[Vo]:Defkalion clearly states that Rossi showed them how to make the powder
There have been several comments here wondering if Defkalion has the catalyzer powder or whether they have reverse engineer it. For example, Axil Axil wrote: Ever since one of our number “noone noone” posted this http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@eskimo.com/msg49026.html I have been concerned that I have let Rossi’s secret out of the bag to his detriment and that secret has been used by Defkalion Green Technologies to reverse engineer Rossi’s reactor core. Please read Defkalion's statement carefully: http://pesn.com/2011/08/10/9501891_Defkalion_Responds_in_Support_of_Rossi/ It says: Defkalion is preparing all of its labs, the industrial production lines and support systems needed for the Hyperion kW range and MW range of products as designed, following all Andrea Rossi's specs on instruments and production machinery, including specialized systems necessary for the preparation, on an industrial scale, of the ingredients placed within the reactor. These are built by Defkalion's scientists and technicians, following the standards, specifications and designs provided and approved by Andrea Rossi himself. I think that is a clear statement that yes, they are making the powder, and Rossi himself told them how to do it. It says ingredients placed within the reactor. That would be the finely divided Ni powder. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Defkalion clearly states that Rossi showed them how to make the powder
Ni powder is not the catalyzer. It is something you can buy in specialized stores online.
Re: [Vo]:Defkalion clearly states that Rossi showed them how to make the powder
On 8/11/2011 3:05 PM, Daniel Rocha wrote: Ni powder is not the catalyzer. It is something you can buy in specialized stores online. When I say Ni powder I mean the catalyzer: the ingredients placed within the reactor. I gather it is mostly nickel. The point is, Defkalion says clearly that they have the secret, and they are making the stuff. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Defkalion clearly states that Rossi showed them how to make the powder
On Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 2:59 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Please read Defkalion's statement carefully: http://pesn.com/2011/08/10/9501891_Defkalion_Responds_in_Support_of_Rossi/ It says: Defkalion is preparing all of its labs, the industrial production lines and support systems needed for the Hyperion kW range and MW range of products as designed, following all Andrea Rossi's specs on instruments and production machinery, including specialized systems necessary for the preparation, on an industrial scale, of the ingredients placed within the reactor. These are built by Defkalion's scientists and technicians, following the standards, specifications and designs provided and approved by Andrea Rossi himself. I think that is a clear statement that yes, they are making the powder, and Rossi himself told them how to do it. It says ingredients placed within the reactor. That would be the finely divided Ni powder. I, too, thought that until I read even more carefully . . . specialized systems necessary for the preparation . . . Which means the machines to make the powder. Doesn't mean they don't know the sauce. T
Re: [Vo]:Defkalion clearly states that Rossi showed them how to make the powder
Terry Blanton wrote: Defkalion is preparing all of its labs, the industrial production lines and support systems needed for the Hyperion kW range and MW range of products as designed, following all Andrea Rossi's specs on instruments and production machinery, including specialized systems necessary for the preparation, on an industrial scale, of the ingredients placed within the reactor. These are built by Defkalion's scientists and technicians, following the standards, specifications and designs provided and approved by Andrea Rossi himself. I, too, thought that until I read even more carefully . . . specialized systems necessary for the preparation . . . Which means the machines to make the powder. Do you mean, they might be making a distinction between preparing the powder and fabricating it from scratch? I don't think so. I think this is a matter of English. I am pretty sure they mean they can make the stuff from scratch and Rossi showed them how. As a practical matter, I can't imagine setting up a factory to makes these things without controlling the key component in-house. Doesn't mean they don't know the sauce. I think it does mean they do know the sauce. Proactively. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Defkalion clearly states that Rossi showed them how to make the powder
At 12:13 PM 8/11/2011, Terry Blanton wrote: Doesn't mean they don't know the sauce. I'm with Terry on this one. They've could just have designed the correct hoppers, feeds, mixers etc etc to add the sauce, They can do this from a technical specification without knowing the secret. If and when Rossi finally gives them the information they can just fill the hopper and press thestart button.
Re: [Vo]:Defkalion clearly states that Rossi showed them how to make the powder
You can have a great kitchen and collect all the things you need to make bread, but unless your given instructions, or better still shown how to make bread you won't be able to make bread. Harry From: Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2011 3:29:32 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Defkalion clearly states that Rossi showed them how to make the powder Terry Blanton wrote: Defkalion is preparing all of its labs, the industrial production lines and support systems needed for the Hyperion kW range and MW range of products as designed, following all Andrea Rossi's specs on instruments and production machinery, including specialized systems necessary for the preparation, on an industrial scale, of the ingredients placed within the reactor. These are built by Defkalion's scientists and technicians, following the standards, specifications and designs provided and approved by Andrea Rossi himself. I, too, thought that until I read even more carefully . . . specialized systems necessary for the preparation . . . Which means the machines to make the powder. Do you mean, they might be making a distinction between preparing the powder and fabricating it from scratch? I don't think so. I think this is a matter of English. I am pretty sure they mean they can make the stuff from scratch and Rossi showed them how. As a practical matter, I can't imagine setting up a factory to makes these things without controlling the key component in-house. Doesn't mean they don't know the sauce. I think it does mean they do know the sauce. Proactively. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Defkalion clearly states that Rossi showed them how to make the powder
On Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 3:43 PM, Alan J Fletcher a...@well.com wrote: At 12:13 PM 8/11/2011, Terry Blanton wrote: Doesn't mean they don't know the sauce. I'm with Terry on this one. They've could just have designed the correct hoppers, feeds, mixers etc etc to add the sauce, They can do this from a technical specification without knowing the secret. If and when Rossi finally gives them the information they can just fill the hopper and press thestart button. But, at the same time, nowhere in their statement do they deny possessing nor having constructed reactor kernels. They may have no eCats; but, they could have eMbryos! T
Re: [Vo]:Defkalion clearly states that Rossi showed them how to make the powder
Very probably the problem is simpler than it seems, the core is actually a Sphynx without a Secret. The core is nanostructured Ni (please consider then particle size and nanostructure are two different characteristics- from a certain manufacturer and certain sortiment. Fora specialist in Competive Intelligence (specialists from SCIP or Fuld and Co, for example) is a relatively easy task to find out both the provenience and the specification of the nanoNi.. They will start probably at the customs- evidence who has imported Ni powder in Florida. This nanostructured Ni is probably treated. annealed degassed as described in the patent WO 2010/058288. I know thta Rossi says his catalyst is not inactivated by air, but he is speaking both the truth nd the untruth and the two cases are indistinguishable. He has delivered even a few absolute lies (definition- even the opposite of it is not true) The catalyst is fairy tales for adults I think. On Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 10:13 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.comwrote: On 8/11/2011 3:05 PM, Daniel Rocha wrote: Ni powder is not the catalyzer. It is something you can buy in specialized stores online. When I say Ni powder I mean the catalyzer: the ingredients placed within the reactor. I gather it is mostly nickel. The point is, Defkalion says clearly that they have the secret, and they are making the stuff. - Jed -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com
