Re: [Vo]:A Relativistic catalyst for LENR
Jones-- Your comment that Hg can help spin coupling is out od the blue. What makes you think it can help in spin coupling? Bob Sent from Windows Mail From: Jones Beene Sent: Friday, May 23, 2014 6:34 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com -Original Message- From: torulf.gr...@bredband.net …or to red mercury? This topic comes up from time to time here. No surprise there: both red mercury and vimanas actually are intriguing in the spy-vs-spy maneuverings of officials despite whatever science could be involved. Many would like to brand everything related to Hg as nothing more than SciFi or scam, but there are connections to LENR which can explain some things. Sam Cohen, the main proponent - has adequate credentials to be believed, even if he is not the father of the neutron bomb… but he could be that as well. He claimed for some time that red mercury is a powerful ballotechnic and BTW - the red indicates only that it was developed by Russian commies - not a coloration (that came as part of the scam). Ballotechnics can be defined as supra-chemical - in that inner orbitals are accessed; and with Hg such a happenstance brings up the relativistic connection. Even Cohen may not have fully realized the implications of Hg relativist electrons, nor the close Rydberg fit… and the possibility of the two working together for LENR. In fact, the end result may go beyond what Cohen has claimed -imagine a cold fusion trigger for hot fusion. Cohen thought that the supra-chemical energy released during the Hg reaction is enough to directly compress a fission secondary without the need for a fissile primary. He claimed that Soviets perfected grapefruit-sized pure fusion weapons, but there is no validation of this claim from any official source. However, if what was really happening was fusing deuterons into helium by Hg from reduced orbitals, then the need for both fissile material and tritium would be completely eliminated. Yikes. Undetectable. This is the worst imaginable nightmare for DHS. In fact, it would not surprise me, if the US was the developer of this technology - or co-developer, back in the early eighties - and some Russian entrepreneurs later were able to built a scam on top of it, selling junk on the black market for OPEC megabucks - possibly to discredit the technology in another way. If this is even partly true: that Hg can catalyze D+D cold fusion, then that fact alone explains why cold fusion was officially ignored at the highest levels - from the start in 1989. And… to tell the truth … that level of official neglect may make logical sense on one level, since a 9/11 style act could have been much worse if red mercury is really a cold fusion trigger for hot fusion. Mercury is one of a few metals or eutectics which remain a liquid down to fairly low temperature, and notable for Hg alone is the gas-phase. Mercury is a singularity in the periodic table in that it can exist as a monatomic gas, usually denoted as Hg(g). This lack of bonding is due to electron contraction by relativistic effects - which explains why the bonding for Hg-Hg is weak enough to allow for Hg to be a liquid at room temperature. Robin van Spaandonk wrote: Perhaps also of interest is that the sum of the first four ionization Energies is 108.99 eV, which is quite a good match for a Mills catalyst of m=4, representing an energy hole of 108.78 eV. Given that Mercury is atomic in the gas state, this should make the gas a good Mills catalyst. A pair of Hydrinos combined in a Hydrino molecule might be even be able to supply sufficient energy to cause Mercury to fission, giving rise to the tales of mercury powered Vimana. (Such a fission reaction would yield roughly 140 MeV.)
