[vox-tech] help
My hard drive has been partitioned at the Installfest, and it now has Window XP and Fedora Core 1. My issues are, 1) From the Linux OS, I cannot excess the internet. 2) so, I cannot use PINE I need PINE to send my files electronically to my email account, so I can do work at school and home (because I don't have a printer). 3) My 'touch pad' doesn't work under Linux. To solve issue #2, I decided to buy an external A drive, but I don't think it will work on Linux in the current situation. I would appreciate any help. Thanks. ___ vox-tech mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
Re: [vox-tech] FSTAB Questions
On Tue, 17 Feb 2004, ME wrote: Hmmm. Your use of the word limit in quotes comes dangerously close to being condescending, but I'll assume that's not how it was meant. It was not at all an attack. It is meant to highlight a theme in the response-- that of choice vs. limits. It was not a comment on you or your question. It was an emphasis to my content. This was only to point out that sarcasm (or any form of levity) can often be misread. I'm more guilty of this here, so I'll apologize too. This was not meant to insight, but just to defend my right to ask a question. Reading your comments below, it looks like no 'defense' was necessary. So thanks, and sorry. I thought an example was obvious and omitted at least one example for this, but here is at least one: The person who owns the laptop may want to also use windows too, another? it is not their own personal laptop, but provided by their work, and they are required to use Windows-only apps in the field. I struggle with this at work (which is very much a Windows world). I solve this problems with rdesktop (love that program) and a powerbook that runs the Mac remote desktop client, but again, not everybody's solution. I did not make the assumption the machine was a single-user machine. Since such archives are available for peer review, I'd rather have an answer that may provide someone (and others) with advice that could be used in the general case rather than a specific implied case based on the content of the thread. The solution I provided is a very good one for servers and for single user systems. The directions for making it work for both are the same.It is a very useful system. Nobody else pointed it out in the thread so I added it. It is archived for people to find with google. It has many advantages-- including teaching single user system admins a method they can apply if they should ever decide to grow into a server with multiple users. good point. the archive does become a working searchable helpdesk (or whatever), so answering the question from more than one angle can't hurt. i maintain that yours was the best (in my opinion) way to do the fstab mount. DOS is sufficient. Windows 9X is sufficient. You only asked for examples. Whether the users's preference is Windows or DOS does not matter, A reason is still provided-- Several reasons actually. Some people may prefer to have the windows interface instead of DOS. All it takes is at least one person who does this to choose windows instead of dos for their solution to be an example of a case where someone would want to dual boot windows and linux on the same multi-user system. i suppose i'm too eagerly defending 'the way i would do it'. linux gives us the freedom of no single or correct way to day anything. i'll qualify the whole thing. FOR ME, dual booting a multi-user system still doesn't make much sense... but, that statement doesn't help anybody solve their problem, though, so it's almost useless to say. You can only grow out of it to the point where your vendors of hardware permit it. If the hardware vendor you use does not provide a Linux path for resolving the examples listed above, then there is little opportunity to outgrow it- unless you have the time and resources to reverse engineer the missing tools and build them. For future hardware purchases, the consumer can take the time to buy hardware which is better supported, but the existing older hardware still exists and may be used. we're all hoping this is increasingly less of a problem, but yes, it is a problem. does not encourage me to answer questions you have. I do not want to have my text viewed as an attack or harmful. It is possible that you will view this reply as harmful, and this is also not an intention. :-/ not at all. i read the above 'think about it' as 'i don't need to bother answering that'. i took that as a blow off (which i obviously shouldn't have - you've given plenty of answers to my original question). on the other hand, i was trying to say 'if there are so many good reasons, let's see them', but re-reading that, it doesn't convey that. so again, sorry. this is one of those situations where if we were having this conversation in person, things might have gotten enthusiastic, or maybe even 'heated', but never 'nasty'. Where is the reward for taking the time to provide an answer to a question when you feel your words are being read in such a way to sound offensive? Look at the archive of messages written here by me. Have I been abusive? Do my replies look negative or suggestive? People wonder why my responses are often long; it is because people tend to read things into the text. There comes a point, where choosing not to answer a question is more rearding than the pleasure gained in helping fellow Linux users. If you don't like what I write, or I offend you, let me know-- preferrably in private so that I can appologise in public and in
Re: [vox-tech] help
