[Vo]:ECAT site claims thin Ni layer at center of reactor core
OK, since Rossi confirms this site, http://ecat.com/, is official, can we accept their description as accurate? . [snip] The fuel, Nickel of very fine granularity + Hydrogen + catalyst, is placed in a thin layer at the center of the reactor core.[/snip]. This description is at odds with suggestions that the Ni as a surface layer on the inside wall of the reactor core like the MAHG reactor tube. This central configuration would suggest thermal currents from the Ni through the plasma to the walls of the reactor core. Does a partially ionized hydrogen plasma have the thermal heat sinking capacity to carry as much heat as Rossi is claiming? Would we be creating currents of H1heat away and H2 returning to the Ni? Fran From: francis [mailto:froarty...@comcast.net] Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2011 4:25 PM To: danieldi...@gmail.com Cc: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: EXTERNAL: [Vo]:thin Ni layer at center of reactor core. was Official ECAT site, finally? Daniel, It appears to contain new information that- if correct- will make for interesting discussion. [snip] The fuel, Nickel of very fine granularity + Hydrogen + catalyst, is placed in a thin layer at the center of the reactor core.[/snip] How can the heat be generated in the center of the reactor and still heat sink effectively to the walls? I know plasma is a better electrical conductor than metal but can it provide this sort of thermal conduction? Or is the reaction primarily occurring in the plasma while the powder layer and catalyst supply fractional Rydberg hydrogen into an homogenized plasma atmosphere filling the entire volume inside the reactor core? Fran [Vo]:Official ECAT site, finally? Daniel Rocha Wed, 16 Nov 2011 12:33:27 -0800 This is the old ecat.com domain, that one with the videos about the October's experiments. Now, it was refurbished and it looks like really an official website.
Re: [Vo]:ECAT site claims thin Ni layer at center of reactor core
What makes you think that a plasma is formed in Ross's device? It operates at high pressure (25 Bars) so I doubt that plasma is involved at all. I would like to hear some speculation on his reason for using many small reactors instead of larger devices. Is it due to safety concerns or is it the reaction physics or maybe the fuel needs to be prepared under high vacuum or some other size restricting manufacturing method. I don't see his current prototypes as having commercial value as the refueling process (every 6 months?) will be very labor intensive for 100+ reactors each buried inside a lead shielded insulated box. Ron --On Thursday, November 17, 2011 10:55 AM -0500 Roarty, Francis X francis.x.roa...@lmco.com wrote: OK, since Rossi confirms this site, http://ecat.com/, is official, can we accept their description as accurate? . [snip] The fuel, Nickel of very fine granularity + Hydrogen + catalyst, is placed in a thin layer at the center of the reactor core.[/snip]. This description is at odds with suggestions that the Ni as a surface layer on the inside wall of the reactor core like the MAHG reactor tube. This central configuration would suggest thermal currents from the Ni through the plasma to the walls of the reactor core. Do es a partially ionized hydrogen plasma have the thermal heat sinking capacity to carry as much heat as Rossi is claiming? Would we be creating currents of H1heat away and H2 returning to the Ni? Fran From: francis [mailto:froarty...@comcast.net] Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2011 4:25 PM To: danieldi...@gmail.com Cc: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: EXTERNAL: [Vo ]:thin Ni layer at center of reactor core. was Official ECAT site, finally? Daniel, It appears to contain new information that- if correct- will make for interesting discussion. [snip] The fuel, Nickel of very fine granularity + Hydrogen + catalyst, is placed in a thin layer at the center of the reactor core.[/snip] How can the heat be generated in the center of the reactor and still heat sink effectively to the walls? I know plasma is a better electrical conductor than metal but can it provide this sort of thermal conduction? Or is the reaction primarily occurring in the plasma while the powder layer and catalyst supply fractional Rydberg hydrogen into an homogenized plasma atmosphere filling the entire volume inside the reactor core? Fran [Vo]:Official ECAT site, finally? Daniel Rocha Wed, 16 Nov 2011 12:33:27 -0800 This is the old ecat.com domain, that one with the videos about the October's experiments. Now, it was refurbished and it looks like really an official website.
Re: [Vo]:ECAT site claims thin Ni layer at center of reactor core
Sun's core operates in even higher pressure! :) 2011/11/17 Ron Wormus prot...@frii.com What makes you think that a plasma is formed in Ross's device? It operates at high pressure (25 Bars) so I doubt that plasma is involved at all.
