Re: [Vo]:A clue about Storms' mystery radiation?
Jones, do you have an estimate of the actual per cent increase of the total neutrino flux that occurs during a flare as compared to the normal flux? I would expect the increase to be virtually un measurable unless there is something interesting going on within the Sun's center where copious amounts of neutrinos are produced. Is a solar flare more than a very tiny disruption of the average solar environment? Dave -Original Message- From: Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Mon, Nov 19, 2012 11:51 am Subject: [Vo]:A clue about Storms' mystery radiation? This story from Purdue is of interest for several unexplained energy phenomenon, including LENR and the recent disclosure of Ed Storms. That disclosure is suggestive a hidden kind of radiation which accelerates nuclear decay rates. http://www.purdue.edu/newsroom/releases/2012/Q3/new-system-could-predict-sol ar-flares,-give-advance-warning.html A known variety of radiation which can alter decay rates is neutrinos, except for the huge problem that neutrinos should not be detected or absorbed in anywhere close to the needed amount. The undefined radiation is associated with solar flares but precedes the flare. However, since neutrinos are always present in a massive flux that is relatively independent of flares, but would not be absorbed in anything like the proportions which are required to alter decay- does this finding not specifically suggest a new kind of radiation which renders neutrinos more active (absorbable)? I think that it does suggest this or something similar, but the University Researchers involved will not go that far. (as Mel Brooks sez: we have to protect our phony baloney jobs). To me, this finding suggests that the standard neutrino flux, which is a given, can be modulated or altered somehow, so as to be absorbed at many or orders of magnitude higher rates, when the mystery radiation is present (compared to normal). That radiation can be produced in LENR apparently, as well as in the solar corona. (note: the flare is a corona feature, which is a bit different than a solar feature). In short, this mystery radiation would operate like the A-B effect - except with respect to the neutrino flux instead of with respect to charged particles. It could even be called a neutrino Aharonov-Bohm effect. QUOTE: Researchers have recorded data during 10 solar flares since 2006, seeing the same patternWe have repeatedly seen a precursor signal preceding a solar flare, Fischbach said. We think this has predictive value.
Re: [Vo]:A clue about Storms' mystery radiation?
Jones, I believe the Elliptical CMEs you see on the sun are made up of orbiting dark matter around the nucleus of the sun, which is also dark matter. They trigger beta decay in their surroundings, breaking up the hydrogen into protons, electrons and creating neutrinos. The elliptical CME arc at the sun is the same orbital arc the particles create on Earth while orbiting and creating low pressure systems in the atmosphere and beta decay in the Earth. Hurricane Sandy was an orbiting particle with a mass of approx 1x10e17 kg. Its beta decay triggered the large sinkhole in the Erie Canal as did Hurricane Isaac particle and the Bayou Corne sinkhole. http://astro.berkeley.edu/~mwhite/darkmatter/hdm.html http://arxiv.org/abs/1203.4165 On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 11:51 AM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: This story from Purdue is of interest for several unexplained energy phenomenon, including LENR and the recent disclosure of Ed Storms. That disclosure is suggestive a hidden kind of radiation which accelerates nuclear decay rates. http://www.purdue.edu/newsroom/releases/2012/Q3/new-system-could-predict-sol ar-flares,-give-advance-warning.html A known variety of radiation which can alter decay rates is neutrinos, except for the huge problem that neutrinos should not be detected or absorbed in anywhere close to the needed amount. The undefined radiation is associated with solar flares but precedes the flare. However, since neutrinos are always present in a massive flux that is relatively independent of flares, but would not be absorbed in anything like the proportions which are required to alter decay- does this finding not specifically suggest a new kind of radiation which renders neutrinos more active (absorbable)? I think that it does suggest this or something similar, but the University Researchers involved will not go that far. (as Mel Brooks sez: we have to protect our phony baloney jobs). To me, this finding suggests that the standard neutrino flux, which is a given, can be modulated or altered somehow, so as to be absorbed at many or orders of magnitude higher rates, when the mystery radiation is present (compared to normal). That radiation can be produced in LENR apparently, as well as in the solar corona. (note: the flare is a corona feature, which is a bit different than a solar feature). In short, this mystery radiation would operate like the A-B effect - except with respect to the neutrino flux instead of with respect to charged particles. It could even be called a neutrino Aharonov-Bohm effect. QUOTE: Researchers have recorded data during 10 solar flares since 2006, seeing the same patternWe have repeatedly seen a precursor signal preceding a solar flare, Fischbach said. We think this has predictive value.
