Re: [Vo]:Virtual Particles are Gravitational Dipoles
On Nov 29, 2011, at 8:48 PM, Dr Josef Karthauser wrote: On 29 Nov 2011, at 22:49, Horace Heffner wrote: In 2007 I converted Jemimenko's theory into a full isomorphism between the laws of electromagnetism and the laws of gravimagnetism. Creating this isomorphism involves the use of the imaginary number i in gravimagnetic terms, and thus the potential addition of 3 dimensions to any theory of everything. For a quick synopsis see: http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/CosmicSearch.pdf Hey Horace, What role does the 'i' play in the geometry, or is this an entirely algebraic approach? Joe It is a practical approach. It makes many things work automatically. This was explained in detail on pages 7 and 8 of: http://mtaonline.net/~hheffner/FullGravimag.pdf Jefimenko developed a causal theory of gravity, based on retardation, but he had to manually determine the sign in each formula. This was due to he fact he made epsilon and mu negative in his gravitomagnetic theory. This he deemed necessary in order for the force directions to come out right in the Coulomb force analog equations, i.e. it denotes an attracting force for like charges, as opposed to the Coulomb force which is attracting for unlike charges. This required him to either place a special sign in various equations, or to reverse the order of cross products, as in the Poynting vector equation, S = (1/mu_g) K x g. Note that he reversed the K and g, analogs to E and B in electromagnetic theory. This has the effect of applying a negative sign to the formula. The use of the factor i in gravimagnetic terms eliminates the manual sign placing and permits a full isomorphism between the two sets of laws, an isomorphism the existence of which has been commonly sensed by physicists for over a century, but not to my knowledge ever fully developed or specified. The similarity of the two sets of laws is self evident, but there are differences with respect to signs and constants. I took a very simple step, but one which has far reaching implications which are testable. The link between QM and quantum gravity I see as primarily in the fact that h_g = -h, a relationship I derived in 2007 using the isomorphism on pages 14 and 15 of: http://mtaonline.net/~hheffner/FullGravimag.pdf Best regards, Horace Heffner http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/
Re: [Vo]:Virtual Particles are Gravitational Dipoles
I wrote: The use of the factor i in gravimagnetic terms eliminates the manual sign placing and permits a full isomorphism between the two sets of laws, an isomorphism the existence of which has been commonly sensed by physicists for over a century, but not to my knowledge ever fully developed or specified. That should say: The use of the factor i in gravimagnetic terms eliminates the manual sign placing and permits a full isomorphism between the two sets of laws, an isomorphism the existence of which has been commonly sensed by physicists for over a century, but not to my knowledge NEVER fully developed or specified. Best regards, Horace Heffner http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/
Re: [Vo]:Virtual Particles are Gravitational Dipoles
Gee wiz! I sed something sort of like this about three to six months ago in the Vort Collective. However, I'm sure what I said was stated much more crudely. I recall conjecturing that the aggregate mass existence of all those fleeting virtual particles could possibly in themselves contribute to the over-all dark matter gravity equation. I did NOT however elaborate on the di-pole, positive/negative aspect. (Not my area of expertise! ;-) ) I only conjectured that perhaps a LOT of unexplained mass might exist in the midst of all that naught quantum fluctuating going on behind our back. I wonder if I can find that old post of mine... Can I pick up my Nobel Prize now? Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
Re: [Vo]:Virtual Particles are Gravitational Dipoles
On Nov 29, 2011, at 11:44 AM, Terry Blanton wrote: I had always wondered about this: Four reasons why the quantum vacuum may explain dark matter November 28, 2011 by Lisa Zyga (PhysOrg.com) -- Earlier this year, PhysOrg reported on a new idea that suggested that gravitational charges in the quantum vacuum could provide an alternative to dark matter. The idea rests on the hypothesis that particles and antiparticles have gravitational charges of opposite sign. As a consequence, virtual particle-antiparticle pairs in the quantum vacuum form gravitational dipoles (having both a positive and negative gravitational charge) that can interact with baryonic matter to produce phenomena usually attributed to dark matter. Although CERN physicist Dragan Slavkov Hajdukovic, who proposed the idea, mathematically demonstrated that these gravitational dipoles could explain the observed rotational curves of galaxies without dark matter in his initial study, he noted that much more work needed to be done. http://www.physorg.com/news/2011-11-quantum-vacuum-dark.html more Hajdukovic wrote in his paper: It is difficult to believe that quantum vacuum does not interact gravitationally with the baryonic matter immersed in it. In spite of it, the quantum vacuum is ignored in astrophysics and cosmology; not because we are not aware of its importance but because no one has any idea what the gravitational properties of the quantum vacuum are. In absence of any knowledge, as a starting point, we have conjectured that particles and antiparticles have the gravitational charge of opposite sign. What hubris. He is apparently unfamiliar with Jefimenko. The gravitational properties of the vacuum are described by the values epsilon_g = 1/(4 Pi G), and mu_g = 4 Pi G/(C_g)^2, where c_g is the speed of gravity waves, and epsilon_g and mu_g correspond to their electromagnetic analogs. In 2007 I converted Jemimenko's theory into a full isomorphism between the laws of electromagnetism and the laws of gravimagnetism. Creating this isomorphism involves the use of the imaginary number i in gravimagnetic terms, and thus the potential addition of 3 dimensions to any theory of everything. For a quick synopsis see: http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/CosmicSearch.pdf especially Table 2 and related discussion. The gravitational properties of the vacuum are defined. The simplistic model of positrons having negative gravitational charge leaves some potential gaping holes with regards to symmetry in nature, relating to mirror