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2013/9/1 hohlr...@gmail.com hohlr...@gmail.com ROFL not so laughable. it is clear that all what is said out of syrian problem, is validated by others sources. Egypt troubles is a battle between qatari and saudi. Iran is developing bomb to avoid being exterminated by saudi (Israel is not a real target, just something for the population). Anyone interesting the the geopolitical of the zone, in Afghanistan history, in Al qaeda history knows that. the fact that saudi are funding and leading the Syrian rebellion is known since the beginning. The local rebels don't love them, but they need the funding. question is if saudi is sending foreign units (Al Qaeda), and it seems true. Russian opposition is because unlike US, russian know well the muslim world subtleties. they have problem in Chechenia with saudi funded units, and Putin is not like Hollande of the kind to submit to that terror. the genocide in process against non sunni minorities, is new claim, but is expected today or later. I even expect genocide against moderates Suni, local rebels, later like it happen with the night of the long knifes. the fact that France is dependent on Qatari funding, but also that Saudi fight Qatari investment in muslim suburbs is known here. From my network I know that all the muslim world is under pressure by saudi who flood them with money and salafi preachers. Syria, Iran, Qatar, Hezbollah and in a way Muslim Brotherhood, lead the opposition to Saudi. Israel is playing a preposterous game, like when it was supporting Hamas to weaken Fatah, or when it bombed Lebanon and gunned Egyptian forces. All is very complicated and the analysis grid that US population (french and UK too) uses is preposterous. From france and from people aware of muslim world geostrategy Israel behavior look absurd like LSD hallucinations. the most funny is if you talk to educated liberal in muslim world, they explain you the positive role of Iran in fighting against fundamentalism in their own country... crazy for me, but i trust my network. Saudi on the opposite are accused of trying to get control of religious authorities to develop extremist vision... From france I feel that US have a long history to support theocratic governments, and fight secular regime (France did the opposite, no better)...Maybe is it exaggerated. Anyway whatever happen, I don't see how this will not finish in a genocide and in reduction of freedom in all the muslim world, including France suburbs. I just hope that LENR will ruin the Saudi, so they stop flooding extremist with petro-dollars. It will be too late for Syria.
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From (one of the last real journalists) Glenn Greenwald today - Obama, Congress and Syria The president is celebrated for seeking a vote on his latest war even as his aides make clear it has no binding effect http://www.commondreams.org/view/2013/09/01-2 An especially noteworthy extract - Secretary of State John Kerry, this morning on CNN, said this when asked whether the Congressional vote would be binding: [Obama] has the right to do this no matter what Congress does. ROFL! Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE Smartphone - Reply message - From: Alain Sepeda alain.sep...@gmail.com To: Vortex List vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: [Vo]:Shocking Story That Could Derail Attack on Syria Date: Sat, Aug 31, 2013 7:03 PM Another vision focussed on Saudi role in that, and alredy happening genocide against non suni:http://translate.google.fr/translate?sl=autotl=enjs=nprev=_thl=frie=UTF-8u=http%3A%2F%2Fjacqueshenry.wordpress.com%2F2013%2F08%2F31%2Fsuite-de-mon-precedent-billet%2F Following my previous post Published August 31, 2013 I was talking with my son today via Google + (our conversation was certainly recorded and analyzed) about events in the Middle East. From Japan, he shows a fairly objective analysis of this particular concern.According to him, everything is played in Riyadh, the stronghold of the Wahhabi Salafi supporters. Saudi Arabia, the most obscurantist and reactionary country imaginable on this planet, Iran and the mullahs are amateurs in this field, pulling the strings of the puppets in his service in the Middle East since the Al Qaeda loyalists unleashed like packs of rabid dogs to fight roumi wherever it is located and the Shiite equally despised the cross or Zionist. Concentrate hatred spread everywhere, including in the suburbs of major cities in Western Europe, the petrodollars help. What happened in Egypt is indicative of what will most likely happen in Syria if the Americans, aided by the French far for a good cause, engage in surgical strikes against the interests of the regime in Damascus, multicultural, Interfaith and tolerant despite what the Western media intoxicated by the White House. Indeed, the mad god Salafists, funded by Saudi Arabia, have killed many roumis, mostly Copts and small Christian communities of Armenian origin and also attacked the Shiites, the sworn enemies of Wahhabis. The heart of the Syrian civil war fomented by Saudi Arabia is a project pipeline to bring gas from Qatar to the Mediterranean and Western Europe via Jordan. Qatar supported the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt, choirboys