RE: [Vo]:MgH2 as hydrogen source
Jones, I just wanted to remind all of the 3rd alternative which is a QM based exploitation of Zero Point posited in Jan Naudts paper , Moller's MAHG , Haisch Moddel prototype, and Cavity QED by Zofia Bialynicka-Birula. The QM represents the accumulation and segregation of dispersion forces without any need for gravitational gradients like we are accustomed to at the macro scale and the migrating gases represent our linkage to HUP resulting in chaotic motion and where atomic or molecular configuration represents our opportunity to organize and exploit an asymmetry. The sudden breach in isotropy that Zofia mentions in cavity QED is not an isolated incident but rather an entire tapestry of sudden jumps in suppression level being constantly experienced by gas atoms loaded into the Ni lattice, defects or powders associated with this anomaly. The disassociation threshold represents an opportunity to rectify the chaotic motion of gas into heat energy. In this theory the quiescence you mention is a runaway condition where the enabling tapestry - geometry melts or grows cat whiskers that short circuit the suppression. I am not challenging that tunneling occurs and in fact would better explain the small amounts of transmuted elements discovered as a small side effect of the Zero Point energy in runaway. Regards Fran From: Jay Caplan [mailto:uniqueprodu...@comcast.net] Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2012 5:49 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: EXTERNAL: [Vo]:MgH2 as hydrogen source I'd like to solicit comments from the list re the Chan/Phen/Ortiz postings using MgH2 as H source http://www.ecatplanet.net/showthread.php?100-Chan-Method-of-Ni-H-fusion as it would pertain to QM theory, to thermonuclear processes, and to the noted 'quiescence.' - Original Message - From: Jones Beenemailto:jone...@pacbell.net To: vortex-l@eskimo.commailto:vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2012 3:26 PM Subject: RE: [Vo]:Rossi's Best Chance Mark, The first question that must be answered is: it the Ni-H phenomena Quantum Mechanical in nature, or is it Thermonuclear, on a reduced scale? There are some that still believe Ni-H is thermonuclear and in fact, Pd-D could be. In fact W-L theory tries hard not to be forced into making that decision, and has QM features - but if the defining detail of that theory involves neutrons, neutron capture - and subsequent weak-force reactions, just as are seen in traditional physics - then it is a thermonuclear theory. Theories that involve tunneling of protons in one form or another are QM based - if no neutron is involved. QM is normally too low in probability to account for much heat. But one aftermath of the development of the modern CPU by Intel and others is that QM tunneling (of electrons) can be engineer and optimized to occur at very high rates. A CPU operating a 2 GHz will have electrons tunneling in predictable fashion the high terahertz range. The CPU is a QM electron tunneling device operating at high probability. The CPU is a good model to use for proton tunneling - where instead of a small chip needing to shed 30 watts of heat (and not gainful) you have much more heat, and importantly it is anomalous due to the tunneling. If there is gain, then it must be defined. Without going into great detail on defining the gain for now, except to say that it comes from the mass of the proton, and it comes without much radiation or transmutation (some of each, but way too little to account for the gain), then it is easier to account for the quiescence phenomenon. Stated simply, quiescence involves too much depletion in the mass of the hydrogen so that the high level of probability of tunneling is reduced. This is where anything that relates to QM probability come in, and you have already found papers suggestive of a few of these factors. Rossi has designed a reactor where hydrogen is not circulated and it is likely that he could eliminate the problem with periodic dumping of H2 and reloading (every few hours) on a set schedule. There is evidence that DGT may be doing this already. Jones From: Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint If quiescence is a reality, and *if* it will require a scientific/QM understanding, the I don't think any amount of 'control engineering' is going to be much help... one will need to find out the cause of the quiescence, which is a physics problem... If the quiescence is of a reasonable periodic nature (i.e., repeatable), or if it gives you adequate 'warning' that it has started, then one could have 2 or 3 reactor cores inside, only one of which is 'running'. When it begins to go into quiescence, one then starts up one of the 'idle' cores... while shutting down the quiescent one. This is a brainless kind of solution, and wouldn't work if the quiescent core needs to be unassembled in order to make it 'ignite' again. If reactive capability can be reinstated by shocking it with a hi-V pulse
