Re: [Vo]:Re: The MFMP replication effort live on youtube.
Under certain conditions the fine structure constant has been found to differ from the regular value. On Fri, Jan 2, 2015 at 10:28 AM, Axil Axil wrote: > Doing science inside the dog bone can be like doing science inside another > universe. There is no certainty that physics or chemistry works that same > inside the dog bone as it does in the real world. Maybe different physical > rules apply. > > On Thu, Jan 1, 2015 at 4:07 PM, CB Sites wrote: > >> Just doing a search, here is an article discussing hydrogen permeation of >> Alumina at high temperatures. >> >> http://www.academia.edu/7323157/GAS_PERMEATION_PROPERTIES_OF_HYDROGEN_PERMEABLE_MACROPOROUS_ALUMINA_CERAMIC_MEMBRANES_AT_HIGH_TEMPERATURE >> >> Of course this is about porous alumina membranes to purify hydrogen, but >> the effects of high temperature may apply to alumina in general porous or >> non-porous. >> >> >> On Wed, Dec 31, 2014 at 5:45 PM, James Bowery wrote: >> >>> >>> -- Forwarded message -- >>> From: Randy Mills rmi...@blacklightpower.com >>> [SocietyforClassicalPhysics] >> > >>> Date: Mon, Dec 29, 2014 at 7:51 AM >>> Subject: Re: [SocietyforClassicalPhysics] "a mixture of nickel and >>> lithium aluminum hydride" >>> To: "societyforclassicalphys...@yahoogroups.com" < >>> societyforclassicalphys...@yahoogroups.com> >>> >>> ...I think that it is a mistake to use a hydrogen porous vessel for a >>> hydrino reaction. >>> >>> On Wed, Dec 31, 2014 at 4:48 AM, wrote: >>> Probably at that temperature the hydrogen will leak very fast through the cell even if it is sealed properly Peter v Noorden *From:* Bob Higgins *Sent:* Wednesday, December 31, 2014 5:36 AM *To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:The MFMP replication effort live on youtube. Based on analysis of Lugano and Parkhomov work, excess heat begins at about 950C. The MFMP dogbone core was measured to be over 1200C and no excess heat was found. The likely suspect is that the glue used to seal the reactor tube failed, allowing a leak of the H2 when the LiAlH4 decomposed. The experiment was shut down because going higher in temperature risked burnout of the dogbone heater coil and the excess heat should already have been seen at a lower temperature than the 1200C core temperature that was achieved. Ryan Hunt is going to try again. We will try to contact Parkhomov to ask what cement he used to seal his reactor. We are also looking at ways to test the seals that we make. Bob Higgins On Tue, Dec 30, 2014 at 8:35 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > CB Sites wrote: > > >> Wow, Replication fails. They had the "dog bone" so hot the steel >> stand holding it was white hot. But power in was equal to power out. >> No >> radiation. >> > > I have a hunch that was too hot. As the proverbial shaggy dog was > too shaggy, since we are using dog-related images here. > > - Jed > > >>> >>> >> >
Re: [Vo]:Re: The MFMP replication effort live on youtube.
