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That means you are suppose to bless those muslims who hate you. Harry Yes. Before, during, and after 9-11 America had troops in Kosovo protecting Muslims from Serbian attack. My son was one of those troops. Jeff
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Just taking a shot of their front page today: http://www.capmag.com/index.asp?page=2 This is the Objectivists (extreme rightwing) rag mag. The Black reporter kicks in the Black guys they don't like The Jewish reporter kick in the Jewish guys they don't like You see it's alright then. -Original Message- From: Jeff Fink [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 04 November 2008 11:30 To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: RE: RE: RE: RE: [Vo]:Colin Powell and Kareem Rashad Sultan Khan That means you are suppose to bless those muslims who hate you. Harry Yes. Before, during, and after 9-11 America had troops in Kosovo protecting Muslims from Serbian attack. My son was one of those troops. Jeff
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Pope urged to admit common ground By Robert Pigott Religious Affairs Correspondent When 138 senior Muslim scholars and clergy tried to establish the common ground between Islam and Christianity last year, they said the very peace of the world hung on the outcome. On Tuesday, a high-ranking delegation is beginning a rare visit to Rome in an effort to persuade the Pope to endorse what they say are the shared origins and values of the world's two biggest religions. Their letter, A Common Word, cited passages from the Koran which the scholars said showed that Christianity and Islam worship the same God, and require their respective followers to show each other particular friendship... http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/7706977.stm
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The whole cynicism of the right, the talk about Barney Franks, Senator Chris Dodds, Clinton, the Communities Reinvestment Act, even far back as Kennedy and FDR is just a smoke screen... The idea that it is false love and just cynical left-wingers buying votes is laughable. When you have a country taken by force by one race of people, who then systematically ethnically cleanse it of its original inhabitants, ship in a whole group of people to use like cattle, when they find that the original inhabitants died out from the strains of disease they brought to this new 'discovered' land, systematically segregate and disadvantage those who are not its race and then have the gall to say that these people are lazy and a burden when the system just isn't inclusive or nurturing of their talents, it is a small measure when some wealth gets redistributed to let them have a piece of the pie and own their own properties. The collapse seems to have been deliberately engineered by the people (the speculators, those in the market) who didn't want it to work, didn't want a more fair society and wanted to keep the old order. They are doing well from all the welfare we the tax payer now pay them. Deep down it is driven by the old Anglo Saxon desire for dominion but the world is a different place, the 'wogs' have knowledge now, China, India, Brazil the power of the Muslim nations. The European dominion is but a blip in recent history and you find the world is going back to equilibrium. All races are equal, all have something to offer. Putting in a man from the ethnic minorities sends out a powerful message from the US: please forgive us before we all go mad. -Original Message- From: Remi Cornwall [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 04 November 2008 11:43 To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: RE: RE: RE: RE: [Vo]:Colin Powell and Kareem Rashad Sultan Khan Just taking a shot of their front page today: http://www.capmag.com/index.asp?page=2 This is the Objectivists (extreme rightwing) rag mag. The Black reporter kicks in the Black guys they don't like The Jewish reporter kick in the Jewish guys they don't like You see it's alright then. -Original Message- From: Jeff Fink [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 04 November 2008 11:30 To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: RE: RE: RE: RE: [Vo]:Colin Powell and Kareem Rashad Sultan Khan That means you are suppose to bless those muslims who hate you. Harry Yes. Before, during, and after 9-11 America had troops in Kosovo protecting Muslims from Serbian attack. My son was one of those troops. Jeff
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From: Jeff Fink If good Muslims kill all non-muslims why have Jews been living in their cities for over a millennium? Because most Muslims are not living their religion by the book! Only what we refer to as the extremists behave that way. Most Muslims show much more kindness than that. Jeff This recent comment is so incredibly revealing, and yet I fear so much of it has been utterly lost, thrown to the floor as discarded waste in lieu of recent passionate arguments. I suspect many atheists live for the day when they see this argument articulated, as it confirms one of their most cherished beliefs, one that seems to confirm a suspicion that the continued propagation of religion itself is one of the major causes of so much suffering in our world. Well, I must admit they DO seem to have a point, those