RE: [Vo]:MgH2 as hydrogen source
Fran, I fully agree that any QM explanation supports the Casimir cavity interpretation, and even fractional hydrogen and IRH, if you throw out most of Mills' fluff (he claims not to believe in QM and then goes on to reword it). That QM explanation supports the Casimir cavity interpretation pretty much goes without saying. The only two things which are mutually exclusive are . well . let's say that nothing is ruled out, at this stage. It is pretty hard to cover all the bases with a short posting. To be honest, I was 'fishing' for an expert opinion - and hoping that Jay or anyone else on Vo has additional input to share on how and why QM/QED and especially QCD can be relevant to Ni-H (as an alternative to a purely thermonuclear explanation, or W-L bogosity). This is all newer stuff. Some of it is not even being taught yet at the University level. I have talked to experienced physicists whose eyes glaze-over when you mention QCD. Jones From: Roarty, Francis X Jones, I just wanted to remind all of the 3rd alternative which is a QM based exploitation of Zero Point posited in Jan Naudts paper , Moller's MAHG , Haisch Moddel prototype, and Cavity QED by Zofia Bialynicka-Birula. The QM represents the accumulation and segregation of dispersion forces without any need for gravitational gradients like we are accustomed to at the macro scale and the migrating gases represent our linkage to HUP resulting in chaotic motion and where a tomic or molecular configuration represents our opportunity to organize and exploit an asymmetry. The sudden breach in isotropy that Zofia mentions in cavity QED is not an isolated incident but rather an entire tapestry of sudden jumps in suppression level being constantly experienced by gas atoms loaded into the Ni lattice, defects or powders associated with this anomaly. The disassociation threshold represents an opportunity to rectify the chaotic motion of gas into heat energy. In this theory the quiescence you mention is a runaway condition where the enabling tapestry - geometry melts or grows cat whiskers that short circuit the suppression. I am not challenging that tunneling occurs and in fact would better explain the small amounts of transmuted elements discovered as a small side effect of the Zero Point energy in runaway. Regards Fran
[Vo]:MgH2 as hydrogen source
I'd like to solicit comments from the list re the Chan/Phen/Ortiz postings using MgH2 as H source http://www.ecatplanet.net/showthread.php?100-Chan-Method-of-Ni-H-fusion as it would pertain to QM theory, to thermonuclear processes, and to the noted 'quiescence.' - Original Message - From: Jones Beene To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2012 3:26 PM Subject: RE: [Vo]:Rossi's Best Chance Mark, The first question that must be answered is: it the Ni-H phenomena Quantum Mechanical in nature, or is it Thermonuclear, on a reduced scale? There are some that still believe Ni-H is thermonuclear and in fact, Pd-D could be. In fact W-L theory tries hard not to be forced into making that decision, and has QM features - but if the defining detail of that theory involves neutrons, neutron capture - and subsequent weak-force reactions, just as are seen in traditional physics - then it is a thermonuclear theory. Theories that involve tunneling of protons in one form or another are QM based - if no neutron is involved. QM is normally too low in probability to account for much heat. But one aftermath of the development of the modern CPU by Intel and others is that QM tunneling (of electrons) can be engineer and optimized to occur at very high rates. A CPU operating a 2 GHz will have electrons tunneling in predictable fashion the high terahertz range. The CPU is a QM electron tunneling device operating at high probability. The CPU is a good model to use for proton tunneling - where instead of a small chip needing to shed 30 watts