compared Salafists, Qatar was ousted from the Egyptian scene, such as the Muslim Brotherhood and the Egyptian army, supported by Riyadh, massacred many for otherwise permanently deter at least temporarily to act for substantial financial support from Riyadh, which was done after the fatal shooting of Cairo, 9 billion, a drop of oil in Saudi Arabia. Now it is calm in Egypt, but the Syrian Assad, Alawite-Shiite friends Mullahs in Tehran are in a critical situation since the dead gassed the perpetrators remain unknown. In the context I just described very schematically one wonders if the use of Sarin is not a Salafi provocation, Chechen and other terrorists funded by Riyadh working in Syria, killing deliberately for their successful completion of strategic plans of Saudi Arabia, with the support of the USA now confessed. Saudi Arabia, the country that has the most executions in the world in relation to the population of thirty million people, where women have no civil rights and are not allowed to drive a motor vehicle, this country collapsing under the dollars, using slaves from the Philippines to perform the menial tasks of daily life, wants to impose its will in the region. And Holland, on behalf of the French who elected President intends to support their policy. But Iran does not hear it that way. Why Iran wants to develop nuclear weapons, just to calm Riyadh, its king and princes of junk (not that much, they are drowning in dollars) and its relentless political and religious police cut the hand of first thief came and headed to light saber any gay or stone an adulterous woman. Holland should enjoy after the wedding for all ... In short, Holland wrong target and Russia and Iran have understood. The opening of an international conflict in Syria would be an opportunity for Iran to do battle once and for all with this medieval regime troublemaker East Timor to Morocco and soon in English suburbs, French, Belgian or German. Perhaps this is also the reason for the commitment of Holland to Obama sides at all costs to preserve the apparent calm of the French suburbs indoctrinated by Salafists remotely by Riyadh ... 2013/8/31 a.ashfield a.ashfi...@verizon.net Iâm very pessimistic that the general population will hear the real story until years after any attack. This
Re: [Vo]:Shocking Story That Could Derail Attack on Syria
I have a very uncertain position on that affair, as no outcome seems good in what is happening... My best hope is Syria becoming a group of independent states where each minority cansurvive, even it it mean etnic cleansing like in yougoslavia... I expect any winner to genocide the opponents. so best is no winner, or two winner. another solution is a rational foreign country taking control of the country, and evoiding genocide (à la Tito)... Not US as we know the result. maybe Iran, which is the most rational in the zone (don't laugh, I have data from my network... they are politically more rational and measured than many around... better than israel, saudi, US, EU... of course they have position of privacy that I don't support, but they have a brain, unlike the others cited who have electors)... anyway I expect no good outcome, because of foreign interference, and I expect a genocide like in Indonesia in the 60s, or like in rwanda (pre and post kagame), with a million dead. back to that claim. First the claim the Syrian rebels bombed their own population is absurd since the attach was very deadly, and because local rebels would have cared about making symbolic loses to trigger international reaction, not that horror (the horror is validated by NGO, chemical is validated by symptioms, only kind of chemical and origin is doubtful). The claim that foreigners, funded by big cash, and fanatic enough, may have bombed foreign population to trigger foreign action is possible... During WW2 we have seen a big democracy (I let you guess) bomb civilians to force the local germans authorities to surrenders, claiming it was targeting th port, while it was clearly targeting the population (data from mum). so no need to look very far. in that claim, which is unverified, there is an interesting point : that they used their own gas ammos, from Saudi source. If the gas used is not the one Assad owns, then we may detect that (improbable, but possible) hypothesis. I just imagine that Saudi rebels if doing so, would have stollen Assad stock, or used identical chemicals... anyway Assad responsability seems probable. He probably did so, according to retracted (hum!) French sources because CIA/saudi trained units came in the south suburb of damas and were seriously endanger the regime. I don't like assad, but im sure that all Shia, christian, druze, will be genocided if the Suni rebels, especially the saudi funded units... Afghanistan V3.0 look for the position of Nassim Nicholas Taleb who is from that region. maybe he have better information than me. I imagine that he just want that syria state disappear and be replaced by a Swiss like federation, including lebanon. 2013/8/31 John Berry berry.joh...