Re: [Vo]:A Relativistic catalyst for LENR
In reply to Jones Beene's message of Wed, 21 May 2014 07:19:30 -0700: Hi, [snip] Mercury is one of a few metals or eutectics which remain a liquid down to fairly low temperature, and notable for Hg alone is the gas-phase. Mercury is a singularity in the periodic table in that it can exist as a monatomic gas, usually denoted as Hg(g). This lack of bonding is due to electron contraction by relativistic effects - which explains why the bonding for Hg-Hg is weak enough to allow for Hg to be a liquid at room temperature. Perhaps also of interest is that the sum of the first four ionization energies is 108.99 eV, which is quite a good match for a Mills catalyst of m=4, representing an energy hole of 108.78 eV. Given that Mercury is atomic in the gas state, this should make the gas a good Mills catalyst. A pair of Hydrinos combined in a Hydrino molecule might be even be able to supply sufficient energy to cause Mercury to fission, giving rise to the tales of mercury powered Vimana. (Such a fission reaction would yield roughly 140 MeV.) Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html
Re: [Vo]:A Relativistic catalyst for LENR
or to red mercury? On Sat, 24 May 2014 10:27:48 +1000, mix...@bigpond.com wrote: In reply to Jones Beene's message of Wed, 21 May 2014 07:19:30 -0700: Hi, [snip] Mercury is one of a few metals or eutectics which remain a liquid down to fairly low temperature, and notable for Hg alone is the gas-phase. Mercury is a singularity in the periodic table in that it can exist as a monatomic gas, usually denoted as Hg(g). This lack of bonding is due to electron contraction by relativistic effects - which explains why the bonding for Hg-Hg is weak enough to allow for Hg to be a liquid at room temperature. Perhaps also of interest is that the sum of the first four ionization energies is 108.99 eV, which is quite a good match for a Mills catalyst of m=4, representing an energy hole of 108.78 eV. Given that Mercury is atomic in the gas state, this should make the gas a good Mills catalyst. A pair of Hydrinos combined in a Hydrino molecule might be even be able to supply sufficient energy to cause Mercury to fission, giving rise to the tales of mercury powered Vimana. (Such a fission reaction would yield roughly 140 MeV.) Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html
RE: [Vo]:A Relativistic catalyst for LENR
-Original Message- From: torulf.gr...@bredband.net …or to red mercury? This topic comes up from time to time here. No surprise there: both red mercury and vimanas actually are intriguing in the spy-vs-spy maneuverings of officials despite whatever science could be involved. Many would like to brand everything related to Hg as nothing more than SciFi or scam, but there are connections to LENR which can explain some things. Sam Cohen, the main proponent - has adequate credentials to be believed, even if he is not the father of the neutron bomb… but he could be that as well. He claimed for some time that red mercury is a powerful ballotechnic and BTW - the red indicates only that it was developed by Russian commies - not a coloration (that came as part of the scam). Ballotechnics can be defined as supra-chemical - in that inner orbitals are accessed; and with Hg such a happenstance brings up the relativistic connection. Even Cohen may not have fully realized the implications of Hg relativist electrons, nor the close Rydberg fit… and the possibility of the two working together for LENR. In fact, the end result may go beyond what Cohen has claimed -imagine a cold fusion trigger for hot fusion. Cohen thought that the supra-chemical energy released during the Hg reaction is enough to directly compress a fission secondary without the need for a fissile primary. He claimed that Soviets perfected grapefruit-sized pure fusion weapons, but there is no validation of this claim from any official source. However, if what was really happening was fusing deuterons into helium by Hg from reduced orbitals, then the need for both fissile material and tritium would be completely eliminated. Yikes. Undetectable. This is the worst imaginable nightmare for DHS. In fact, it would not surprise me, if the US was the developer of this technology - or co-developer, back in the early eighties - and some Russian entrepreneurs later were able to built a scam on top of it, selling junk on the black market for OPEC megabucks - possibly to discredit the technology in another way. If this is even partly true: that Hg can catalyze D+D cold fusion, then that fact alone explains why cold fusion was officially ignored at the highest levels - from the start in 1989. And… to tell the truth … that level of official neglect may make logical sense on one level, since a 9/11 style act could have been much worse if red mercury is really a cold fusion trigger for hot fusion. Mercury is one of a few metals or eutectics which remain a liquid down to fairly low temperature, and notable for Hg alone is the gas-phase. Mercury is a singularity in the periodic table in that it can exist