[Vo]:Re: CE4
Well spotted in any case! BTW Ron hasn't answered my question unless I missed it: what does he measure on the 1 ohm resistors, just input and output currents, or...? Maybe someone else knows the answer? Michel - Original Message - From: Hoyt A. Stearns Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 5:52 AM Subject: RE: [Vo]: CE4 Hi Dr. B. I haven't looked at the project at all yet, being too busy with my Steorn and Noether's theorem experiments, as well as some activity with some new tip propulsion helicopter activity. I guess I'll get to it eventually. There's just so much material to investigate ( good or bad thing depending on how you look at it ( It sure keeps us active and alive! ) :-) :-( ). Hoyt Stearns Scottsdale, Arizona http://HoytStearns.com -Original Message- From: Jones Beene [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2007 4:29 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]: CE4 So Hoyt -- Have you replicated this circuit using a cannibalized TV xtal ? Hoyt A. Stearns Jr. wrote: 3.58 MHz is probably a rounded version of 3.579545, the most common xtal in the world -- the NTSC color subcarrier frequency. Hoyt Stearns Scottsdale, Arizona http://HoytStearns.com I will show that later (a 5V dip oscillator), this should solves a bit of the trouble with the gen drift. What about a X-tal OC for generating a signal at a specific frequency : http://www.t-mallusa.com/product_info.php?products_id=2894878 Two problems - there is none available AFAIK which oscillates at *exactly* the frequency you found for your circuit 3.58 MHz, but assuming that one can adjust the core (filing), or the windings or the beads in the circuit in order to match the OC frequency - this one might be more efficient than the 5V , as it is a lower voltage part (3.3).
[Vo]:Re: CE4
Who's speaking? ;-) Ron, you should really sign your posts, they will get you all the same... I still don't get it, you measure voltage drop on (V) and current through (I) each 1 ohm? (that on the input circuit, and that on the output circuit). And what do you do with those? Suggestion: you should show the measuring resistors and indicate the various signals on your circuit diagram. Michel - Original Message - From: EnergyLab [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 3:23 PM Subject: RE: [Vo]:Re: CE4 Michel; Sorry, but I'm not paying attention to much of anything other than trying to do what is normal and get the web page populated with information. I feel its counter productive to answer on an individual level until I present all available info in ONE place. Already there is so many bits and pieces around the net, some partly complete, some incomplete and some just plain wrong. In short the SS site will be the answer location. I have found it much better to just delete my mail for awhile, but I do scan where possible for ones I should maybe answer. Your question - The answer is the impedance of the secondary is well above 10meg ohm (maybe more in #4) and even a 2cm bare wire added to it upsets the readings and available power. The 10meg is a value obtained from an earlier work that will also be on the page (when finished). For why I only measure VI on a 1ohm is that the reading is in phase there. Scope readings are out of the question on the circuit shown in video #4 and there is no cap present at the output of the rectifiers. With other more productive circuits other measurements are maybe a bit better, but anything on the secondary is IFFY. I have a number of cultures to view that have been on hold for two may hours now, so things are not moving at the speed people want (so it appears). -Original Message- From: Michel Jullian [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 3:53 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: [Vo]:Re: CE4 Well spotted in any case! BTW Ron hasn't answered my question unless I missed it: what does he measure on the 1 ohm resistors, just input and output currents, or...? Maybe someone else knows the answer? Michel - Original Message - From: Hoyt A. Stearns Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 5:52 AM Subject: RE: [Vo]: CE4 Hi Dr. B. I haven't looked at the project at all yet, being too busy with my Steorn and Noether's theorem experiments, as well as some activity with some new tip propulsion helicopter activity. I guess I'll get to it eventually. There's just so much material to investigate ( good or bad thing depending on how you look at it ( It sure keeps us active and alive! ) :-) :-( ). Hoyt Stearns Scottsdale, Arizona http://HoytStearns.com -Original Message- From: Jones Beene [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2007 4:29 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]: CE4 So Hoyt -- Have you replicated this circuit using a cannibalized TV xtal ? Hoyt A. Stearns Jr. wrote: 3.58 MHz is probably a rounded version of 3.579545, the most common xtal in the world -- the NTSC color subcarrier frequency. Hoyt Stearns Scottsdale, Arizona http://HoytStearns.com I will show that later (a 5V dip oscillator), this should solves a bit of the trouble with the gen drift. What about a X-tal OC for generating a signal at a specific frequency : http://www.t-mallusa.com/product_info.php?products_id=2894878 Two problems - there is none available AFAIK which oscillates at *exactly* the frequency you found for your circuit 3.58 MHz, but assuming that one can adjust the core (filing), or the windings or the beads in the circuit in order to match the OC frequency - this one might be more efficient than the 5V , as it is a lower voltage part (3.3). No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.14.8/1066 - Release Date: 10/12/2007 11:10 AM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.14.8/1066 - Release Date: 10/12/2007 11:10 AM
