RE: EXTERNAL: RE: [Vo]:C60D60 - Fullerene Deuteride as a fusion fuel?
Jones, I have always railed against this 2nm limitation as you approach the walls of a cavity - I think this is why Horrace objected to my theory - being too weak by magnitudes at these distances to account for the anomalous energies claimed however my relativistic interpretation of Casimir effect is based on Naudt's paper describing hydrinos as relativistic hydrogen.. It sidesteps this issue because the limitation doesn't exist locally for the hydrogen as the available space continues to enlarge by placing the hydrogen in a different inertial frame - it contracts from our perspective. IOW the stress of pillaring casimir mirrors apart so that they can't move warps space time between them and these 2nm measurments you mentioned are a limitation only from our perspective outside the cavity. In the diminishing 3d volume we perceive from outside the cavity the moving hydrogen must be approaching within 2nm of the walls but locally inside the narrowing cavity these hydrogen perceive the walls shrinking away as they are bathed in and surrounded by full size virtual particles that shouldn't be able to fit there either... IMHO this lattice mechanism is why so much gas can load into a lattice - the conductive lattice of the metal is reforming the interstitial space relativistically .. by forcing the stream of virtual particles to slip through our 3d plane at a different angle similar to what happens to a spaceship approaching C but without the need for spatial displacement. This does allow energy in from another dimension because you are exposing freely moving gas to changes in inertia based on these changes in Casimir force but the difficulty is in making the path asymmetrical or the gas atoms will simply convert between different fractional values without any local awareness. The Lyne atomic oven or MAHG were based on a atomic vs molecular reaction to changes in the geometry [DCE] but many of the other theories suggested here on vortex would also model an asymmetrical path to exploit the differences between inertial frames being visited. I also think this is why we have claims of time dilation / radioactive decay anomalies in this field - the metal lattice segregates vacuum wavelengths such that you have concentrated regions of high suppression being fed by other perhaps more distributed regions of low suppression and whatever regions the gas atoms favor due to their geometry and flow determines the degree and direction of dilation. Fran _ From: Jones Beene [mailto:jone...@pacbell.net] Sent: Friday, June 27, 2014 1:38 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: EXTERNAL: RE: [Vo]:C60D60 - Fullerene Deuteride as a fusion fuel? Fran, An interesting point about the FD - is in the context of the Casimir force. For a moment let's consider an "empty" Fullerene. A lot is known about them http://web.mit.edu/anish/www/Carbon-JBH-2004.pdf Of course, the sphere itself, if large enough, could be a Casimir cavity which would then perhaps have a zone of energy alteration inside the sphere. The carbon walls, however, are too strong to compress, so there is no internal "force" per se. Would a zone of energy depletion then tend to draw in mass from another dimension? That is this premise. No fusion, simply a gateway for something like "quantum foam" (Wheeler conception). My understanding is that the maximum value of the Casimir force is found at 2nm wall separation. Is that your understanding? This corresponds to a diameter of which is larger than the interior space of the C60 sphere. See the images above - and the conclusion that the diameter of the C60 is about 7 angstrom. This is actually smaller than the Bohr diameter (twice the Bohr radius). Since even hydrogen is not encouraged to enter - there should be an ultra vacuum inside C60. Anyway - the point is that if the FD is also a Casimir cavity, albeit too small and too strong to allow the contents to be pressurized by the Casimir force, and not the most robust cavity size for gain; yet - this cavity could still serve as a "wormhole" to the Dirac Sea since its interior is "beyond a vacuum" in also excluding radiation and atoms. ___ Imagine... a Fullerene... which is of course 60 atoms of carbon arranged in the famous tightly bound sphere, and known to be superconductor in certain conditions -- but now we fully hydrogenate these carbon atoms with deuterium to produce C60D60. I can think of no reason that this cannot be done. A brief google turns up nothing for this exact species, but did turn up an indication that the hydrogen version, C60H60 has been made in the Lab... If C60 will hydrogenate at all, then it should be possible to use only deuterium to arrive at C60D60. The reason: well, consider that FD or Fullerene Deu
RE: [Vo]:C60D60 - Fullerene Deuteride as a fusion fuel?
Oops. Hasty error. ... the diameter of the C60 is about 7 angstrom. This is actually smaller than the Bohr diameter (twice the Bohr radius). Since even hydrogen is not encouraged to enter - there should be an ultra vacuum inside C60. Actually there is plenty of room inside the C60. Missed a decimal point. There could still be a hyper-vacuum state inside... depending on fabrication parameters. <>
Re: [Vo]:C60D60 - Fullerene Deuteride as a fusion fuel?
