Re: Re: [Vserver] is there any getting started with vserver documentation anywhere?
On Saturday, November 29, 2003 11:02 PM NZT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Simon, Is there a list of things to remove prior to building the skel, and after? If so where can I get it, I continue to have problem with thing trying to start, like the can't initalize iptable - can't find etc/fstab, after I edited it in the skel...? /etc/rc.d stuff all needs to be modified quite a bit to work with vservers. I could look at adding some of the needed changes to the build-skel functionality in Vskel, only trouble is it tends to be a little distribution specific. I suggest you look in /etc/rc.d/init.d (in the skel) and delete all init scripts for things you don't need - including iptables. Then look in /etc/rc.d/rc3.d and remove the links to those same scripts (or you can use chkconfig to do this the 'tidy' way). Let me know if you still have trouble... -Simon ___ Vserver mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://list.linux-vserver.org/mailman/listinfo/vserver
Re: Re: [Vserver] is there any getting started with vserver documentation anywhere?
Hello Simon, The vskel is a very good tool, nice job. I have but one question about creating the vservers, is there a way allocate disk, memory space for each vserver? I understand the ulimit to be the number of limited processes within the vserver. I ask this because, if your in webhosting customers would want to see some type of accounting for service level agreements, is this possible? From: Simon Garner [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2003/11/05 Wed PM 05:04:18 EST To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Vserver] is there any getting started with vserver documentation anywhere? On Thursday, November 06, 2003 10:28 AM NZT, Jan-Hendrik Heuing [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just to get this right: - vanilla kernel should not be used on redhat - vserver does not patch redhat kernel yet ? It looks a bit like there is no straight way using redhat9 with vserver, am I right with this conclusion ? Correct... that's assuming redhat9 uses NPTL, I'm pretty sure it does but somebody correct me if I'm wrong... Anyway, if you still know the place of the kernel sources, I'd still like to know, as I can't find them. And I guess at some point there will be patches for the redhat kernel. up2date --download kernel-source The redhat9+ kernels also use the O(1) scheduler which I think is the main sticking point for vserver, but there has been work on O(1) vserver patches... somebody else can tell you more about that. What would be the way to go ? Use debian as the host, and maybe use rh vservers ? I'd like to use redhat for some things as I know about it. Just looking into debian... At Herbert's suggestion I'm now using Mandrake 9.2 and have found it quite nice. It's a redhat-based/redhat-style distribution, so most things are quite similar to redhat (i.e. it uses rpms and the system layout is much the same). But it doesn't use NPTL or O(1), so a vanilla kernel with vserver patches works just fine on Mandrake. -Simon ___ Vserver mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://list.linux-vserver.org/mailman/listinfo/vserver ___ Vserver mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://list.linux-vserver.org/mailman/listinfo/vserver
Re: [Vserver] is there any getting started with vserver documentation anywhere?
I once tried to make the vservers run on a SuSE disto but after serveral weekends gave up. That's basically due to my lack of ability to compile a vanilla kernel on SuSE so that all the modules it has with its standard kernel work. We run vservers under Debian 3.0 (Woody) without any problems. The normal vservers (without setting disk-space limits and without setting the context number :-)) are simple: I started with the introduction by Jacques (in april, I think) and worked up my way through the other docs in mentioned http://linux-vserver.org. Astonishingly there's not really much to do to run vservers: patching, compiling and installing the kernel, getting the tools of choice (either from the Debian distro or Enrico's util-vserver), setting up a vserver, do a vserver xxx start and that's it... As a kernel I use whatever is currently regarded as stable (on the long running system 2.4.18, on the systems to-be-set-up 2.4.22) and where the developers provide a patch. I found it to be very stable, relatively easy to install and extremely useful! Alexander Am Mittwoch, 5. November 2003 05:31 schrieb ian douglas: Considering RedHat's recent press release about discontinuing the RedHat Linux line in favor of the more expensive enterprise version, I'd really like a few answers from others (only had one off-list reply) regarding which operating system is going to be my best bet since I'm going to have to convert my server to another Linux distro now. I'll be starting a whole new server to manage everything but curious, obviously, which distro people have had the most success with other than RedHat. Thanks for any help on that, as well as my other unanswered questions. -id I searched the site's documentation and found the multi-page this is what it's capable of documentation, but didn't see any offhand that answered the following questions. I sent them to Jacques, but I'd like to pose it to the list in general for the 1.0 release so I can get started on vserver in the coming weeks. --- Hi Jacques, I've been daydreaming about a vserver setup for my system. A few things that perhaps would be handy to have in the FAQ: - what OS works 'best'? Kernel version is obviously important, but it would be neat to see some sort of volunteered information from various users as to the OS and version of that OS, that they have the most success with - how does one get started? is it best to start with a totally fresh machine and build from there, or could I start from a medium-sized virtual hosting setup using Linuxconf and build a vserver and go from there? I guess I'm looking for guidance on what should/should not get copied over when building the first vserver - once I build the first one, I can just use the vserver software to duplicate it, but I'm worried about disk space and how to actually mount/share file system areas... - any patched versions of up2date out there? or would I have to tell up2date to save a copy of the RPM's on the disk somewhere and run the vserver rpm utility to patch all vservers? If I have 100 vservers, is there a quicker way to tell it to patch all vservers, or would I have to literally type rpm server1 server2 server3 ... server99 server100 -Uvh *rpm ? --- Thanks for any additional feedback. -id ___ Vserver mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://list.linux-vserver.org/mailman/listinfo/vserver ___ Vserver mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://list.linux-vserver.org/mailman/listinfo/vserver -- --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] tel.: +49 (0)30 / 61 20 26 87 fax: +49 (0)30 / 61 20 26 89 --- lieblinxNET we do software a Marwood Thiele GbR --- reichenberger straße 125 10999 Berlin http://lieblinx.net --- ___ Vserver mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://list.linux-vserver.org/mailman/listinfo/vserver
Re: [Vserver] is there any getting started with vserver documentation anywhere?
