other times.

Harry

On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 8:59 AM, OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson
 wrote:
> From Beaty,
>
> ...
>
>> If you notice a *single* streelight turn off, it might just be
>> Anthropic Principle.  Meaning, that streetlight is slowly turning on
>> and off constantly, but you only notice this when you're walking
>> underneath, and then wrongly ascribe the cause as being your proximity.
>> Human presence causes the bulb to be noticed, because without nearby
>> human presence, the bulb isn't noticed.
>

Re: [Vo]:Any SLIders out there? I am one.

[fznidarsic]

The are probably sensitive the infrared emission from you body.


Frank



-Original Message-
From: Harry Veeder 
To: vortex-l 
Sent: Thu, May 17, 2012 12:35 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Any SLIders out there? I am one.


I think lights that are near death are prone to being influenced by
the presence of people. So yes the light might turn on and off when
you aren't near it, but that doesn't rule out the possibility that you
had some infleunce at other times.

Harry

On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 8:59 AM, OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson
 wrote:
> From Beaty,
>
> ...
>
>> If you notice a *single* streelight turn off, it might just be
>> Anthropic Principle.  Meaning, that streetlight is slowly turning on
>> and off constantly, but you only notice this when you're walking
>> underneath, and then wrongly ascribe the cause as being your proximity.
>> Human presence causes the bulb to be noticed, because without nearby
>> human presence, the bulb isn't noticed.
>
> I had never heard of the term sliders, but based on the description given
> here I used to believe I had slider characteristics. I noticed that certain
> street lamps I passed, especially when I was driving in my car or walking
> past them at night would suddenly blink out. After several repeated
> encounters it seemed very obvious to me that my presence must have been
> responsible. However, what dissuaded me from a personal belief that I was
> the cause of the anomaly was the fact that I got curious and began to
> observe the same lamps more closely. After a more careful extended period of
> observations I noticed that the same street lamps which I thought my
> presence was somehow influencing were regularly turning off all on their own
> regardless of whether I was nearby or not. There was obviously something
> wrong with the streetlamp. I suspect they were overheating and something
> like an internal circuit breaker had been tripped. After they cooled down
> they would turn back on again. The curious anomaly had nothing to do with
> me.
>
> Grant me serenity over the street lamps I am unable to influence. The
> courage to influence the street lamps that I can, and the wisdom to know the
> difference.
>
> Regards,
> Steven Vincent Johnson
> www.OrionWorks.com
> www.zazzle.com/orionworks
>
>


 

Re: [Vo]:Any SLIders out there? I am one.

[Jim Dickenson]

I used to have it happen relatively often when driving on the highway,
especially when I was in a strong negative emotional state.  I recall one
time I was biking and was really upset about something I can't recall and
pulled into a gas station for something and all the pumps crashed (they're
electronic).  Other things like that have happened from time to time.  Of
course, it could be coincidences ;)

Jim D.

On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 12:35 PM, Harry Veeder  wrote:

> I think lights that are near death are prone to being influenced by
> the presence of people. So yes the light might turn on and off when
> you aren't near it, but that doesn't rule out the possibility that you
> had some infleunce at other times.
>
> Harry
>
> On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 8:59 AM, OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson
>  wrote:
> > From Beaty,
> >
> > ...
> >
> >> If you notice a *single* streelight turn off, it might just be
> >> Anthropic Principle.  Meaning, that streetlight is slowly turning on
> >> and off constantly, but you only notice this when you're walking
> >> underneath, and then wrongly ascribe the cause as being your proximity.
> >> Human presence causes the bulb to be noticed, because without nearby
> >> human presence, the bulb isn't noticed.
> >
> > I had never heard of the term sliders, but based on the description given
> > here I used to believe I had slider characteristics. I noticed that
> certain
> > street lamps I passed, especially when I was driving in my car or walking
> > past them at night would suddenly blink out. After several repeated
> > encounters it seemed very obvious to me that my presence must have been
> > responsible. However, what dissuaded me from a personal belief that I was
> > the cause of the anomaly was the fact that I got curious and began to
> > observe the same lamps more closely. After a more careful extended
> period of
> > observations I noticed that the same street lamps which I thought my
> > presence was somehow influencing were regularly turning off all on their
> own
> > regardless of whether I was nearby or not. There was obviously something
> > wrong with the streetlamp. I suspect they were overheating and something
> > like an internal circuit breaker had been tripped. After they cooled down
> > they would turn back on again. The curious anomaly had nothing to do with
> > me.
> >
> > Grant me serenity over the street lamps I am unable to influence. The
> > courage to influence the street lamps that I can, and the wisdom to know
> the
> > difference.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Steven Vincent Johnson
> > www.OrionWorks.com
> > www.zazzle.com/orionworks
> >
> >
>
>