RE: [Vo]:A clue about Storms' mystery radiation?
Yes, this is exactly the point. The solar neutrino rate does not vary noticeably due to flares. Instead another kind of radiation precedes flares, and is measureable on earth as accelerated decay rates. This new kind of radiation could possibly correspond to what Storms describes. The radiation itself would not need to be measureable in its own right - only its effect on the neutrino flux. Thus, the close analogy to the Aharonov-Bohm effect. From: David Roberson Jones, do you have an estimate of the actual per cent increase of the total neutrino flux that occurs during a flare as compared to the normal flux? I would expect the increase to be virtually un measurable unless there is something interesting going on within the Sun's center where copious amounts of neutrinos are produced. Is a solar flare more than a very tiny disruption of the average solar environment? Dave -Original Message- From: Jones Beene This story from Purdue is of interest for several unexplained energy phenomenon, including LENR and the recent disclosure of Ed Storms. That disclosure is suggestive a hidden kind of radiation which accelerates nuclear decay rates. http://www.purdue.edu/newsroom/releases/2012/Q3/new-system-could-predict-sol ar-flares,-give-advance-warning.html A known variety of radiation which can alter decay rates is neutrinos, except for the huge problem that neutrinos should not be detected or absorbed in anywhere close to the needed amount. The undefined radiation is associated with solar flares but precedes the flare. However, since neutrinos are always present in a massive flux that is relatively independent of flares, but would not be absorbed in anything like the proportions which are required to alter decay- does this finding not specifically suggest a new kind of radiation which renders neutrinos more active (absorbable)? I think that it does suggest this or something similar, but the University Researchers involved will not go that far. (as Mel Brooks sez: we have to protect our phony baloney jobs). To me, this finding suggests that the standard neutrino flux, which is a given, can be modulated or altered somehow, so as to be absorbed at many or orders of magnitude higher rates, when the mystery radiation is present (compared to normal). That radiation can be produced in LENR apparently, as well as in the solar corona. (note: the flare is a corona feature, which is a bit different than a solar feature). In short, this mystery radiation would operate like the A-B effect - except with respect to the neutrino flux instead of with respect to charged particles. It could even be called a neutrino Aharonov-Bohm effect. QUOTE: Researchers have recorded data during 10 solar flares since 2006, seeing the same patternWe have repeatedly seen a precursor signal preceding a solar flare, Fischbach said. We think this has predictive value.
RE: [Vo]:A clue about Storms' mystery radiation?