At 13:53 05.11.2003, you wrote: Charles Dale wrote: Re: compiliing a kernel on SuSE, they should provide a .config file that has all the configuration options used for compiling the stock kernel. With RedHat this is in the config/ directory inside the kernel tree. Looking at a SuSE source RPM I can't see anything similar. Hmm. On redhat, if the config is in that directory, what is the config file in /boot ? The other thing: I might be wrong with this, but: Isn't it the case that redhat provides a patched kernel ? I could not fine the whole source kernel. Finally I used a standard vanilla kernel (which I still have little problems with). I could only find some kernel-xxx.src.rpm, but which only installs some other directory structure, not like it would be with a vanilla kernel. Ages ago I searched for the same for rh7.3, that days it was seperated, I also had to install kernel-headers etc..., but I can't find these things for rh9. Hints are appreaciated ! JH ___ Vserver mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://list.linux-vserver.org/mailman/listinfo/vserver
Re: [Vserver] is there any getting started with vserver documentation anywhere?
Ages ago I searched for the same for rh7.3, that days it was seperated, I also had to install kernel-headers etc..., but I can't find these things for rh9. I think running a vanilla kernel on rh9/rhel3 is not a good idea (this was what I found with taroon at least) - the red hat kernel has NPTL (native posix thread library) support patched in, and a lot of userspace things expect this kernel support to be there. If you run a vanilla kernel (which won't have NPTL) then you will see problems with threaded apps. Unfortunately the vserver patches won't patch (yet) against the red hat patched kernels. Just to get this right: - vanilla kernel should not be used on redhat - vserver does not patch redhat kernel yet ? It looks a bit like there is no straight way using redhat9 with vserver, am I right with this conclusion ? Anyway, if you still know the place of the kernel sources, I'd still like to know, as I can't find them. And I guess at some point there will be patches for the redhat kernel. What would be the way to go ? Use debian as the host, and maybe use rh vservers ? I'd like to use redhat for some things as I know about it. Just looking into debian... thanks, JH ___ Vserver mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://list.linux-vserver.org/mailman/listinfo/vserver
RE: [Vserver] is there any getting started with vserver documentation anywhere?
Considering RedHat's recent press release about discontinuing the RedHat Linux line in favor of the more expensive enterprise version, I'd really like a few answers from others (only had one off-list reply) regarding which operating system is going to be my best bet since I'm going to have to convert my server to another Linux distro now. I'll be starting a whole new server to manage everything but curious, obviously, which distro people have had the most success with other than RedHat. Thanks for any help on that, as well as my other unanswered questions. -id I searched the site's documentation and found the multi-page this is what it's capable of documentation, but didn't see any offhand that answered the following questions. I sent them to Jacques, but I'd like to pose it to the list in general for the 1.0 release so I can get started on vserver in the coming weeks. --- Hi Jacques, I've been daydreaming about a vserver setup for my system. A few things that perhaps would be handy to have in the FAQ: - what OS works 'best'? Kernel version is obviously important, but it would be neat to see some sort of volunteered information from various users as to the OS and version of that OS, that they have the most success with - how does one get started? is it best to start with a totally fresh machine and build from there, or could I start from a medium-sized virtual hosting setup using Linuxconf and build a vserver and go from there? I guess I'm looking for guidance on what should/should not get copied over when building the first vserver - once I build the first one, I can just use the vserver software to duplicate it, but I'm worried about disk space and how to actually mount/share file system areas... - any patched versions of up2date out there? or would I have to tell up2date to save a copy of the RPM's on the disk somewhere and run the vserver rpm utility to patch all vservers? If I have 100 vservers, is there a quicker way to tell it to patch all vservers, or would I have to literally type rpm server1 server2 server3 ... server99 server100 -Uvh *rpm ? --- Thanks for any additional feedback. -id ___ Vserver mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://list.linux-vserver.org/mailman/listinfo/vserver ___ Vserver mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://list.linux-vserver.org/mailman/listinfo/vserver
