Re: [Vo]:A preliminary look at Mizuno's air flow calorimetry spreadsheets
I uploaded a revised preprint with more info on the equations. http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/MizunoTpreprintob.pdf I guess I will fix the notes in the spreadsheets. It is probably a good exercise for me. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:A preliminary look at Mizuno's air flow calorimetry spreadsheets
There was a difference between the Calibration spreadsheet and the Excess heat one. I made them exactly the same. The results from the Excess heat version are now now closer to Bryant's, which is derived by a different method. I described this in this message: https://www.lenr-forum.com/forum/thread/5340-mizuno-publicat ion-of-kw-cop2-excess-heat-results/?postID=70877#post70877 The sheets are here: https://drive.google.com/open?id=11sHkudm0bSsaA4QF_Er0UahtG1 ZPAJmAJmejB6EMipY https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vTcriHguOWtG hIQmTR1f0PZamEsAjyWHHvCYvUTg74to3nDJNRdFJk5ItVZEQYguD8iWilv7s3rgqXA/pubhtml Part of message: The Calibration equations were a little different from the Excess heat equations. I have now made them exactly the same: AP Blower/m/s =-3.70072*EXP((AA12)/-1.37463)+3.98859 AQ Air weight/kg =(AP12)*0.0044*(3.391*EXP(-(((E12)+(D12))*0.5+273.2)/201.26)+0.41529) AR Wout/W =(AQ12)*1006*(AD12)*1.26 That changes the ratio at the top of the screen to: Input/J Output/J Out/In ratio 2,484,372 3,862,448 1.55
RE: [Vo]:A preliminary look at Mizuno's air flow calorimetry spreadsheets
Jed— You noted: “Come to think of it, I do not recall that he has any instruments to do this. So I suggest you replicate the experiment and do this yourself.” Thanks for the nice suggestion. I did my first experiments with a spectrometer in 1958, but do not have the facility to do such testing anymore.. MFMP is In a good position to do the Mizuno replication with a spectrometer. The fuel preparation seems to be key. I would help fund a good EM spectrum analyzer for MFM,P if they do not already have access to one. I am surprised you have not suggested this to Mizuno, given your involvement in the Mizuno’s efforts over the years. There must be hundreds of such analyzers in Japan. ‘ I have written a request for information from a researcher knowledgeable in the field of emission spectroscopy for a suggestion about instruments useful for evaulating the energy source of the dusty plasma heating described in the Mizuno report. Bob Cook From: Jed Rothwell<mailto:jedrothw...@gmail.com> Sent: Thursday, September 7, 2017 6:43 AM To: Vortex<mailto:vortex-l@eskimo.com> Subject: Re: [Vo]:A preliminary look at Mizuno's air flow calorimetry spreadsheets I wrote: bobcook39...@hotmail.com<mailto:bobcook39...@hotmail.com> mailto:bobcook39...@hotmail.com>> wrote: Jed noted: “”Mizuno is being 100% open! What more do you want from him? Answer: The EM energy spectrum he saw through his reactor’s window! And any other data regarding the LENR process. he knows about. Have you asked him for this? Come to think of it, I do not recall that he has any instruments to do this. So I suggest you replicate the experiment and do this yourself. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:A preliminary look at Mizuno's air flow calorimetry spreadsheets
I wrote: bobcook39...@hotmail.com wrote: > > Jed noted: “”Mizuno is being 100% open! What more do you want from him? >> >> >> >> Answer: >> >> >> >> The EM energy spectrum he saw through his reactor’s window! And any other >> data regarding the LENR process. >> >> he knows about. >> > > Have you asked him for this? > Come to think of it, I do not recall that he has any instruments to do this. So I suggest you replicate the experiment and do this yourself. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:A preliminary look at Mizuno's air flow calorimetry spreadsheets
bobcook39...@hotmail.com wrote: Jed noted: “”Mizuno is being 100% open! What more do you want from him? > > > > Answer: > > > > The EM energy spectrum he saw through his reactor’s window! And any other > data regarding the LENR process. > > he knows about. > Have you asked him for this? - Jed
RE: [Vo]:A preliminary look at Mizuno's air flow calorimetry spreadsheets
Jed noted: “”Mizuno is being 100% open! What more do you want from him? Answer: The EM energy spectrum he saw through his reactor’s window! And any other data regarding the LENR process. he knows about. Bob Cook From: Jed Rothwell<mailto:jedrothw...@gmail.com> Sent: Wednesday, September 6, 2017 6:24 PM To: Vortex<mailto:vortex-l@eskimo.com> Subject: Re: [Vo]:A preliminary look at Mizuno's air flow calorimetry spreadsheets bobcook39...@hotmail.com<mailto:bobcook39...@hotmail.com> mailto:bobcook39...