dang atheists! I have even found at times that I wished I was an atheist. But alas, I guess such a noble destiny is not in the cards for me. And what's the point that has been discarded, thrown to the floor like scraps of rotting meat and gristle? Which Muslims are we talking about? ...the Muslims living by the book or the ones -not- living by the book? While we're at it, which Christians are we talking about as well? ...the Christians living by the book or the ones -not- living by the book? or Jews, or Jews for Jesus, or Lutherans, Catholics, Confucians, ... even atheists. It always seems to come down to: My book is better than YOUR book, fill in your favorite title and prose. In every single case that I've witnessed, it's individual PEOPLE, their personal interpretations -of the book- making the decisions concerning what is ultimate truth that have caused so much pain and suffering in this world. Don't blame g*d. While we're at it, don't blame thy enemy's g*d either. Barking up the wrong trees of knowledge. Try looking a little closer to Home for truths. Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
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One can quote religious texts for any agenda. There are passagees in the New Testament attributed to Jesus which are divisive as well. The question is who wrote them, and why? With militant Islam, you see it filtered through a honor-based desert culture. The largest Islamic culture is in Indonesia, which is not militant. All organized religions have bloody histories. Yet the Golden Rule is found everywhere, in all cultures. Mike Carrell - Original Message - From: Jeff Fink [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 4:36 PM Subject: RE: RE: RE: [Vo]:Colin Powell and Kareem Rashad Sultan Khan You are perhaps mixing the Old Testament with the New. The Old Testament is primarily about the history of the Jewish people, and it is quite bloody and brutal. The New Testament is about the life and teachings of Jesus Christ, and His teachings supersede the laws of the Old Testament. I suspect that nobody is looking anything up. So, here are a few quotes to make it easy: (New King James version) Jesus: You have heard it said, You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy. But, I say to you, love your enemies, bless those who curse you, do good to those who hate you, and pray for those who spitefully use you and persecute you, that you may be sons of your father in heaven... Matthew 5:43 Jesus: You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind. This is the first and great commandment, and the second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as your self. On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets. These commands are not easy to do. Down thru the ages there have been people falsely calling themselves Christians who have never gotten anywhere near these commandments, and they have given Christianity a bad name among many. But I can assure you that a radically saved born again Christian is a really great person to have for a neighbor unless you fear being killed with kindness. You may wonder how good of a Christian I am? Well, I am not as good as I need to be, but I am trying. Bible prophesy, which has a habit of coming true, indicates that at the end of the age there will be a one world religion that will punish Christian believers, who refuse to deny Jesus, with execution by beheading. Read: Revelation 20: 4 I ask, Is there any major religion on the fast track to world domination that hates the concept of Jesus as God, and that punishes infidels with beheading? It would seem to benefit most of us to postpone the arrival of that religious system as long as possible. Jeff -Original Message- From: Harry Veeder [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 12:09 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: RE: RE: [Vo]:Colin Powell and Kareem Rashad Sultan Khan The same argument applies to Christains with respect to certain passages in their bible. Harry - Original Message - From: Jeff Fink [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sunday, November 2, 2008 10:20 pm Subject: RE: RE: [Vo]:Colin Powell and Kareem Rashad Sultan Khan If good Muslims kill all non-muslims why have Jews been living in their cities for over a millennium? Because most Muslims are not living their religion by the book! Only what we refer to as the extremists behave that way. Most Muslims show much more kindness than that. Jeff -Original Message- From: Harry Veeder [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2008 9:47 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: RE: [Vo]:Colin Powell and Kareem Rashad Sultan Khan If good Muslims kill all non-muslims why have Jews been living in their cities for over a millennium? Harry - Original Message - From: Jeff Fink [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sunday, November 2, 2008 9:33 pm Subject: RE: [Vo]:Colin Powell and Kareem Rashad Sultan Khan Good Christians, living their faith by the book, love their enemies. Good Muslims, living their faith by the book, kill their enemies which includeall non Muslims. Don't take my word for it. Look it up. The people on this list are technically brilliant, but in some other important areas, the ignorance is astounding. Jeff This Email has been scanned for all viruses by Medford Leas I.T. Department.
