RE: [Vo]:suggestion for speakers
Iwamura's transmutation experiments are very convincing. They confirm their results by three advanced instrumental techniques, secondary ion mass spectrometry(SIMS), x-ray photoelectron spectroscopy(XPS), and x-ray fluorescence spectroscopy (XRF). These three measurements confirming each other are very difficult to refute. Each one is astounding in it's own right, together they are extraordinary. Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2012 20:57:59 -0400 Subject: Re: [Vo]:suggestion for speakers From: hveeder...@gmail.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Jed, I already sent him these links as a place to start. * Arata replication by Kitamura et al. and Kidwell et al. http://lenr-canr.org/wordpress/?p=679 * PHYSICS LETTERS A . doi:10.1016/j.physleta.2009.09.026 Piezonuclear neutrons from fracturing of inert solids A slide show presentation: http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/Carpinteripiezonucle.pdf My impression is he has been tasked with preparing a survey of the field so he is looking for help gathering the best experimental research. Harry On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 4:20 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote: I was recently informed by a canadian physicist that he has been asked to gather new FACTUAL information ... on Low Energy Nuclear Reactions and he welcomed information from me that I believed to be factual. Tell him I have uploaded several thousand pages of FACTUAL information here: http://lenr-canr.org/ Plus some highly imaginative stuff in the theory section and some experiments I do not find credible. The problem is, you can't tell which is which. There is no magic touchstone for truth. On behalf of the researchers and myself, I kind of resent it when people say they are looking for FACTUAL information and they cannot find it. I would ask: Have you tried looking in a university library? Have you tried Google? CERN or the ENEA? Where would you expect to find FACTUAL information? This is the 21st century. The biggest difference between now and the 20th century is the ease with which we can find information. And misinformation. If your friend is looking for misinformation on cold fusion, try the Scientific American or Wikipedia. They do resemble a magic touchstone. Take whatever they say, and assume the opposite is true.
Re: [Vo]:suggestion for speakers
Yes, I will pass that on. Thanks to Jed's library I found the orginal journal paper by Iwamura http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/IwamuraYelementalaa.pdf and his follow up presentations at the ICCF meetings Kowalski says the work by Iwamura was duplicated by a group led by Akito Takahashi of Osaka University http://pages.csam.montclair.edu/~kowalski/cf/105iwamura2.html but I can't find a report or document devoted to the Osaka duplication. Is there such a document or is the work described inside another document by Akito Takahashi? harry On Fri, Mar 30, 2012 at 3:51 AM, Finlay MacNab finlaymac...@hotmail.com wrote: Iwamura's transmutation experiments are very convincing. They confirm their results by three advanced instrumental techniques, secondary ion mass spectrometry(SIMS), x-ray photoelectron spectroscopy(XPS), and x-ray fluorescence spectroscopy (XRF). These three measurements confirming each other are very difficult to refute. Each one is astounding in it's own right, together they are extraordinary. Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2012 20:57:59 -0400 Subject: Re: [Vo]:suggestion for speakers From: hveeder...@gmail.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Jed, I already sent him these links as a place to start. * Arata replication by Kitamura et al. and Kidwell et al. http://lenr-canr.org/wordpress/?p=679 * PHYSICS LETTERS A . doi:10.1016/j.physleta.2009.09.026 Piezonuclear neutrons from fracturing of inert solids A slide show presentation: http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/Carpinteripiezonucle.pdf My impression is he has been tasked with preparing a survey of the field so he is looking for help gathering the best experimental research. Harry On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 4:20 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote: I was recently informed by a canadian physicist that he has been asked to gather new FACTUAL information ... on Low Energy Nuclear Reactions and he welcomed information from me that I believed to be factual. Tell him I have uploaded several thousand pages of FACTUAL information here: http://lenr-canr.org/ Plus some highly imaginative stuff in the theory section and some experiments I do not find credible. The problem is, you can't tell which is which. There is no magic touchstone for truth. On behalf of the researchers and myself, I kind of resent it when people say they are looking for FACTUAL information and they cannot find it. I would ask: Have you tried looking in a university library? Have you tried Google? CERN or the ENEA? Where would you expect to find FACTUAL information? This is the 21st century. The biggest difference between now and the 20th century is the ease with which we can find information. And misinformation. If your friend is looking for misinformation on cold fusion, try the Scientific American or Wikipedia. They do resemble a magic touchstone. Take whatever they say, and assume the opposite is true.