Hi - I'm confused by your references. These two citations appear to be incompatible. The Berkeley paper suggests neutrinos and dark matter are identical or else neutrinos are an energetic subset of dark matter. However, neutrinos cannot orbit anything since they have no charge or magnetic susceptibility and only miniscule mass. Presumably, they move in a near straight line at c. most of the time. How can a massive particle be composed of nearly mass-less neutrinos, and how could they orbit anything or appear to have a very large collective mass? From: ChemE Stewart [mailto:cheme...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, November 19, 2012 9:04 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:A clue about Storms' mystery radiation? Jones, I believe the Elliptical CMEs you see on the sun are made up of orbiting dark matter around the nucleus of the sun, which is also dark matter. They trigger beta decay in their surroundings, breaking up the hydrogen into protons, electrons and creating neutrinos. The elliptical CME arc at the sun is the same orbital arc the particles create on Earth while orbiting and creating low pressure systems in the atmosphere and beta decay in the Earth. Hurricane Sandy was an orbiting particle with a mass of approx 1x10e17 kg. Its beta decay triggered the large sinkhole in the Erie Canal as did Hurricane Isaac particle and the Bayou Corne sinkhole. http://astro.berkeley.edu/~mwhite/darkmatter/hdm.html http://arxiv.org/abs/1203.4165 On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 11:51 AM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: This story from Purdue is of interest for several unexplained energy phenomenon, including LENR and the recent disclosure of Ed Storms. That disclosure is suggestive a hidden kind of radiation which accelerates nuclear decay rates. http://www.purdue.edu/newsroom/releases/2012/Q3/new-system-could-predict-sol http://www.purdue.edu/newsroom/releases/2012/Q3/new-system-could-predict-so l%0d%0aar-flares,-give-advance-warning.html ar-flares,-give-advance-warning.html A known variety of radiation which can alter decay rates is neutrinos, except for the huge problem that neutrinos should not be detected or absorbed in anywhere close to the needed amount. The undefined radiation is associated with solar flares but precedes the flare. However, since neutrinos are always present in a massive flux that is relatively independent of flares, but would not be absorbed in anything like the proportions which are required to alter decay- does this finding not specifically suggest a new kind of radiation which renders neutrinos more active (absorbable)? I think that it does suggest this or something similar, but the University Researchers involved will not go that far. (as Mel Brooks sez: we have to protect our phony baloney jobs). To me, this finding suggests that the standard neutrino flux, which is a given, can be modulated or altered somehow, so as to be absorbed at many or orders of magnitude higher rates, when the mystery radiation is present (compared to normal). That radiation can be produced in LENR apparently, as well as in the solar corona. (note: the flare is a corona feature, which is a bit different than a solar feature). In short, this mystery radiation would operate like the A-B effect - except with respect to the neutrino flux instead of with respect to charged particles. It could even be called a neutrino Aharonov-Bohm effect. QUOTE: Researchers have recorded data during 10 solar flares since 2006, seeing the same patternWe have repeatedly seen a precursor signal preceding a solar flare, Fischbach said. We think this has predictive value.
Re: [Vo]:A clue about Storms' mystery radiation?
Big brother
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weakly_interacting_massive_particles
On Monday, November 19, 2012, Jones Beene wrote:
Hi - I’m confused by your references. These two citations appear to be
incompatible. The Berkeley paper suggests neutrinos and dark matter are
identical or else neutrinos are an energetic subset of dark matter.
However, neutrinos cannot “orbit” anything since they have no charge or
magnetic susceptibility and only miniscule mass. Presumably, they move in a
near straight line at c. most of the time.
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How can a massive “particle” be composed of nearly mass-less neutrinos,
and how could they orbit anything or appear to have a very large collective
mass?
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*From:* ChemE Stewart [mailto:cheme...@gmail.com javascript:_e({},
'cvml', 'cheme...@gmail.com');]
*Sent:* Monday, November 19, 2012 9:04 AM
*To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com javascript:_e({}, 'cvml',
'vortex-l@eskimo.com');
*Subject:* Re: [Vo]:A clue about Storms' mystery radiation?
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Jones,
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I believe the Elliptical CMEs you see on the sun are made up of orbiting
dark matter around the nucleus of the sun, which is also dark matter. They
trigger beta decay in their surroundings, breaking up the hydrogen into
protons, electrons and creating neutrinos. The elliptical CME arc at the
sun is the same orbital arc the particles create on Earth while orbiting
and creating low pressure systems in the atmosphere and beta decay in the
Earth. Hurricane Sandy was an orbiting particle with a mass of approx
1x10e17 kg. Its beta decay triggered the large sinkhole in the Erie Canal
as did Hurricane Isaac particle and the Bayou Corne sinkhole.