(Note: This was in vox-tech's queue, since Jungmee didn't seem to be subscribed to the list when posting this; still might not be. So I'm Cc'ing) On Tue, Feb 17, 2004 at 08:29:16PM -0800, Jungmee Kim wrote: My hard drive has been partitioned at the Installfest, and it now has Window XP and Fedora Core 1. My issues are, 1) From the Linux OS, I cannot excess the internet. I wasn't at the IF, so I don't know the details of your setup. Are you trying to access via dialup (modem) or DSL? Directly on DSL, or on a LAN (e.g., DSL modem - Router - multiple computers) 2) so, I cannot use PINE I need PINE to send my files electronically to my email account, so I can do work at school and home (because I don't have a printer). Can we assume Pine /works/? It just can't send messages onto the Internet because of problem #1? Or is there anything else wrong with it? ;^) 3) My 'touch pad' doesn't work under Linux. Is this a touchpad, like the 'mouse' interface on some laptops? Or more like a tablet that you use a stylus on (e.g., a Wacom pad?) I'd be surprised if it's your mouse, as that would be a pretty hard thing to miss at an IF, unless time was running out and you had to pack up with whatever was done, without testing. :^) Or, I guess maybe you could have had an external mouse (or maybe you have a laptop that has BOTH a little nubby mouse control thing, AND a touchpad... I've seen those recelt.y) To solve issue #2, I decided to buy an external A drive, but I don't think it will work on Linux in the current situation. Ah, yes, sounding more like a laptop. :^) I'm not sure how external laptop drives are handled (under Linux _or_ Windows). :^( Is it possible to get your files onto your Windows paritition, and then use Windows to upload them once they're there? (Unfortunately, I don't think Windows can read Linux partitions... however, Linux can read and write Windows parititions, although I've heard lots of dire warnings about writing to NTFS, which I guess might be used on WinNT, Win2K and WinXP..right?) That could be an interim solution, until you can get network and/or the external floppy drive working. Good luck! -bill! ___ vox-tech mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
Re: [vox-tech] FSTAB Questions
On Wed, Feb 18, 2004 at 01:31:54AM -0800, Dave Margolis wrote: good point. the archive does become a working searchable helpdesk (or whatever), so answering the question from more than one angle can't hurt. Heh... At least twice I have typed in a question (or error report or somesuch) into Google and one of the first results I hit is a VOX post. In at least one case, it was MY OWN POST from a few years back. :^) I obviously have far less memory than our list archives + Google (who I heard just added another BILLION pages to its index, if I correctly remember the newsbit I heard on the radio today) -bill! (holding pinky to mouth: 4 _BILLION_ web pages! MUAHAHAHAHAH!) ___ vox-tech mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
Re: [vox-tech] help
On Wednesday 18 February 2004 01:35, Bill Kendrick wrote: My issues are, 1) From the Linux OS, I cannot excess the internet. I wasn't at the IF, so I don't know the details of your setup. Are you trying to access via dialup (modem) or DSL? Directly on DSL, or on a LAN (e.g., DSL modem - Router - multiple computers) Seth worked very hard trying to get her modem to work at the IF. I *think* the problem was that Seth couldn't get a driver to work. I *think* this is about a three week old Dell Inspiron with no Linux drivers available. But Seth is the man to see about this problem. Bob ___ vox-tech mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
Re: [vox-tech] sound, kde, xmms, arts
On Wednesday 18 February 2004 00:54, Bill Kendrick wrote: On Tue, Feb 17, 2004 at 04:29:46PM -0800, Jonathan Stickel wrote: I asked around and the solution was to run esd ON TOP of artsd, and then have XMMS talk to esd. I'm not totally following this discussion, but I really enjoy XMMS. Are you guys posting these problems to the XMMS web site? Bob ___ vox-tech mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
Re: [vox-tech] sound, kde, xmms, arts
Bill Kendrick wrote: On Tue, Feb 17, 2004 at 04:29:46PM -0800, Jonathan Stickel wrote: With my recent upgrade to KDE 3.2 (and arts 1.2), arts is broken in xmms (ver. 1.2.8): xmms locks up when I hit play and I have to kill it. I can still use xmms with ALSA and OSS, but only if I completely kill arts. I was not able to find a way to fix xmms+arts. I had to do this for my dad. I decided to let artsd run, and then discovered that XMMS would hang, as you discovered. I asked around and the solution was to run esd ON TOP of artsd, and then have XMMS talk to esd. Crazy... and latency is probably horrible... but then again, it's just XMMS, it's not like a game (where sound effect latency would become quite irritating and unsettling). :^) I think the trick was to run: artsdsp esd You'll hear the little rising tones from ESD starting up, hopefully. Then XMMS should work, if you tell it to pipe thru ESD. OK, this didn't work exactly for me. Instead, I'm now running artsd ON TOP of esd. This is actually a choice in KDE's control center, but I never tried it because it seemed a foolish way to run things. But it works! Both GAIM and xmms have esd as an option, and now they play nice. Thanks all for the suggestions! Jonathan ___ vox-tech mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
Re: [vox-tech] help