@hotmail.com>> wrote: Unfortunately, Mizuno’s spread sheets regarding calorimetry inform next to nothing about the science of LENR. (DARK SCIENCE IS THE IN THING AROUND THE WORLD.) What does that mean? The spreadsheets are the raw data, and they show how he processes it. You can analyze them and decide for yourself whether he is doing it correctly. If he is, there is anomalous excess heat. What else can you expect from these spreadsheets? What more information could they provide? When I say these spreadsheets are the raw data, I mean that his Hewlett Packard data logger records data directly into them, except it is an older format. You are looking at the raw numbers. There is no other data and nothing more detailed. MFMP is the only light on the scene. and that light . They have not seen any excess heat. They have made no contribution, and their results are of no interest to anyone. They have made a brave effort and worked hard, and I admire them, but they have not achieved anything. Even the Swedish folks seem to have slipped into the darkness with their advocacy of open science. Mizuno is being 100% open! What more do you want from him? - Jed
Re: [Vo]:A preliminary look at Mizuno's air flow calorimetry spreadsheets
bobcook39...@hotmail.com wrote: Unfortunately, Mizuno’s spread sheets regarding calorimetry inform next to > nothing about the science of LENR. (DARK SCIENCE IS THE IN THING AROUND > THE WORLD.) > What does that mean? The spreadsheets are the raw data, and they show how he processes it. You can analyze them and decide for yourself whether he is doing it correctly. If he is, there is anomalous excess heat. What else can you expect from these spreadsheets? What more information could they provide? When I say these spreadsheets are the raw data, I mean that his Hewlett Packard data logger records data directly into them, except it is an older format. You are looking at the raw numbers. There is no other data and nothing more detailed. > MFMP is the only light on the scene. and that light . > They have not seen any excess heat. They have made no contribution, and their results are of no interest to anyone. They have made a brave effort and worked hard, and I admire them, but they have not achieved anything. > Even the Swedish folks seem to have slipped into the darkness with their > advocacy of open science. > Mizuno is being 100% open! What more do you want from him? - Jed
RE: [Vo]:A preliminary look at Mizuno's air flow calorimetry spreadsheets
Unfortunately, Mizuno’s spread sheets regarding calorimetry inform next to nothing about the science of LENR. (DARK SCIENCE IS THE IN THING AROUND THE WORLD.) MFMP is the only light on the scene. and that light . Even the Swedish folks seem to have slipped into the darkness with their advocacy of open science. So much for Nobel: He’s turning in his grave. The Indian, Japanese and/or Chinese dark LENR R&D may be the real competition for Rossi, given their need for alternate safe energy sources that cannot produce a Fukushima type disaster. Bob Cook From: Jed Rothwell<mailto:jedrothw...@gmail.com> Sent: Monday, September 4, 2017 11:53 AM To: Vortex<mailto:vortex-l@eskimo.com> Subject: Re: [Vo]:A preliminary look at Mizuno's air flow calorimetry spreadsheets I now have the entire 9 hours of the 120 W calibration. I have uploaded the spreadsheet here: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vTcriHguOWtGhIQmTR1f0PZamEsAjyWHHvCYvUTg74to3nDJNRdFJk5ItVZEQYguD8iWilv7s3rgqXA/pubhtml I uploaded a graph from the Excel version here: https://www.lenr-forum.com/forum/thread/5340-mizuno-publication-of-kw-cop2-excess-heat-results/?postID=70654#post70654 The graphs in the Google spreadsheet seemed to survive the transition better than last time, so I left them in the Google sheet, but the Excel graph looks better. Here is the main thing. in the calibration (just uploaded) the Delta T temperature goes to 4.5°C and it stays there, stable. When the power is turned off, it falls rapidly back to zero, straight down. Under what appears to be identical calorimetry, with the same input power, the excess heat Delta T goes up to 7.5°C, and then when the power is cut, it takes longer to reach zero. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:A preliminary look at Mizuno's air flow calorimetry spreadsheets
I now have the entire 9 hours of the 120 W calibration. I have uploaded the spreadsheet here: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vTcriHguOWtGhIQmTR1f0PZamEsAjyWHHvCYvUTg74to3nDJNRdFJk5ItVZEQYguD8iWilv7s3rgqXA/pubhtml I uploaded a graph from the Excel version here: https://www.lenr-forum.com/forum/thread/5340-mizuno-publication-of-kw-cop2-excess-heat-results/?postID=70654#post70654 The graphs in the Google spreadsheet seemed to survive the transition better than last time, so I left them in the Google sheet, but the Excel graph looks better. Here is the main thing. in the calibration (just uploaded) the Delta T temperature goes to 4.5°C and it stays there, stable. When the power is turned off, it falls rapidly back to zero, straight down. Under what appears to be identical calorimetry, with the same input power, the excess heat Delta T goes up to 7.5°C, and then when the power is cut, it takes longer to reach zero. - Jed