Re: [Vo]:Re: CE4
Ron, I have a suggestion. See if the air temperature affects the brightness of the light. Harry On 12/10/2007 2:21 PM, EnergyLab wrote: Hey if I can use 100 different addresses for the same fee, why not? :-) Boy I really hate to give those figures, I have enough trouble from what I have already done, stupid me. For government work lets assume we are looking at 8.3mW in and 68mW out. God help on this. Based upon input measurement across 1 ohm 1% carbon composite resistor. Output measured across 1 ohm 1% carbon composite in series with the LED, (which requires a floating scope) and even lead length will dim the light. -Original Message- From: Michel Jullian [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 12, 2007 2:12 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: [Vo]:Re: CE4 Ron's bad habit of never signing his emails (even private ones IIRC) doesn't help, especially when like now he uses a non-Stiffler email address... ;-) What's the power in and the power out do you reckon Ron? Michel - Original Message - From: Stephen A. Lawrence [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, October 12, 2007 8:56 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]:CE4 Thanks much -- this is certainly a fascinating circuit. I didn't realize you were the author when Jones posted the link to part 4 of the video. EnergyLab wrote: I do not plan on posting this info anywhere else except my web site, but for those that have interest I have listed here some links to scope pictures and a basic circuit diagram. Values of the actual circuit shown in the video will be on my site soon. www.stifflerscientific.com/images/CE4MVC002a.jpg www.stifflerscientific.com/images/CE4MVC003a.jpg www.stifflerscientific.com/images/CE4MVC004a.jpg www.stifflerscientific.com/images/CE4MVC005a.jpg www.stifflerscientific.com/images/CE4Cir01.gif No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.14.8/1066 - Release Date: 10/12/2007 11:10 AM No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.14.8/1066 - Release Date: 10/12/2007 11:10 AM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.14.8/1066 - Release Date: 10/12/2007 11:10 AM
RE: [Vo]:Re: CE4
Harry, yes it does but this is not indicative of anything meaning full. This is that all capacities in the circuit are affected by temperature, some have a positive and some have a negative drift and they do not cancel out. The BW for optimal brightness is very narrow. The energy is still there on both sides of the curve, but does drop off very fast. It in all honesty takes a bit of tinkering to keep the excitation on frequency. Someone posted to my site a question on why I do not have an onboard generator and I will show that later (a 5V dip oscillator), this should solves a bit of the trouble with the gen drift. Your lucky I was a bit slow on the draw (or maybe I'm lucky), I just went into email to delete all my mail. I stopped reading 99% of it when I found out one person was accusing me of using a Ham transmitter to excite the coil. Guess he found me in the ARRL database and wanted his moment in history. For any vort out there that may be so inclined NEVER DO WHAT I DID with this circuit. There has to be a better way indeed. If all the people that have figured out ways that I am faking the display applied the energy to solving real problems, we would have few. If you have another question, best wait a week or two until dust settles and someone duplicates, if they don't I heard they have a little room for me in Siberia. -Original Message- From: Harry Veeder [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2007 11:24 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Re: CE4 Ron, I have a suggestion. See if the air temperature affects the brightness of the light. Harry On 12/10/2007 2:21 PM, EnergyLab wrote: Hey if I can use 100 different addresses for the same fee, why not? :-) Boy I really hate to give those figures, I have enough trouble from what I have already done, stupid me. For government work lets assume we are looking at 8.3mW in and 68mW out. God help on this. Based upon input measurement across 1 ohm 1% carbon composite resistor. Output measured across 1 ohm 1% carbon composite in series with the LED, (which requires a floating scope) and even lead length will dim the light. -Original Message- From: Michel Jullian [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 12, 2007 2:12 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: [Vo]:Re: CE4 Ron's bad habit of never signing his emails (even private ones IIRC) doesn't help, especially when like now he uses a non-Stiffler email address... ;-) What's the power in and the power out do you reckon Ron? Michel - Original Message - From: Stephen A. Lawrence [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, October 12, 2007 8:56 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]:CE4 Thanks much -- this is certainly a fascinating circuit. I didn't realize you were the author when Jones posted the link to part 4 of the video. EnergyLab wrote: I do not plan on posting this info anywhere else except my web site, but for those that have interest I have listed here some links to scope pictures and a basic circuit diagram. Values of the actual circuit shown in the video will be on my site soon. www.stifflerscientific.com/images/CE4MVC002a.jpg www.stifflerscientific.com/images/CE4MVC003a.jpg www.stifflerscientific.com/images/CE4MVC004a.jpg www.stifflerscientific.com/images/CE4MVC005a.jpg www.stifflerscientific.com/images/CE4Cir01.gif No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.14.8/1066 - Release Date: 10/12/2007 11:10 AM No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.14.8/1066 - Release Date: 10/12/2007 11:10 AM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.14.8/1066 - Release Date: 10/12/2007 11:10 AM No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.14.8/1066 - Release Date: 10/12/2007 11:10 AM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.14.8/1066 - Release Date: 10/12/2007 11:10 AM