An additional thought on the LENR science. Once the science is identified,backed by world accepted theory, the various patent offices with have to accept patents and invention using the science with take off at an ever increasing rate. This could happen pretty fast and draw even more of the investment funds into the LENR circle. Bob PS: I am optimistic. Sent from Windows Mail From: Bob Cook Sent: Friday, June 27, 2014 10:15 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Jed several days ago listed the link to the Japanese CF Society Conference papers. Its 235 pages of interesting experimental and theoretical content. http://www.jcfrs.org/file/jcf14-proceedings.pdf Some of the theory claims to explain much of the CF phenomena. There seems to be reported a good deal of energy reactions in the order of 100’s of ev per reaction. Vortexers should be aware of this information. I suspect that the Swedish professors have called in the experts to help resolve the theory associated with the N-H reaction and make the science as sound as can be to support the acceptance by the money sources. It did not come through to my regular email account. One needs to access Jed’s item via the Vortex-l page. Bob Sent from Windows Mail From: Jones Beene Sent: Friday, June 27, 2014 9:38 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Fran, An interesting point about the FD - is in the context of the Casimir force. For a moment let's consider an "empty" Fullerene. A lot is known about them http://web.mit.edu/anish/www/Carbon-JBH-2004.pdf Of course, the sphere itself, if large enough, could be a Casimir cavity which would then perhaps have a zone of energy alteration inside the sphere. The carbon walls, however, are too strong to compress, so there is no internal "force" per se. Would a zone of energy depletion then tend to draw in mass from another dimension? That is this premise. No fusion, simply a gateway for something like "quantum foam" (Wheeler conception). My understanding is that the maximum value of the Casimir force is found at 2nm wall separation. Is that your understanding? This corresponds to a diameter of which is larger than the interior space of the C60 sphere. See the images above - and the conclusion that the diameter of the C60 is about 7 angstrom. This is actually smaller than the Bohr diameter (twice the Bohr radius). Since even hydrogen is not encouraged to enter - there should be an ultra vacuum inside C60. Anyway - the point is that if the FD is also a Casimir cavity, albeit too small and too strong to allow the contents to be pressurized by the Casimir force, and not the most robust cavity size for gain; yet - this cavity could still serve as a "wormhole" to the Dirac Sea since its interior is "beyond a vacuum" in also excluding radiation and atoms. ___ Imagine... a Fullerene... which is of course 60 atoms of carbon arranged in the famous tightly bound sphere, and known to be superconductor in certain conditions -- but now we fully hydrogenate these carbon atoms with deuterium to produce C60D60. I can think of no reason that this cannot be done. A brief google turns up nothing for this exact species, but did turn up an indication that the hydrogen version, C60H60 has been made in the Lab... If C60 will hydrogenate at all, then it should be possible to use only deuterium to arrive at C60D60. The reason: well, consider that FD or Fullerene Deuteride - C60D60 - would have interesting nuclear properties - as a massive stable boson in a dense unit. Eat your heart out, Higgs :-) Carbon is all three boson types: a nuclear boson, an atomic boson and a molecular boson. Ditto for deuterium. Ditto for FD but, wow... FD has an atomic weight of 840 amu. That's almost 7 times more massive than the Higgs, and extremely stable. It is probably superconductive as well, but that is a guess. Thus, FD would be a massive boson in a perfect sphere containing nuclear active isotopes and possibly superconductive, and one more feature - in the size range of many excitons. Of course, there are larger Fullerenes (in amu) but carbon alone has high nuclear stability so having lots of deuterium present could make this hyper-boson most interesting for fusion ... say as a target for ICF... or even for implosion by SPP. Who knows? FD-CF or FD-ICF ... take your pick. You heard it first on Vortex... :-)
Re: [Vo]:C60D60 - Fullerene Deuteride as a fusion fuel?
