Re: [Vo]:Smoke ring collisions
Many great vids in their gallery: http://serve.me.nus.edu.sg/limtt/#Video_Gallery T On Mon, Feb 22, 2010 at 10:06 PM, Alexander Hollins wrote: > http://serve.me.nus.edu.sg/limtt/ > > the creators > > FLUID MECHANICS GROUP > DEPARTMENT OF MECHANICAL ENGINEERING > National University of Singapore > > On Mon, Feb 22, 2010 at 6:38 PM, Jones Beene wrote: >> From: Jed Rothwell >> >> >> >> Ø That's a splendid little video, and an elegant demonstration of spin >> conservation. I urge people to see it. >> >> >> >> … if it is authentic, it is splendid indeed. >> >> >> >> Ø The air particles and spin both rotate 90 degrees as a result of the >> collision. Fascinating! >> >> >> >> … that is the part that “almost” looks too contrived to me – to be accepted >> as true without a thorough investigation (at least to my thinking). There >> simply does not seem to be enough momentum in the initial colliding tori to >> carry forward and retain the spin structure for that kind of orthogonal >> change and transfer. >> >> >> >> It would be relatively easy to fake with computer graphics, if someone were >> so inclined … but I hate to even mention that possibility, since there is >> absolutely no apparent reason to believe that deception was involved – other >> than there are plenty of geeks who would delight in the challenge. >> >> >> >> Jones > >
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-Original Message- From: Stephen A. Lawrence > It looks authentic enough -- but it's *NOT* smoke rings... It's dye in water. That is more likely, but unless the speed has been altered, water viscosity would likely not permit that kind of apparent speed. I suspect that if it is not "smoke" but instead is a liquid setup - then the best candidate for the "clear" liquid is not water but ether. Diethyl ether, also known as ether, is colorless and only slightly soluble in water so that could account for some of the unusual visual "mixing" phenomena that happens - if the two are being mixed: i.e. the tori are water-based but the clear liquid is ether. Jones
Re: [Vo]:Smoke ring collisions
http://serve.me.nus.edu.sg/limtt/ the creators FLUID MECHANICS GROUP DEPARTMENT OF MECHANICAL ENGINEERING National University of Singapore On Mon, Feb 22, 2010 at 6:38 PM, Jones Beene wrote: > From: Jed Rothwell > > > > Ø That's a splendid little video, and an elegant demonstration of spin > conservation. I urge people to see it. > > > > … if it is authentic, it is splendid indeed. > > > > Ø The air particles and spin both rotate 90 degrees as a result of the > collision. Fascinating! > > > > … that is the part that “almost” looks too contrived to me – to be accepted > as true without a thorough investigation (at least to my thinking). There > simply does not seem to be enough momentum in the initial colliding tori to > carry forward and retain the spin structure for that kind of orthogonal > change and transfer. > > > > It would be relatively easy to fake with computer graphics, if someone were > so inclined … but I hate to even mention that possibility, since there is > absolutely no apparent reason to believe that deception was involved – other > than there are plenty of geeks who would delight in the challenge. > > > > Jones
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On 02/22/2010 08:38 PM, Jones Beene wrote: > > *From:* Jed Rothwell > > Ø That's a splendid little video, and an elegant demonstration of spin > conservation. I urge people to see it. > > … if it is authentic, it is splendid indeed. > It looks authentic enough -- but it's *NOT* smoke rings. It's dye in water. It doesn't move like smoke in air; it moves like dye in water. It seems obvious that's liquid, not gas, we're seeing in these videos. The YouTube post doesn't say what it's in; it's only the low res copy which was asserted to be "smoke" rings, but that assertion obviously didn't come from the original author of the video. > Ø The air particles and spin both rotate 90 degrees as a result of the > collision. Fascinating! > > … that is the part that “almost” looks too contrived to me – to be > accepted as true without a thorough investigation (at least to my > thinking). There simply does not seem to be enough momentum in the > initial colliding tori to carry forward and retain the spin structure > for that kind of orthogonal change and transfer. > > It would be relatively easy to fake with computer graphics, if someone > were so inclined … but I hate to even mention that possibility, since > there is absolutely no apparent reason to believe that deception was > involved – other than there are plenty of geeks who would delight in > the challenge. > > Jones >
Re: [Vo]:Smoke ring collisions
better quality video here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XJk8ijAUCiI harry > >From: Jed Rothwell >To: vortex-l@eskimo.com >Sent: Mon, February 22, 2010 8:13:00 PM >Subject: Re: [Vo]:Smoke ring collisions > >That's a splendid little video, and an elegant demonstration of spin >conservation. I urge people to see it. > > >The air particles and spin both rotate 90 degrees as a result of the >collision. Fascinating! > > >It would be interesting to see how this works in a low pressure cell, close to >vacuum. I wonder if it would resemble the computer simulations of colliding >galaxies, in which the stars fly out in all directions, presumably because >individual particle interactions (particles being stars in this case) >predominate. Not at all like the ordered behavior of the air molecules in this >video. > > >Maybe the disordered effect I am thinking of could only be achieved with a >noble gas at low pressure. > > > >- Jed > > __ Yahoo! Canada Toolbar: Search from anywhere on the web, and bookmark your favourite sites. Download it now http://ca.toolbar.yahoo.com.
