[Vo]:Defkalion Press Release 10/10
http://www.defkalion-energy.com/forum/viewhttp://www.defkalion-energy.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4t=285 topic.php?f=4t=285http://www.defkalion-energy.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4t=285 The technological breakthrough of LENR (or CANR) is no longer speculation. It is a fact that will eventually change the world’s energy problems and its sociopolitical divides through cheap, clean and green energy. The world needs LENR as a new energy source. Although change will not happen over-night, LENR will help reduce CO2 emissions, lower the cost of energy, and provide longevity to our planet’s energy needs. Defkalion sees its role with responsibility and asks the community at large to continue its support. Defkalion has: • Enhanced technology and engineering on Rossi’s invention or similar inventions • Prepared business models for international expansion • Established a strong network of global contacts • Prepared legislative and certification procedures • Ensured national, regional and international network in politics and business • Prepared global financing Defkalion has worked in close partnership with Andrea Rossi for a very long time to prepare a commercially viable and industrially applicable product using his invention. Defkalion invested a lot of money to evolve Rossi’s E-Cat lab prototype into its Hyperion product. Defkalion is now at the stage where its industrial prototype is ready for production. Defkalion has held direct business discussions with 62 interested companies who visited our offices in Greece and witnessed our work. Small industry and large energy players internationally were all impressed by our progress in technology and engineering. More are still coming. Despite this phenomenal progress, Defkalion never made promises. Our aim has always been to inform and demonstrate to public our progress when the final product is ready for use, thereby avoiding any speculations. Today, Hyperion engineering has completed version 7. We were surprised to see our old designs used in public testing. We were confused why our old designs were implemented wrongly, as well as witnessing insufficient use of instruments and testing protocols. We also identified confidential (yet shown in public) special instruments designed in collaboration with Rossi and prepared by Defkalion. These actions have already paved the way for more negative criticism (unworthy) against the inventor, which do not give credibility to his important work. The plethora of positive and negative comments is not helpful, as pointed out recently on the Vortex mail archive: (http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@es ... 52357.htmlhttp://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@eskimo.com/msg52357.html ). Defkalion fully supports and endorses this technology. Our mission is to introduce this technology on a global scale, responsibly. To date, we have self-financed all RD and business development phases without asking for a single penny from anyone (private or public). We will soon be ready to announce the results of our extensive RD with Hyperion final products. Athens, October 10th, 2011 *Defkalion GT S.A.*
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Deflalion indicates that they are ready for production. http://www.defkalion-energy.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4t=285 And it sounds like Rossi was using an older Defkalion design: Today, Hyperion engineering has completed version 7. We were surprised to see our old designs used in public testing. We were confused why our old designs were implemented wrongly, as well as witnessing insufficient use of instruments and testing protocols. We also identified confidential (yet shown in public) special instruments designed in collaboration with Rossi and prepared by Defkalion. These actions have already paved the way for more negative criticism (unworthy) against the inventor, which do not give credibility to his important work. The plethora of positive and negative comments is not helpful, as pointed out recently on the Vortex mail archive: (http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@es ... 52357.html). Could that 'confidential special instrument' be the frequency generator? Didn't Rossi bring it out only when he wasn't seeing an 'ignition'. Craig
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On 2011-10-10 16:02, Daniel Rocha wrote: http://www.defkalion-energy.com/forum/view http://www.defkalion-energy.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4t=285topic.php?f=4t=285 http://www.defkalion-energy.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4t=285 It would be interesting to read Rossi's comments on this. Maybe it's not necessary, but please somebody forward this announcement to him. Cheers, S.A.