of heat (and not gainful) you have much more heat, and importantly it is anomalous due to the tunneling. If there is gain, then it must be defined. Without going into great detail on defining the gain for now, except to say that it comes from the mass of the proton, and it comes without much radiation or transmutation (some of each, but way too little to account for the gain), then it is easier to account for the quiescence phenomenon. Stated simply, quiescence involves too much depletion in the mass of the hydrogen so that the high level of probability of tunneling is reduced. This is where anything that relates to QM probability come in, and you have already found papers suggestive of a few of these factors. Rossi has designed a reactor where hydrogen is not circulated and it is likely that he could eliminate the problem with periodic dumping of H2 and reloading (every few hours) on a set schedule. There is evidence that DGT may be doing this already. Jones From: Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint If quiescence is a reality, and *if* it will require a scientific/QM understanding, the I don't think any amount of 'control engineering' is going to be much help. one will need to find out the cause of the quiescence, which is a physics problem. If the quiescence is of a reasonable periodic nature (i.e., repeatable), or if it gives you adequate 'warning' that it has started, then one could have 2 or 3 reactor cores inside, only one of which is 'running'. When it begins to go into quiescence, one then starts up one of the 'idle' cores. while shutting down the quiescent one. This is a brainless kind of solution, and wouldn't work if the quiescent core needs to be unassembled in order to make it 'ignite' again. If reactive capability can be reinstated by shocking it with a hi-V pulse or cycling H2 pressure, things like that, then it could be automated and done while in-situ. These are engineering problems, not scientific ones. -m
RE: [Vo]:MgH2 as hydrogen source
Jay, Interesting idea, but Chan raises many red flags. Are there pictures? Video? Website? Can you explain how MgH2 would relate to QM in particular? From: Jay Caplan I'd like to solicit comments from the list re the Chan/Phen/Ortiz postings using MgH2 as H source http://www.ecatplanet.net/showthread.php?100-Chan-Method-of-Ni-H-fusion as it would pertain to QM theory, to thermonuclear processes, and to the noted 'quiescence.'
RE: [Vo]:MgH2 as hydrogen source
Chan has put up a website, but there's nothing there yet. claims he's too busy to engage in conversations. http://chanfusionpower.chan.host-ed.me/ -m From: Jones Beene [mailto:jone...@pacbell.net] Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2012 3:18 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: RE: [Vo]:MgH2 as hydrogen source Jay, Interesting idea, but Chan raises many red flags. Are there pictures? Video? Website? Can you explain how MgH2 would relate to QM in particular? From: Jay Caplan I'd like to solicit comments from the list re the Chan/Phen/Ortiz postings using MgH2 as H source http://www.ecatplanet.net/showthread.php?100-Chan-Method-of-Ni-H-fusion as it would pertain to QM theory, to thermonuclear processes, and to the noted 'quiescence.'
Re: [Vo]:MgH2 as hydrogen source
No, I can't explain if there is any significance to the MgH2 as to QM; I'm probably hunkered down in the thermonuclear camp, sorry. As to the Chan/Phen/Ortiz postings, they are totally unsupported, but my experience of working with backyard 'engineers' and the language they used suggests to me that they are reporting actual results - I would not disregard the postings out of hand. The rate constants of H from MgH2 may be their key. H2 gas may form hot spots that melt the nano tubercules, whereas slow H from dispersed MgH2 may not. Also, not handling gaseous H2 simplifies the entire perspective. - Original Message - From: Jones Beene To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2012 5:17 PM Subject: RE: [Vo]:MgH2 as hydrogen source Jay, Interesting idea, but Chan raises many red flags. Are there pictures? Video? Website? Can you explain how MgH2 would relate to QM in particular? From: Jay Caplan I'd like to solicit comments from the list re the Chan/Phen/Ortiz postings using MgH2 as H source http://www.ecatplanet.net/showthread.php?100-Chan-Method-of-Ni-H-fusion as it would pertain to QM theory, to thermonuclear processes, and to the noted 'quiescence.'