as a monatomic gas, usually denoted as Hg(g). This lack of bonding is due to electron contraction by relativistic effects - which explains why the bonding for Hg-Hg is weak enough to allow for Hg to be a liquid at room temperature. Robin van Spaandonk wrote: Perhaps also of interest is that the sum of the first four ionization Energies is 108.99 eV, which is quite a good match for a Mills catalyst of m=4, representing an energy hole of 108.78 eV. Given that Mercury is atomic in the gas state, this should make the gas a good Mills catalyst. A pair of Hydrinos combined in a Hydrino molecule might be even be able to supply sufficient energy to cause Mercury to fission, giving rise to the tales of mercury powered Vimana. (Such a fission reaction would yield roughly 140 MeV.) attachment: winmail.dat
Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:A Relativistic catalyst for LENR
Francis, I am so sorry . My apologies. The email I sent went to the wrong address. I certainly did not know it so in one way I am glad for your comment even if it is embarrassing. The email should have gone to a lawyer whom I am negotiating with and who thinks that her word is good enough while I need to sign an agreement with notary public. I have been 'lecturing' her about basic negotiation protocol and she gets irritated over that, which I am using as a bat. Mean I know - but fair I can guarantee. My comment had nothing to do with your story. I will not comment on your OFO experience as I do know very little about UFOs and noy much more about virtual particles. I do understand the end of your post about the trees zipping by:) Best Regards , Lennart Thornros www.StrategicLeadershipSac.com lenn...@thornros.com +1 916 436 1899 6140 Horseshoe Bar Road Suite G, Loomis CA 95650 “Productivity is never an accident. It is always the result of a commitment to excellence, intelligent planning, and focused effort.” PJM On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 4:42 PM, Roarty, Francis X francis.x.roa...@lmco.com wrote: Sorry Len, I will endeavor to insert several sentences to act as acceleration dampers in future releases. Take 2 aspirin and you already called me yesterday – you are feeling fine tomorrow. Sorry but I am losing phase lock with your present temporal coordin…..t…….s… *From:* Lennart Thornros [mailto:lenn...@thornros.com] *Sent:* Wednesday, May 21, 2014 6:59 PM *To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com *Subject:* EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:A Relativistic catalyst for LENR Once again. Remarkable lack of negotiation protocol to - not keep things even. A conditional release should be a minimum after my agreement, which you will have tomorrow. Best Regards , Lennart Thornros www.StrategicLeadershipSac.com lenn...@thornros.com +1 916 436 1899 6140 Horseshoe Bar Road Suite G, Loomis CA 95650 “Productivity is never an accident. It is always the result of a commitment to excellence, intelligent planning, and focused effort.” PJM On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 3:34 PM, Roarty, Francis X francis.x.roa...@lmco.com wrote: If you thought I couldn’t go any further out on a limb how about UFO accelerations and sudden changes in vector being related to a macro form of this same posit of inhibiting virtual particles at the nano scale via casimir geometry. A macro world version of vacuum suppression would fit well with the observations of UFO craft that suddenly seemed to accelerate away, change vector and disappear from radar screens or even eluding chase aircraft by what we may be visually misinterpreting as acceleration and vector changes. The technology would suppress virtual particles such that the entire object shrinks 90 degrees from our 3D appearing to get more distant but as the chase aircraft passes the window where the UFO initiated this type of displacement it interprets the parallax of the UFO suddenly zipping away as velocity when it is really no more than the trees zipping past your peripheral vision along a narrow highway –the 3D ant farm we live in relative to a craft with temporal navigation capability. Fran
RE: [Vo]:A Relativistic catalyst for LENR
Jones, good posit regarding Hg, I hope someone tries it.I recently blind copied you an email with citations for both Naudt's paper on relativistic hydrogen and a Russian paper on relativistic effects inside Casimir geometry but don't have access to it presently. I think this means that the entire region is dilated by the cavity -more than just the electrons are relativistic - that the shrunken orbital also surrounds a shrunken proton from our perspective but locally the atom is unaware of the Lorentzian contraction and is careening along at fractions of C on an axis that to us appears to be 90 degrees from 3D and causes the contraction to appear symmetrical from all directions instead of the single axis of contraction a rocketship near C spatial displacement would exhibit to the stationary observer. Strange as it seems I think we the stationary observers outside the cavity become the near C paradox twin relative to the hydrogen atoms experiencing modified space time of Casimir regions - my bet is that anomalous radioactive decay rates claims would be much higher if we could only measure the atoms exposed to these regions but lab equipment is averaging them all down as part of the larger gas population.