The mouse issue can be one of several problems. We can solve the mouse issue at the next IF. I'll be attending, and I'll even help Jungmee in Korean... =P PINE probably wasn't installed at the IF because the Washington State University license doesn't allow binary distribution of PINE. If someone brings the sources or an RPM we can install it at the next IF. I'm not even gonna touch on the modem issue. If Jungmee wants a good Linux modem support, I suggest getting a PCMCIA modem. I got one with my laptop that works excellently, and I hope they still sell some solid ones in the market. If Jungmee needs these things before the next IF, we can try to guide him/her through some things, but first s/he should get a PCMCIA modem, so the laptop can get some Internet access and download PINE. Seth - What's up with the mouse? Seems like a simple enough problem to fix, but you could probably tackle this faster since you were at the IF. -Mark On Wed, 18 Feb 2004, Bill Kendrick wrote: (Note: This was in vox-tech's queue, since Jungmee didn't seem to be subscribed to the list when posting this; still might not be. So I'm Cc'ing) On Tue, Feb 17, 2004 at 08:29:16PM -0800, Jungmee Kim wrote: My hard drive has been partitioned at the Installfest, and it now has Window XP and Fedora Core 1. My issues are, 1) From the Linux OS, I cannot excess the internet. I wasn't at the IF, so I don't know the details of your setup. Are you trying to access via dialup (modem) or DSL? Directly on DSL, or on a LAN (e.g., DSL modem - Router - multiple computers) 2) so, I cannot use PINE I need PINE to send my files electronically to my email account, so I can do work at school and home (because I don't have a printer). Can we assume Pine /works/? It just can't send messages onto the Internet because of problem #1? Or is there anything else wrong with it? ;^) 3) My 'touch pad' doesn't work under Linux. Is this a touchpad, like the 'mouse' interface on some laptops? Or more like a tablet that you use a stylus on (e.g., a Wacom pad?) I'd be surprised if it's your mouse, as that would be a pretty hard thing to miss at an IF, unless time was running out and you had to pack up with whatever was done, without testing. :^) Or, I guess maybe you could have had an external mouse (or maybe you have a laptop that has BOTH a little nubby mouse control thing, AND a touchpad... I've seen those recelt.y) To solve issue #2, I decided to buy an external A drive, but I don't think it will work on Linux in the current situation. Ah, yes, sounding more like a laptop. :^) I'm not sure how external laptop drives are handled (under Linux _or_ Windows). :^( Is it possible to get your files onto your Windows paritition, and then use Windows to upload them once they're there? (Unfortunately, I don't think Windows can read Linux partitions... however, Linux can read and write Windows parititions, although I've heard lots of dire warnings about writing to NTFS, which I guess might be used on WinNT, Win2K and WinXP..right?) That could be an interim solution, until you can get network and/or the external floppy drive working. Good luck! -bill! -- Mark K. Kim AIM: markus kimius Homepage: http://www.cbreak.org/ Xanga: http://www.xanga.com/vindaci Friendster: http://www.friendster.com/user.jsp?id=13046 PGP key fingerprint: 7324 BACA 53AD E504 A76E 5167 6822 94F0 F298 5DCE PGP key available on the homepage ___ vox-tech mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
Re: [vox-tech] help
Quoting Mark K. Kim ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): PINE probably wasn't installed at the IF because the Washington State University license doesn't allow binary distribution of PINE. If someone brings the sources or an RPM we can install it at the next IF. Pine was indeed dropped from Red Hat as of Fedora Core 1. I'm not even gonna touch on the modem issue. If Jungmee wants a good Linux modem support, I suggest getting a PCMCIA modem. I got one with my laptop that works excellently, and I hope they still sell some solid ones in the market. Jungmee hasn't actually clarified yet whether it's a modem issue or an ethernet one, nor the nature of the problem beyond can't access the Internet. But yes: Every time I need reliable connectivity from a laptop, I just get a surplus PCMCIA modem or network card (or combo). Any old 3Com is perfect. Seth - What's up with the mouse? Seems like a simple enough problem to fix, but you could probably tackle this faster since you were at the IF. In case it helps, touchpads are almost always straight, two-button PS/2 devices, in my experience (as to both interface and protocol). Again, Jungmee wasn't really a pargon of clarity about the symptom details (touchpad doesn't work under Linux). -- Cheers,There are only 10 types of people in this world -- Rick Moen those who understand binary arithmetic and those who don't. [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ vox-tech mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
Re: [vox-tech] sound, kde, xmms, arts
On Wed, Feb 18, 2004 at 08:40:46AM -0800, Robert G. Scofield wrote: I'm not totally following this discussion, but I really enjoy XMMS. Are you guys posting these problems to the XMMS web site? Hehe, nah. I just blamed ARTSD (since I never run it normally), and hopped into #kde channel on IRC to see what KDE folks had to say. (I'd imagine a higher likelyhook of KDE-focused people knowing about an ARTSD issue with a popular app like XMMS. A group of XMMS-focused people -- like in an '#xmms' IRC channel -- would presumably be using a much wider range of environments than just KDE and ARTSD, so my chances for an answer would be lower per capita, so to speak ;^) ) -bill! ___ vox-tech mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
