RE: [Vo]:What is special about ~630 eV ?
It looks like international patents are a thing of the past with all the nationalists, etal. that could care less about a civilized planet of the future. Good marketing is where the money (or whatever replaces it) lies—not in known intellectual property. As Jones hints, the real question is: What is the source of potential energy that is changed to phonic or thermal energy by the shielding functions of the reactor for EM radiation, if it is produced during the reaction? Bob Cook From: JonesBeene<mailto:jone...@pacbell.net> Sent: Friday, June 21, 2019 6:32 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com<mailto:vortex-l@eskimo.com> Subject: RE: [Vo]:What is special about ~630 eV ? From: Axil Axil<mailto:janap...@gmail.com> * The gain might not be thermal, but ultraviolet light. Technically , if the main mechanism for gain is photonic in the 630 eV range – that mass-energy level is categorized as a soft x-ray which is stronger than EUV. If this turned out to be a Mills-type of hydrino reaction, which it partially resembles - then yes – the gain would be ultraviolet. Of course, in the end either UV or soft x-rays would be downshifted into thermal – as they are in the range of ‘universally absorbed’ and none of that kind of radiation escapes a steel reactor as anything but heat. The problem with suggesting Holmlid’s theory is that one of the main mechanisms for gain is proton disintegration into muons – much of which radiation would escape without being captured. We can probably rule out Holmlid’s main hypothesis since Mizuno is still alive and in good health. Same for fusion. If his home furnace was producing 3 kilowatts of heat from proton annihilation into muons for much of the winter, or from nuclear fusion - severe health problems would surely be evident. At this stage there is nothing wrong with suggesting that the thermal gain comes partly from a Millsean mechanism and partly from Holmlid’s but mostly… and without a doubt, the breakthrough is from Mizuno’s “Aladdin effect” technique of surface alloying. One thing we can be sure of -- attribution will be contested on many fronts - but it is Mizuno who let the genie out of the lamp – no doubt there and secondly, the main beneficiaries are likely to be the Chinese, if this is real. They have the perfect market for such a device as the one we are seeing. The main Mills’ patents have expired but they will negate many of the later attempt by patent trolls to control a fractional hydrogen modality. As everyone is aware – a source of kilowatt level clean heat – as is epitomized in the fabulous hearth image in the new Mizuno paper – well, that is a trillion dollar invention and every greedy bastard on the planet will be trying to get their fingers in the pot. But hey – that is the essence of capitalism. And isn’t it ironic that former communists will probably be the main beneficiaries. Jones
RE: [Vo]:What is special about ~630 eV ?
From: Axil Axil ➢ The gain might not be thermal, but ultraviolet light. Technically , if the main mechanism for gain is photonic in the 630 eV range – that mass-energy level is categorized as a soft x-ray which is stronger than EUV. If this turned out to be a Mills-type of hydrino reaction, which it partially resembles - then yes – the gain would be ultraviolet. Of course, in the end either UV or soft x-rays would be downshifted into thermal – as they are in the range of ‘universally absorbed’ and none of that kind of radiation escapes a steel reactor as anything but heat. The problem with suggesting Holmlid’s theory is that one of the main mechanisms for gain is proton disintegration into muons – much of which radiation would escape without being captured. We can probably rule out Holmlid’s main hypothesis since Mizuno is still alive and in good health. Same for fusion. If his home furnace was producing 3 kilowatts of heat from proton annihilation into muons for much of the winter, or from nuclear fusion - severe health problems would surely be evident. At this stage there is nothing wrong with suggesting that the thermal gain comes partly from a Millsean mechanism and partly from Holmlid’s but mostly… and without a doubt, the breakthrough is from Mizuno’s “Aladdin effect” technique of surface alloying. One thing we can be sure of -- attribution will be contested on many fronts - but it is Mizuno who let the genie out of the lamp – no doubt there and secondly, the main beneficiaries are likely to be the Chinese, if this is real. They have the perfect market for such a device as the one we are seeing. The main Mills’ patents have expired but they will negate many of the later attempt by patent trolls to control a fractional hydrogen modality. As everyone is aware – a source of kilowatt level clean heat – as is epitomized in the fabulous hearth image in the new Mizuno paper – well, that is a trillion dollar invention and every greedy bastard on the planet will be trying to get their fingers in the pot. But hey – that is the essence of capitalism. And isn’t it ironic that former communists will probably be the main beneficiaries. Jones
Re: [Vo]:What is special about ~630 eV ?
The gain might not be thermal, but ultraviolet light. On Thu, Jun 20, 2019 at 6:29 PM JonesBeene wrote: > Yes. > > > > Basically I am simply looking for connections which can explain the > thermal gain with the fewest conflicts. > > > > That is not an easy task – but this looks far less like nuclear fusion > than does P electrolysis. > > > > > > *From: *mix...@bigpond.com > > > > In reply to JonesBeene's message of Thu, 20 Jun 2019 13:02:01 -0700: > > Hi, > > [snip] > > >Robin, > > > > > >The separation distance of dense deuterium is about 2 picometers in > Holmlid’s model > > > > So, when you were talking about 2 nm, you were talking about the size of > the > > cluster as a whole then rather than the separation distance? > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Robin van Spaandonk > > > > local asymmetry = temporary success > > > > >
RE: [Vo]:What is special about ~630 eV ?
Yes. Basically I am simply looking for connections which can explain the thermal gain with the fewest conflicts. That is not an easy task – but this looks far less like nuclear fusion than does P electrolysis. From: mix...@bigpond.com In reply to JonesBeene's message of Thu, 20 Jun 2019 13:02:01 -0700: Hi, [snip] >Robin, > >The separation distance of dense deuterium is about 2 picometers in Holmlids >model So, when you were talking about 2 nm, you were talking about the size of the cluster as a whole then rather than the separation distance? Regards, Robin van Spaandonk local asymmetry = temporary success
Re: [Vo]:What is special about ~630 eV ?