Jed several days ago listed the link to the Japanese CF Society Conference papers. Its 235 pages of interesting experimental and theoretical content. http://www.jcfrs.org/file/jcf14-proceedings.pdf Some of the theory claims to explain much of the CF phenomena. There seems to be reported a good deal of energy reactions in the order of 100’s of ev per reaction. Vortexers should be aware of this information. I suspect that the Swedish professors have called in the experts to help resolve the theory associated with the N-H reaction and make the science as sound as can be to support the acceptance by the money sources. It did not come through to my regular email account. One needs to access Jed’s item via the Vortex-l page. Bob Sent from Windows Mail From: Jones Beene Sent: Friday, June 27, 2014 9:38 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Fran, An interesting point about the FD - is in the context of the Casimir force. For a moment let's consider an "empty" Fullerene. A lot is known about them http://web.mit.edu/anish/www/Carbon-JBH-2004.pdf Of course, the sphere itself, if large enough, could be a Casimir cavity which would then perhaps have a zone of energy alteration inside the sphere. The carbon walls, however, are too strong to compress, so there is no internal "force" per se. Would a zone of energy depletion then tend to draw in mass from another dimension? That is this premise. No fusion, simply a gateway for something like "quantum foam" (Wheeler conception). My understanding is that the maximum value of the Casimir force is found at 2nm wall separation. Is that your understanding? This corresponds to a diameter of which is larger than the interior space of the C60 sphere. See the images above - and the conclusion that the diameter of the C60 is about 7 angstrom. This is actually smaller than the Bohr diameter (twice the Bohr radius). Since even hydrogen is not encouraged to enter - there should be an ultra vacuum inside C60. Anyway - the point is that if the FD is also a Casimir cavity, albeit too small and too strong to allow the contents to be pressurized by the Casimir force, and not the most robust cavity size for gain; yet - this cavity could still serve as a "wormhole" to the Dirac Sea since its interior is "beyond a vacuum" in also excluding radiation and atoms. ___ Imagine... a Fullerene... which is of course 60 atoms of carbon arranged in the famous tightly bound sphere, and known to be superconductor in certain conditions -- but now we fully hydrogenate these carbon atoms with deuterium to produce C60D60. I can think of no reason that this cannot be done. A brief google turns up nothing for this exact species, but did turn up an indication that the hydrogen version, C60H60 has been made in the Lab... If C60 will hydrogenate at all, then it should be possible to use only deuterium to arrive at C60D60. The reason: well, consider that FD or Fullerene Deuteride - C60D60 - would have interesting nuclear properties - as a massive stable boson in a dense unit. Eat your heart out, Higgs :-) Carbon is all three boson types: a nuclear boson, an atomic boson and a molecular boson. Ditto for deuterium. Ditto for FD but, wow... FD has an atomic weight of 840 amu. That's almost 7 times more massive than the Higgs, and extremely stable. It is probably superconductive as well, but that is a guess. Thus, FD would be a massive boson in a perfect sphere containing nuclear active isotopes and possibly superconductive, and one more feature - in the size range of many excitons. Of course, there are larger Fullerenes (in amu) but carbon alone has high nuclear stability so having lots of deuterium present could make this hyper-boson most interesting for fusion ... say as a target for ICF... or even for implosion by SPP. Who knows? FD-CF or FD-ICF ... take your pick. You heard it first on Vortex... :-)
RE: [Vo]:C60D60 - Fullerene Deuteride as a fusion fuel?
Fran, An interesting point about the FD - is in the context of the Casimir force. For a moment let's consider an "empty" Fullerene. A lot is known about them http://web.mit.edu/anish/www/Carbon-JBH-2004.pdf Of course, the sphere itself, if large enough, could be a Casimir cavity which would then perhaps have a zone of energy alteration inside the sphere. The carbon walls, however, are too strong to compress, so there is no internal "force" per se. Would a zone of energy depletion then tend to draw in mass from another dimension? That is this premise. No fusion, simply a gateway for something like "quantum foam" (Wheeler conception). My understanding is that the maximum value of the Casimir force is found at 2nm wall separation. Is that your understanding? This corresponds to a diameter of which is larger than the interior space of the C60 sphere. See the images above - and the conclusion that the diameter of the C60 is about 7 angstrom. This is actually smaller than the Bohr diameter (twice the Bohr radius). Since even hydrogen is not encouraged to enter - there should be an ultra vacuum inside C60. Anyway - the point is that if the FD is also a Casimir cavity, albeit too small and too strong to allow the contents to be pressurized by the Casimir force, and not the most robust cavity size for gain; yet - this cavity could still serve as a "wormhole" to the Dirac Sea since its interior is "beyond a vacuum" in also excluding radiation and atoms. ___ Imagine... a Fullerene... which is of course 60 atoms of carbon arranged in the famous tightly bound sphere, and known to be superconductor in certain conditions -- but now we fully hydrogenate these carbon atoms with deuterium to produce C60D60. I can think of no reason that this cannot be done. A brief google turns up nothing for this exact species, but did turn up an indication that the hydrogen version, C60H60 has been made in the Lab... If C60 will hydrogenate at all, then it should be possible to use only deuterium to arrive at C60D60. The reason: well, consider that FD or Fullerene Deuteride - C60D60 - would have interesting nuclear properties - as a massive stable boson in a dense unit. Eat your heart out, Higgs :-) Carbon is all three boson types: a nuclear boson, an atomic boson and a molecular boson. Ditto for deuterium. Ditto for FD but, wow... FD has an atomic weight of 840 amu. That's almost 7 times more massive than the Higgs, and extremely stable. It is probably superconductive as well, but that is a guess. Thus, FD would be a massive boson in a perfect sphere containing nuclear active isotopes and possibly superconductive, and one more feature - in the size range of many excitons. Of course, there are larger Fullerenes (in amu) but carbon alone has high nuclear stability so having lots of deuterium present could make this hyper-boson most interesting for fusion ... say as a target for ICF... or even for implosion by SPP. Who knows? FD-CF or FD-ICF ... take your pick. You heard it first on Vortex... :-) <>
Re: [Vo]:C60D60 - Fullerene Deuteride as a fusion fuel?
