Re: [Vo]:OT: $35 computer sells out on first day of launch
2012/3/2 Bastiaan Bergman bastiaan.berg...@gmail.com more
Re: [Vo]:OT: $35 computer sells out on first day of launch
2012/3/2 Bastiaan Bergman bastiaan.berg...@gmail.com J There are reactions thinkable that do comply with conservation laws for energy/mass/momentum yet emit their energy in the form of phonons (lattice vibrations) and have no neutrons left over. just a detail, because this argument is sometime used that neutrons are seldom detected, and not at the level matching the power does not mean that there are no neutron detected. it only mean that they are absorbed before detection, or not enough energetic to be detected. this is the basic of widom-larsen arguments. about gamma, the heavy electrons could absorbs them (they exists in som non-LENR, mainstream, experiments- cited by larsen in his slides) anyway D+D fusion does not work as an explanation for reason near what you say. DD will emit fast neutrons, to be detected, and hard gamma, that heavy electrons cannot convert to UV/IR/phonons and branching ration have no convincing reason to change from known values. moreover transmutation are the best proof that very slow neutrons are behind LENR... created like WL says or not, it seems ultra-slow neutrons or similar are requireds
Re: [Vo]:OT: $35 computer sells out on first day of launch
Jones, I respect you too, but also disagree, :-) Real fusion cannot occur without substantial gamma radiation What a nonsense is that? If you mean with real, established, then ok. I think there is no principal reason for gamma and neutron radiation in all fusion reactions (there is in plasma D-D fusion). There are reactions thinkable that do comply with conservation laws for energy/mass/momentum yet emit their energy in the form of phonons (lattice vibrations) and have no neutrons left over. I do agree with you that completely other things are thinkable (zero-point, hydrino's,.. etc. the sky is the limit if you allow yourself to break the laws.). I still don't get why Widom-Larsen claim their theory is not fusion, they have more details about the reaction mechanism, right or wrong, the energy still comes from the lower binding energy that lesserbigger nuclei have, aka fusion. Yes, Cold Fusion stinks but I have no problem getting over it, if it actually works. (if!) Cheers. On Thu, Mar 1, 2012 at 3:09 AM, Andre Blum andre_vor...@blums.nl wrote: reply to list my earlier message as I sent this to Guenter only due to his reply-to address On 02/29/2012 09:04 PM, Andre Blum wrote: Jones, I respect You, but here You are on the wrong track. This device is not intended to have any real-world-interfacing. It is located in a virtual world with only indirect interfacing to the r-w via USB. Look at olimexino and its relatives, how this is done. This is just 80MHz compared to the fancy 800MHz, but the difference is, that You talk to the 'world' (TM) with 80MHz, compared to 'Yourself ' (no TM) with 800MHz. So what is the difference, exactly? The device *does* have real world interfacing. In fact it has plenty. It has 2 i2c ports, SPI, UART, (not sure, but I believe also analog in), many GPIO's. It does however only have only 26 pins that you have to find a right muxing for to map them to your function. An arduino duemilanove has about the same # pins. A beaglebone has more like 80 of them. Arduino-like devices are very nice, too, and cheap. And you are right that you could use it just as well for controlling this kind of setups. Then, to control the arduino, you would need a computer for the necessary 'human interfacing'. With the idea in mind that people might actually want to have more than one peerpressure setup (for example for Defkalion-like inert/loaded comparisons), it is wise to have stand-alone controllers that can be managed over a web interface and also optionally can contact the internet database servers with their results on their own. Also, it is a matter of taste, but in my eyes a big pro that you can program these ARM devices like you can program your PC: use python, java, proper operating system calls, multitasking, memory allocation, nice storage support, etc.
