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2014-03-24 22:15 GMT+01:00 George Holz geh...@optonline.net: misunderstood about the possibility that neutrons may be ignored because of coincidence, we should remind the unavoidable proof by the intern if people survived beside LENR cells, even if there is no working neutron detector, they would be sick, if the branching ratio was usual free space dd fusion.
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Alain Sepeda wrote: about the possibility that neutrons may be ignored because of coincidence, we should remind the unavoidable proof by the intern -if people survived beside LENR cells, even if there is no working neutron detector, they would be sick, if the branching ratio was usual free space dd fusion. I was referring to the large difference in measured neutron counts between different labs using different measurement instruments. The neutron counts in all cases remains in a safe range. If all the heat output were associated with neutron generating reactions it would indeed be deadly. Fortunately this is cold fusion and the total neutron output remains a very small side reaction. -- One other point of interest. Tom Claytor's talk on Recent tritium production from electrically pulsed wires and foils showed the highest outputs when he used NiFe foils made for magnetic shielding applications. I think he mentioned Co-Netic material. Not sure what else is in the alloy. George Holz Varitronics Systems geo...@varisys.com
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-Original Message- From: George Holz One other point of interest. Tom Claytor's talk on Recent tritium production from electrically pulsed wires and foils showed the highest outputs when he used NiFe foils made for magnetic shielding applications. I think he mentioned Co-Netic material. Not sure what else is in the alloy. George, This is good information to try to analyze further, even if the explanation probably played no part whatsoever in this alloy choice for Claytor. Co-Netic AA, is a Mu metal which as best I can tell since the specs do not turn up easily, seems to be nickel(80%)-iron(15%)-molybdenum(5%) with permeability of 30,000 or more. It is high nickel, but notably for those who have not written of Randell Mills, there is the Moly content (which as the +2 ion is the very best, in the sense of lowest IP catalytic fit of all catalysts), plus it has four other deeper Rydberg levels for a total of 5 making it the most catalytic of all transition metals (according to my Mills CQM table 5.3). In Mills past experiments, having many catalysts working together seems to be highly preferable to having only a few - and nickel and iron both have multiple Rydberg levels. All in all, from a Mills perspective, Co-Netic AA would provide 9 unique Rydberg multiples ! Claytor probably saw a correlation between tritium production and magnetic permeability - and chose this alloy for that reason, since not many practitioners follow both LENR and Mills for guidance - but the moly content could be what makes this alloy superior. If only Mills could show something more impressive than a modified seam welder, he might get a bit more respect in LENR... Jones attachment: winmail.dat
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Here are a few of my thoughts after attending all three days of 2014 CF/LENR meeting at MIT. For Jed; you know I have been following Mizuno's work since ICCF14 and the results are now possibly the most significant of the conference from a practical point of view. You would not have had to worry about gaining weight at this meeting. Sandwiches, chips, cookies and soda in the hall outside the new and very comfortable lecture hall with no food allowed inside. No ICCF, this was a low overhead operation. From a technical viewpoint I found Peter Hagelstein's four talks extremely Interesting. They were essentially all aimed at showing that coherent energy transfer is necessary to explain transmutation results. The initial talk described work with Fran Tanzella in which a thin copper disk vibrated by an electric field at IIRC 15 MHz produced about 1.5 Kev xrays only after being coated with a thin film of mercury. The explanation is too complex for my two finger typing speed, but it involves an attempt to understand a Karabut gas discharge experiment which created collimated xrays from metal disks. This experiment is about inverse fractionation, the reverse of the fractionation that must occur if cold fusion reactions are to avoid creating high energy gamma radiation. The existing long life excited state in the mercury at the emission energy/frequency is required. I started to try repeating Peter's geophysical arguments about transmutation In the earth's crust but it gets very long and requires much evidence to gain any plausibility. You will have to wait for the video at Cold Fusion Now. As usual much of the most interesting information was shared in conversations between 2 to 6 people in the halls and during meals. Pam Mosier-Boss and Larry Forsley made a point that I had not fully appreciated before. The wide variation in CF neutron counts between various experimental groups is probably due to the type of counters used. Many counters are designed to deliberately reject large numbers of coincident counts to avoid counting charged particles and gammas. The radiation they found is not inconsistent with normal fusion branching ratios but the amount is so small that it is not telling us much about the main heat producing reaction. My MIT degree was over 50 years ago in EE and I have worked with low energy plasmas and optics for many years but my nuclear physics is limited and out of date. I may have misunderstood much of what I heard at the colloquium. George Holz Varitronics Systems geo...@varisys.com
