RE: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:If Rossi could speak freely, what would he say.
Axil wrote "As an engineering imperative, I have a feeling that Rossi decided to centralize control of the reactor in the control box where he can adjust or shut off control power as required." Axil, That is what Pulse Width Modulation [PWM] does - In fact zero "ON" time is a valid pulse width for a PWM cycle when the feedback indicates the need to greatly reduce the output. Fran
Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:If Rossi could speak freely, what would he say.
On Tue, 26 Apr 2011 13:14 Axil wrote Control of the Rossi reaction is a complicated thing. The energy density pumping mechanism you site may be only one mechanism of many that play into the complicated interplay of many factors in which the Cat-E might be controlled. Reply --Agreed and it may be only a small fraction but I am convinced it is the INITIATING mechanism for otherwise improbable reactions./// Rossi's revelation that the "secret catalyst" makes the Rossi reaction "go" is an argument against your theory being the sole or even the primary controlling factor. He states that without this secret element, nickel powder does not produce a sustained reaction. Reply --- It is complicated but the secret catalyst whether "spill over" or an ultrafine "back fill" that simply divides the nano cavities into even smaller more powerful geometries doesn't negate the need to control the movement of the gas population above and below the disassociation threshold, it just gives you more opportunity on a larger scale where fractional molecules are spread over a larger "volume" or "loading" into ever smaller relativistic fractional states down to 1/137 - my point is the covalent bond can act like a rectifier when gas motion pushes the molecule too far from the fractional value at which it formed in either direction like going from 1/60 h2 to a geometry that wants to reform the atoms of the molecule to a 1/70 th or a 1/50 th fractional state -if the atoms are cool enough to reform a molecule they will do so at whatever fractional level the geometry dictates with no stress on the new covalent bond until gas motion pushes it to a different Casimir geometry./// But he also says that the Reaction can continue without the application of external stimulus being applied. This is where the mechanism you site might come into play. I also think this is a mode that Rossi does not want the Cat-E reaction to enter. Reply --- OK if you wish to call lack of control a "mode" vs the PWM "controlled" "mode" but it is the same initial process before we get into any possible nuclear reactions. I think the danger is that the cooling loop slowly builds an army of fractionalized molecules as the system is spun up which are ready to run away and melt down the geometry in an instant like we saw with Mills powder in the Rowan confirmations but the quantity of fractionalized gas would be at a far more dangerous level./// I think the "secret catalyst" is a spillover catalyst that turns H2 into H- and forces this H-into the crystal lattice of the nickel powder. In the beginning, this might have been only a "startup" mechanism. Reply --- I think "loading" is always an ongoing requirement or the reaction will die. But the reactor melted down more than he would have liked where once is too much. I believe that Rossi had to somehow disable energy density pumping to positively control his reactor the way that he wants to. REPLY --- I would disagree, He certainly has to throttle it but not "disable" it./// If energy density pumping is full blown, the reactor may sometimes enter an uncontrolled mode where it takes off on its own nickel (pun intended) and melts down. REPLY---Agreed!// As an engineering imperative, I have a feeling that Rossi decided to centralize control of the reactor in the control box where he can adjust or shut off control power as required. He calls his Cat-E reactor an energy amplifier because the small amount of energy used to control the Cat-E is amplified greatly in the power output of the reactor.
Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:If Rossi could speak freely, what would he say.
Control of the Rossi reaction is a complicated thing. The energy density pumping mechanism you site may be only one mechanism of many that play into the complicated interplay of many factors in which the Cat-E might be controlled. Rossi’s revelation that the “secret catalyst” makes the Rossi reaction “go” is an argument against your theory being the sole or even the primary controlling factor. He states that without this secret element, nickel powder does not produce a sustained reaction. But he also says that the Reaction can continue without the application of external stimulus being applied. This is where the mechanism you site might come into play. I also think this is a mode that Rossi does not want the Cat-E reaction to enter. I think the “secret catalyst” is a spillover catalyst that turns H2 into H- and forces this H-into the crystal lattice of the nickel powder. In the beginning, this might have been only a “startup” mechanism. But the reactor melted down more than he would have liked where once is too much. I believe that Rossi had to somehow disable energy density pumping to positively control his reactor the way that he wants to. If energy density pumping is full blown, the reactor may sometimes enter an uncontrolled mode where it takes off on its own nickel (pun intended) and melts down. As an engineering imperative, I have a feeling that Rossi decided to centralize control of the reactor in the control box where he can adjust or shut off control power as required. He calls his Cat-E reactor an energy amplifier because the small amount of energy used to control the Cat-E is amplified greatly in the power output of the reactor. * * On Mon, Apr 25, 2011 at 9:46 AM, Roarty, Francis X < francis.x.roa...@lmco.com> wrote: > On Sun, Apr 24, 2011 at 05:25, Axil Axil wrote: > > > > *“With temperature above the set the reactor is automatically stopped”* > > > > Axil, > > We see the Mill’s powder in the Rowan confirmations totally > run-away but yet we get mixed messages about the Rossi reactor which IMHO > may reflect the bond state of the gas population. It seems > counter-intuitive but instead of just throttling back this Rossi type of > reaction we MUST remove heat, not only to store the energy gain but it seems > we have to cool the disassociated atoms enough that nature takes over and > they reform molecules allowing us to repeat the cycle over and over again. I > am not saying the reaction stops without cooling but only that it slows > itself down proportional to the population that is in molecular form. The > random motion of gas relative to Casimir geometry changes the energy > density being experienced by the gas molecules. Atoms are simply reoriented > by this change in energy density but those atoms sharing covalent > bonds (molecules) are held by the covalent bond in the same > orientation they possessed when the molecule formed. This "pressure" the > covalent bond feels when energy density changes discounts the energy needed > to disassociate the molecule such that it can occur at a much lower > temperature - when these atoms later re-form a new molecule they release the > full energy associated with hydrogen atoms dropping to the lower molecular > energy state including even the energy contributed in the previous > cycle from the combination of gas motion and change in energy density. We > are getting a full refund for a purchase discounted by the constant motion > of gas. > > Fran > > > > *From:* gotjos...