Re: [Vo]:Thixotropy and the Aether
Possibly you are speaking of the Aspden Effect? Terry On Mon, Oct 6, 2008 at 9:45 PM, Benjamin Rozanski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I was wondering whether the effects of a spinning mass could be playing > a part. > > Bruce DePalma found that a spinning mass apperently gains energy. > > Could the "Bedini Effect" tie into this? (spinning mass). Are they the same? > > There was something about "entrainment" of aether but I can't recall who > described it. Something about spinning-up a an electric motor, letting it > come to a stop, then re-starting it immediately took less energy to get it > to speed than the first time. Is there a connection? > >
Re: [Vo]:Thixotropy and the Aether
I was wondering whether the effects of a spinning mass could be playing a part. Bruce DePalma found that a spinning mass apperently gains energy. Could the "Bedini Effect" tie into this? (spinning mass). Are they the same? There was something about "entrainment" of aether but I can't recall who described it. Something about spinning-up a an electric motor, letting it come to a stop, then re-starting it immediately took less energy to get it to speed than the first time. Is there a connection?
Re: [Vo]:Thixotropy and the Aether
To further this thought: ... most observers with EE training are critical of the Bedini two-battery (battery swapping) technique as proving gainfulness. This criticism is logical if you approach it solely from the perspective of electrical engineering, instead of EE + suprachemisty (redundant ground state reactions). OK - The reason that this MO (redundant ground state reactions happening in the battery chemistry) might have special relevance to a situation where "aether thixotropy" was a moderating influence (which limited certain kinds of rotating devices and kept them from even getting to a sustained OU state) - is that the hydrino or tight Bohr radius state would not only get around this situation; but possibly even benefit from a large viscosity increase in the aether. It should also be noted that lead-acid batteries have been said to work best for the BBS technique (AFAIK) and the reason for that is obvious in that both lead Pb+++, the oxide ion O++, and lead-oxide are all hydrino catalysts AND at the overlapping IP enthalpy of ~54.4 eV. Not to mention, this electrolyte contains lots of hydrogen. NiMH batteries work well too, and the reasoning is similar, but they are much more expensive and possibly not as active. We have mentioned oxygen as catalyst before, but with lead (Pb) the sum of first three IP states is 7.42 + 15.03 + 31.94 = ~54.4 and since oxygen is similar at ++, it would appear that the lead-acid battery (assuming that this proves correct) appears to be a little "hydrino factory" when under highly spiked and pulsed bemf. Obviously, this result is not seen in the world's 100 million automobiles which use this kind of batttery - for the simple reason that spiked pulsation has been avoided totally at the design stage -- since it is very hard on electronic parts and wiring. If the BBS techniques is ever shown to be useful it will demand much more robust wiring, for instance. Jones
Re: [Vo]:Thixotropy and the Aether
John, ... not sure how you plan to proceed with your experiment (do you have a web page?) but here is an extended comment based on similar situations: As you know, most observers with EE training are critical of the Bedini two-battery (battery swapping) technique as proving gainfulness. This criticism is logical if you approach it solely from the perspective of electrical engineering, instead of EE + suprachemisty (redundant ground state reactions). The most common quip is "if batteries work, then why not use caps." It is clear that caps do not work in these circumstances. That can be due to the fact that there is no gain to begin with -- or it can be due to the fact that caps (especially if they are not sized properly) can modulate the harmonics and attenuate the Q factor on both the cathode and anode. Or it can be due to the fact (my interpretation) that the gain is not in the circuit itself and never was - but the gain is in the chemistry of the battery *on the(positive ion) side*. Batt-caps should not affect the positive side harmonics AFAIK. This might relate to hydrinos and it why some battery types work better than others. None of this proves that batteries demonstrate true OU- as Bedini has been deficient in thorough testing (or at least in reporting the results) especially with low capacity batteries AFAIK. But there are many others who think that there could be something to it. Apparenly you are in that camp. However, it is less clear, perhaps it is unknown, how Batt-caps would fare if they were used instead -- and if they would improve the overall situation. I think that Batt-caps, due to lower internal resistance on that negative side, could perform better at recapture of spiked bemf than batteries alone, without necessarily quenching the positive ion harmonics- for a variety of reasons. http://www.batcap.net/About_batcap.html If you plan on using a variation of the Bedini battery switching technique - please consider as an option using batt-caps in addition to whatever else you will be trying. They are available, but not cheap; but are probably preferable to do-it-yourself arrangements (not sure of that). At least the manufacturers have been optimizing them for years for the intended application. The typical application for them is automotive sound systems. They seem to perform very well at audible frequencies. Harmonics from 3-phase motors are generally in this range. That is why they could be worth a try in a BBS bedini-battery-swapping situation. Good luck. Jones