@gmail.com Shocking Story That Could Derail Attack on Syria http://tinyurl.com/oj8g53t 11 min. video Respected 20 year Middle Eastern reporter and Associated Press, BBC and NPR correspondent Dale Gavrak was told by Syrian rebels that they were responsible for last week's chemical weapons incident in Ghouta. Scroll down for actions. Article below is what the video was based on. EXCLUSIVE: Syrians In Ghouta Claim Saudi-Supplied Rebels Behind Chemical Attack mintpressnews.com http://tinyurl.com/nbrykrr Rebels and local residents in Ghouta accuse Saudi Prince Bandar bin Sultan of providing chemical weapons to an al-Qaida linked rebel group. By Dale Gavlak and Yahya Ababneh This article is a collaboration between Dale Gavlak reporting for Mint Press News and Yahya Ababneh. Ghouta, Syria — As the machinery for a U.S.-led military intervention in Syria gathers pace following last week’s chemical weapons attack, the U.S. and its allies may be targeting the wrong culprit. Interviews with people in Damascus and Ghouta, a suburb of the Syrian capital, where the humanitarian agency Doctors Without Borders said at least 355 people had died last week from what it believed to be a neurotoxic agent, appear to indicate as much. The U.S., Britain, and France as well as the Arab League have accused the regime of Syrian President Bashar al-Assad for carrying out the chemical weapons attack, which mainly targeted civilians. U.S. warships are stationed in the Mediterranean Sea to launch military strikes against Syria in punishment for carrying out a massive chemical weapons attack. The U.S. and others are not interested in examining any contrary evidence, with U.S Secretary of State John Kerry saying Monday that Assad’s guilt was “a judgment … already clear to the world.” However, from numerous interviews with doctors, Ghouta residents, rebel fighters and their families, a different picture emerges. Many believe that certain rebels received chemical weapons via the Saudi intelligence chief, Prince Bandar bin Sultan, and were responsible for carrying out the dealing gas attack. “My son came to me two weeks ago asking what I thought the weapons were that he had been asked to
Re: [Vo]:Shocking Story That Could Derail Attack on Syria
I'm very pessimistic that the general population will hear the real story until years after any attack.This is the second report about groups other than the Syrian government using the poison gas and they all seem as unlikely as the official story that Assad did it.In many ways the official story is the least likely as Assad is rational as well as unpleasant, so why would he invite America to bomb him when he was already winning? I can't see that America bombing Syria will do any good what-so-ever.All it will do is kill a number of Syrians who were not responsible for the gas attack, destroy some buildings and infrastructure, and by evening up the two sides prolong the war.Does the US really want al Qaeda to win? Appalling as all wars are, particularly civil wars fought over religious divides, American involvement would simply make it worse.
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The Germans wouldn't send a bunch or murders to Poland to attack Germany either. But then again they did And even though it was obvious to anyone sensible and unbiased, world war II still happened. And even though everyone who had 2 brain cells to rub together knew that the coalition of the willing were just willing to start a war of aggression with Iraq for ulterior motives, and that the WMD's were not real. And then the DOJ has requested that George W. Bush, Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, Colin Powell, Condoleezza Rice and Paul Wolfowitz be granted immunity in a case that is alleging that they violated international law with the Iraq War.. Which basically means they are guilty, but should not be held responsible for their actions according to the DOJ. Because setting up fake reasons to start wars is really no biggy. This is something which should have massive accountability, instead there is almost none. John On Sun, Sep 1, 2013 at 2:42 AM, a.ashfield a.ashfi...@verizon.net wrote: I’m very pessimistic that the general population will hear the real story until years after any attack. This is the second report about groups other than the Syrian government using the poison gas and they all seem as unlikely as the official story that Assad did it. In many ways the official story is the least likely as Assad is rational as well as unpleasant, so why would he invite America to bomb him when he was already winning? ** ** I can’t see that America bombing Syria will do any good what-so-ever. All it will do is kill a number of Syrians who were not responsible for the gas attack, destroy some buildings and infrastructure, and by evening up the two sides prolong the war. Does the US really want al Qaeda to win? ** ** Appalling as all wars are, particularly civil wars fought over religious divides, American involvement would simply make it worse.
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Add an egg and an olive and you truly have the breakfast of champions! Terry, * On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 7:54 PM, Jones Beenejone...@pacbell.net wrote: The bottom line is that a hydraulic hybrid (as Terry has noticed) offers a 50 percent increase in fuel economy and a 30 percent decrease in emissions, yet still leaves us wondering why the technology is less popular than bacon-flavored vodka.
