Re: [Vo]:LENR INFO, 2nd EDITION FOR JUNE 22, 2015
Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: The Cat and mouse control approach is as world changing as Edison’s use of a vacuum in the light bulb. I am sorry to be a pedant, but Edison did not invent that. He invented the high resistance filament allowing bulbs to be used in parallel rather than in series. The vacuum technique was invented 20 years before he began working on incandescent lights. He greatly improved the quality of the vacuum, but I recall that was mainly by using vacuum pumps invented by other people. He got one of the best pumps in the world on loan from U. Connecticut and apparently never returned it. He invented a whole slew of other things relating to bulbs, such as the method of screwing them in, fabrication techniques, improved generators, and power metering. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:LENR INFO, 2nd EDITION FOR JUNE 22, 2015
Why Edison Triumphed: Joseph Swan worked on the incandescent light idea since 1850. Swan did not succeed because he used only a partial vacuum in his bulb. He also used a carbonized paper filament. Edison figured out how to create a pure vacuum in his bulbs. He did this by heating up the bulb at the same time that he pumped out the air. He used a Sprengle pump. On Mon, Jun 22, 2015 at 4:17 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: The Cat and mouse control approach is as world changing as Edison’s use of a vacuum in the light bulb. I am sorry to be a pedant, but Edison did not invent that. He invented the high resistance filament allowing bulbs to be used in parallel rather than in series. The vacuum technique was invented 20 years before he began working on incandescent lights. He greatly improved the quality of the vacuum, but I recall that was mainly by using vacuum pumps invented by other people. He got one of the best pumps in the world on loan from U. Connecticut and apparently never returned it. He invented a whole slew of other things relating to bulbs, such as the method of screwing them in, fabrication techniques, improved generators, and power metering. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:LENR INFO, 2nd EDITION FOR JUNE 22, 2015
Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: Edison figured out how to create a pure vacuum in his bulbs. He did this by heating up the bulb at the same time that he pumped out the air. He used a Sprengle pump. As I said, he improved the vacuum and much else, but I do not think that was the main claim in the patent. Granted, the patent language is obscure. It says something about United Santos and marinating the tuna: Bell; known that I, 'IJcm ALVA Enmon, of licnlo Pork in the Stone of New Jersey, United Santos oiAznes-lcm have lnvr-ntoil on 5 Improvement in Electric Lumps, and in the method mnnrnanring the tuna, (Que No. 86,) of which the following in n npccificaalon. http://www.google.com/patents/US223898 I believe the main claim was regarding subdivision as they called it then, which is to say running lights in parallel. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:LENR INFO, 2nd EDITION FOR JUNE 22, 2015
Regarding: “It seems even a malsolution can be converted sometimes in an usable one- with much research, additions, sacrifices (!) and creativity. Plasma triggering seems to be inherently better- and can return.” Rossi deserves great respect for solving the E-Cat control issue. At this juncture, Rossi’s approach to the LENR reaction may be a far better solution to the control of the reaction than does plasma stimulation. Rossi’s approach allows for the reaction to be copied indefinitely over many unpowered sub reactors. The Rossi reaction may be open ended in terms of power production with unlimited COP. Conceptually in terms of productivity, it’s the difference between a hand written copy and a copy machine. The Cat and mouse control approach is as world changing as Edison’s use of a vacuum in the light bulb. It seems that these world changing solutions require a lot of work to give them birth. Knowing what is the best solution is based on results and results are based on the amount of pain pored into the solution. Clearly, Rossi is the King of Pain. On Mon, Jun 22, 2015 at 1:05 PM, Peter Gluck peter.gl...@gmail.com wrote: Dear Friends, As promised: http://egooutpeters.blogspot.ro/2015/06/lenr-info-for-june-22-2015-evening.html Things happen in LENR. Peter -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com
Re: [Vo]:LENR INFO, 2nd EDITION FOR JUNE 22, 2015
Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: DESCRIPTION (OCR text may contain errors) Ah! OCR errors. Who'd a thunk it? - Jed
Re: [Vo]:LENR INFO, 2nd EDITION FOR JUNE 22, 2015
Today, science in America has devolved into a system of feudalism where there is a nobility and a subjugate serfdom. It was that Europian system of thought that the Scots were rebelling against. In so doing, The Scots fled to America for a new birth of fredom. Only in America of those times could the Scots allow their independent and rebellious spirit gaven free rein to the free thinking that led to the birth of all those world changing inventions. On Mon, Jun 22, 2015 at 11:28 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: *From:* Axil Axil Ø What made America so prolific in the invention of civaliztion changing devices that surpassed anything that Europe was able to produce Mainly, it was being the destination country for the Scottish diaspora https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/How_the_Scots_Invented_the_Modern_World
Re: [Vo]:LENR INFO, 2nd EDITION FOR JUNE 22, 2015
Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: Could it be,,,these inventers make obsure key components of their invention to slow down the competision. Tesla was making bulbs too. No, I do not think that Edison left any critical aspects of the invention out of the patent. In those days people went from factory to another easily, taking industrial secrets with them. Edison knew that his production techniques would soon be common knowledge. Indeed, many competitors soon sprang up, and his lawyers were kept busy suing for copyright infringement. The patent has a great deal of detailed information about how to make the bulbs. If the method of achieving a high vacuum had been invented by them, or if they considered it patent-able, I expect they would have included it along with all the other details about tar and platina. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:LENR INFO, 2nd EDITION FOR JUNE 22, 2015
DESCRIPTION (OCR text may contain errors) On Mon, Jun 22, 2015 at 9:20 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: Edison figured out how to create a pure vacuum in his bulbs. He did this by heating up the bulb at the same time that he pumped out the air. He used a Sprengle pump. As I said, he improved the vacuum and much else, but I do not think that was the main claim in the patent. Granted, the patent language is obscure. It says something about United Santos and marinating the tuna: Bell; known that I, 'IJcm ALVA Enmon, of licnlo Pork in the Stone of New Jersey, United Santos oiAznes-lcm have lnvr-ntoil on 5 Improvement in Electric Lumps, and in the method mnnrnanring the tuna, (Que No. 86,) of which the following in n npccificaalon. http://www.google.com/patents/US223898 I believe the main claim was regarding subdivision as they called it then, which is to say running lights in parallel. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:LENR INFO, 2nd EDITION FOR JUNE 22, 2015
Ahem. The patent does not actually talk about tuna. Here is a somewhat better copy: https://docs.google.com/viewer?url=patentimages.storage.googleapis.com/pdfs/US223898.pdf The patent begins: The object of this invention is to produce electric lamps giving light by incandescence, which lamps shall have high resistance, so as to allow the practical subdivision of the electric light. The next claim is about the carbon wire (filament) which offers great resistance. Then it does go on to talk about putting the burner of great resistance in a nearly perfect vacuum, to prevent oxidation . . . It says the vacuum has to be one-millionth of an atmosphere, and it says he uses a mercury pump, but I do not see anywhere in the patent that he claims a new method of evacuation. I do not see that he tried to patent his method of evacuation, and Edison was careful to patent every new aspect of his inventions. Perhaps I overlooked something. It is hard to read. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:LENR INFO, 2nd EDITION FOR JUNE 22, 2015
Could it be,,,these inventers make obsure key components of their invention to slow down the competision. Tesla was making bulbs too. On Mon, Jun 22, 2015 at 9:33 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Ahem. The patent does not actually talk about tuna. Here is a somewhat better copy: https://docs.google.com/viewer?url=patentimages.storage.googleapis.com/pdfs/US223898.pdf The patent begins: The object of this invention is to produce electric lamps giving light by incandescence, which lamps shall have high resistance, so as to allow the practical subdivision of the electric light. The next claim is about the carbon wire (filament) which offers great resistance. Then it does go on to talk about putting the burner of great resistance in a nearly perfect vacuum, to prevent oxidation . . . It says the vacuum has to be one-millionth of an atmosphere, and it says he uses a mercury pump, but I do not see anywhere in the patent that he claims a new method of evacuation. I do not see that he tried to patent his method of evacuation, and Edison was careful to patent every new aspect of his inventions. Perhaps I overlooked something. It is hard to read. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:LENR INFO, 2nd EDITION FOR JUNE 22, 2015
Jed, What made America so prolific in the invention of civaliztion changing devices that surpassed anything that Europe was able to produce? There must have been something special in American life of that time that has been somehow lost in regard to the current American attitude to the invention of over unity energy devices. On Mon, Jun 22, 2015 at 10:52 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: Could it be,,,these inventers make obsure key components of their invention to slow down the competision. Tesla was making bulbs too. No, I do not think that Edison left any critical aspects of the invention out of the patent. In those days people went from factory to another easily, taking industrial secrets with them. Edison knew that his production techniques would soon be common knowledge. Indeed, many competitors soon sprang up, and his lawyers were kept busy suing for copyright infringement. The patent has a great deal of detailed information about how to make the bulbs. If the method of achieving a high vacuum had been invented by them, or if they considered it patent-able, I expect they would have included it along with all the other details about tar and platina. - Jed
RE: [Vo]:LENR INFO, 2nd EDITION FOR JUNE 22, 2015
From: Axil Axil Ø What made America so prolific in the invention of civaliztion changing devices that surpassed anything that Europe was able to produce Mainly, it was being the destination country for the Scottish diaspora https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/How_the_Scots_Invented_the_Modern_World