you mean C60 D59 correct? A solid carbon bucky but a starved D bucky loaded into the C lattice. the natural gas mobility would be always trying to fill that missing hole and create another in doing so. From: Kevin O'Malley [mailto:kevmol...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, June 27, 2014 1:24 AM To: vortex-l Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:C60D60 - Fullerene Deuteride as a fusion fuel? On Thu, Jun 26, 2014 at 8:54 PM, Jones Beene mailto:jone...@pacbell.net>> wrote: Imagine... a Fullerene... which is of course 60 atoms of carbon arranged in the famous tightly bound sphere, and known to be superconductor in certain conditions -- but now we fully hydrogenate these carbon atoms with deuterium to produce C60D60. ***What I would like to imagine is a fullerene with a hole in it (and filled with Deuterium). It would be something like C59D60. Perhaps it would jet around like a balloon that you blow up and let go. Imagine CNTs with trillions of one-hole C59D60s inside, all pointing their exit vectors in one direction. It would be gunpowder cannons raised to the 4400th power.
Re: [Vo]:C60D60 - Fullerene Deuteride as a fusion fuel?
On Thu, Jun 26, 2014 at 8:54 PM, Jones Beene wrote: > > Imagine... a Fullerene... which is of course 60 atoms of carbon arranged in > the famous tightly bound sphere, and known to be superconductor in certain > conditions -- but now we fully hydrogenate these carbon atoms with > deuterium > to produce C60D60. > ***What I would like to imagine is a fullerene with a hole in it (and filled with Deuterium). It would be something like C59D60. Perhaps it would jet around like a balloon that you blow up and let go. Imagine CNTs with trillions of one-hole C59D60s inside, all pointing their exit vectors in one direction. It would be gunpowder cannons raised to the 4400th power.
Re: [Vo]:C60D60 - Fullerene Deuteride as a fusion fuel?
For a while we saw dozens of PhD dissertations of someone's favorite molecule entrapped in a fullerene. Why not ours? But CNTs make more sense for a V1DLLBEC theory. You constrain every vibrational reaction direction except up-or-down the tube. Things happen in 1 direction that don't happen in 2 or 3 directions. In the case you are speculating about, it would be that things happen in 0 directions, right? On Thu, Jun 26, 2014 at 8:54 PM, Jones Beene wrote: > > Imagine... a Fullerene... which is of course 60 atoms of carbon arranged in > the famous tightly bound sphere, and known to be superconductor in certain > conditions -- but now we fully hydrogenate these carbon atoms with > deuterium > to produce C60D60. > > I can think of no reason that this cannot be done. A brief google turns up > nothing for this exact species, but did turn up an indication that the > hydrogen version, C60H60 has been made in the Lab... If C60 will > hydrogenate > at all, then it should be possible to use only deuterium to arrive at > C60D60. > > The reason: well, consider that FD or Fullerene Deuteride - C60D60 - would > have interesting nuclear properties - as a massive stable boson in a dense > unit. Eat your heart out, Higgs :-) > > Carbon is all three boson types: a nuclear boson, an atomic boson and a > molecular boson. Ditto for deuterium. Ditto for FD but, wow... FD has an > atomic weight of 840 amu. That's almost 7 times more massive than the > Higgs, > and extremely stable. It is probably superconductive as well, but that is a > guess. > > Thus, FD would be a massive boson in a perfect sphere containing nuclear > active isotopes and possibly superconductive, and one more feature - in the > size range of many excitons. > > Of course, there are larger Fullerenes (in amu) but carbon alone has high > nuclear stability so having lots of deuterium present could make this > hyper-boson most interesting for fusion ... say as a target for ICF... or > even for implosion by SPP. Who knows? > > FD-CF or FD-ICF ... take your pick. > > You heard it first on Vortex... :-) > > >
