Re: [Vo]:D2 direct to Fe ?
In reply to Horace Heffner's message of Tue, 5 Jun 2007 14:48:34 -0800: Hi, [snip] or the Sun's magnetic field reverses every 11 years, which is the true cause of the sunspots. If that's the sole cause, then how is it we get big sunspots at the reversal point, when the ? Perhaps *because* the magnetic field is highly reduced? Regards, Horace Heffner Regards, Robin van Spaandonk The shrub is a plant.
Re: [Vo]:D2 direct to Fe ?
In reply to Jones Beene's message of Tue, 05 Jun 2007 12:34:50 -0700: Hi, [snip] Robin van Spaandonk wrote: Note that the determination of what the Sun is spewing out is probably based upon spectroscopic evidence, and as Mills has already pointed out, at least one Hydrino line is easily confused with an Fe line. Now which is more likely to be present on the Sun in large quantities, Fe or H? But even Mills sez that the Hy formation is a coronal effect - and not a core effect. The lines in question are seen only in flares erupting from the core, and are not in (abundant) evidence otherwise (apparently, or they would have been mentioned). How do they know the flares come from the core? Regards, Robin van Spaandonk The shrub is a plant.
Re: [Vo]:D2 direct to Fe ?
Horace Heffner wrote: This is also evidence for the notion that sunspots are caused by asteroids or comets hitting the sun. Some will have a high iron content. Few people understand the consequences of the enormous energy gained by bodies approaching the sun. Interesting post Horace. I have previously mentioned Jim McCanney. He says that big rocks are impacting the Sun. They come from a direction orthogonal to the planetary ecliptic. Given their distance from Earth, they would have to be sizable in order to be photographable. Sun spots, and increased solar irradiance are said to be coincident with these impacts. Interesting story, unfortunately Jim is the only person talking about it, and he doesn't answer emails. --- http://USFamily.Net/dialup.html - $8.25/mo! -- http://www.usfamily.net/dsl.html - $19.99/mo! ---
Re: [Vo]:D2 direct to Fe ?
Interesting, how is the 11 year periodicity of the sunspots explained in this theory? Michel - Original Message - From: thomas malloy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2007 8:11 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]:D2 direct to Fe ? Horace Heffner wrote: This is also evidence for the notion that sunspots are caused by asteroids or comets hitting the sun. Some will have a high iron content. Few people understand the consequences of the enormous energy gained by bodies approaching the sun. Interesting post Horace. I have previously mentioned Jim McCanney. He says that big rocks are impacting the Sun. They come from a direction orthogonal to the planetary ecliptic. Given their distance from Earth, they would have to be sizable in order to be photographable. Sun spots, and increased solar irradiance are said to be coincident with these impacts. Interesting story, unfortunately Jim is the only person talking about it, and he doesn't answer emails. --- http://USFamily.Net/dialup.html - $8.25/mo! -- http://www.usfamily.net/dsl.html - $19.99/mo! ---
Re: [Vo]:D2 direct to Fe ?
On Jun 4, 2007, at 10:49 PM, Michel Jullian wrote: Interesting, how is the 11 year periodicity of the sunspots explained in this theory? Jovian trash haulers peak their trash dumping into the sun every 11 years, or ... Jupiter perturbs a high eccentricity asteroid band once per orbit, or ... it is caused by a roughly 11 year orbital period for a high eccentricity asteroid group that is dispersed throughout its orbit. Maybe it is just asteroid belt debris from a planet that exploded long ago and far far away ... Regards, Horace Heffner
Re: [Vo]:D2 direct to Fe ?
Michel Jullian wrote: Interesting, how is the 11 year periodicity of the sunspots explained in this theory? Michel Well, it isn't. However, on the 11 year cycle, we are at solar sun spot minimum, but the number of sun spots are said to be at the maximum predicted by the 11 year cycle. Ditto for solar irradiance. - Original Message - From: thomas malloy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2007 8:11 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]:D2 direct to Fe ? Horace Heffner wrote: This is also evidence for the notion that sunspots are caused by asteroids or comets hitting the sun. Some will have a high iron content. Few people understand the consequences of the enormous energy gained by bodies approaching the sun. Interesting post Horace. I have previously mentioned Jim McCanney. He says that big rocks are impacting the Sun. They come from a direction orthogonal to the planetary ecliptic. Given their distance from Earth, they would have to be sizable in order to be photographable. Sun spots, and increased solar irradiance are said to be coincident with these impacts. Interesting story, unfortunately Jim is the only person talking about it, and he doesn't answer emails. --- http://USFamily.Net/dialup.html - $8.25/mo! -- http://www.usfamily.net/dsl.html - $19.99/mo! ---
Re: [Vo]:D2 direct to Fe ?
Robin van Spaandonk wrote: Note that the determination of what the Sun is spewing out is probably based upon spectroscopic evidence, and as Mills has already pointed out, at least one Hydrino line is easily confused with an Fe line. Now which is more likely to be present on the Sun in large quantities, Fe or H? But even Mills sez that the Hy formation is a coronal effect - and not a core effect. The lines in question are seen only in flares erupting from the core, and are not in (abundant) evidence otherwise (apparently, or they would have been mentioned).
Re: [Vo]:D2 direct to Fe ?
In reply to Horace Heffner's message of Tue, 5 Jun 2007 02:19:03 -0800: Hi, [snip] or the Sun's magnetic field reverses every 11 years, which is the true cause of the sunspots. On Jun 4, 2007, at 10:49 PM, Michel Jullian wrote: Interesting, how is the 11 year periodicity of the sunspots explained in this theory? Jovian trash haulers peak their trash dumping into the sun every 11 years, or ... Jupiter perturbs a high eccentricity asteroid band once per orbit, or ... it is caused by a roughly 11 year orbital period for a high eccentricity asteroid group that is dispersed throughout its orbit. Maybe it is just asteroid belt debris from a planet that exploded long ago and far far away ... Regards, Horace Heffner Regards, Robin van Spaandonk The shrub is a plant.