** **
http://astro.berkeley.edu/~mwhite/darkmatter/hdm.html
http://arxiv.org/abs/1203.4165
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On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 11:51 AM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:
This story from Purdue is of interest for several
unexplained energy phenomenon, including LENR and the recent disclosure of
Ed Storms. That disclosure is suggestive a hidden kind of radiation which
accelerates nuclear decay rates.
http://www.purdue.edu/newsroom/releases/2012/Q3/new-system-could-predict-sol
ar-flares,-give-advance-warning.htmlhttp://www.purdue.edu/newsroom/releases/2012/Q3/new-system-could-predict-sol%0d%0aar-flares,-give-advance-warning.html
A known variety of radiation which can alter decay rates is
neutrinos, except for the huge problem that neutrinos should not be
detected
or absorbed in anywhere close to the needed amount.
The undefined radiation is associated with solar flares but
precedes the flare. However, since neutrinos are always present in a
massive
flux that is relatively independent of flares, but would not be absorbed in
anything like the proportions which are required to alter decay- does this
finding not specifically suggest a new kind of radiation which renders
neutrinos more active (absorbable)?
I think that it does suggest this or something similar, but
the University Researchers involved will not go that far. (as Mel Brooks
sez: we have to protect our phony baloney jobs).
To me, this finding suggests that the standard neutrino
flux, which is a given, can be modulated or altered somehow, so as to be
absorbed at many or orders of magnitude higher rates, when the mystery
radiation is present (compared to normal). That radiation can be produced
in
LENR apparently, as well as in the solar corona. (note: the flare is a
corona feature, which is a bit different than a solar feature).
In short, this mystery radiation would opera
Re: [Vo]:A clue about Storms' mystery radiation?
In the early 1990's, physicist Ken Shoulders received five patents for his discovery of the High Density Charge Cluster (HDCC), a relatively discrete, self-contained, negatively-charged, high-density state of matter (a bundle of electrons that) appears to be produced by the application of a high electrical field between a cathode and an anode (i.e. 2-10 kV at the tip of a sharply pointed electrode). It can also be described as 'a spherical mono pole oscillator'. Shoulders has given it the name 'Electrum Validium' (EV), meaning strong electron. EVs have been credited with accomplishing CF transmutations. Ken Shoulders invented also a method of Plasma-Injected Transmutation for the remediation of nuclear waste by EVs, and has demonstrated the complete elimination of radioactivity in high-level nuclear material. See: Kenneth Shoulders, US Patents #5018180, #5054047, #5123039 and #5148461 EVs apparently function as a collective accelerator with sufficient energy to inject a large group of nuclei into a target and promote nuclear cluster reactions. The composition of EVs allows for the inclusion of some 1,000,000 nuclides. Ions can be added to EVs until the net charge becomes positive. Such EVs are called Nuclide-EVs (NEVs). According to shoulders: The NEV acts as an ultra-massive, negative ion with high charge-to-mass ratio. This provides the function of a simple nuclear accelerator. Such nuclear reactions are fundamentally an event involving large numbers, and not one of widely isolated events working at an atomic level. Shoulders offers an ad hoc explanation of these results as being due largely to a nuclear cluster reaction having an unknown form of coherence. Ed Storms crack experiment may be forming high charge separation within the crack near or at the site of transmutation that will accelerate nuclear reactions rates. Cheers:axil On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 11:51 AM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: This story from Purdue is of interest for several unexplained energy phenomenon, including LENR and the recent disclosure of Ed Storms. That disclosure is suggestive a hidden kind of radiation which accelerates nuclear decay rates. http://www.purdue.edu/newsroom/releases/2012/Q3/new-system-could-predict-sol ar-flares,-give-advance-warning.htmlhttp://www.purdue.edu/newsroom/releases/2012/Q3/new-system-could-predict-solar-flares,-give-advance-warning.html A known variety of radiation which can alter decay rates is neutrinos, except for the huge problem that neutrinos should not be detected or absorbed in anywhere close to the needed amount. The undefined radiation is associated with solar flares but precedes the flare. However, since neutrinos are always present in a massive flux that is relatively independent of flares, but would not be absorbed in anything like the proportions which are required to alter decay- does this finding not specifically suggest a new kind of radiation which renders neutrinos more active (absorbable)? I think that it does suggest this or something similar, but the University Researchers involved will not go that far. (as Mel Brooks sez: we have to protect our phony baloney jobs). To me, this finding suggests that the standard neutrino flux, which is a given, can be modulated or altered somehow, so as to be absorbed at many or orders of magnitude higher rates, when the mystery radiation is present (compared to normal). That radiation can be produced in LENR apparently, as well as in the solar corona. (note: the flare is a corona feature, which is a bit different than a solar feature). In short, this mystery radiation would operate like the A-B effect - except with respect to the neutrino flux instead of with respect to charged particles. It could even be called a neutrino Aharonov-Bohm effect. QUOTE: Researchers have recorded data during 10 solar flares since 2006, seeing the same patternWe have repeatedly seen a precursor signal preceding a solar flare, Fischbach said. We think this has predictive value.