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Jeff Fink Said: ... You may wonder how good of a Christian I am? Well, I am not as good as I need to be, but I am trying. I often wonder how good a human being I am to myself and to others as well. I know I could use improvement, and I am trying. Bible prophesy, which has a habit of coming true, indicates that at the end of the age there will be a one world religion that will punish Christian believers, who refuse to deny Jesus, with execution by beheading. Read: Revelation 20: 4 I ask, Is there any major religion on the fast track to world domination that hates the concept of Jesus as God, and that punishes infidels with beheading? It would seem to benefit most of us to postpone the arrival of that religious system as long as possible. Jeff Collectively speaking when too many people at any period of history tend to take the Bible, the Torah, the Koran, or any religious book literally we will indeed experience the end of the world. If such a horrible prophesy were to manifest I suspect it wouldn't be because g*d finally came back and kicked everybody's ass out of the pool for peeing in it. The prophesy would come about because everyone will be shooting at their neighbors across geopolitical and religious boundaries, all in the name of their g*d, the one and only true g*d. At times like this I sometimes wish I could be an atheist. But alas, I don't suspect a godless world would be any more of a solution to the world's woes. From what I can tell stupidity, ignorance, hatred, and bigotry know no geopolitical and/or philosophical boundaries. If there were no religion in the world I suspect all the idiots, bigots, and the ignorant would find some other all-mighty philosophy to hang their hang-ups on. I continue to hope that the Golden Rule for which Mike Carrell refreshingly brought back to our attention will eventually prevail. It is one of the most universally prevalent and respected laws known on our planet. Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
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Oh I see is that's what their up to now... Oh they're going to say Obama is the anti-Christ. I remember this with Bill Clinton and Gorbachev and anyone smart enough to stand up to them. I've heard all kinds of bullshit, that the Annunarki are due in 2012 (some planet they live on is meant to come back to the solar system), that the London 2012 Olympic symbol secretly says Zion and that's why they were so loathed to change it - the power of that lobby. Ignorance and bigotry is a really powerful force. We must quell the urge to crush bugs and regard outsiders as suspicious. Superstition and this basic reflex seem to be some deed evolutionary mechanism and when you see it for what it is... well nothing to fear but the fear itself. -Original Message- From: OrionWorks [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 03 November 2008 22:46 To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: RE: RE: [Vo]:Colin Powell and Kareem Rashad Sultan Khan Jeff Fink Said: ... You may wonder how good of a Christian I am? Well, I am not as good as I need to be, but I am trying. I often wonder how good a human being I am to myself and to others as well. I know I could use improvement, and I am trying. Bible prophesy, which has a habit of coming true, indicates that at the end of the age there will be a one world religion that will punish Christian believers, who refuse to deny Jesus, with execution by beheading. Read: Revelation 20: 4 I ask, Is there any major religion on the fast track to world domination that hates the concept of Jesus as God, and that punishes infidels with beheading? It would seem to benefit most of us to postpone the arrival of that religious system as long as possible. Jeff Collectively speaking when too many people at any period of history tend to take the Bible, the Torah, the Koran, or any religious book literally we will indeed experience the end of the world. If such a horrible prophesy were to manifest I suspect it wouldn't be because g*d finally came back and kicked everybody's ass out of the pool for peeing in it. The prophesy would come about because everyone will be shooting at their neighbors across geopolitical and religious boundaries, all in the name of their g*d, the one and only true g*d. At times like this I sometimes wish I could be an atheist. But alas, I don't suspect a godless world would be any more of a solution to the world's woes. From what I can tell stupidity, ignorance, hatred, and bigotry know no geopolitical and/or philosophical boundaries. If there were no religion in the world I suspect all the idiots, bigots, and the ignorant would find some other all-mighty philosophy to hang their hang-ups on. I continue to hope that the Golden Rule for which Mike Carrell refreshingly brought back to our attention will eventually prevail. It is one of the most universally prevalent and respected laws known on our planet. Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