RE: [Vo]:Smoke ring collisions
From: Jed Rothwell * That's a splendid little video, and an elegant demonstration of spin conservation. I urge people to see it. . if it is authentic, it is splendid indeed. * The air particles and spin both rotate 90 degrees as a result of the collision. Fascinating! . that is the part that "almost" looks too contrived to me - to be accepted as true without a thorough investigation (at least to my thinking). There simply does not seem to be enough momentum in the initial colliding tori to carry forward and retain the spin structure for that kind of orthogonal change and transfer. It would be relatively easy to fake with computer graphics, if someone were so inclined . but I hate to even mention that possibility, since there is absolutely no apparent reason to believe that deception was involved - other than there are plenty of geeks who would delight in the challenge. Jones
Re: [Vo]:Smoke ring collisions
That's a splendid little video, and an elegant demonstration of spin conservation. I urge people to see it. The air particles and spin both rotate 90 degrees as a result of the collision. Fascinating! It would be interesting to see how this works in a low pressure cell, close to vacuum. I wonder if it would resemble the computer simulations of colliding galaxies, in which the stars fly out in all directions, presumably because individual particle interactions (particles being stars in this case) predominate. Not at all like the ordered behavior of the air molecules in this video. Maybe the disordered effect I am thinking of could only be achieved with a noble gas at low pressure. - Jed
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That's astounding! Who would have though it would be so symmetrical. It must be perfectly still air inside the test box. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Smoke Ring?
Those kinds of smoke rings are fairly common. The smoke is trapped in the narrow core of a much larger ring-vortex. It's laminar, otherwise the smoke would appear as a whirling cloudy structure. I heard that some local guys ten years ago set off a homemade gasoline bomb in a parking lot. They said that its fireball created a perfect black ring which lasted for over an hour, rising the whole time. A common anomaly in actual volcanoes is "steam rings," vast laminar smoke rings launched outwards from vents. Mount Etna does it all the time. Go find some pictures (I see a sharply-defined laminar one, and a cloudy turbulent one, both white steam.) Also, http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread413894/pg1 On Wed, 17 Jun 2009, Terry Blanton wrote: > Whatever this UFO was, it scared the family: > > http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/us/2009/06/16/dnt.va.ufo.sighting.wavy > > France, Brazil, Denmark and others have recently opened their UFO > files. Is some sort of disclosure underway? > > Terry > (( ( ( ( ((O)) ) ) ) ))) William J. BeatySCIENCE HOBBYIST website billb at amasci com http://amasci.com EE/programmer/sci-exhibits amateur science, hobby projects, sci fair Seattle, WA 206-762-3818unusual phenomena, tesla coils, weird sci
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Don't know Steven, I watched the other video link you supplied and surely one is inclined to take the word of those that say they saw it rise from the volcano... This is what's frustrating... SO many questions that need to be asked. If it was a common occurrence then whoever saw a ring rising from the volcano probably did not watch it ascent all the way up to cloudbase... More interesting things to look at. And its way too dark; more like smoke from a petroleum fire. Also, one can't tell how long the video clip was since the news probably just plays it in a loop. HOWEVER, the ring was obviously right at 'lifting condensation level' (cloudbase) since part of it was obscured inside the cloud, and if the ring maintained the near perfect circular shape with well defined edges for 10 minutes, I'd have to see it myself to feel comfortable with the smoke ring explanation, and so I could make some reasonable judgement as to why the turbulence wouldn't have at least partially distorted it... BTW, if I was in my ufo I'd probably hang around above that volcano too so people would think that my 'ride' was a smoke ring, while I was watching the human behavior down below! ;-) -Mark -Original Message- From: OrionWorks [mailto:svj.orionwo...@gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2009 10:20 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Smoke Ring? From: Mark Iverson > Steven: > I did watch the video clip and would disagree with your above > statement for the following reason... > > As a graduate student in the late 80's, I worked at the Atmospheric > Sciences Center of the Desert Research Institute: > > http://www.dri.edu/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=115&It > emid=127 (now called the Division of Atmospheric Sciences) which is > the research branch of the University of Nevada system. I worked > under Dr. James Telford who was an expert in cloud microphysics (over > 100 peer-reviewed publications). Clouds are NOT uniform stable > structures; in fact, they are quite turbulent, with regions (turrets) > of rising air columns (due to the fact that moist air is LESS dense > than dry air) surrounded by descending (drier) air columns. > If the diameter of the ring was much smaller than the dimension of > the immediate cloud structure, I'd say you might be right and the ring > was simply the boundary of one of the inherent structures of the > cloud; but from what I saw in the video, the dimensions of the ring > were quite substantial compared to the cloud, and therefore I think it > unlikely to be so SHARPLY defined and consistent over the time of the > video... i.e., the turbulence would have blurred the boundaries, if > not disrupted them completely. > > -Mark Your description is highly detailed as to why my conjecture was probably incorrect. I must confess that I'm not a meteorologist. Ok, so, what do you think the UFO "ring" was? BTW, here is another interview where they tracked down the individual who recorded the phenomenon. http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/ireports/2009/06/18/dcl.irpt.knowles.ufo.cnn?iref=videosearch What is revealing was the video recorders' comment that the "smoke ring" was observed to have originated above the volcano ride. "Smoke rings" originating from the volcano ride are a very common observance at the amusement park. The "rings" tend to dissipate more quickly, except when there is no wind. When there is no wind they tend to hang around a tad longer allowing them to be videotaped and subsequently transformed into religious signs. Of course "Vince" Dinglelint, reporter at large, and from some undetermined future reference point, gave his explanation: "Regarding the recent "smoke ring" phenomenon... Someone forgot to kick in their inertial dampers a few microseconds prior to folding space." But as always, "Vince" never leaves a return address. Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.81/2189 - Release Date: 06/20/09 06:15:00 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.81/2189 - Release Date: 06/20/09 06:15:00
Re: [Vo]:Smoke Ring?
From: Mark Iverson > Steven: > I did watch the video clip and would disagree with your above > statement for the following reason... > > As a graduate student in the late 80's, I worked at the > Atmospheric Sciences Center of the Desert Research Institute: > > http://www.dri.edu/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=115&Itemid=127 > (now called the Division of Atmospheric Sciences) which is the research > branch of the University of Nevada system. I worked under > Dr. James Telford who was an expert in cloud microphysics (over 100 > peer-reviewed publications). Clouds are NOT uniform stable > structures; in fact, they are quite turbulent, with regions (turrets) > of rising air columns (due to the fact that moist air is LESS > dense than dry air) surrounded by descending (drier) air columns. > If the diameter of the ring was much smaller than the dimension of > the immediate cloud structure, I'd say you might be right and the > ring was simply the boundary of one of the inherent structures of > the cloud; but from what I saw in the video, the dimensions of the > ring were quite substantial compared to the cloud, and therefore I > think it unlikely to be so SHARPLY defined and consistent over > the time of the video... i.e., the turbulence would have blurred the > boundaries, if not disrupted them completely. > > -Mark Your description is highly detailed as to why my conjecture was probably incorrect. I must confess that I'm not a meteorologist. Ok, so, what do you think the UFO "ring" was? BTW, here is another interview where they tracked down the individual who recorded the phenomenon. http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/ireports/2009/06/18/dcl.irpt.knowles.ufo.cnn?iref=videosearch What is revealing was the video recorders' comment that the "smoke ring" was observed to have originated above the volcano ride. "Smoke rings" originating from the volcano ride are a very common observance at the amusement park. The "rings" tend to dissipate more quickly, except when there is no wind. When there is no wind they tend to hang around a tad longer allowing them to be videotaped and subsequently transformed into religious signs. Of course "Vince" Dinglelint, reporter at large, and from some undetermined future reference point, gave his explanation: "Regarding the recent "smoke ring" phenomenon... Someone forgot to kick in their inertial dampers a few microseconds prior to folding space." But as always, "Vince" never leaves a return address. Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
RE: [Vo]:Smoke Ring?