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These guys have had a lot of press in the northern CO area. The CEO used to run a local robot company that he sold. Ron --On Monday, August 10, 2009 2:39 PM -0700 Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: Forget getting Zapped by EEStor, etc. This one is more shocking in a number of ways – http://engineeringtv.com/blogs/etv/archive/2009/07/07/lightning-hybrids-hydraulic-drivetrain-part -1.aspx yes - it is a hybrid BUT it does NOT use advanced batteries. Instead it uses hydraulics for energy storage. And it is a double hybrid since the small diesel is to be fueled by biodiesel. Carbon neutral. And especially notable, it excels in energy-recovery from braking - where even the Prius and every other hybrid is weak- like 30% or so. This gets back almost triple that. Also the mileage is double the Prius, and the carbon footprint is lower than any PHEV (without the shenanigans of battery packs that require lots of carbon to recharge, on average due to battery and line losses). Shocking indeed - they don't call it 'lightning' for nutin' ;-) Also, here is the aesthetic flash - its beauty, low drag, light weight and drivetrain logic almost strike one down, so to speak, once you get over the novelty of the different approach they are taking. How could Detroit have missed this? That was rhetorical. Detroit misses everything, almost. But how could California have missed it? Forget the Tesla with its sticker shock - this one has both beauty and brains without the big-bucks. … saving $30,000 on the lack of a battery pack alone. … nearly 100 mpg is available without batteries - making one wonder if all the emphasis by DoE on battery hybrids is not totally misplaced.
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In reply to Jones Beene's message of Mon, 10 Aug 2009 14:39:36 -0700: Hi, [snip] Forget getting Zapped by EEStor, etc. This one is more shocking in a number of ways - http://engineeringtv.com/blogs/etv/archive/2009/07/07/lightning-hybrids-hydr aulic-drivetrain-part-1.aspx [snip] . nearly 100 mpg is available without batteries - making one wonder if all the emphasis by DoE on battery hybrids is not totally misplaced. While a 100 mpg is not to be sneezed at, don't forget that in some cases a PHEV will not use any gas at all. Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/Project.html
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I have seen a few of these running around Atlanta, home of UPS: http://www.wired.com/autopia/2008/10/ups-hydraulic-h/ Terry On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 4:39 PM, Jones Beenejone...@pacbell.net wrote: yes - it is a hybrid BUT it does NOT use advanced batteries.
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-Original Message- From: mix...@bigpond.com While a 100 mpg is not to be sneezed at, don't forget that in some cases a PHEV will not use any gas at all. Well that is what I meant by shenanigans ... it is not credible to suggest that the PHEV is a good alternative to biodiesel - when the dirty coal plant that recharges the batteries is belching toxic pollutants out, megatons per year with line losses and battery losses and core losses and transformer losses and everything else... and that small diesel, in contrast, is very efficient and carbon neutral and far lower in pollutants. Never mind that solar or wind could in theory supply that energy necessary for recharging the PHEV - you have to go with the percentages, and it is not a pretty picture because of coal. The small diesel, fueled with biodiesel, and running at constant speed with an energy storage hybridized accumulator (batteries or hydraulics or whatever) makes much more sense for transportation than anything else - at least from where we stand in 2009 in terms of what is actually possible now. Of course, we all want the breakthrough (LENR, ZPE magnetics, fractional hydrogen) that ushers in a new paradigm, and which will probably utilize the same hybridized energy accumulator of the Lightning - but that breakthrough is not here yet. The bottom line is that a hydraulic hybrid (as Terry has noticed) offers a 50 percent increase in fuel economy and a 30 percent decrease in emissions, yet still leaves us wondering why the technology is less popular than bacon-flavored vodka. Jones
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In reply to Jones Beene's message of Mon, 10 Aug 2009 16:54:41 -0700: Hi, [snip] -Original Message- From: mix...@bigpond.com While a 100 mpg is not to be sneezed at, don't forget that in some cases a PHEV will not use any gas at all. Well that is what I meant by shenanigans ... it is not credible to suggest that the PHEV is a good alternative to biodiesel - when the dirty coal plant that recharges the batteries is belching toxic pollutants out, megatons per year with line losses and battery losses and core losses and transformer losses and everything else... and that small diesel, in contrast, is very efficient and carbon neutral and far lower in pollutants. Never mind that solar or wind could in theory supply that energy necessary for recharging the PHEV - you have to go with the percentages, and it is not a pretty picture because of coal. The small diesel, fueled with biodiesel, and running at constant speed with an energy storage hybridized accumulator (batteries or hydraulics or whatever) makes much more sense for transportation than anything else - at least from where we stand in 2009 in terms of what is actually possible now. ...but if you are talking about what is available now, then you also need to consider that biodiesel is not yet available in large quantities either. I'm also a little leery of their claim to 85% energy reclamation during regenerative braking. When a fluid is compressed, it gets hot, and unless the stored energy is reused straight away (or almost), it cools off and loses that energy to the environment. Although I suppose that in stop start driving, the starting usually follows the stopping fairly closely. I agree that this is an interesting concept, however I don't think it should be adopted to the exclusion of everything else. I think all these new technologies should be encouraged. [snip] Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/Project.html