@gmail.com [mailto:gotjos...@gmail.com] *On Behalf Of * > .:.gotjosh > *Sent:* Monday, April 25, 2011 6:58 AM > *To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com > *Subject:* EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:If Rossi could speak freely, what would he > say. > > > > Thanks for this post Axil, i have some comments and questions below... > > On Sun, Apr 24, 2011 at 05:25, Axil Axil wrote: > > > > *“With temperature above the set the reactor is automatically stopped”* > > > > *It the temperature continues to rise above another set point, the control > box releases the hydrogen gas into the water loop piping though the > controlled opening of an electrically controlled valve. This action vents > excess heat to the outside environment and serves to depress the reaction. > * > > > > in my design i will prefer bimetal valves for solid state non-electronic > control if possible. > > eg: http://www.emsclad.com/examples/thermal-controls.html > > * * > > *“How much would the temperature of the metal rise?”* > > * * > > *The nickel oxide powder will have a substantial amount of hydrogen stored > in the lattice interstices at the surface of the nickel oxide powder where > the oxygen has been depleted by the erosive action of hydrogen impingement > at the surface or into the surface to some depth of the powder.* > > What do you say the previous question(s) about H2O production between H2 > and the O from NiO ? > > * * > > *When the heat sink of the water coolant is removed, this
RE: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:If Rossi could speak freely, what would he say.
On Sun, Apr 24, 2011 at 05:25, Axil Axil mailto:janap...@gmail.com>> wrote: “With temperature above the set the reactor is automatically stopped” Axil, We see the Mill’s powder in the Rowan confirmations totally run-away but yet we get mixed messages about the Rossi reactor which IMHO may reflect the bond state of the gas population. It seems counter-intuitive but instead of just throttling back this Rossi type of reaction we MUST remove heat, not only to store the energy gain but it seems we have to cool the disassociated atoms enough that nature takes over and they reform molecules allowing us to repeat the cycle over and over again. I am not saying the reaction stops without cooling but only that it slows itself down proportional to the population that is in molecular form. The random motion of gas relative to Casimir geometry changes the energy density being experienced by the gas molecules. Atoms are simply reoriented by this change in energy density but those atoms sharing covalent bonds (molecules) are held by the covalent bond in the same orientation they possessed when the molecule formed. This "pressure" the covalent bond feels when energy density changes discounts the energy needed to disassociate the molecule such that it can occur at a much lower temperature - when these atoms later re-form a new molecule they release the full energy associated with hydrogen atoms dropping to the lower molecular energy state including even the energy contributed in the previous cycle from the combination of gas motion and change in energy density. We are getting a full refund for a purchase discounted by the constant motion of gas. Fran From: gotjos...@gmail.com [mailto:gotjos...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of .:.gotjosh Sent: Monday, April 25, 2011 6:58 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:If Rossi could speak freely, what would he say. Thanks for this post Axil, i have some comments and questions below... On Sun, Apr 24, 2011 at 05:25, Axil Axil mailto:janap...@gmail.com>> wrote: “With temperature above the set the reactor is automatically stopped” It the temperature continues to rise above another set point, the control box releases the hydrogen gas into the water loop piping though the controlled opening of an electrically controlled valve. This action vents excess heat to the outside environment and serves to depress the reaction. in my design i will prefer bimetal valves for solid state non-electronic control if possible. eg: http://www.emsclad.com/examples/thermal-controls.html “How much would the temperature of the metal rise?” The nickel oxide powder will have a substantial amount of hydrogen stored in the lattice interstices at the surface of the nickel oxide powder where the oxygen has been depleted by the erosive action of hydrogen impingement at the surface or into the surface to some depth of the powder. What do you say the previous question(s) about H2O production between H2 and the O from NiO ? When the heat sink of the water coolant is removed, this nuclear reaction in the lattice interstices will continue until the temperature of at the surface of the powder reaches the melting point of nickel. The lattice interstices will begin to close as nickel migrate to these lattice interstices sites displacing the absorbed hydrogen gas. “Will the nuclear reaction stop due to high temperatures or will it be enhanced?” With some number of these heat producing sites disabled, the temperature at the surface of the reaction vessel will stabilize and slowly begin to fall. So you think it is totally self regulating in a melt down situation? and the electronically controlled valves are only to prevent the meltdown? This leaves open the possibility for the use of thorium in the internal heater. Thorium has been used in vacuum tubes for many years with no radiation danger. How confident are you about the tungsten vs nichrome question for element material? is SiC another reasonable possibility? Or is it too dangerous to have any C around? Can you further explain the potential benefit of Thorium? Finally, I have a question about the radiation shielding layers... if the reactor is operating between 400 and 600C optimally, how can the lead shielding remain solid? or if the borated water solution is used, won't that vaporize? thanks to you all for your insightful contributions and engagement.