matter in particular. See: http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/GravityPairs.pdf The main thing Hajdukovic misses with regards to the applicability of the MOND equation to galactic mechanics, is that black holes necessarily manufacture negative gravitational charge matter, spewing it into space at cosmic ray velocities, creating approximately spherical halos around galaxies. In the process balck holes increase in mass correspondingly. Space is filled with negative gravitational mass as well as invisible (mirror matter) positive gravitational mass. The negative charge gravitational mass makes the universe expand. This is not dipolar mass which provide vacuum properties, but rater fully separated gravitational charge mass produced from black holes. For a description as to why the MOND theory (coincidentally and fundamentally erroneously) fits galactic rotational motion, see p. 24 ff of: http://mtaonline.net/~hheffner/FullGravimag.pdf That is my take on all this, anyway, a renegade view. A quantum view of gravity is necessarily at odds with GR and thus immediately rejected as wrong. There will not be any serious effort to consider that GR is wrong until it becomes obvious that gravity waves in the form predicted by GR do not exist. The alternative, the existence of gravitons and thus also graviphotons is far more exciting due to the stunning astronomical and practical applications (see CosmicSearch.pdf for some of those.) Best regards, Horace Heffner http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/
RE: [Vo]:Virtual Particles are Gravitational Dipoles
-Original Message- From: Horace Heffner NICE, Horace - thanks for explaining this once again in the context of an incorrect view (Hajdukovic). I finally understand where you are coming from. This is the best stuff to appear on Vortex in months and makes me glad I did not sign off when the incessant rehash-of-the-rehash started. Jones Hajdukovic wrote in his paper: It is difficult to believe that quantum vacuum does not interact gravitationally with the baryonic matter immersed in it. In spite of it, the quantum vacuum is ignored in astrophysics and cosmology; not because we are not aware of its importance but because no one has any idea what the gravitational properties of the quantum vacuum are. In absence of any knowledge, as a starting point, we have conjectured that particles and antiparticles have the gravitational charge of opposite sign. What hubris. He is apparently unfamiliar with Jefimenko. The gravitational properties of the vacuum are described by the values epsilon_g = 1/(4 Pi G), and mu_g = 4 Pi G/(C_g)^2, where c_g is the speed of gravity waves, and epsilon_g and mu_g correspond to their electromagnetic analogs. In 2007 I converted Jemimenko's theory into a full isomorphism between the laws of electromagnetism and the laws of gravimagnetism. Creating this isomorphism involves the use of the imaginary number i in gravimagnetic terms, and thus the potential addition of 3 dimensions to any theory of everything. For a quick synopsis see: http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/CosmicSearch.pdf especially Table 2 and related discussion. The gravitational properties of the vacuum are defined. The simplistic model of positrons having negative gravitational charge leaves some potential gaping holes with regards to symmetry in nature, relating to mirror matter in particular. See: http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/GravityPairs.pdf The main thing Hajdukovic misses with regards to the applicability of the MOND equation to galactic mechanics, is that black holes necessarily manufacture negative gravitational charge matter, spewing it into space at cosmic ray velocities, creating approximately spherical halos around galaxies. In the process black holes increase in mass correspondingly. Space is filled with negative gravitational mass as well as invisible (mirror matter) positive gravitational mass. The negative charge gravitational mass makes the universe expand. This is not dipolar mass which provide vacuum properties, but rater fully separated gravitational charge mass produced from black holes. For a description as to why the MOND theory (coincidentally and fundamentally erroneously) fits galactic rotational motion, see p. 24 ff of: http://mtaonline.net/~hheffner/FullGravimag.pdf That is my take on all this, anyway, a renegade view. A quantum view of gravity is necessarily at odds with GR and thus immediately rejected as wrong. There will not be any serious effort to consider that GR is wrong until it becomes obvious that gravity waves in the form predicted by GR do not exist. The alternative, the existence of gravitons and thus also graviphotons is far more exciting due to the stunning astronomical and practical applications (see CosmicSearch.pdf for some of those.) Best regards, Horace Heffner http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/
Re: [Vo]:Virtual Particles are Gravitational Dipoles
On Nov 29, 2011, at 3:27 PM, Jones Beene wrote: -Original Message- From: Horace Heffner NICE, Horace - thanks for explaining this once again in the context of an incorrect view (Hajdukovic). I finally understand where you are coming from. This is the best stuff to appear on Vortex in months and makes me glad I did not sign off when the incessant rehash-of-the-rehash started. Jones Thanks, Jones. I've missed your sometimes wildly speculative but always fascinating and informative essays on many subjects. I'm hoping the Rossi circus will come to a definitive end soon, one way or another. Maybe then the URL and citation free innumerate arm waving noise level will be reduced. I have thousands of unread vortex messages from the past year I did not have time to read. I've undoubtedly missed some wheat in discarding the chaff. Best regards, Horace Heffner http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/
Re: [Vo]:Virtual Particles are Gravitational Dipoles
On 29 Nov 2011, at 22:49, Horace Heffner wrote: In 2007 I converted Jemimenko's theory into a full isomorphism between the laws of electromagnetism and the laws of gravimagnetism. Creating this isomorphism involves the use of the imaginary number i in gravimagnetic terms, and thus the potential addition of 3 dimensions to any theory of everything. For a quick synopsis see: http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/CosmicSearch.pdf Hey Horace, What role does the 'i' play in the geometry, or is this an entirely algebraic approach? Joe