Re: [Vo]:Any SLIders out there? I am one.

[Harry Veeder]

I think lights that are near death are prone to being influenced by
the presence of people. So yes the light might turn on and off when
you aren't near it, but that doesn't rule out the possibility that you
had some infleunce at other times.

Harry

On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 8:59 AM, OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson
 wrote:
> From Beaty,
>
> ...
>
>> If you notice a *single* streelight turn off, it might just be
>> Anthropic Principle.  Meaning, that streetlight is slowly turning on
>> and off constantly, but you only notice this when you're walking
>> underneath, and then wrongly ascribe the cause as being your proximity.
>> Human presence causes the bulb to be noticed, because without nearby
>> human presence, the bulb isn't noticed.
>
> I had never heard of the term sliders, but based on the description given
> here I used to believe I had slider characteristics. I noticed that certain
> street lamps I passed, especially when I was driving in my car or walking
> past them at night would suddenly blink out. After several repeated
> encounters it seemed very obvious to me that my presence must have been
> responsible. However, what dissuaded me from a personal belief that I was
> the cause of the anomaly was the fact that I got curious and began to
> observe the same lamps more closely. After a more careful extended period of
> observations I noticed that the same street lamps which I thought my
> presence was somehow influencing were regularly turning off all on their own
> regardless of whether I was nearby or not. There was obviously something
> wrong with the streetlamp. I suspect they were overheating and something
> like an internal circuit breaker had been tripped. After they cooled down
> they would turn back on again. The curious anomaly had nothing to do with
> me.
>
> Grant me serenity over the street lamps I am unable to influence. The
> courage to influence the street lamps that I can, and the wisdom to know the
> difference.
>
> Regards,
> Steven Vincent Johnson
> www.OrionWorks.com
> www.zazzle.com/orionworks
>
>

Re: [Vo]:Any SLIders out there? I am one.

[David Roberson]

A characteristic of HID lights is that they begin to cycle on and off as they 
approach the end of life.  Time to replace those Slider lamps.

Dave


-Original Message-
From: OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson 
To: vortex-l 
Sent: Thu, May 17, 2012 8:59 am
Subject: RE: [Vo]:Any SLIders out there? I am one.


>From Beaty,
...
> If you notice a *single* streelight turn off, it might just be
 Anthropic Principle.  Meaning, that streetlight is slowly turning on
 and off constantly, but you only notice this when you're walking
 underneath, and then wrongly ascribe the cause as being your proximity.
 Human presence causes the bulb to be noticed, because without nearby
 human presence, the bulb isn't noticed.
I had never heard of the term sliders, but based on the description given
ere I used to believe I had slider characteristics. I noticed that certain
treet lamps I passed, especially when I was driving in my car or walking
ast them at night would suddenly blink out. After several repeated
ncounters it seemed very obvious to me that my presence must have been
esponsible. However, what dissuaded me from a personal belief that I was
he cause of the anomaly was the fact that I got curious and began to
bserve the same lamps more closely. After a more careful extended period of
bservations I noticed that the same street lamps which I thought my
resence was somehow influencing were regularly turning off all on their own
egardless of whether I was nearby or not. There was obviously something
rong with the streetlamp. I suspect they were overheating and something
ike an internal circuit breaker had been tripped. After they cooled down
hey would turn back on again. The curious anomaly had nothing to do with
e.
Grant me serenity over the street lamps I am unable to influence. The
ourage to influence the street lamps that I can, and the wisdom to know the
ifference.
Regards,
teven Vincent Johnson
ww.OrionWorks.com
ww.zazzle.com/orionworks

RE: [Vo]:Any SLIders out there? I am one.

[OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson]

>From Beaty,

...

> If you notice a *single* streelight turn off, it might just be
> Anthropic Principle.  Meaning, that streetlight is slowly turning on
> and off constantly, but you only notice this when you're walking
> underneath, and then wrongly ascribe the cause as being your proximity.
> Human presence causes the bulb to be noticed, because without nearby
> human presence, the bulb isn't noticed.

I had never heard of the term sliders, but based on the description given
here I used to believe I had slider characteristics. I noticed that certain
street lamps I passed, especially when I was driving in my car or walking
past them at night would suddenly blink out. After several repeated
encounters it seemed very obvious to me that my presence must have been
responsible. However, what dissuaded me from a personal belief that I was
the cause of the anomaly was the fact that I got curious and began to
observe the same lamps more closely. After a more careful extended period of
observations I noticed that the same street lamps which I thought my
presence was somehow influencing were regularly turning off all on their own
regardless of whether I was nearby or not. There was obviously something
wrong with the streetlamp. I suspect they were overheating and something
like an internal circuit breaker had been tripped. After they cooled down
they would turn back on again. The curious anomaly had nothing to do with
me.

Grant me serenity over the street lamps I am unable to influence. The
courage to influence the street lamps that I can, and the wisdom to know the
difference.

Regards,
Steven Vincent Johnson
www.OrionWorks.com
www.zazzle.com/orionworks

Re: [Vo]:Any SLIders out there? I am one.

[William Beaty]

On Wed, 16 May 2012, William Beaty wrote:


 Lung-powered human VandeGraaff disease?  "William Shatner's Weird or What"
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=neYxvtqH8QM



Better link here: http://amasci.com/static/e-disease.html





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Re: [Vo]:Any SLIders out there? I am one.

[William Beaty]

On Wed, 16 May 2012, mix...@bigpond.com wrote:

Perhaps it has to do with the "fair weather" current, or in this case 
"field". By walking toward the lamp the top of your head brings the 
"ground" closer to the lamp (because your body is filled with salt 
water, which is a reasonable conductor), thus changing the static field. 
The resultant high voltage change may be enough to trigger the circuitry 
of the lamp, causing it to turn on.


In that case, the effect would follow certain streetlights (not reported,) 
and wouldn't follow certain rare people (commonly reported.)  Control for 
very unusual height, rare types of shoe soles, etc.  One of the common 
stories is that a person turns off *strings* of streetlights one at a time 
as they pass under them.


If you notice a *single* streelight turn off, it might just be Anthropic 
Principle.  Meaning, that streetlight is slowly turning on and off 
constantly, but you only notice this when you're walking underneath, and 
then wrongly ascribe the cause as being your proximity.  Human presence 
causes the bulb to be noticed, because without nearby human presence, the 
bulb isn't noticed.






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Seattle, WA  206-762-3818unusual phenomena, tesla coils, weird sci

Re: [Vo]:Any SLIders out there? I am one.

[William Beaty]

On Wed, 16 May 2012, David Jonsson wrote:


I am a SLIder myself. I can turn off some lights just by passing by foot or


I'm not one myself.  But I did get a chance to expound on my personal 
conventional-yet-crackpot bio-electrostatics explanation of some examples 
of the phenomenon:


  Lung-powered human VandeGraaff disease?  "William Shatner's Weird or What"
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=neYxvtqH8QM





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EE/programmer/sci-exhibits   amateur science, hobby projects, sci fair
Seattle, WA  206-762-3818unusual phenomena, tesla coils, weird sci

Re: [Vo]:Any SLIders out there? I am one.