Doing science inside the dog bone can be like doing science inside another universe. There is no certainty that physics or chemistry works that same inside the dog bone as it does in the real world. Maybe different physical rules apply. On Thu, Jan 1, 2015 at 4:07 PM, CB Sites wrote: > Just doing a search, here is an article discussing hydrogen permeation of > Alumina at high temperatures. > > http://www.academia.edu/7323157/GAS_PERMEATION_PROPERTIES_OF_HYDROGEN_PERMEABLE_MACROPOROUS_ALUMINA_CERAMIC_MEMBRANES_AT_HIGH_TEMPERATURE > > Of course this is about porous alumina membranes to purify hydrogen, but > the effects of high temperature may apply to alumina in general porous or > non-porous. > > > On Wed, Dec 31, 2014 at 5:45 PM, James Bowery wrote: > >> >> -- Forwarded message -- >> From: Randy Mills rmi...@blacklightpower.com [SocietyforClassicalPhysics] >> >> Date: Mon, Dec 29, 2014 at 7:51 AM >> Subject: Re: [SocietyforClassicalPhysics] "a mixture of nickel and >> lithium aluminum hydride" >> To: "societyforclassicalphys...@yahoogroups.com" < >> societyforclassicalphys...@yahoogroups.com> >> >> ...I think that it is a mistake to use a hydrogen porous vessel for a >> hydrino reaction. >> >> On Wed, Dec 31, 2014 at 4:48 AM, wrote: >> >>> Probably at that temperature the hydrogen will leak very fast through >>> the cell even if it is sealed properly >>> >>> Peter v Noorden >>> >>> *From:* Bob Higgins >>> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 31, 2014 5:36 AM >>> *To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com >>> *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:The MFMP replication effort live on youtube. >>> >>> Based on analysis of Lugano and Parkhomov work, excess heat begins at >>> about 950C. The MFMP dogbone core was measured to be over 1200C and no >>> excess heat was found. The likely suspect is that the glue used to seal >>> the reactor tube failed, allowing a leak of the H2 when the LiAlH4 >>> decomposed. The experiment was shut down because going higher in >>> temperature risked burnout of the dogbone heater coil and the excess heat >>> should already have been seen at a lower temperature than the 1200C core >>> temperature that was achieved. >>> >>> Ryan Hunt is going to try again. We will try to contact Parkhomov to >>> ask what cement he used to seal his reactor. We are also looking at ways to >>> test the seals that we make. >>> >>> Bob Higgins >>> >>> On Tue, Dec 30, 2014 at 8:35 PM, Jed Rothwell >>> wrote: >>> CB Sites wrote: > Wow, Replication fails. They had the "dog bone" so hot the steel > stand holding it was white hot. But power in was equal to power out. No > radiation. > >>> I have a hunch that was too hot. As the proverbial shaggy dog was too shaggy, since we are using dog-related images here. - Jed >>> >>> >> >> >
Re: [Vo]:Re: The MFMP replication effort live on youtube.
Just doing a search, here is an article discussing hydrogen permeation of Alumina at high temperatures. http://www.academia.edu/7323157/GAS_PERMEATION_PROPERTIES_OF_HYDROGEN_PERMEABLE_MACROPOROUS_ALUMINA_CERAMIC_MEMBRANES_AT_HIGH_TEMPERATURE Of course this is about porous alumina membranes to purify hydrogen, but the effects of high temperature may apply to alumina in general porous or non-porous. On Wed, Dec 31, 2014 at 5:45 PM, James Bowery wrote: > > -- Forwarded message -- > From: Randy Mills rmi...@blacklightpower.com [SocietyforClassicalPhysics] > > Date: Mon, Dec 29, 2014 at 7:51 AM > Subject: Re: [SocietyforClassicalPhysics] "a mixture of nickel and lithium > aluminum hydride" > To: "societyforclassicalphys...@yahoogroups.com" < > societyforclassicalphys...@yahoogroups.com> > > ...I think that it is a mistake to use a hydrogen porous vessel for a > hydrino reaction. > > On Wed, Dec 31, 2014 at 4:48 AM, wrote: > >> Probably at that temperature the hydrogen will leak very fast through >> the cell even if it is sealed properly >> >> Peter v Noorden >> >> *From:* Bob Higgins >> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 31, 2014 5:36 AM >> *To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com >> *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:The MFMP replication effort live on youtube. >> >> Based on analysis of Lugano and Parkhomov work, excess heat begins at >> about 950C. The MFMP dogbone core was measured to be over 1200C and no >> excess heat was found. The likely suspect is that the glue used to seal >> the reactor tube failed, allowing a leak of the H2 when the LiAlH4 >> decomposed. The experiment was shut down because going higher in >> temperature risked burnout of the dogbone heater coil and the excess heat >> should already have been seen at a lower temperature than the 1200C core >> temperature that was achieved. >> >> Ryan Hunt is going to try again. We will try to contact Parkhomov to ask >> what cement he used to seal his reactor. We are also looking at ways to >> test the seals that we make. >> >> Bob Higgins >> >> On Tue, Dec 30, 2014 at 8:35 PM, Jed Rothwell >> wrote: >> >>> CB Sites wrote: >>> >>> Wow, Replication fails. They had the "dog bone" so hot the steel stand holding it was white hot. But power in was equal to power out. No radiation. >>> >> >>> I have a hunch that was too hot. As the proverbial shaggy dog was too >>> shaggy, since we are using dog-related images here. >>> >>> - Jed >>> >>> >> >> > >
Re: [Vo]:Re: The MFMP replication effort live on youtube.