[I also believe virtual particles grow into existence and then shrink back out due to a trajectory on this same perpendicular to 3D axis]. From it's own local perspective these gas atoms are just as fast as the near C hydrogen atoms being ejected from the suns corona... IMHO what we currently explain as catalytic action is actually an averaging out of small portions of mobile atomic populations being exposed to vigorous changes in Casimir geometry. Fran _ From: Jones Beene [mailto:jone...@pacbell.net] Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2014 10:20 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: EXTERNAL: [Vo]:A Relativistic catalyst for LENR Could the reason that the Rossi effect is not understood relate to an inadvertent catalyst? By inadvertent catalyst, the implication is that a hidden element is found in nickel, going back to the natural ore - at a low percentage which would not be mentioned. This addition is often called a dopant when it is added knowingly. The person who buys this alloy as a catalyst, may not appreciate why it is active, but may know that it comes only from one supplier - or from one mining location - so he always purchases from that source. This can be known as a Puritan alloy if it comes from one mine only. It should be noted that a few famous commercial alloys were first found in nature in only one place on earth. Monel alloy 400 today is an alloy of the same proportions of nickel and copper as is found naturally in the nickel ore from the Sudbury Ontario mine and was once only available from there. It is mentioned only as an example of how a low percentage element could find its way into an application, even without the purchaser's knowledge. Fran Roarty often brings up relativistic effects of hydrogen (as in the Naudts paper) being responsible for a particular fractional hydrogen state f/H which is non-Millsean, but often quoted by Mills supporters as if it was part of his theory. In fact, this form of f/H preceded Mills by decades and should not be labeled with the trademarked H-word. In addition to this highly energetic state of hydrogen, which essentially consists of a proton orbited by a relativistic electron, which can be much more massive due to its velocity, there is the possibility of a catalyst which will induce this state and even participate in the ongoing reaction, which can be non-nuclear but highly energetic (well above chemical). There are only a few choices for dopant elements of this type (relativistic catalysts) - and one which has come up wrt Rossi should be mentioned, especially as alloying agent or dopant for nickel. Mercury (Hg) is the main one. It has been avoided by many in LENR because of its toxicity. It is a dangerous element and should not be handled carelessly unless you want to become a mad-hatter, so to speak. It should be noted that Mercury is never used in commercial alloys for two simple reasons- it is costly, valuable and worth 100 times more than nickel alone - so it would be removed and resold ... and importantly, Hg promotes stress-cracking in Ni ! However, there is the possibility that Hg could turn up in a dedicated catalyst, inadvertently or in processing. The promotion of cracking would be reason enough to try Hg as a dopant with nickel, to the extent that one believed cracking was an important parameter - and it could be of even greater importance in a Casimir cavity as well. Mercury is one of a few metals or eutectics which remain a liquid down to fairly low temperature, and notable for Hg alone is the gas-phase. Mercury is a singularity in the periodic table in that it can exist as a monatomic gas, usually denoted as Hg(g). This lack of bonding
Re: [Vo]:A Relativistic catalyst for LENR
Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: By inadvertent catalyst, the implication is that a hidden element is found in nickel, going back to the natural ore - at a low percentage which would not be mentioned. This addition is often called a dopant when it is added knowingly. The person who buys this alloy as a catalyst, may not appreciate why it is active, but may know that it comes only from one supplier - or from one mining location - so he always purchases from that source. It could be something like that. McKubre often points out that the Pd sample that worked best was the most impure one, from Engelhard. It must have been something in the metal other than Pd that made it work so well. I guess it might have been the morphology, but it seems more likely it was the trace elements. Monel alloy 400 today is an alloy of the same proportions of nickel and copper as is found naturally in the nickel ore from the Sudbury Ontario mine and was once only available from there. Yup. Nowadays the mass spectrometers are so sensitive, they can find traces of this or that no matter how small, so the metallurgists can recreate the natural product. - Jed