RE: [Vo]:suggestion for speakers
I would invite NASA researcher Joe Zawodny and or Prof. Miley. The NASA slides appear to me to develop and test a well modeled structure and yield predictable results. PS I'll be there if you invite them to speak in Vancouver! Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2012 12:32:11 -0400 From: hveeder...@gmail.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: [Vo]:suggestion for speakers The scientific community in Canada appears to show a renewed interest in LENR. I think in the near future a speaker or speakers will be invited to give a talk on LENR for a prominent Canadian scientific association. Who would be the best speakers to invite and who would be willing to come? Harry
RE: [Vo]:suggestion for speakers
Dr. Storms, I would relish the opportunity to hear you speak on the topic in an academic environment. CC: stor...@ix.netcom.com From: stor...@ix.netcom.com To: finlaymac...@hotmail.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:suggestion for speakers Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2012 11:40:04 -0600 Finlay, I don't like to make comments about people, but the theory Zawodny advocates is an embarrassment to anyone who has scientific training and have you ever heard Miley talk? These people are not the best source of information about the field. Ed On Mar 29, 2012, at 11:28 AM, Finlay MacNab wrote:I would invite NASA researcher Joe Zawodny and or Prof. Miley. The NASA slides appear to me to develop and test a well modeled structure and yield predictable results. PS I'll be there if you invite them to speak in Vancouver! Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2012 12:32:11 -0400 From: hveeder...@gmail.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: [Vo]:suggestion for speakers The scientific community in Canada appears to show a renewed interest in LENR. I think in the near future a speaker or speakers will be invited to give a talk on LENR for a prominent Canadian scientific association. Who would be the best speakers to invite and who would be willing to come? Harry
Re: [Vo]:suggestion for speakers
I was recently informed by a canadian physicist that he has been asked to gather new FACTUAL information ... on Low Energy Nuclear Reactions and he welcomed information from me that I believed to be factual. Anyway, it is just *my* expectation that this fact finding *might* lead to an invitation, so I am curious to hear from vortex who they think would make the best speaker(s). harry On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 2:21 PM, Finlay MacNab finlaymac...@hotmail.com wrote: Dr. Storms, I would relish the opportunity to hear you speak on the topic in an academic environment. CC: stor...@ix.netcom.com From: stor...@ix.netcom.com To: finlaymac...@hotmail.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:suggestion for speakers Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2012 11:40:04 -0600 Finlay, I don't like to make comments about people, but the theory Zawodny advocates is an embarrassment to anyone who has scientific training and have you ever heard Miley talk? These people are not the best source of information about the field. Ed On Mar 29, 2012, at 11:28 AM, Finlay MacNab wrote: I would invite NASA researcher Joe Zawodny and or Prof. Miley. The NASA slides appear to me to develop and test a well modeled structure and yield predictable results. PS I'll be there if you invite them to speak in Vancouver! Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2012 12:32:11 -0400 From: hveeder...@gmail.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: [Vo]:suggestion for speakers The scientific community in Canada appears to show a renewed interest in LENR. I think in the near future a speaker or speakers will be invited to give a talk on LENR for a prominent Canadian scientific association. Who would be the best speakers to invite and who would be willing to come? Harry
Re: [Vo]:suggestion for speakers
Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote: I was recently informed by a canadian physicist that he has been asked to gather new FACTUAL information ... on Low Energy Nuclear Reactions and he welcomed information from me that I believed to be factual. Tell him I have uploaded several thousand pages of FACTUAL information here: http://lenr-canr.org/ Plus some highly imaginative stuff in the theory section and some experiments I do not find credible. The problem is, you can't tell which is which. There is no magic touchstone for truth. On behalf of the researchers and myself, I kind of resent it when people say they are looking for FACTUAL information and they cannot find it. I would ask: Have you tried looking in a university library? Have you tried Google? CERN or the ENEA? Where would you expect to find FACTUAL information? This is the 21st century. The biggest difference between now and the 20th century is the ease with which we can find information. And misinformation. If your friend is looking for misinformation on cold fusion, try the Scientific American or Wikipedia. They do resemble a magic touchstone. Take whatever they say, and assume the opposite is true. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:suggestion for speakers