Re: [Vo]:Thixotropy and the Aether
Richard and John, Curious cross-connection - especially for the timing of your post with this new info below: At the California Science Fair, a motor was specifically altered to show the highly spike BEMF that ostensibly demonstrates overunity: http://www.usc.edu/CSSF/Current/Projects/S0801.pdf It is called the "Rotoverter" and there is a chance that it can lead to OU if the correct load can be found to reconvert the spikes to a usable level without the high losses. BTW "aether thixotropy" may also operate to preclude this! >From the Abstract: "We successfully found an alternative way to generate >electric energy more efficiently than conventional means. In the process of doing this, we generated more reactive power than is consumed. Reactive power can be described as energy that does net value of no work. Achieving a greater amount of reactive power than true power is not a new concept and is accomplished very easily." "What's different about the Rotoverter is that we can extract some of this power which is considered imposable by definition. We are not sure how the Rotoverter works, but only that it does produce large amounts of reactive energy that can be extracted on a small scale." Here is a pic of the lads with their gizmo: http://www.usc.edu/CSSF/History/2008/pictures/Fair/t0857.html BTW - these are ninth graders attending a Christian High School in Bakersfield. So along with possibly changing the world of alternative energy, they are being taught creationism. Go figure. - Original Message From: R C Macaulay <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Baldor Motor. They also recently purchased Reliance so they can offer submersible motors as well. Franklin Electric makes a split phase submersible and a range of fractional motors. Wear rubber boots Richard John Berry wrote, What kinds of motors? I am actually planning to do an experiment similar to this soon and I do have a nice Synchronous motor. I actually believe that this is 'the key' to OU, I have noted some correlations that 'prove' it IMO. On Sat, Oct 4, 2008 at 12:10 PM, R C Macaulay <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Even stranger, breaking the circuit to an electric motor can exhibit some mind teasing anomalies outside of your standard "surge" . There is the occasional motor that can produce an incredible voltage spike when the circuit is interrupted, either momentarily of on disconnect, even small fractional HP motors. Some motors above 150 HP starting and stopping across the line can produce incredible spikes unless they are surrounded by grounding rings. Even so, it is not uncommon to have the lights come on momentarily in a dark building. Fun stuff happens in adjacent areas with electronics. I have suspected a "link" beween" these type events and the problems with mag motors. Richard No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.173 / Virus Database: 270.7.5/1706 - Release Date: 10/3/2008 6:17 PM
Re: [Vo]:Thixotropy and the Aether
Baldor Motor. They also recently purchased Reliance so they can offer submersible motors as well. Franklin Electric makes a split phase submersible and a range of fractional motors. Wear rubber boots Richard John Berry wrote, What kinds of motors? I am actually planning to do an experiment similar to this soon and I do have a nice Synchronous motor. I actually believe that this is 'the key' to OU, I have noted some correlations that 'prove' it IMO. On Sat, Oct 4, 2008 at 12:10 PM, R C Macaulay <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Even stranger, breaking the circuit to an electric motor can exhibit some mind teasing anomalies outside of your standard "surge" . There is the occasional motor that can produce an incredible voltage spike when the circuit is interrupted, either momentarily of on disconnect, even small fractional HP motors. Some motors above 150 HP starting and stopping across the line can produce incredible spikes unless they are surrounded by grounding rings. Even so, it is not uncommon to have the lights come on momentarily in a dark building. Fun stuff happens in adjacent areas with electronics. I have suspected a "link" beween" these type events and the problems with mag motors. Richard -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.173 / Virus Database: 270.7.5/1706 - Release Date: 10/3/2008 6:17 PM
Re: [Vo]:Thixotropy and the Aether
What kinds of motors? I am actually planning to do an experiment similar to this soon and I do have a nice Synchronous motor. I actually believe that this is 'the key' to OU, I have noted some correlations that 'prove' it IMO. On Sat, Oct 4, 2008 at 12:10 PM, R C Macaulay <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > *Even stranger, breaking the circuit to an electric motor can exhibit some > mind teasing anomalies outside of your standard "surge" . There is the > occasional motor that can produce an incredible voltage spike when the > circuit is interrupted, either momentarily of on disconnect, even small > fractional HP motors. Some motors above 150 HP starting and stopping across > the line can produce incredible spikes unless they are surrounded by > grounding rings. Even so, it is not uncommon to have the lights come on > momentarily in a dark building. Fun stuff happens in adjacent areas with > electronics. I have suspected a "link" beween" these type events and > the problems with mag motors.* > ** > Richard >