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Another pot of snakes ? 2011/10/10 Akira Shirakawa shirakawa.ak...@gmail.com On 2011-10-10 16:02, Daniel Rocha wrote: http://www.defkalion-energy.**com/forum/viewhttp://www.defkalion-energy.com/forum/view http://www.defkalion-energy.**com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4t=**285http://www.defkalion-energy.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4t=285 topic.php?f=4t=285 http://www.defkalion-energy.**com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4t=**285http://www.defkalion-energy.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4t=285 It would be interesting to read Rossi's comments on this. Maybe it's not necessary, but please somebody forward this announcement to him. Cheers, S.A.
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From Defkkalion, of particular interest: Today, Hyperion engineering has completed version 7. We were surprised to see our old designs used in public testing. We were confused why our old designs were implemented wrongly, as well as witnessing insufficient use of instruments and testing protocols. We also identified confidential (yet shown in public) special instruments designed in collaboration with Rossi and prepared by Defkalion. These actions have already paved the way for more negative criticism (unworthy) against the inventor, which do not give credibility to his important work. Holy Matzo-Balls! What a mouth-full of carefully crafted diplomacy. Looks to me as if Defkalion is trying it's best to remain diplomatic and respectful to the interests of the original parties while at the same time making it very clear to all potential investors that their own engineering efforts have now exceeded the inventor's specs by several generations. So, hurry, hurry, hurry on up to the podium and plunk your money down. Time's-a-waisting! As has been speculated here before, it should not be considered a surprise that Rossi's original work could soon be improved upon, particularly when you get a lot more engineers together working on the project. But of course the fruits of Defkalion's alleged improvements (Version 7) has yet to demonstrated out in public. Perhaps by the end of October? This could get interesting. Well... I sure hope it gets interesting soon. Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
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-Original Message- From: Craig Haynie Defkalion: We also identified confidential (yet shown in public) special instruments designed in collaboration with Rossi and prepared by Defkalion. CH: Could that 'confidential special instrument' be the frequency generator? Didn't Rossi bring it out only when he wasn't seeing an 'ignition'. Thanks for posting this. For those who may be wondering what this instrument really is, look at the low current draw. This can point to a high voltage, low current device. Of course, it could also point to a dedicated frequency generator as well, but I doubt seriously if that is what it is. My guess is that the mystery box could be a neon light type of transformer, or else another kind of HV device like a small Tesla coil (air core). As to 'why' high voltage could help with nickel nanopowder, specifically, we are back to the issue of isotope enrichment. I should mention the Barker patents in the context of a particular Nickel isotope - Ni-64. He is an old post on the Barker patents: http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@eskimo.com/msg17550.html Here is my take on Ni-64: http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@eskimo.com/msg39326.html Ok - the first objection (to my suggestion that what we are seeing is the high-voltage enhanced decay of an unusual isotope) is that Ni-64 is technically a stable isotope, and the element nickel is the second most stable element. But the answer to that objection is that Ni-64 is unlike the other isotopes of nickel, and could be the most unstable of all stable isotopes in the periodic table - in terms of its mass deviation as a percentage of the mass of the most stable isotope of that particular element. Sorry for the confusing wording, but this is not an easy concept to verbalize in a short posting. Second objection - assumed high cost. Many of us have noted, myself included, that despite Rossi having said in the past that he is enriching the nickel powder with a particular (unidentified) isotope - it seemed that the cost of doing this would be excessive. Most enriched isotopes are extremely expensive. Having checked with suppliers, I now stand corrected on that point. As it turns out, Ni-64 enrichment is available at a cost which is not cheap, but is at least a factor of 20 times less than expected ... for whatever reason. This could relate to the source of the nickel. Conclusion: The new advance here, which was apparently instigated by Defkalion and could have been based on the Barker patents - and then picked up by Rossi, is the use of a high voltage low current power supply. This voltage input somehow stimulates the decay of Ni-64, in the way that Barker was able to do with pitchblende (an increased decay rate of 10^6) possibly to Cu-64 which is itself unstable and there could be some kind of see-saw instability. Note: of course this is not standard physics, so yes... if it is accurate or even close to what is happening, then it is new physics in two different ways (or more) - but rather close to what is expected of similar isotopes. Nickel is known to favor beta decay for some reason. Obviously, if the device works at all it is new physics so the only question for us moving forward to a more complete understanding is: how deep is this rabbit hole (and/or did you take the red pill?) Jones Morpheus: You take the blue pill, the story ends, you wake up in your bed and believe whatever you want to believe. You take the red pill ...