Steven wrote: "The point behind this meandering follow-up post is the fact that the bubble rings these dolphins were manufacturing, once formed, were exceedingly stable as they traveled through the much more dense medium of water. They were quite circular as well. Now, consider the fact that atmospheric "smoke" rings have less viscosity to deal with, and it seems natural for me to assume that such phenomenon can remain stable in the sky for quite a while before eventually dissipating." Steven: I did watch the video clip and would disagree with your above statement for the following reason... As a graduate student in the late 80's, I worked at the Atmospheric Sciences Center of the Desert Research Institute: http://www.dri.edu/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=115&Itemid=127 (now called the Division of Atmospheric Sciences) which is the research branch of the University of Nevada system. I worked under Dr. James Telford who was an expert in cloud microphysics (over 100 peer-reviewed publications). Clouds are NOT uniform stable structures; in fact, they are quite turbulent, with regions (turrets) of rising air columns (due to the fact that moist air is LESS dense than dry air) surrounded by descending (drier) air columns. If the diameter of the ring was much smaller than the dimension of the immediate cloud structure, I'd say you might be right and the ring was simply the boundary of one of the inherent structures of the cloud; but from what I saw in the video, the dimensions of the ring were quite substantial compared to the cloud, and therefore I think it unlikely to be so SHARPLY defined and consistent over the time of the video... i.e., the turbulence would have blurred the boundaries, if not disrupted them completely. -Mark -Original Message- From: OrionWorks [mailto:svj.orionwo...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 8:28 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Smoke Ring? Terry sez: > Whatever this UFO was, it scared the family: > > http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/us/2009/06/16/dnt.va.ufo.sighting.wav > y > > France, Brazil, Denmark and others have recently opened their UFO > files. Is some sort of disclosure underway? > > Terry I watched the video this morning. No doubt many have seen it since the video has been playing on cnn.com for quite a while. It sure looks like a smoke/vapor ring to me, meaning it would appear to be derived from a natural phenomenon. I gather a major reason some appear to consider the apparition artificial in nature or deliberately manufactured (presumably by some advanced intelligence, i.e. our friends originating from Zeta Reticuli ;-) ) is that the apparition seems perfectly circular in its geometry. I think the reason I'm inclined to assume that the "ring" is a natural phenomenon is that it remains stationary in the sky. The fact that it also appears to be perfectly circular does not immediately suggest to me that it is artificial in nature. It's my understanding that many things in nature will assume a perfectly circular geometry precisely because a circle/sphere is the most energy efficient/economic topological surface to assume. Bubbles are a perfect example of a perfect sphere. Few here would assume that bubbles are the result of intelligently piloted craft! BTW, there was marvelous you-tube video someone on this list shared many months ago showing dolphins creating exquisitely formed bubble rings. What was extraordinary about this behavior was the fact that these dolphins seemed to "know" precisely when and/or how to disturb the ring in order to split the bubble vortex into two independent rings. One can not help but acquire the sense that cetations possess an incredible amount of intelligence - to be able to form and manipulate these playthings. It was sheer play for them. Of course, Douglas Adams had plenty to say on the subject of just how intelligent dolphins are. "So long! And Thanks for all the fish!" The point behind this meandering follow-up post is the fact that the bubble rings these dolphins were manufacturing, once formed, were exceedingly stable as they traveled through the much more dense medium of water. They were quite circular as well. Now, consider the fact that atmospheric "smoke" rings have less viscosity to deal with, and it seems natural for me to assume that such phenomenon can remain stable in the sky for quite a while before eventually dissipating. My two cents. Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.73/2180 - Release Date: 06/17/09 05:53:00 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.80/2187 - Release Date: 06/19/09 06:53:00
Re: [Vo]:Smoke Ring?