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George Holz geh...@optonline.net wrote: You would not have had to worry about gaining weight at this meeting. Sandwiches, chips, cookies and soda in the hall outside the new and very comfortable lecture hall with no food allowed inside. As Frankenstein's monster explained: Smoke -- good. Fire -- good. Excess heat -- goo-o-o-od. Gain weight -- baa-a-a-d. - Jed
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Hagelstein: puzzling over Carpintieri granite fracture experiments seeing neutrons, excess aluminum and deficient iron. Conjectures lattice vibrations (induced by megahertz acoustic signal at moment of fracture) causing coherent LENR associated fission driven by inverse fractionation. Fractionation is his term for quantum explanation for thermalization of LENR associated energetic particles and gammas Steve High
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Larry Forsley: an asset to LENR because he comes from hot fusion world. He is not afraid of neutrons and saw quite a lot of them when he placed CR39 detector in close proximity to codeposition produced palladium LENR reactor. Just got a text telling me my sons wife is apparently pregnant. What a morning! Steve High On Mar 23, 2014, at 10:01 AM, Steve High diamondweb...@gmail.com wrote: Hagelstein: puzzling over Carpintieri granite fracture experiments seeing neutrons, excess aluminum and deficient iron. Conjectures lattice vibrations (induced by megahertz acoustic signal at moment of fracture) causing coherent LENR associated fission driven by inverse fractionation. Fractionation is his term for quantum explanation for thermalization of LENR associated energetic particles and gammas Steve High
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Steve High diamondweb...@gmail.com wrote: Hagelstein: puzzling over Carpintieri granite fracture experiments seeing neutrons, excess aluminum and deficient iron. Conjectures lattice vibrations (induced by megahertz acoustic signal at moment of fracture) causing coherent LENR associated fission . . . Conjecture: instrument noise caused by all that banging and vibration. I have heard those detectors are finicky. - Jed
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Steve High diamondweb...@gmail.com wrote: Just got a text telling me my sons wife is apparently pregnant. What a morning! Mazel Tov! - Jed
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John C Fisher. Undergraduate at MIT in the forties!!! He says he's he solved the LENR quandary with polyneutron theory. A clump of naked neutrons sitting in lattice. Absorbs deuterium atoms and spits out hydrogen atoms plus energy. (Then the hydrogen atoms recombine to hydrogen molecules) A real outlier model but it would correlate Mizuno's news of yesterday that the final gas product from his reactor has an atomic number of two which would likely be hydrogen molecules. Audience respectful of an impressively sharp performance from a man who has to be in his mid nineties. The audience objects that the binding force that would hold a polyneutron together is unknown. Fisher points out that the binding force that holds a deuteron together is unknown. Steve High
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On Sun, Mar 23, 2014 at 10:25 AM, Steve High diamondweb...@gmail.com wrote: Just got a text telling me my sons wife is apparently pregnant. What a morning! Congratulations, grandpa. How many does that make? (I have four.)
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Hagelstein said a bubble chamber across the lab turned cloudy-after the neutrons traversed his midsection. There was no earthquake to cloudify the chamber. He's satisfied it is real Steve High On Mar 23, 2014, at 10:29 AM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Steve High diamondweb...@gmail.com wrote: Hagelstein: puzzling over Carpintieri granite fracture experiments seeing neutrons, excess aluminum and deficient iron. Conjectures lattice vibrations (induced by megahertz acoustic signal at moment of fracture) causing coherent LENR associated fission . . . Conjecture: instrument noise caused by all that banging and vibration. I have heard those detectors are finicky. - Jed
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First time for me and my boys are in their thirties. Hope restored Steve High On Mar 23, 2014, at 12:39 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Mar 23, 2014 at 10:25 AM, Steve High diamondweb...@gmail.com wrote: Just got a text telling me my sons wife is apparently pregnant. What a morning! Congratulations, grandpa. How many does that make? (I have four.)