Re: [Vo]:Thixotropy and the Aether
Jones wrote, >The most often mentioned natural examples of thixotropy are so-called >"quicksand" and other clays, like the ones under parts of San Francisco which >exhibit characteristics of "liquefaction" during an earthquake. Drilling muds >used in the oil industry can be thixotropic. Honey can also exhibit this >property under certain conditions. Barium, like quicksand doesn't always play fair, evidenced by watching a density meter as drilling mud is pumped during a drilling process. Honey in a comb does not "flow"as when it's removed. Strange , the hex structure of the comb is often given credit for this anomaly. Jones wrote, But this is not always the case, based on extending the results of what is transpiring at a lower speed. IOW - a magnet-motor (magmo) like that of Howard Johnson - may from time to time give glimpses and short-term evidence of true overunity, and that is why they are so appealing. But this claimed OU has not been replicated in public thus far - and perhaps that is due to the aether's self-regulating mechanism. Even stranger, breaking the circuit to an electric motor can exhibit some mind teasing anomalies outside of your standard "surge" . There is the occasional motor that can produce an incredible voltage spike when the circuit is interrupted, either momentarily of on disconnect, even small fractional HP motors. Some motors above 150 HP starting and stopping across the line can produce incredible spikes unless they are surrounded by grounding rings. Even so, it is not uncommon to have the lights come on momentarily in a dark building. Fun stuff happens in adjacent areas with electronics. I have suspected a "link" beween" these type events and the problems with mag motors. Richard
Re: [Vo]:Thixotropy and the Aether
The LoT is IMO easily defeated (at least in appearance as it is impossible to ever solve the question absolutely) when the aether is correctly conditioned. The aether is the medium of all matter and energy and if you engineer it's state you can change the rules, if you change the board on which matter and energy plays the game you can change all the rules. On Sat, Oct 4, 2008 at 10:51 AM, Jones Beene <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > becomes a self-regulating increases in viscosity. IOW under extreme > conditions (such as when a process becomes "too" efficient) the aether > thixotropy reverses itself. This makes it a "proactive" element in keeping > the LoT sacrosanct. >
[Vo]:Thixotropy and the Aether
Word of the day - thixotropy Thixotropy is the property of some kinds of thick (usually) mud-like fluids - which will show a marked decrease in viscosity under shear stress. A normal gel, mud, gunk or clay can end up acting like a super-lubricant in the extreme case. Is thixotropy also a property (real or metaphoric) of the aether - which serves to regulate the laws of thermodynamics to some degree? After all - in some of the better aether hypotheses, the aether is said to be very "thick" stuff - at least in another dimension, yet it does not affect our motion in 3-space very much- yet OTOH - it does give a twisted justification for "inertia" to some degree. All of these factors: thixotropy, the aether, inertia, and the laws of thermodynamics may be tied together at an intrinsic level. Maybe this is already a part of someone's theory, and if so, I hope it will be mentioned and credited to the proper source . The most often mentioned natural examples of thixotropy are so-called "quicksand" and other clays, like the ones under parts of San Francisco which exhibit characteristics of "liquefaction" during an earthquake. Drilling muds used in the oil industry can be thixotropic. Honey can also exhibit this property under certain conditions. Anyway, it has occurred to me recently that the reason that the Laws of Thermodynamics work so diabolically well, particularly with regard to magnetic motors (which are so difficult to make self-powering)-- is that these laws may be "enforced" by a reversible kind of thixotropy. The reversible thixotropy could be an inherent property of the aether... especially if/when that decrease in viscosity under shear becomes pushed to a limit such that it reverses and actually becomes a self-regulating increases in viscosity. IOW under extreme conditions (such as when a process becomes "too" efficient) the aether thixotropy reverses itself. This makes it a "proactive" element in keeping the LoT sacrosanct. This seems to be putting a certain amount of "feedback and discretion," or intelligence, into the laws of thermodynamics, and that can sound too anthropomorphic - but so be it. It is certainly "diabolical" the way nature seems to step-in and keep devices from performing as the software models say that they should at higher speed, when based on real results at lower speed. i.e. "power" is (or should be) a ~6:1 factor increase with increasing rpm: Power = torque x 2pi x rpm (rotational speed) But this is not always the case, based on extending the results of what is transpiring at a lower speed. IOW - a magnet-motor (magmo) like that of Howard Johnson - may from time to time give glimpses and short-term evidence of true overunity, and that is why they are so appealing. But this claimed OU has not been replicated in public thus far - and perhaps that is due to the aether's self-regulating mechanism. This then would be the aether add-on hypothesis - the case where the thixotropy of the aether reverses itself - to "prevent" overunity, as it were. Jones