Re: [Vo]:OT: $35 computer sells out on first day of launch
reply to list my earlier message as I sent this to Guenter only due to his reply-to address On 02/29/2012 09:04 PM, Andre Blum wrote: Jones, I respect You, but here You are on the wrong track. This device is not intended to have any real-world-interfacing. It is located in a virtual world with only indirect interfacing to the r-w via USB. Look at olimexino and its relatives, how this is done. This is just 80MHz compared to the fancy 800MHz, but the difference is, that You talk to the 'world' (TM) with 80MHz, compared to 'Yourself ' (no TM) with 800MHz. So what is the difference, exactly? The device *does* have real world interfacing. In fact it has plenty. It has 2 i2c ports, SPI, UART, (not sure, but I believe also analog in), many GPIO's. It does however only have only 26 pins that you have to find a right muxing for to map them to your function. An arduino duemilanove has about the same # pins. A beaglebone has more like 80 of them. Arduino-like devices are very nice, too, and cheap. And you are right that you could use it just as well for controlling this kind of setups. Then, to control the arduino, you would need a computer for the necessary 'human interfacing'. With the idea in mind that people might actually want to have more than one peerpressure setup (for example for Defkalion-like inert/loaded comparisons), it is wise to have stand-alone controllers that can be managed over a web interface and also optionally can contact the internet database servers with their results on their own. Also, it is a matter of taste, but in my eyes a big pro that you can program these ARM devices like you can program your PC: use python, java, proper operating system calls, multitasking, memory allocation, nice storage support, etc.
RE: [Vo]:OT: $35 computer sells out on first day of launch
Yikes - this is not OT at all. How can they do it for the price? This could kill a big chunk of the Pic and Arduino market for microcontrollers, with a few changes. Don't be surprised if your new Ni-H system is controlled by something similar. -Original Message- From: OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson This might be of interest to some here as well! Tiny $35 Raspberry Pi computer causes big stir on launch day http://www.cnn.com/2012/02/29/tech/raspberry-pi-launch/index.html?hpt=hp_bn6 Excerpt: (CNN) -- The tiny $35 Raspberry Pi computer went on sale today, crashing its distributors' websites on the way to selling out within hours of launch. attachment: winmail.dat
Re: [Vo]:OT: $35 computer sells out on first day of launch
The broadcom chip on there is of the kind that is in your iphone and other smartphones. They are SoC's (system-on-a-chip), meaning all peripherals are on the chip. If you look at the board you will see that there is almost no other glue, than just what is needed to go to the various connectors. The iphone and android success and the competition between them has made these chips really, really cheap. Also, the raspi foundation is a charity organization that intends to bring kids back to the commodore 64 spirit, and it does not care much for much margin. In fact, where you say that the Ni-H system can be controlled by something similar, you are spot on: the fusioncatalyst.org open source initiative that Bastiaan announced will use the beaglebone, which is a very similar device, and uses the same ARM CPU core. It is here on my desk, has tons of I/O pins and works great. The raspi is just a bit short on I/O pins, but, who knows. I intend to buy some of them anyway :-) Andre On 02/29/2012 02:43 PM, Jones Beene wrote: Yikes - this is not OT at all. How can they do it for the price? This could kill a big chunk of the Pic and Arduino market for microcontrollers, with a few changes. Don't be surprised if your new Ni-H system is controlled by something similar. -Original Message- From: OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson This might be of interest to some here as well! Tiny $35 Raspberry Pi computer causes big stir on launch day http://www.cnn.com/2012/02/29/tech/raspberry-pi-launch/index.html?hpt=hp_bn6 Excerpt: (CNN) -- The tiny $35 Raspberry Pi computer went on sale today, crashing its distributors' websites on the way to selling out within hours of launch.
Re: [Vo]:OT: $35 computer sells out on first day of launch
The funny thing is that Intel some years ago sold its own ARM design the Xscale because it was not profitable. I think that now that ARM is the most common CPU around, they are biting their own hands. ARM history is really interesting and shows how a very innovative technology can come close to extinction if the market is not yet ready. The greatest innovation of RISC and most notably ARM design is the much lower cost of development, and production, yet it had to wait something like 20 years to have its revenge. mic Il 29 febbraio 2012 20:08, Andre Blum andre_vor...@blums.nl ha scritto: The broadcom chip on there is of the kind that is in your iphone and other smartphones. They are SoC's (system-on-a-chip), meaning all peripherals are on the chip. If you look at the board you will see that there is almost no other glue, than just what is needed to go to the various connectors. The iphone and android success and the competition between them has made these chips really, really cheap. Also, the raspi foundation is a charity organization that intends to bring kids back to the commodore 64 spirit, and it does not care much for much margin. In fact, where you say that the Ni-H system can be controlled by something similar, you are spot on: the fusioncatalyst.org open source initiative that Bastiaan announced will use the beaglebone, which is a very similar device, and uses the same ARM CPU core. It is here on my desk, has tons of I/O pins and works great. The raspi is just a bit short on I/O pins, but, who knows. I intend to buy some of them anyway :-) Andre On 02/29/2012 02:43 PM, Jones Beene wrote: Yikes - this is not OT at all. How can they do it for the price? This could kill a big chunk of the Pic and Arduino market for microcontrollers, with a few changes. Don't be surprised if your new Ni-H system is controlled by something similar. -Original Message- From: OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson This might be of interest to some here as well! Tiny $35 Raspberry Pi computer causes big stir on launch day http://www.cnn.com/2012/02/29/tech/raspberry-pi-launch/index.html?hpt=hp_bn6 Excerpt: (CNN) -- The tiny $35 Raspberry Pi computer went on sale today, crashing its distributors' websites on the way to selling out within hours of launch.