-- Forwarded message -- From: Randy Mills rmi...@blacklightpower.com [SocietyforClassicalPhysics] < societyforclassicalphys...@yahoogroups.com> Date: Mon, Dec 29, 2014 at 7:51 AM Subject: Re: [SocietyforClassicalPhysics] "a mixture of nickel and lithium aluminum hydride" To: "societyforclassicalphys...@yahoogroups.com" < societyforclassicalphys...@yahoogroups.com> ...I think that it is a mistake to use a hydrogen porous vessel for a hydrino reaction. On Wed, Dec 31, 2014 at 4:48 AM, wrote: > Probably at that temperature the hydrogen will leak very fast through > the cell even if it is sealed properly > > Peter v Noorden > > *From:* Bob Higgins > *Sent:* Wednesday, December 31, 2014 5:36 AM > *To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com > *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:The MFMP replication effort live on youtube. > > Based on analysis of Lugano and Parkhomov work, excess heat begins at > about 950C. The MFMP dogbone core was measured to be over 1200C and no > excess heat was found. The likely suspect is that the glue used to seal > the reactor tube failed, allowing a leak of the H2 when the LiAlH4 > decomposed. The experiment was shut down because going higher in > temperature risked burnout of the dogbone heater coil and the excess heat > should already have been seen at a lower temperature than the 1200C core > temperature that was achieved. > > Ryan Hunt is going to try again. We will try to contact Parkhomov to ask > what cement he used to seal his reactor. We are also looking at ways to > test the seals that we make. > > Bob Higgins > > On Tue, Dec 30, 2014 at 8:35 PM, Jed Rothwell > wrote: > >> CB Sites wrote: >> >> >>> Wow, Replication fails. They had the "dog bone" so hot the steel >>> stand holding it was white hot. But power in was equal to power out. No >>> radiation. >>> >> > >> I have a hunch that was too hot. As the proverbial shaggy dog was too >> shaggy, since we are using dog-related images here. >> >> - Jed >> >> > >
[Vo]:Re: The MFMP replication effort live on youtube.
Probably at that temperature the hydrogen will leak very fast through the cell even if it is sealed properly Peter v Noorden From: Bob Higgins Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2014 5:36 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:The MFMP replication effort live on youtube. Based on analysis of Lugano and Parkhomov work, excess heat begins at about 950C. The MFMP dogbone core was measured to be over 1200C and no excess heat was found. The likely suspect is that the glue used to seal the reactor tube failed, allowing a leak of the H2 when the LiAlH4 decomposed. The experiment was shut down because going higher in temperature risked burnout of the dogbone heater coil and the excess heat should already have been seen at a lower temperature than the 1200C core temperature that was achieved. Ryan Hunt is going to try again. We will try to contact Parkhomov to ask what cement he used to seal his reactor. We are also looking at ways to test the seals that we make. Bob Higgins On Tue, Dec 30, 2014 at 8:35 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: CB Sites wrote: Wow, Replication fails. They had the "dog bone" so hot the steel stand holding it was white hot. But power in was equal to power out. No radiation. I have a hunch that was too hot. As the proverbial shaggy dog was too shaggy, since we are using dog-related images here. - Jed
