Re: [Vo]:Swedish physicists run the site Ecat.com

[Sean True]

The physicists behind hydrofusion.com (and ecat.com) are not _just_ physicists.

As I noted in an earlier thread, Sandstrom is a VP at DBRS since 2007,
a financial rating service in Canada. Think Moody's, but a little
smaller. Not a lot smaller, though:
http://www.dbrs.com/research/211085/dbrs-strengthens-emea-structured-finance-group-with-senior-hire.html

Holm was/is CEO of a software company working on advanced search
algorithms: http://www.mindmetric.com/company_mngt.html

Sandstrom and Holm have published a paper together in 1999 (on
curvature relations in product manifolds):
http://fy.chalmers.se/OLDUSERS/tfens/paper2.pdf

Nothing conclusive about a third member of the team, Staffan Helgesson
... but the only one I could find
that makes marginal sense is the Managing Director of a VC firm, Creandum.

Re: [Vo]:Swedish physicists run the site Ecat.com

[Jed Rothwell]

Lewan added this to the article:


UPDATE: Members of the Hydrofusion team were present at the October 6 test
of the Ecat and the October 28 test of the heat plant. They also met with
Rossi for a private demonstration of the Ecat at the end of July.


- Jed

Re: [Vo]:Swedish physicists run the site Ecat.com

[Terry Blanton]

On Fri, Nov 18, 2011 at 12:51 PM, Peter Heckert  wrote:

> Transportation costs are not mentioned.

Come on, Peter.  Rossi's Reactor constitutes one TEU which can be
shipped from Europe to China for about $1400.

T

Re: [Vo]:Swedish physicists run the site Ecat.com

[Peter Heckert]

Am 18.11.2011 18:11, schrieb Mary Yugo:



On Fri, Nov 18, 2011 at 8:38 AM, Peter Heckert > wrote:



At the same time Rossi says on his forum he has sold 13  1MW
plants to an secret military organisation in a secret country.
If he continues to sell so sucessfully, then he cannot fulfill a
delivery time of 3 months. ;-)


Rossi seems to be buying time before he has to disclose the identity 
of a buyer.


Adolf Schneider wrote in July in his german "NET" magazine, they
have already 100 pieces of 1MW plants build in USA.
This was before the Bologna 1MW prototype was ready.


Amazing.  Thank you for reading and interpreting the German text.  Of 
course, that has to be simply a lie.  There could not be a plant in 
the US that made 100 large nuclear fusion devices and escaped public 
scrutiny and proper investigation by the Homeland Security Agency and 
many others.



Ok, I have reread it and must admit, I made a small error.
I feel the obligation not to spread rumors, but fight rumors and give 
precise information.


What he actually wrote, reads as follows:

Für jene Länder, die noch keine
Lizenz erworben haben, können ab November
bei Dr. Rossi Bestellungen für
1-MW-Anlagen inAuftrag gegeben werden,
die laut Dr. Rossi innert zwei
Monaten, und zwar als komplette Container,
geliefert werden. Deren Preis
liegt bei 2 Mio Euro. In den USA seien
laut Dr. Rossi bereits Tausende solcher
1-MW-Anlagen bestellt worden.
  page 13
This is from september/october 2011.

First, he writes "in those countries where it is not licensed, orders 
can be made directly to Rossi from November on".
This means, he implies, many countries have already bought licenses, 
without actually saying this.

"Delivery is within 2 months, price is 2 million Euro for a 1MW plant"
He doesnt mention, if this is with or without tax and customs fees and 
who brings it over custom. This shows, the offer is not real.

Transportation costs are not mentioned.
(There is an easy trick for fraud. Deliver, but make intentional formal 
errors in documents and adress and then it will not go over customs, but 
will go back. So you never get it and must fight for the money.)


He former writes "In USA there are already thousands 1 MW plants ordered".
He did not write, they are ready built.
I was in error about this, sorry.

Re: [Vo]:Swedish physicists run the site Ecat.com

[Mary Yugo]

On Fri, Nov 18, 2011 at 8:38 AM, Peter Heckert wrote:

>
> At the same time Rossi says on his forum he has sold 13  1MW plants to an
> secret military organisation in a secret country.
> If he continues to sell so sucessfully, then he cannot fulfill a delivery
> time of 3 months. ;-)
>

Rossi seems to be buying time before he has to disclose the identity of a
buyer.


> Adolf Schneider wrote in July in his german "NET" magazine, they have
> already 100 pieces of 1MW plants build in USA.
> This was before the Bologna 1MW prototype was ready.
>

Amazing.  Thank you for reading and interpreting the German text.  Of
course, that has to be simply a lie.  There could not be a plant in the US
that made 100 large nuclear fusion devices and escaped public scrutiny and
proper investigation by the Homeland Security Agency and many others.

Re: [Vo]:Swedish physicists run the site Ecat.com

[Peter Heckert]

Am 18.11.2011 16:11, schrieb Terry Blanton:

Interesting statement:

"But because there are powerful forces who want to argue that it’s all
about fraud, we will make one or more of the following to prove our
honesty."

Honesty is already proven.
They have never seen it and say it is highly improbable that it is a 
fraud, but their website describes as if it where a secure fact  tells 
theory details and delivery times and prices and financial estimations.


This is not a usual behaviour of scientists or engineers.

At the same time Rossi says on his forum he has sold 13  1MW plants to 
an secret military organisation in a secret country.
If he continues to sell so sucessfully, then he cannot fulfill a 
delivery time of 3 months. ;-)
Adolf Schneider wrote in July in his german "NET" magazine, they have 
already 100 pieces of 1MW plants build in USA.

This was before the Bologna 1MW prototype was ready.

This all doesnt fit together.
If we forget all demos and all data and look only to the behaviour of 
the persons, then this all looks like the usual scam.
Spread inconclusive rumours over the internet. The internet acts as a 
ruour amplifier and converts rumours into facts.
By the pure amount of information thats available an uninformed layman, 
who is only seldom on the internet, is easily fooled.

Re: [Vo]:Swedish physicists run the site Ecat.com

[Mary Yugo]

They won't reveal their contract with Rossi.  I wonder why.  Maybe they
paid him?

And this comment: "*NyT: There is great skepticism about Rossi’s
technology. How do comment on that?
* Holm: “Until he makes an independent test, there is obviously a small
chance that it does not work. We are willing to take that risk."

That means they apparently never tested a device.

Re: [Vo]:Swedish physicists run the site Ecat.com

[Terry Blanton]

Interesting statement:

"But because there are powerful forces who want to argue that it’s all
about fraud, we will make one or more of the following to prove our
honesty."

T

[Vo]:Swedish physicists run the site Ecat.com

[Jed Rothwell]

See:

http://www.nyteknik.se/nyheter/energi_miljo/energi/article3347150.ece