possible candidates, the no risk team: same as cern : celani, srivastava... about theorist... one of widom/larsen/srivastava, or one kim or zubarev for another theory (to have a different view), for experiment: the SPAWAR team, one of the italian nickel team : focardi, celani, piantelli why not Arrata team, or a japanese researcher to have a different view... or mitsubishi/Toyota team... if surviving 2012/3/29 Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com I was recently informed by a canadian physicist that he has been asked to gather new FACTUAL information ... on Low Energy Nuclear Reactions and he welcomed information from me that I believed to be factual. Anyway, it is just *my* expectation that this fact finding *might* lead to an invitation, so I am curious to hear from vortex who they think would make the best speaker(s). harry On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 2:21 PM, Finlay MacNab finlaymac...@hotmail.com wrote: Dr. Storms, I would relish the opportunity to hear you speak on the topic in an academic environment. CC: stor...@ix.netcom.com From: stor...@ix.netcom.com To: finlaymac...@hotmail.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:suggestion for speakers Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2012 11:40:04 -0600 Finlay, I don't like to make comments about people, but the theory Zawodny advocates is an embarrassment to anyone who has scientific training and have you ever heard Miley talk? These people are not the best source of information about the field. Ed On Mar 29, 2012, at 11:28 AM, Finlay MacNab wrote: I would invite NASA researcher Joe Zawodny and or Prof. Miley. The NASA slides appear to me to develop and test a well modeled structure and yield predictable results. PS I'll be there if you invite them to speak in Vancouver! Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2012 12:32:11 -0400 From: hveeder...@gmail.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: [Vo]:suggestion for speakers The scientific community in Canada appears to show a renewed interest in LENR. I think in the near future a speaker or speakers will be invited to give a talk on LENR for a prominent Canadian scientific association. Who would be the best speakers to invite and who would be willing to come? Harry
Re: [Vo]:suggestion for speakers
Jed, I already sent him these links as a place to start. * Arata replication by Kitamura et al. and Kidwell et al. http://lenr-canr.org/wordpress/?p=679 * PHYSICS LETTERS A . doi:10.1016/j.physleta.2009.09.026 Piezonuclear neutrons from fracturing of inert solids A slide show presentation: http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/Carpinteripiezonucle.pdf My impression is he has been tasked with preparing a survey of the field so he is looking for help gathering the best experimental research. Harry On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 4:20 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote: I was recently informed by a canadian physicist that he has been asked to gather new FACTUAL information ... on Low Energy Nuclear Reactions and he welcomed information from me that I believed to be factual. Tell him I have uploaded several thousand pages of FACTUAL information here: http://lenr-canr.org/ Plus some highly imaginative stuff in the theory section and some experiments I do not find credible. The problem is, you can't tell which is which. There is no magic touchstone for truth. On behalf of the researchers and myself, I kind of resent it when people say they are looking for FACTUAL information and they cannot find it. I would ask: Have you tried looking in a university library? Have you tried Google? CERN or the ENEA? Where would you expect to find FACTUAL information? This is the 21st century. The biggest difference between now and the 20th century is the ease with which we can find information. And misinformation. If your friend is looking for misinformation on cold fusion, try the Scientific American or Wikipedia. They do resemble a magic touchstone. Take whatever they say, and assume the opposite is true.
