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The oil drum has a component of their subscribership that wants to get back to nature by killing off most of humanity. They say “starve the beast”: the beast being humanity. Peak oil is their favorite route to that end. The reality of effective cold fusion is a tremendous disappointment to that crowd. On Fri, May 20, 2011 at 3:25 PM, Alan J Fletcher wrote: > http://www.theoildrum.com/node/7942 > > *The return of cold fusion? *Posted by Ugo Bardi on May 20, 2011 - 10:40am > ... > So, it would seem that cold fusion as a way of producing energy is > something made of the same stuff dreams are made of. That was my conclusion > after having worked on it and the reason of my initial reaction of total > disbelief when I first heard of the claims of having attained just that > dream by two Italian researchers, Andrea Rossi and Sergio Focardi. Yet, in > physics there are no absolutes: everything known can be disproved and, in > the end, it is the experimental reality that counts. So, I noted that Rossi > and Focardi, unlike Pons and Fleischmann, seem to be able to reproduce their > result according to several reports that appear reliable. Then, a friend and > colleague of mine went to visit Focardi. My friend is not an easily duped > person and he went there ready to debunk the hoax. He came back rather > perplexed, saying something like, “well, there may be something in this > story.” > ... > > - - - - > > theoildrum.com did some very good coverage of the BP Oil spill. I think > they're quite well regarded. >
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On 05/20/2011 04:25 PM, Alan J Fletcher wrote: http://www.theoildrum.com/node/7942 Following the links: http://www.angewandtebiologischeneuemedizin.com/en/index.php?title=Focardi-Rossi_Energy-Catalyzer
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>From Mauro: > Following the links: > http://www.angewandtebiologischeneuemedizin.com/en/index.php?title=Focardi- > Rossi_Energy-Catalyzer Mostly Skeptical However quite detailed. I'm impressed. Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
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Hi, On 21-5-2011 16:48, OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson wrote: From Mauro: Following the links: http://www.angewandtebiologischeneuemedizin.com/en/index.php?title=Focardi-Rossi_Energy-Catalyzer Mostly Skeptical However quite detailed. I'm impressed. Quote: "and was transformed into the stable copper isotope 62Cu29." Yes, very detailed indeed, but no quality check; it should read 63Cu29. Quote: "The copper thus generated is said to contain two stable copper isotopes, with an isotope proportion different from the one in natural copper." I.e. 63Cu29 and 65Cu29 (these are the only two stable copper isotopes); if this is true then my guess is that the isotope proportion is equal to that of the initial 62Ni28 and 64Ni28 proportion, which is most likely to be enriched. I was wondering if Rossi is using something like the "Isotopic Enrichment of Nickel in Aqueous Solution/Crown Ether System" ( http://db.wdc-jp.com/mssj/search/pdf/199704/ms450521.pdf ) Kind regards, MoB
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*Dear Jed Rothwell: * * I am not going to give more information about this issue. Just can say we have invented a process of ours to enrich Ni without relevant costs. To elaborate Ni powders along classic processes is the invention of the hot water. It is as invent and patent the sputtering in 2010… Warm regards, A.R.* I would like to draw attention to the word “sputtering” in Rossi’s response. During the processing of the nano-powder, I speculate that when Rossi implants the nickel nano-powder onto the walls of the stainless steel reaction vessel, the sputtering technique that he uses implants the powder particles enriched in heavy nickel isotopes in preference to the powder particles enriched with only light ones. This could be the result of the magnetic and/or electrostatic guiding technique Rossi is using that puts the powder particles where he wants them to go. It could be that Rossi only wastes 10% of the nano-powder in this “sputtering” process The process that Rossi uses to enrich the nano-powder would have to be non-destructive of that powder. We know he buys his powder from a vender of such things. He also gave samples of this powder to the Swedes as an initial sample to compare against an old ash sample. Rossi is not going to rework the nano-powder he is getting from his nano-powder vender. So it must be a particle selection process that somehow selects particles containing heavy isotopes in preference to light ones. As background, here is an explanation of what “sputtering” might mean in this context http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sputter_deposition On Sat, May 21, 2011 at 11:29 AM, Man on Bridges wrote: > Hi, > > > On 21-5-2011 16:48, OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson wrote: > > From Mauro: > > Following the > links:http://www.angewandtebiologischeneuemedizin.com/en/index.php?title=Focardi-Rossi_Energy-Catalyzer > > Mostly Skeptical > > However quite detailed. I'm impressed. > > > Quote: "and was transformed into the stable copper isotope 62Cu29." > > Yes, very detailed indeed, but no quality check; it should read 63Cu29. > > Quote: "The copper thus generated is said to contain two stable copper > isotopes, with an isotope proportion different from the one in natural > copper." > > I.e. 63Cu29 and 65Cu29 (these are the only two stable copper isotopes); if > this is true then my guess is that the isotope proportion is equal to that > of the initial 62Ni28 and 64Ni28 proportion, which is most likely to be > enriched. > I was wondering if Rossi is using something like the "Isotopic Enrichment > of Nickel in Aqueous Solution/Crown Ether System" ( > http://db.wdc-jp.com/mssj/search/pdf/199704/ms450521.pdf ) > > Kind regards, > > MoB > > >
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I've left that in my paper as a "reliable" link ... but it's not clear how to join/ get editor rights. (I saw several things that needed clarification/correction). The linked blog also has competent (but skeptical) analysis .. in German, of course. (Using which I can get to the train station, but that's about it). - Original Message - > From Mauro: > > > Following the links: > > > http://www.angewandtebiologischeneuemedizin.com/en/index.php?title=Focardi- > > Rossi_Energy-Catalyzer > > > Mostly Skeptical > > However quite detailed. I'm impressed. > Steven Vincent Johnson\