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-Original Message- From: Mike Carrell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 5:36 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: RE: RE: [Vo]:Colin Powell and Kareem Rashad Sultan Khan With militant Islam, you see it filtered through a honor-based desert culture. The largest Islamic culture is in Indonesia, which is not militant. Mike Carrell Indonesia is becoming a very dangerous place for Christians. I have missionary acquaintances who have done jail time there for talking about Jesus. I won't say if they are Americans or Indonesians since I don't want to put any of them in further danger. Jeff
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- Original Message - From: Jeff Fink [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Monday, November 3, 2008 4:36 pm Subject: RE: RE: RE: [Vo]:Colin Powell and Kareem Rashad Sultan Khan You are perhaps mixing the Old Testament with the New. The Old Testament is primarily about the history of the Jewish people, and it is quite bloody and brutal. The New Testament is about the life andteachings of Jesus Christ, and His teachings supersede the laws of the Old Testament. I suspect that nobody is looking anything up. So, here are a few quotes to make it easy: (New King James version) Jesus: You have heard it said, You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy. But, I say to you, love your enemies, bless those who curse you, do good to those who hate you, and pray for those who spitefully use you and persecute you, that you may be sons of your father in heaven... Matthew 5:43 That means you are suppose to bless those muslims who hate you. Harry
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- Original Message - From: Jeff Fink [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 6:25 PM Subject: RE: RE: RE: [Vo]:Colin Powell and Kareem Rashad Sultan Khan snip Indonesia is becoming a very dangerous place for Christians. I have missionary acquaintances who have done jail time there for talking about Jesus. I won't say if they are Americans or Indonesians since I don't want to put any of them in further danger. OK, Jeff, but there was a time in Catholic-dominated Europe when it was dangerous to be a Jew. In the '30s anti-semitism was preached from pulpits in Poland and the Vatican said prayers for the perfidious Jews. It took decades before Pope John Paul offered formal aplology. Islam was once the resivoir of learning during the Dark Ages in Europe, as was Celtic Ireland. And it was a fleet of ships from China that ignited the Renaissance in Europe in 1434. History is much more complex that what is taught in schools. Mike Carrell Jeff This Email has been scanned for all viruses by Medford Leas I.T. Department.
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The same argument applies to Christains with respect to certain passages in their bible. Harry - Original Message - From: Jeff Fink [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sunday, November 2, 2008 10:20 pm Subject: RE: RE: [Vo]:Colin Powell and Kareem Rashad Sultan Khan If good Muslims kill all non-muslims why have Jews been living in their cities for over a millennium? Because most Muslims are not living their religion by the book! Only what we refer to as the extremists behave that way. Most Muslims show much more kindness than that. Jeff -Original Message- From: Harry Veeder [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2008 9:47 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: RE: [Vo]:Colin Powell and Kareem Rashad Sultan Khan If good Muslims kill all non-muslims why have Jews been living in their cities for over a millennium? Harry - Original Message - From: Jeff Fink [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sunday, November 2, 2008 9:33 pm Subject: RE: [Vo]:Colin Powell and Kareem Rashad Sultan Khan Good Christians, living their faith by the book, love their enemies. Good Muslims, living their faith by the book, kill their enemies which includeall non Muslims. Don't take my word for it. Look it up. The people on this list are technically brilliant, but in some other important areas, the ignorance is astounding. Jeff