RE: [Vo]:OT: $35 computer sells out on first day of launch
Andre, AB: the fusioncatalyst.org open source initiative that Bastiaan announced will use the beaglebone, which is a very similar device, and uses the same ARM CPU core. It is here on my desk, has tons of I/O pins and works great. Thanks for mentioning this again. I must have missed it the first time around. My only quibble with this important initiative and mission is the assumption of nuclear fusion which is prominently featured. Since this term has a precise meaning in physics, and yet it may not be indicative of the actual mechanism at play in whatever system emerges as the primary way to produce excess heat, it could be a mistake to feature it so prominently, IMO. Following Fuku, there is a lot of knee-jerk negativity towards anything that smacks of toxic radiation. There is close to zero independent evidence of gammas, neutrons, helium, tritium, 3He or any of the other indicia of hydrogen based fusion in ongoing operation of a device. Celani has made an anecdotal claim which may relate to startup only. Many of us suspect a new kind of quasi-nuclear reaction which will not be called fusion in the end. The terms quasi-nuclear or supra-chemical related to a mechanism where inner electron orbitals (as opposed to valence electrons) are involved (as in the Mössbauer effect) yet the ultimate energy source does relate to conversion of nuclear mass to energy, but in a way that does not usually involve significant gamma radiation. Real fusion cannot occur without substantial gamma radiation, and this cannot be shielded with a miniscule amount of lead. Anyway - other than that quibble, this is a very important initiative, and let's hope it gains momentum. Prior to hearing about the ‘beaglebone’ I was thinking about the Raspi as possibly a front-end for another similar sized board, which would have the I/O and other A/D parts and the relays needed to collect and control a fair number of inputs – temp, pressure, and so on. This would include the enigmatic RF generator, if this turns out to be an efficient way to stimulate the reaction. Jones attachment: winmail.dat
Re: [Vo]:OT: $35 computer sells out on first day of launch
Von: Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net An: vortex-l@eskimo.com Gesendet: 0:10 Donnerstag, 1.März 2012 Betreff: RE: [Vo]:OT: $35 computer sells out on first day of launch Prior to hearing about the ‘beaglebone’ I was thinking about the Raspi as possibly a front-end for another similar sized board, which would have the I/O and other A/D parts and the relays needed to collect and control a fair number of inputs – temp, pressure, and so on. ... Jones ## Jones, I respect You, but here You are on the wrong track. This device is not intended to have any real-world-interfacing. It is located in a virtual world with only indirect interfacing to the r-w via USB. Look at olimexino and its relatives, how this is done. This is just 80MHz compared to the fancy 800MHz, but the difference is, that You talk to the 'world' (TM) with 80MHz, compared to 'Yourself ' (no TM) with 800MHz. So what is the difference, exactly?
RE: [Vo]:OT: $35 computer sells out on first day of launch
Hi Günter, But the specs I saw mentioned Ethernet, which is a bit faster, but if not– do we really care about “real world” interfacing in this situation? It would seem that the ability to control a complex local mechanism at even 80 MHz for a fraction of the cost of previous state-of-the-art controllers, is something to get excited about, no? This device is not intended to have any real-world-interfacing. It is located in a virtual world with only indirect interfacing to the r-w via USB. Look at olimexino and its relatives, how this is done. This is just 80MHz compared to the fancy 800MHz, but the difference is, that You talk to the 'world' (TM) with 80MHz, compared to 'Yourself ' (no TM) with 800MHz. So what is the difference, exactly? attachment: winmail.dat