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-Original Message- From: Steve High Fisher points out that the binding force that holds a deuteron together is unknown. Since when? Binding energy of deuteron 2.224589 ± 0.02 MeV
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Got it. Well nobody in the audience challenged his response, perhaps out of deference. Steve High On Mar 23, 2014, at 1:02 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: -Original Message- From: Steve High Fisher points out that the binding force that holds a deuteron together is unknown. Since when? Binding energy of deuteron 2.224589 ± 0.02 MeV
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Actually Fisher challenged the audience to name the theory that explains the binding of a deuteron and no hands were raised. I am a doctor of humans and not fisicks so I will defer further comment on the matter to you. The word for polyneutrons that I heard in the men's washroom was unobservium Steve High On Mar 23, 2014, at 1:02 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: -Original Message- From: Steve High Fisher points out that the binding force that holds a deuteron together is unknown. Since when? Binding energy of deuteron 2.224589 ± 0.02 MeV
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Steve-- Gluons would mediated the force holding neutrons together. They do it for protons and neutrons in a nucleus. Is there a good model of the gluon wave function and what its dimensional influence might be? A neutron is a Fermi particle I think. The group of neutrons could be no more than a BEC of pairs of neutrons, maybe Cooper pairs coupled with spins in opposite directions. There would have to be an even number of neutrons in any group, however. Thus, 2 neutrons would have to react at once if any new particle or particles are formed. If deuterons were also in the BEC as Kim postulates would be possible (deuterons and paired neutrons are both Bose particles or Bose quasi-particles.) Was there radiation emitted in Fisher model? Bob - Original Message - From: Steve High diamondweb...@gmail.com To: Vortex vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2014 9:38 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]:MIT Sunday Morning John C Fisher. Undergraduate at MIT in the forties!!! He says he's he solved the LENR quandary with polyneutron theory. A clump of naked neutrons sitting in lattice. Absorbs deuterium atoms and spits out hydrogen atoms plus energy. (Then the hydrogen atoms recombine to hydrogen molecules) A real outlier model but it would correlate Mizuno's news of yesterday that the final gas product from his reactor has an atomic number of two which would likely be hydrogen molecules. Audience respectful of an impressively sharp performance from a man who has to be in his mid nineties. The audience objects that the binding force that would hold a polyneutron together is unknown. Fisher points out that the binding force that holds a deuteron together is unknown. Steve High
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Here is Fisher's theory. http://www.lenr-canr.org/acrobat/FisherJCpolyneutroa.pdf It is hard to take seriously since he fails to adequately address the lack of gamma radiation. However, as a firm believer in many routes to thermal gain this could be one more which has some relevance. -Original Message- From: Steve High Actually Fisher challenged the audience to name the theory that explains the binding of a deuteron and no hands were raised. I am a doctor of humans and not fisicks so I will defer further comment on the matter to you. The word for polyneutrons that I heard in the men's washroom was unobservium Steve High Fisher points out that the binding force that holds a deuteron together is unknown. Since when? Binding energy of deuteron 2.224589 ± 0.02 MeV attachment: winmail.dat
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Bob Smith says the ideal configuration for an LENR reactor would be a Menger Sponge a fractal affair with infinite surface area and well-configured for cooling. Not sure how to add a link for sponge image but it looks like it would be comfortable in an MC Escher sketchbook Steve High
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Re: Was there radiation emitted in Fisher model? Loads of 14MEV (or was it 1.4?) shooting every which way as I recall Steve High On Mar 23, 2014, at 1:35 PM, Bob Cook frobertc...@hotmail.com wrote: Was there radiation emitted in Fisher model?
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On Sun, Mar 23, 2014 at 1:59 PM, Steve High diamondweb...@gmail.com wrote: Bob Smith says the ideal configuration for an LENR reactor would be a Menger Sponge a fractal affair with infinite surface area and well-configured for cooling. Not sure how to add a link for sponge image but it looks like it would be comfortable in an MC Escher sketchbook Google yields many images http://goo.gl/4qkvfZ