Re: [Vo]:A clue about Storms' mystery radiation?
In reply to Jones Beene's message of Mon, 19 Nov 2012 08:51:20 -0800: Hi, 1. More energetic neutrinos react more strongly with matter. 2. A massive localized fusion reaction somewhere below the surface of the Sun might take a day or so for the energy to reach the surface, and produce a CME. 3. Neutrinos produced during such a reaction would need to be more energetic than those from the p-p reaction, resulting in such neutrinos being more effective at triggering decay reactions on Earth (see #1). 4. Due to their low reaction rate with matter, neutrinos are barely restricted by the mass of the Sun, and reach the Earth just minutes after being created at the locality of the fusion reaction, thus providing a real time indication that the fusion reaction is taking place. 5. I once saw an estimate that it takes 1 years for fusion energy from the core to reach the surface. In which case the fusion reaction I posit here would need to be fairly shallow to reach the surface in just a day. 6. Such a fusion reaction would need to involve heavier elements than Hydrogen to explain the more energetic neutrinos. The Carbon cycle might be a reasonable candidate. (Both 13N 15O have fairly short half lives, so the cycle could proceed rapidly if the starting materials were present - especially if a supply of shrunken Hydrinos were on hand to reduce the tunneling time). This story from Purdue is of interest for several unexplained energy phenomenon, including LENR and the recent disclosure of Ed Storms. That disclosure is suggestive a hidden kind of radiation which accelerates nuclear decay rates. http://www.purdue.edu/newsroom/releases/2012/Q3/new-system-could-predict-sol ar-flares,-give-advance-warning.html A known variety of radiation which can alter decay rates is neutrinos, except for the huge problem that neutrinos should not be detected or absorbed in anywhere close to the needed amount. The undefined radiation is associated with solar flares but precedes the flare. However, since neutrinos are always present in a massive flux that is relatively independent of flares, but would not be absorbed in anything like the proportions which are required to alter decay- does this finding not specifically suggest a new kind of radiation which renders neutrinos more active (absorbable)? I think that it does suggest this or something similar, but the University Researchers involved will not go that far. (as Mel Brooks sez: we have to protect our phony baloney jobs). To me, this finding suggests that the standard neutrino flux, which is a given, can be modulated or altered somehow, so as to be absorbed at many or orders of magnitude higher rates, when the mystery radiation is present (compared to normal). That radiation can be produced in LENR apparently, as well as in the solar corona. (note: the flare is a corona feature, which is a bit different than a solar feature). In short, this mystery radiation would operate like the A-B effect - except with respect to the neutrino flux instead of with respect to charged particles. It could even be called a neutrino Aharonov-Bohm effect. QUOTE: Researchers have recorded data during 10 solar flares since 2006, seeing the same patternWe have repeatedly seen a precursor signal preceding a solar flare, Fischbach said. We think this has predictive value. Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html