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DGT wrote: We were surprised to see our old designs used in public testing. and We also identified confidential (yet shown in public) special instruments designed in collaboration with Rossi and prepared by Defkalion. I feel a lawsuit coming on! -mark
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From Mark: DGT wrote: We were surprised to see our old designs used in public testing. and We also identified confidential (yet shown in public) special instruments designed in collaboration with Rossi and prepared by Defkalion. I feel a lawsuit coming on! Yeah, perhaps so. Personally, I interpret the statements as an attempt by DGT to issue a friendly suggestion to Rossi that he ought to back off. ... IOW, there will be plenty of pie for everyone, so quit yer'bellyaching. Trust us Yeah, right. ;-) Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
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More like a gun to the head - ie we think we can extract legal remedies for your revelation of our confidential materials unless you come to an agreement with us, (and we know you are running out of money and time while we can pay for lots of lawyers that will waste all of your time), but let's just keep it friendly for now. There will have been non disclosure agreements and contracts stating who owned what. On 10 October 2011 17:16, OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson svj.orionwo...@gmail.com wrote: From Mark: DGT wrote: We were surprised to see our old designs used in public testing. and We also identified confidential (yet shown in public) special instruments designed in collaboration with Rossi and prepared by Defkalion. I feel a lawsuit coming on! Yeah, perhaps so. Personally, I interpret the statements as an attempt by DGT to issue a friendly suggestion to Rossi that he ought to back off. ... IOW, there will be plenty of pie for everyone, so quit yer'bellyaching. Trust us Yeah, right. ;-) Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
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From Robert: More like a gun to the head - ie we think we can extract legal remedies for your revelation of our confidential materials unless you come to an agreement with us, (and we know you are running out of money and time while we can pay for lots of lawyers that will waste all of your time), but let's just keep it friendly for now. There will have been non disclosure agreements and contracts stating who owned what. I tend to agree, ...As Teddy once sed: Speak softly and carry a big stick. http://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/speak-softly-and-carry-a-big-stick.html Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
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Sure looks like they are saying that Rossi has stolen their design with his eLion. T
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Am 10.10.2011 18:50, schrieb Terry Blanton: Sure looks like they are saying that Rossi has stolen their design with his eLion. Hard to imagine, because Professor Stremmenos (vice president and chief scientist @ Defkalion) was present and smiling.
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The question was not posted, but I guess he is calling of clowns the people of Defkalion: http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=510cpage=20#comment-94489 Dear Martin: These are just clowns. No other comment is opportune. I want not to dirt this blog with that shit. My attorneys are taking care of them. Warm Regards, A.R. 2011/10/10 Peter Heckert peter.heck...@arcor.de Am 10.10.2011 18:50, schrieb Terry Blanton: Sure looks like they are saying that Rossi has stolen their design with his eLion. Hard to imagine, because Professor Stremmenos (vice president and chief scientist @ Defkalion) was present and smiling.
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Interesting! He deleted the message! 2011/10/10 Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com The question was not posted, but I guess he is calling of clowns the people of Defkalion: http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=510cpage=20#comment-94489 Dear Martin: These are just clowns. No other comment is opportune. I want not to dirt this blog with that shit. My attorneys are taking care of them. Warm Regards, A.R. 2011/10/10 Peter Heckert peter.heck...@arcor.de Am 10.10.2011 18:50, schrieb Terry Blanton: Sure looks like they are saying that Rossi has stolen their design with his eLion. Hard to imagine, because Professor Stremmenos (vice president and chief scientist @ Defkalion) was present and smiling.