RE: [Vo]:A Relativistic catalyst for LENR
If you thought I couldn't go any further out on a limb how about UFO accelerations and sudden changes in vector being related to a macro form of this same posit of inhibiting virtual particles at the nano scale via casimir geometry. A macro world version of vacuum suppression would fit well with the observations of UFO craft that suddenly seemed to accelerate away, change vector and disappear from radar screens or even eluding chase aircraft by what we may be visually misinterpreting as acceleration and vector changes. The technology would suppress virtual particles such that the entire object shrinks 90 degrees from our 3D appearing to get more distant but as the chase aircraft passes the window where the UFO initiated this type of displacement it interprets the parallax of the UFO suddenly zipping away as velocity when it is really no more than the trees zipping past your peripheral vision along a narrow highway -the 3D ant farm we live in relative to a craft with temporal navigation capability. Fran
Re: [Vo]:A Relativistic catalyst for LENR
Once again. Remarkable lack of negotiation protocol to - not keep things even. A conditional release should be a minimum after my agreement, which you will have tomorrow. Best Regards , Lennart Thornros www.StrategicLeadershipSac.com lenn...@thornros.com +1 916 436 1899 6140 Horseshoe Bar Road Suite G, Loomis CA 95650 “Productivity is never an accident. It is always the result of a commitment to excellence, intelligent planning, and focused effort.” PJM On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 3:34 PM, Roarty, Francis X francis.x.roa...@lmco.com wrote: If you thought I couldn’t go any further out on a limb how about UFO accelerations and sudden changes in vector being related to a macro form of this same posit of inhibiting virtual particles at the nano scale via casimir geometry. A macro world version of vacuum suppression would fit well with the observations of UFO craft that suddenly seemed to accelerate away, change vector and disappear from radar screens or even eluding chase aircraft by what we may be visually misinterpreting as acceleration and vector changes. The technology would suppress virtual particles such that the entire object shrinks 90 degrees from our 3D appearing to get more distant but as the chase aircraft passes the window where the UFO initiated this type of displacement it interprets the parallax of the UFO suddenly zipping away as velocity when it is really no more than the trees zipping past your peripheral vision along a narrow highway –the 3D ant farm we live in relative to a craft with temporal navigation capability. Fran
RE: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:A Relativistic catalyst for LENR
Sorry Len, I will endeavor to insert several sentences to act as acceleration dampers in future releases. Take 2 aspirin and you already called me yesterday – you are feeling fine tomorrow. Sorry but I am losing phase lock with your present temporal coordin…..t…….s… From: Lennart Thornros [mailto:lenn...@thornros.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2014 6:59 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:A Relativistic catalyst for LENR Once again. Remarkable lack of negotiation protocol to - not keep things even. A conditional release should be a minimum after my agreement, which you will have tomorrow. Best Regards , Lennart Thornros www.StrategicLeadershipSac.comhttp://www.StrategicLeadershipSac.com lenn...@thornros.commailto:lenn...@thornros.com +1 916 436 1899 6140 Horseshoe Bar Road Suite G, Loomis CA 95650 “Productivity is never an accident. It is always the result of a commitment to excellence, intelligent planning, and focused effort.” PJM On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 3:34 PM, Roarty, Francis X francis.x.roa...@lmco.commailto:francis.x.roa...@lmco.com wrote: If you thought I couldn’t go any further out on a limb how about UFO accelerations and sudden changes in vector being related to a macro form of this same posit of inhibiting virtual particles at the nano scale via casimir geometry. A macro world version of vacuum suppression would fit well with the observations of UFO craft that suddenly seemed to accelerate away, change vector and disappear from radar screens or even eluding chase aircraft by what we may be visually misinterpreting as acceleration and vector changes. The technology would suppress virtual particles such that the entire object shrinks 90 degrees from our 3D appearing to get more distant but as the chase aircraft passes the window where the UFO initiated this type of displacement it interprets the parallax of the UFO suddenly zipping away as velocity when it is really no more than the trees zipping past your peripheral vision along a narrow highway –the 3D ant farm we live in relative to a craft with temporal navigation capability. Fran