In reply to JonesBeene's message of Thu, 20 Jun 2019 13:02:01 -0700: Hi, [snip] >Robin, > >The separation distance of dense deuterium is about 2 picometers in Holmlids >model So, when you were talking about 2 nm, you were talking about the size of the cluster as a whole then rather than the separation distance? Regards, Robin van Spaandonk local asymmetry = temporary success
RE: [Vo]:What is special about ~630 eV ?
Robin, The separation distance of dense deuterium is about 2 picometers in Holmlid’s model From: mix...@bigpond.com … 2 nm = 20 Angstrom ~= 28 times the separation distance of the of the D nuclei in a Deuterium molecule. If Deuterium molecules are too big to undergo fusion using the strong force, then I struggle to see how it could be playing a role when the separation distance is 28 times larger still. Regards, Robin van Spaandonk local asymmetry = temporary success
Re: [Vo]:What is special about ~630 eV ?
In reply to JonesBeene's message of Thu, 20 Jun 2019 07:00:24 -0700: Hi, [snip] >The strong force may become involved at this point to provide the binding >energy in similar way that gluons bind quarks. [snip] 2 nm = 20 Angstrom ~= 28 times the separation distance of the of the D nuclei in a Deuterium molecule. If Deuterium molecules are too big to undergo fusion using the strong force, then I struggle to see how it could be playing a role when the separation distance is 28 times larger still. Regards, Robin van Spaandonk local asymmetry = temporary success
RE: [Vo]:What is special about ~630 eV ?
Oops, Should be “Two nm is the separation geometry for maximum appearance (compressive force) of the Casimir force” Instead of “Two nm is the maximum separation geometry for the appearance of the Casimir force” IOW - the Casimir force is seen most strongly within a range of 2-12 nm - but it reaches its maximum at 2 nm and then drops off sharply below 2 nm.
RE: [Vo]:What is special about ~630 eV ?
One detail which may figure into the understanding of the new Mizuno work is the wavelength of photons at 630 eV. Dense deuterium as it is characterized in about two dozen papers will have a binding energy of ~630 eV – at least that is the energy signature which has been measured. Mizuno mentions this energy level but it is not clear that he has actually measured it. That particular energy level corresponds to a photon wavelength which is very close to 2 nanometers. There are several reasons why 2 nm may be relevant to understanding the dynamics of the Mizuno device. Two nm is the maximum separation geometry for the appearance of the Casimir force. Also 2 nm may relate to the thickness achieved when palladium is burnished onto nickel mesh or else to the size of surface pitting after the burnishing, or both. One possible scenario for the energy release goes something like this. The Casimir force which is exerted on the thin palladium coating of nickel mesh serves to compress deuterons into a cluster of atoms - in which a large number of atoms become bound together. The energy represented by this soft x-ray emission at 630 eV is not coming from the Casimir force itself. After all, it is a force not an emitter. The strong force may become involved at this point to provide the binding energy in similar way that gluons bind quarks. That binding energy can later be released when the cluster is disrupted or more likely when it self-destructs at a critical size level of around 90-95 atoms. That release of binding energy is the ultimate derivation of the soft x-ray which is seen. Most of the mass of hadrons is actually QCD binding energy, through mass-energy equivalence. Some of that can perhaps be shared on a larger geometric scale with the cluster – and therefore the energy release is nuclear, but not coming directly from a nucleus.. Jones Of interest – could the heat of the Mizuno device be partly or mostly nuclear… but also … NON-fusion and NON-weak force ? A mass-energy value which keeps turning up in dense hydrogen cluster papers is 630 eV. It apparently relates to energy released by a cluster of dense hydrogen which has become disordered. This is a measured value – not a theory. This value is mentioned many times by Miley and also by Mizuno. This is an unusually strong value energetically for chemistry but weak for nuclear. For comparison the chemical bond energy of two deuterons to each other is 4.5 eV and the weakest beta emission is in the few keV range. 630 eV would be middle ground – a very soft x-ray which few meters can detect. There is a Rydberg multiple at ~625 eV but it seems crazy to suggest that this would be a favored value for Mills’ theory as it doesn’t turn up in any of his papers. The BEC cluster of deuterons which are bound to each other by a poorly understood mechanism are said to contain around 100 atoms by Miley’s group and less than that by Holmlid who sees the structure as linear as opposed to globular. Apparently both seem to believe the numberof atoms in a BEC is not random. I am wondering if the common denominator between energies which are hi-chem but low-nuke has anything to do with Don Hotson’s EPO. Why? The ionization potential of positronium is 6.8 eV. Hotson envisioned a universal background “aether” to be composed of EPOs – basically positronium in 4 space. Presumably it would still have the same characteristic binding energy. Thus, In a cluster of around 100 deuterons at 2 pm separation, bound in some kind of stable arrangement, if about 93 of them acted as a single unit in decay, then possibly the result would be a single photon of this value 630 eV. That is a huge stretch as there is absolutely no reason to suspect that there could be such a favored number of atoms nor that they would act in unison. But QM is strange and QCD is stranger. There are no satisfactory explanations for now - but the beauty of the recent news from Mizuno is that now - at long last there appears to be a justifiable expectation for finding on demand power at the kilowatt level without gamma radiation. The real clincher of the announcement is the image that has been imprinted on physicists everywhere - that fabulous image of the Mizuno reactor taken in from of a fireplace, reportedly providing winter time heat in one of the colder parts of Japan. An instant classic !! Jones