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That is hilarious. - Jed
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On Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 1:43 PM, Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com wrote: Interesting! He deleted the message! He said 'shit'. His mom probably made him erase it and eat soap. T
Re: [Vo]:Defkalion Press Release 10/10 -- Only 1 eCat
1. For the 6 Oct test, only one of the three modules in the E-Cat was active. Oct 6 for the test, only one of the three modules in the E-Cat was active. By what means were the other two made inoperative? By what means-Were the other two made inoperative? They don't seem to have separate heaters or hydrogen inputs. They Do not Seem to have separate heaters or hydrogen inputs. Was the nickel powder left out of them? The nickel powder was left out of them? AR: 1 - only one reactor has-been inserted in the wafer
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On 2011-10-10 19:43, Daniel Rocha wrote: Interesting! He deleted the message! Unfortunately I think it's too late now for him. The message has been already cited in several forums and blogs. Also, people with RSS feeds should still have it in their email clients. Cheers, S.A.
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OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson wrote: Looks to me as if Defkalion is trying it's best to remain diplomatic and respectful to the interests of the original parties while at the same time making it very clear to all potential investors that their own engineering efforts have now exceeded the inventor's specs by several generations. Yup. That's how I read it. It doesn't cost anything to remain diplomatic. In business it is usually best to be as diplomatic as you can bring yourself to be. I think the people at Defkalion are sincerely respectful of Rossi, as am I. He is a genius. He invented this device. He deserves barrels of money and a dozen Nobel prizes for it. Unfortunately he is not very good at doing demonstrations. - Jed
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I think the people at Defkalion are sincerely respectful of Rossi, as am I. He is a genius. He invented this device. He deserves barrels of money and a dozen Nobel prizes for it. Unfortunately he is not very good at doing demonstrations. - Jed I am not sure if that is an irony or not...
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Hi, On 10-10-2011 19:56, Alan J Fletcher wrote: 1. For the 6 Oct test, only one of the three modules in the E-Cat was active. Oct 6 for the test, only one of the three modules in the E-Cat was active. By what means were the other two made inoperative? By what means-Were the other two made inoperative? They don't seem to have separate heaters or hydrogen inputs. They Do not Seem to have separate heaters or hydrogen inputs. Was the nickel powder left out of them? The nickel powder was left out of them? AR: 1 - only one reactor has-been inserted in the wafer It looks to me Rossi refers to the box as a wafer and not as what is common in wafer production to silicon wafers. Kind regards, MoB
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At 11:33 AM 10/10/2011, Man on Bridges wrote: AR: 1 - only one reactor has-been inserted in the wafer It looks to me Rossi refers to the box as a wafer and not as what is common in wafer production to silicon wafers. Nor its religious (catholic, at least) use. Anyway, a single eCat means . ... more room for mice
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Man on Bridges manonbrid...@aim.com wrote: It looks to me Rossi refers to the box as a wafer and not as what is common in wafer production to silicon wafers. I thought he meant that crinkly heat exchanger-like thing. - Jed
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Hi, On 10-10-2011 21:02, Alan J Fletcher wrote: Nor its religious (catholic, at least) use. Yeah, I know; it's a long time ago I had one of these. Anyway, a single eCat means . ... more room for mice And you know what they say about cat and mice: NL: Als de kat van huis is dansen de muizen op tafel ;-) It seems, this translates fairly well in many languages. EN / US: when the cat's away the mice will play IT: quando il gatto non c'è, i topi ballano DE: Ist die Katze aus dem Haus, tanzen die Mäuse auf dem Tisch SE: När katten är borta, dansar råttorna på bordet RO: Când pisica nu-i acasă, joacă şoarecii pe masă And especially for the Mexicans: ¡Andale! ¡Andale! ¡Arriba! ¡Arriba! ¡Yii-hah!, Hola, uno pussy gato. tú tienes uno problemente? ;-) Kind regards, MoB