Re: [Vo]:Re: CE4
On 14/10/2007 11:57 AM, EnergyLab wrote: Harry, yes it does but this is not indicative of anything meaning full. This is that all capacities in the circuit are affected by temperature, some have a positive and some have a negative drift and they do not cancel out. The BW for optimal brightness is very narrow. The energy is still there on both sides of the curve, but does drop off very fast. It in all honesty takes a bit of tinkering to keep the excitation on frequency. Ok. Someone posted to my site a question on why I do not have an onboard generator and I will show that later (a 5V dip oscillator), this should solves a bit of the trouble with the gen drift. Your lucky I was a bit slow on the draw (or maybe I'm lucky), I just went into email to delete all my mail. I stopped reading 99% of it when I found out one person was accusing me of using a Ham transmitter to excite the coil. Guess he found me in the ARRL database and wanted his moment in history. For any vort out there that may be so inclined NEVER DO WHAT I DID with this circuit. There has to be a better way indeed. If all the people that have figured out ways that I am faking the display applied the energy to solving real problems, we would have few. If you have another question, best wait a week or two until dust settles and someone duplicates, if they don't I heard they have a little room for me in Siberia. If you did this already please ignore, but would it mollify the sceptics if you placed it in a faraday cage? Harry -Original Message- From: Harry Veeder [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2007 11:24 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Re: CE4 Ron, I have a suggestion. See if the air temperature affects the brightness of the light. Harry On 12/10/2007 2:21 PM, EnergyLab wrote: Hey if I can use 100 different addresses for the same fee, why not? :-) Boy I really hate to give those figures, I have enough trouble from what I have already done, stupid me. For government work lets assume we are looking at 8.3mW in and 68mW out. God help on this. Based upon input measurement across 1 ohm 1% carbon composite resistor. Output measured across 1 ohm 1% carbon composite in series with the LED, (which requires a floating scope) and even lead length will dim the light. -Original Message- From: Michel Jullian [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 12, 2007 2:12 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: [Vo]:Re: CE4 Ron's bad habit of never signing his emails (even private ones IIRC) doesn't help, especially when like now he uses a non-Stiffler email address... ;-) What's the power in and the power out do you reckon Ron? Michel - Original Message - From: Stephen A. Lawrence [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, October 12, 2007 8:56 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]:CE4 Thanks much -- this is certainly a fascinating circuit. I didn't realize you were the author when Jones posted the link to part 4 of the video. EnergyLab wrote: I do not plan on posting this info anywhere else except my web site, but for those that have interest I have listed here some links to scope pictures and a basic circuit diagram. Values of the actual circuit shown in the video will be on my site soon. www.stifflerscientific.com/images/CE4MVC002a.jpg www.stifflerscientific.com/images/CE4MVC003a.jpg www.stifflerscientific.com/images/CE4MVC004a.jpg www.stifflerscientific.com/images/CE4MVC005a.jpg www.stifflerscientific.com/images/CE4Cir01.gif No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.14.8/1066 - Release Date: 10/12/2007 11:10 AM No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.14.8/1066 - Release Date: 10/12/2007 11:10 AM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.14.8/1066 - Release Date: 10/12/2007 11:10 AM No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.14.8/1066 - Release Date: 10/12/2007 11:10 AM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.14.8/1066 - Release Date: 10/12/2007 11:10 AM
[Vo]:Re: CE4
Can you give more details on the power measurement scheme? What you measure on the resistors is only the current, right? Michel - Original Message - From: EnergyLab [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, October 12, 2007 9:21 PM Subject: RE: [Vo]:Re: CE4 Hey if I can use 100 different addresses for the same fee, why not? :-) Boy I really hate to give those figures, I have enough trouble from what I have already done, stupid me. For government work lets assume we are looking at 8.3mW in and 68mW out. God help on this. Based upon input measurement across 1 ohm 1% carbon composite resistor. Output measured across 1 ohm 1% carbon composite in series with the LED, (which requires a floating scope) and even lead length will dim the light. -Original Message- From: Michel Jullian [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 