Re: [Vo]:ECAT site claims thin Ni layer at center of reactor core
Hi, On 17-11-2011 17:44, Ron Wormus wrote: I don't see his current prototypes as having commercial value as the refueling process (every 6 months?) will be very labor intensive for 100+ reactors each buried inside a lead shielded insulated box. Not at all, ever heard of replacement modules? This is very common for many industrial, telecommunication and medical equipment as repairs on site are to time consuming and require usually to specialistic repair tools. Therefore faulty modules are usually exchanged on site with new or refurbished working ones. So the customer has a minimum period of the equipment being out of order. In the mean time the faulty modules are being repaired/refurbished at the factory of the supplier. Of course this requires good and valuable service contracts. Kind regards, MoB
Re: [Vo]:ECAT site claims thin Ni layer at center of reactor core
True enough but the temp is a bit higher. I just don't see igniting a plasma at those pressures with the input power being reported. Ron --On Thursday, November 17, 2011 2:50 PM -0200 Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com wrote: Sun's core operates in even higher pressure! :) 2011/11/17 Ron Wormus prot...@frii.com What makes you think that a plasma is formed in Ross's device? It operates at high pressure (25 Bars) so I doubt that plasma is involved at all.
Re: [Vo]:ECAT site claims thin Ni layer at center of reactor core
May be feasible, but I still see the current designs as prototypes that need a lot more industrial design work. Ron --On Thursday, November 17, 2011 6:09 PM +0100 Man on Bridges manonbrid...@aim.com wrote: Hi, On 17-11-2011 17:44, Ron Wormus wrote: I don't see his current prototypes as having commercial value as the refueling process (every 6 months?) will be very labor intensive for 100+ reactors each buried inside a lead shielded insulated box. Not at all, ever heard of replacement modules? This is very common for many industrial, telecommunication and medical equipment as repairs on site are to time consuming and require usually to specialistic repair tools. Therefore faulty modules are usually exchanged on site with new or refurbished working ones. So the customer has a minimum period of the equipment being out of order. In the mean time the faulty modules are being repaired/refurbished at the factory of the supplier. Of course this requires good and valuable service contracts. Kind regards, MoB
RE: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:ECAT site claims thin Ni layer at center of reactor core
Ron, Temp is an average measurement and varies more and more widely with localization especially, IMHO, when Casimir geometry is involved... fractional hydrogen could achieve these temps where Casimir confinement is most extreme. These hot spots may be what Rossi is both trying to protect and control. Fran -Original Message- From: Ron Wormus [mailto:prot...@frii.com] Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2011 12:22 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:ECAT site claims thin Ni layer at center of reactor core True enough but the temp is a bit higher. I just don't see igniting a plasma at those pressures with the input power being reported. Ron --On Thursday, November 17, 2011 2:50 PM -0200 Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com wrote: Sun's core operates in even higher pressure! :) 2011/11/17 Ron Wormus prot...@frii.com What makes you think that a plasma is formed in Ross's device? It operates at high pressure (25 Bars) so I doubt that plasma is involved at all.
Re: [Vo]:ECAT site claims thin Ni layer at center of reactor core
One indication that speaks against the production of steady state plasma is the pulsed nature of the power fed to the internal heater. The internal heater is most probably made of nichrome. *Nichrome* is a non-magnetic alloy of nickel, chromium, and often iron, usually used as a resistance wire. When the electric power pulses into the internal heater, plasma may form very close to the hot surface of the internal heater. When the power is periodically removed, the plasma very near the surface of the internal heater cools and Rydberg species of some form will assemble into crystals and float throughout the volume of the hydrogen envelop. In a pulsed power feed mode, the power may be high during the on period. However when the power is measured over time, the meter will measure an average power delivered to the heater which will be much less then that maximum power that produced the plasma in burst mode. Also, the temperature of the hydrogen envelope must always remain below the plasma production temperature to avoid a runaway burn up reaction. I conclude from the aforementioned train of thought, the active agent of the Rossi reaction must be stable at low temperatures under that production temperature needed for production of steady state plasma. On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 12:21 PM, Ron Wormus prot...@frii.com wrote: True enough but the temp is a bit higher. I just don't see igniting a plasma at those pressures with the input power being reported. Ron --On Thursday, November 17, 2011 2:50 PM -0200 Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com wrote: Sun's core operates in even higher pressure! :) 2011/11/17 Ron Wormus prot...@frii.com What makes you think that a plasma is formed in Ross's device? It operates at high pressure (25 Bars) so I doubt that plasma is involved at all.