Re: [Vo]:D2 direct to Fe ?
On Jun 5, 2007, at 1:47 PM, Robin van Spaandonk wrote: In reply to Horace Heffner's message of Tue, 5 Jun 2007 02:19:03 -0800: Hi, [snip] or the Sun's magnetic field reverses every 11 years, which is the true cause of the sunspots. If that's the sole cause, then how is it we get big sunspots at the reversal point, when the magnetic field is highly reduced? Regards, Horace Heffner
[Vo]:D2 direct to Fe ?
Xavier at Blaze Labs has just uploaded 2 interesting NASA files, which give further strong evidence AGAINST the standard view of a mostly hydrogen sun, and/or of hydrogen fusing into helium being the only important nuclear reaction-- and which NASA has removed from public view (for whatever unknown reason). To see these, you must sign up for the Blaze Labs Y! group. Heavy metals, particularly iron, have been confirmed by a NASA solar mission, squirting out of the sun in Solar Flares in amounts which are up to 10,000 times higher than predicted. The results are evidence in favor of Xavier's EMRP gravity theory, and the iron-rich sun model. BUT there is another (less clear) implication to this ... ... which Xavier did not mention yet (for good reason), and which might have relevance to LENR in condensed matter on earth: that being the possibility that hydrogen and isotopes - when in a quasi-BEC state where there are at least 28 atoms of D2 in one matrix cavity (which is possible in a quasi [i.e. temporary] - condensed state) will fuse all the way into iron in one step (by way of 56Ni). This route via nickel is a commonly seen cosmological path to iron, as it involves a favored magic number' of nucleons, but it is presumed to happen via heavier intermediaries, instead of one direct step, which is probably true in the Nova. But not necessarily in the Pd matrix. The nickel quickly decays to 56Fe. The problem with this having relevance to the sun is that unlike LENR experiments where pure D2 is used, the possibility of having all deuterium in the suns' core is slight... even if - in the gravity field of the sun's core the deuterium might on occasion (if present) be forced into a quasi-BEC state even at the enormous temperatures. That happenstance, as remote as it seems, would involve invoking Frank Grimer's notion of compreture. At any rate - every possibility should be examined, in light of the implications of these findings - and this posting is but one first-impression which cropped up, and admittedly might not stand up to closer scrutiny. Under any circumstances, however, the mostly-hydrogen sun is not supposed to expel heavy metals in flares in the standard model. Consequently, the cynic might opine that the satellite findings are apparently just too much for NASA, as they break so many established 'laws' and notions that the mainstream decided to restrict pubic access, and sweep the problem under the carpet... and if pressed, NASA will likely rationalize and say that they suspect instrument failure of some kind on the satellites, and for that reason withdrew the papers. ...how long will they even be available on the Blaze Y! group in this era of the so-called 'Patriot's Act' ? Jones
RE: [Vo]:D2 direct to Fe ?
Further support for Dewey B. Larson's Reciprocal system of physics: http://www.reciprocalsystem.com/rs/cwkvk/sunpart1.htm http://www.reciprocalsystem.com/rs/cwkvk/sunpart2.htm http://www.reciprocalsystem.com/rs/cwkvk/index.htm -Original Message- From: Jones Beene [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 8:33 AM To: vortex; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Vo]:D2 direct to Fe ? Xavier at Blaze Labs has just uploaded 2 interesting NASA files, which give further strong evidence AGAINST the standard view of a mostly hydrogen sun, and/or of hydrogen fusing into helium being the only important nuclear reaction-- and which NASA has removed from public view (for whatever unknown reason). To see these, you must sign up for the Blaze Labs Y! group. Heavy metals, particularly iron, have been confirmed by a NASA solar mission, squirting out of the sun in Solar Flares in amounts which are up to 10,000 times higher than predicted. The results are evidence in favor of Xavier's EMRP gravity theory, and the iron-rich sun model.
Re: [Vo]:D2 direct to Fe ?
In reply to Jones Beene's message of Mon, 04 Jun 2007 08:33:06 -0700: Hi, [snip] Heavy metals, particularly iron, have been confirmed by a NASA solar mission, squirting out of the sun in Solar Flares in amounts which are up to 10,000 times higher than predicted. The results are evidence in favor of Xavier's EMRP gravity theory, and the iron-rich sun model. [snip] Note that the determination of what the Sun is spewing out is probably based upon spectroscopic evidence, and as Mills has already pointed out, at least one Hydrino line is easily confused with an Fe line. Now which is more likely to be present on the Sun in large quantities, Fe or H? Regards, Robin van Spaandonk The shrub is a plant.
Re: [Vo]:D2 direct to Fe ?
On Jun 4, 2007, at 2:05 PM, Hoyt A. Stearns Jr. wrote: Xavier at Blaze Labs has just uploaded 2 interesting NASA files, which give further strong evidence AGAINST the standard view of a mostly hydrogen sun, and/or of hydrogen fusing into helium being the only important nuclear reaction-- and which NASA has removed from public view (for whatever unknown reason). To see these, you must sign up for the Blaze Labs Y! group. Heavy metals, particularly iron, have been confirmed by a NASA solar mission, squirting out of the sun in Solar Flares in amounts which are up to 10,000 times higher than predicted. The results are evidence in favor of Xavier's EMRP gravity theory, and the iron-rich sun model. This is also evidence for the notion that sunspots are caused by asteroids or comets hitting the sun. Some will have a high iron content. Few people understand the consequences of the enormous energy gained by bodies approaching the sun. Regards, Horace Heffner