>From Mr. Monteverde: > Inadvertent condensation near the rim of a visually cloaked > disc shaped field-effect craft? >From Mr. Blanton: > Well, possibly the Dolphins were the aliens who created the > sky ring? and > Instead of condensation, possibly a void of moisture to the > heat of the edge of the craft since it looks like it is > hovering in a cloud. > > Monteverde . . . always thinking! >From Mr. Heffner: > It looks to me that the rising structure to the right is > about the right size and shape to make the vortex ring. > I suspect it was only visible at the time of the video > due to the low hanging clouds and apparently close to dew > point conditions. This just in from "Vince" DingleLint reporter at large, as always... reporting from the future: * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Regarding the recent "smoke ring" phenomenon... Someone forgot to kick in their inertial dampers a few microseconds prior to folding space. BTW, this smoke ring incident reminds me of the infamous Roswell Incident that took place back in the summer of 1947. From the time-line that I'm currently hiding out in, that incident is now better understood by those who are willing to educate themselves on matters concerning a growing field of study called "interplanetary evolution." I would point out that a seemingly insignificant matter was never considered in all the drama that was stirred up in countless investigations conducted back in the late 20th and early 21st century. There were very few top level women involved. Had more women been allowed first-hand access to the "wreckage" it is quite likely that a far different assessment of what transpired in the middle of a remote god-forsaken New Mexican sheep pasture would have been made. Most women would have instinctively comprehended the significance. Let me put it this way for those who are still scratching their heads. On our planet there are many examples of evolution taking interesting twists and turns. Evolution can occasionally do an about face and seemingly backtrack. For example, sea turtles were once land animals that decided there were better opportunities if they packed their bags and returned to living within a water environment. However, because their basic biological engineering had been hard coded while they were still land dwellers, they are forced to crawl back onto land where they lay their eggs. While sea turtles make the best of this evolutionary design and try to turn it to their advantage, it is still a laborious process, one filled with pearls for the gravid female. They must drag their ponderous bodies across a hostile surface till they find an appropriate spot to lay their eggs. Afterward, they must endeavor to make it back to the ocean before overheating and exhaustion consumes them. Some don't make it back. Now, consider the possibility that there might exist certain more-or-less intelligent species that have been puttering about the cosmos for millions of years. Their biological ancestral heritage may have originated on the surface of a planet or within the oceans, but millions of years ago they decided there would be more opportunities if they packed their little alien bags and migrated out into the vastness of the cosmos. As certain husbands are apt to discover, sometimes driving a screaming spouse to the hospital can be problematical. Sometimes the desperate couple has no choice but to drive over to the side of the road and take matters into their own hands, literally. Combine this with the fact that 20th century interpretations of what "aliens" look like, how they behave, how "aliens" are assumed to be put together, how they might self-replicate and what all is involved in self-replication, and I would have to say that most 20th century views on these matters were rather quaint. No wonder most of the men in charge at that time in history wanted to suppress the event. Icky! I must stop transmitting now. I have a hot date with, well, what some in your time-line would be apt to label: a couple of demons. Yes indeede! That they are! That they are! * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
Re: [Vo]:Smoke Ring?
On Jun 17, 2009, at 5:57 AM, Terry Blanton wrote: Whatever this UFO was, it scared the family: http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/us/2009/06/16/ dnt.va.ufo.sighting.wavy France, Brazil, Denmark and others have recently opened their UFO files. Is some sort of disclosure underway? Terry It looks to me that the rising structure to the right is about the right size and shape to make the vortex ring. I suspect it was only visible at the time of the video due to the low hanging clouds and apparently close to dew point conditions. Best regards, Horace Heffner http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/
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Dolphins? ET's? "Goodbye and thanks for all the fish!"
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Instead of condensation, possibly a void of moisture to the heat of the edge of the craft since it looks like it is hovering in a cloud. Monteverde . . . always thinking! Terry On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 1:11 PM, Rick Monteverde wrote: > Inadvertent condensation near the rim of a visually cloaked disc shaped > field-effect craft? > > - Rick > >
Re: [Vo]:Smoke Ring?