[Harry Veeder]

On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 11:56 PM,   wrote:
>
> In reply to  Harry Veeder's message of Tue, 15 May 2012 21:33:02 -0400:
> Hi,
> [snip]
>>Yeah it has happened to me with a few street lights, but I thought it
>>was just some sort of subtle electrical/vibrational connection between
>>my body and a light which was nearing the end of its life. However,
>>one night about 20+ years ago, I found I was able to turn a particular
>>light on and off repeatedly by walking towards and away from it each
>>time.
>
> Perhaps it has to do with the "fair weather" current, or in this case "field".
> By walking toward the lamp the top of your head brings the "ground" closer to
> the lamp (because your body is filled with salt water, which is a reasonable
> conductor), thus changing the static field. The resultant high voltage change
> may be enough to trigger the circuitry of the lamp, causing it to turn on.
>
> This may only happens with lamps where the normal ground connection (if they
> have one) is broken .
>
> BTW it may also be related to whether or not your footwear is (somewhat)
> conductive (e.g. wet).
>
> Regards,
>
> Robin van Spaandonk

Maybe. The hypothesis could be tested with a tall bladder filled with
salt water sitting on remote controlled cart.

Other curious phenomena such as water dowsing could be investigated
with subitably constructed human analogues.

harry

Re: [Vo]:Any SLIders out there? I am one.

[mixent]

In reply to  Harry Veeder's message of Tue, 15 May 2012 21:33:02 -0400:
Hi,
[snip]
>Yeah it has happened to me with a few street lights, but I thought it
>was just some sort of subtle electrical/vibrational connection between
>my body and a light which was nearing the end of its life. However,
>one night about 20+ years ago, I found I was able to turn a particular
>light on and off repeatedly by walking towards and away from it each
>time.

Perhaps it has to do with the "fair weather" current, or in this case "field".
By walking toward the lamp the top of your head brings the "ground" closer to
the lamp (because your body is filled with salt water, which is a reasonable
conductor), thus changing the static field. The resultant high voltage change
may be enough to trigger the circuitry of the lamp, causing it to turn on.

This may only happens with lamps where the normal ground connection (if they
have one) is broken .

BTW it may also be related to whether or not your footwear is (somewhat)
conductive (e.g. wet).

Regards,

Robin van Spaandonk

http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html

Re: [Vo]:Any SLIders out there? I am one.

[Harry Veeder]

Yeah it has happened to me with a few street lights, but I thought it
was just some sort of subtle electrical/vibrational connection between
my body and a light which was nearing the end of its life. However,
one night about 20+ years ago, I found I was able to turn a particular
light on and off repeatedly by walking towards and away from it each
time.


harry

On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 7:30 PM, David Jonsson
 wrote:
> Check the definition if you need to
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Street_light_interference_phenomenon
>
> I am a SLIder myself. I can turn off some lights just by passing by foot or
> bicyce. I discovered this by chance. I don't affect the light in any
> directly conscious way. It just happens. I hope I can put it on video but
> the problem is it only works with some lamps far away from where I live
> now.
>
> Anyone with car in Stockholm could help. And please bring courageous and
> honest witnesses.
>
> David
>
> David Jonsson, Sweden, phone callto:+46703000370
>

[Vo]:Any SLIders out there? I am one.

[David Jonsson]

Check the definition if you need to
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Street_light_interference_phenomenon

I am a SLIder myself. I can turn off some lights just by passing by foot or
bicyce. I discovered this by chance. I don't affect the light in any
directly conscious way. It just happens. I hope I can put it on video but
the problem is it only works with some lamps far away from where I live
now.

Anyone with car in Stockholm could help. And please bring courageous and
honest witnesses.

David

David Jonsson, Sweden, phone callto:+46703000370