12, 2007 2:12 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: [Vo]:Re: CE4 Ron's bad habit of never signing his emails (even private ones IIRC) doesn't help, especially when like now he uses a non-Stiffler email address... ;-) What's the power in and the power out do you reckon Ron? Michel - Original Message - From: Stephen A. Lawrence [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, October 12, 2007 8:56 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]:CE4 Thanks much -- this is certainly a fascinating circuit. I didn't realize you were the author when Jones posted the link to part 4 of the video. EnergyLab wrote: I do not plan on posting this info anywhere else except my web site, but for those that have interest I have listed here some links to scope pictures and a basic circuit diagram. Values of the actual circuit shown in the video will be on my site soon. www.stifflerscientific.com/images/CE4MVC002a.jpg www.stifflerscientific.com/images/CE4MVC003a.jpg www.stifflerscientific.com/images/CE4MVC004a.jpg www.stifflerscientific.com/images/CE4MVC005a.jpg www.stifflerscientific.com/images/CE4Cir01.gif No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.14.8/1066 - Release Date: 10/12/2007 11:10 AM No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.14.8/1066 - Release Date: 10/12/2007 11:10 AM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.14.8/1066 - Release Date: 10/12/2007 11:10 AM
RE: [Vo]:Re: CE4
Hey if I can use 100 different addresses for the same fee, why not? :-) Boy I really hate to give those figures, I have enough trouble from what I have already done, stupid me. For government work lets assume we are looking at 8.3mW in and 68mW out. God help on this. Based upon input measurement across 1 ohm 1% carbon composite resistor. Output measured across 1 ohm 1% carbon composite in series with the LED, (which requires a floating scope) and even lead length will dim the light. -Original Message- From: Michel Jullian [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 12, 2007 2:12 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: [Vo]:Re: CE4 Ron's bad habit of never signing his emails (even private ones IIRC) doesn't help, especially when like now he uses a non-Stiffler email address... ;-) What's the power in and the power out do you reckon Ron? Michel - Original Message - From: Stephen A. Lawrence [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, October 12, 2007 8:56 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]:CE4 Thanks much -- this is certainly a fascinating circuit. I didn't realize you were the author when Jones posted the link to part 4 of the video. EnergyLab wrote: I do not plan on posting this info anywhere else except my web site, but for those that have interest I have listed here some links to scope pictures and a basic circuit diagram. Values of the actual circuit shown in the video will be on my site soon. www.stifflerscientific.com/images/CE4MVC002a.jpg www.stifflerscientific.com/images/CE4MVC003a.jpg www.stifflerscientific.com/images/CE4MVC004a.jpg www.stifflerscientific.com/images/CE4MVC005a.jpg www.stifflerscientific.com/images/CE4Cir01.gif No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.14.8/1066 - Release Date: 10/12/2007 11:10 AM No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.14.8/1066 - Release Date: 10/12/2007 11:10 AM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.14.8/1066 - Release Date: 10/12/2007 11:10 AM
[Vo]:Re: CE4
Ron's bad habit of never signing his emails (even private ones IIRC) doesn't help, especially when like now he uses a non-Stiffler email address... ;-) What's the power in and the power out do you reckon Ron? Michel - Original Message - From: Stephen A. Lawrence [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, October 12, 2007 8:56 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]:CE4 Thanks much -- this is certainly a fascinating circuit. I didn't realize you were the author when Jones posted the link to part 4 of the video. EnergyLab wrote: I do not plan on posting this info anywhere else except my web site, but for those that have interest I have listed here some links to scope pictures and a basic circuit diagram. Values of the actual circuit shown in the video will be on my site soon. www.stifflerscientific.com/images/CE4MVC002a.jpg www.stifflerscientific.com/images/CE4MVC003a.jpg www.stifflerscientific.com/images/CE4MVC004a.jpg www.stifflerscientific.com/images/CE4MVC005a.jpg www.stifflerscientific.com/images/CE4Cir01.gif No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.14.8/1066 - Release Date: 10/12/2007 11:10 AM
Re: [Vo]:Re: CE4
In reply to EnergyLab's message of Fri, 12 Oct 2007 14:21:08 -0500: I wrote: Is the frequency in the hundreds of Hz? Stupid question. I should have looked at the scope pictures! Regards, Robin van Spaandonk The shrub is a plant.
Re: [Vo]:Re: CE4
In reply to EnergyLab's message of Fri, 12 Oct 2007 14:21:08 -0500: Hi Ron, [snip] Hey if I can use 100 different addresses for the same fee, why not? :-) Boy I really hate to give those figures, I have enough trouble from what I have already done, stupid me. For government work lets assume we are looking at 8.3mW in and 68mW out. God help on this. Based upon input measurement across 1 ohm 1% carbon composite resistor. Output measured across 1 ohm 1% carbon composite in series with the LED, (which requires a floating scope) and even lead length will dim the light. [snip] Is the frequency in the hundreds of Hz? Regards, Robin van Spaandonk The shrub is a plant.