Well, possibly the Dolphins were the aliens who created the sky ring? Terry On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 10:27 AM, OrionWorks wrote: > Terry sez: > >> Whatever this UFO was, it scared the family: >> >> http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/us/2009/06/16/dnt.va.ufo.sighting.wavy >> >> France, Brazil, Denmark and others have recently opened their UFO >> files. Is some sort of disclosure underway? >> >> Terry > > I watched the video this morning. No doubt many have seen it since the > video has been playing on cnn.com for quite a while. > > It sure looks like a smoke/vapor ring to me, meaning it would appear > to be derived from a natural phenomenon. I gather a major reason some > appear to consider the apparition artificial in nature or deliberately > manufactured (presumably by some advanced intelligence, i.e. our > friends originating from Zeta Reticuli ;-) ) is that the apparition > seems perfectly circular in its geometry. > > I think the reason I'm inclined to assume that the "ring" is a natural > phenomenon is that it remains stationary in the sky. The fact that it > also appears to be perfectly circular does not immediately suggest to > me that it is artificial in nature. It's my understanding that many > things in nature will assume a perfectly circular geometry precisely > because a circle/sphere is the most energy efficient/economic > topological surface to assume. Bubbles are a perfect example of a > perfect sphere. Few here would assume that bubbles are the result of > intelligently piloted craft! > > BTW, there was marvelous you-tube video someone on this list shared > many months ago showing dolphins creating exquisitely formed bubble > rings. What was extraordinary about this behavior was the fact that > these dolphins seemed to "know" precisely when and/or how to disturb > the ring in order to split the bubble vortex into two independent > rings. One can not help but acquire the sense that cetations possess > an incredible amount of intelligence - to be able to form and > manipulate these playthings. It was sheer play for them. Of course, > Douglas Adams had plenty to say on the subject of just how intelligent > dolphins are. "So long! And Thanks for all the fish!" > > The point behind this meandering follow-up post is the fact that the > bubble rings these dolphins were manufacturing, once formed, were > exceedingly stable as they traveled through the much more dense medium > of water. They were quite circular as well. Now, consider the fact > that atmospheric "smoke" rings have less viscosity to deal with, and > it seems natural for me to assume that such phenomenon can remain > stable in the sky for quite a while before eventually dissipating. > > My two cents. > > Regards > Steven Vincent Johnson > www.OrionWorks.com > www.zazzle.com/orionworks > >
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Inadvertent condensation near the rim of a visually cloaked disc shaped field-effect craft? - Rick
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Terry sez: > Whatever this UFO was, it scared the family: > > http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/us/2009/06/16/dnt.va.ufo.sighting.wavy > > France, Brazil, Denmark and others have recently opened their UFO > files. Is some sort of disclosure underway? > > Terry I watched the video this morning. No doubt many have seen it since the video has been playing on cnn.com for quite a while. It sure looks like a smoke/vapor ring to me, meaning it would appear to be derived from a natural phenomenon. I gather a major reason some appear to consider the apparition artificial in nature or deliberately manufactured (presumably by some advanced intelligence, i.e. our friends originating from Zeta Reticuli ;-) ) is that the apparition seems perfectly circular in its geometry. I think the reason I'm inclined to assume that the "ring" is a natural phenomenon is that it remains stationary in the sky. The fact that it also appears to be perfectly circular does not immediately suggest to me that it is artificial in nature. It's my understanding that many things in nature will assume a perfectly circular geometry precisely because a circle/sphere is the most energy efficient/economic topological surface to assume. Bubbles are a perfect example of a perfect sphere. Few here would assume that bubbles are the result of intelligently piloted craft! BTW, there was marvelous you-tube video someone on this list shared many months ago showing dolphins creating exquisitely formed bubble rings. What was extraordinary about this behavior was the fact that these dolphins seemed to "know" precisely when and/or how to disturb the ring in order to split the bubble vortex into two independent rings. One can not help but acquire the sense that cetations possess an incredible amount of intelligence - to be able to form and manipulate these playthings. It was sheer play for them. Of course, Douglas Adams had plenty to say on the subject of just how intelligent dolphins are. "So long! And Thanks for all the fish!" The point behind this meandering follow-up post is the fact that the bubble rings these dolphins were manufacturing, once formed, were exceedingly stable as they traveled through the much more dense medium of water. They were quite circular as well. Now, consider the fact that atmospheric "smoke" rings have less viscosity to deal with, and it seems natural for me to assume that such phenomenon can remain stable in the sky for quite a while before eventually dissipating. My two cents. Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
