Re: Hard Drive prices

[Roger P Kortas]

If you check the ple.com.au web site you will see that the Seagate is 
very cheap


Seagate 7200 120gb $269.00

Western Digital 7200/8mb $369.00

Regards

Roger

[EMAIL PROTECTED]
mobile: 0413 307 995

Re: Hard drive prices

[Brett Carboni]

On 19/2/03 12:05 AM, "Brad Helden" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> communicated
the following

> Just logged on to the Macusers' Group in Tokyo and read that one guy
> bought a 120GB HD for 15,500 yen which is about $217.40AU. Can anyone
> tell me how this compares with what's available in Perth?

Apparently around $370 here in Perth. Methinks they are Seagate unless
mentioned otherwise. You could check out Zytech too, who give good service
(at least for me they did).

> 80GB WD - JB Series with 8MB Cache
>  
> $259 
> 
> 120GB WD 
>  
> $3 69
> 
> 120GB WD - JB Series with 8MB Cache
>  
> $369 
> 
> 180GB WD - JB Series with 8MB Cache
>  
> $750 

Brett Carboni
Tsunami

Hard drive prices

[Brad Helden]

Just logged on to the Macusers' Group in Tokyo and read that one guy 
bought a 120GB HD for 15,500 yen which is about $217.40AU. Can anyone 
tell me how this compares with what's available in Perth?


Cheers,
Brad
--
Brad Helden
Graphic Designer & Typesetter
Japanese Culture Consultant

Perth, Western Australia

Website:
http://www.japan-australia-media.com

Hardware: G4 400mhz 1GB RAM, 10GB & 30GB HD,AGP graphics; Viewmaster 
17 monitor; QUE Fire CDR; 100MB USB Zip drive; Canon Flatbed scanner

[WTB] 1GB+ SCSI Hard Drives

[Daniel]

Hi All.

Poor timing strikes, and I am after 3 or so 1Gig or more SCSI Hard 
Drives for Older Mac's.


If anyone has some lying around gathering dust they don't want/need 
please drop me an email (or call) to discuss.


Thanks in advance!

Kind regards
Daniel Kerr

Outlook Express address book

[David Hudleston]

I have just updated my Powerbook G4 to OS X 10.2.4.
How do I access my previous Outlook Express address book?
regards
David Hudleston 

Re: Can't shutdown in OSX

[Keith Palmer, Zytech]

In lieu of running DiskWarrior (OS X version due any day now) you might 
now (and on a regular basis) run MacJanitor (download at 
versiontracker.com) and on completion repair your permissions in Apple 
Disk Utility.


This suggestion is purely a good maintenance tip but it has fixed a 
multitude of varied problems.


I'll put details on the list as soon as we have pricing and 
availability on DiskWarrior 3.


On Tuesday, February 18, 2003, at 11:28 AM, Justin Bearne wrote:


I am running OS 10.2.4 on a G4 powerMac (old model, AGP). I only just
installed OSX and have effectively gone straight to 10.2.4. The 
problem is
that if I try to shutdown all the happens is the finder restarts. The 
same
occurs if I try to logout, and if I select 'About This Mac'. I can 
only
shutdown using the power button. The other problem is I cannot connect 
to
other computers on the network. I can 'see' the computers but every 
time I
try to connect it says connection terminated (or failed I think). 
Apart from

that applications seem to run OK but slowly.

Any ideas?
Justin Bearne


Keith Palmer
Zytech Marketing Pty Ltd
PO Box 342 Bunbury 6231
Phone: 0419927101 Fax: 0897915900
the online data storage & technology store -
http://www.zytech.com.au/

Get FREE business cards at -
http://www.zytech.com.au/contact.html

Can't shutdown in OSX

[Justin Bearne]

I am running OS 10.2.4 on a G4 powerMac (old model, AGP). I only just
installed OSX and have effectively gone straight to 10.2.4. The problem is
that if I try to shutdown all the happens is the finder restarts. The same
occurs if I try to logout, and if I select 'About This Mac'. I can only
shutdown using the power button. The other problem is I cannot connect to
other computers on the network. I can 'see' the computers but every time I
try to connect it says connection terminated (or failed I think). Apart from
that applications seem to run OK but slowly.

Any ideas?

Justin Bearne

Re: Group emailing problem

[Shay Telfer]

Our sysop says, "Seems to be problem in the way the mailer is
constructing the header but neither Simon or I can be sure. We don't
think it is a case of being too large or too many addresses? I checked
with helpdesk and they have not had other staff making similar
complaints so I tend to think it's a local mailer issue on the Mac"

Any suggestions?


Aside from saying 'use Eudora', you could try

Pasting the address list into something like BBEdit and turning on 
'show invisibles', and looking for any abnormalities, or using zap 
gremlins, and then pasting it back into Mail.


Or, try pasting half the list in and see you can send mail to that, 
then the same with the second half and repeat the process until 
you've reduced the list to a point of discovering the problem.


You could also use something like Interarchy's traffic monitoring, 
(or any number of packet sniffing tools) to watch the SMTP session 
and see what Mail is actually sending to the SMTP server, but that's 
probably a bit excessive.


Thanks,
Shay
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Opinions for hire [POQ]
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Group emailing problem

[Jim Cummins]

I'm having problems setting up student mailing lists on Apple Mail 
1.2.3 (OSX). I input the email addresses in the "To: field as text 
strings separated by commas and a space, but I get an error message 
saying that the SMPT server (at Murdoch) does not recognize the email 
addresses. The same string copied into Outlook Express seems to work. 
Yes, I've tried separating the fields as <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, etc but this also bounces.

Looking at other groups I've set up using the more conventional way of 
creating a series of mailbox entries and then dragging them one-by-one 
to a group the format appears to be Name 1 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Name 2 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> etc. but I wonder if there's some hidden text I'm not 
seeing?

Our sysop says, "Seems to be problem in the way the mailer is 
constructing the header but neither Simon or I can be sure. We don't 
think it is a case of being too large or too many addresses? I checked 
with helpdesk and they have not had other staff making similar 
complaints so I tend to think it's a local mailer issue on the Mac"

Any suggestions?
Dr Jim Cummins
Anatomy, Division of Health Sciences,
Murdoch University, WA 6150, AUSTRALIA
Tel. +61-8-9360 2668 Fax +61-8-93104144
Mob. 0402 810988
Beware the axis of hubris

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Re: Movie files-orientation rotation

[Neil Houghton]

on 18/02/03 13:46, Greg Hosking at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> I don't have it at hand, but i'm almost certain iMovie can do this for you,
> "orientation" is the term methinks. (Though iMovie appears simple, you will
> be surprised at how functional is it)
> 
My version of iMovie (2.0.3) won't import .avi (though I may be able to find
a graphic converter export that iMovie would import) and nowhere in any menu
or iMovie help could I find 'rotate' or 'orientation'. Are these features
that have been introduced into later versions of iMovie?




on 18/02/03 13:48, Shay Telfer at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> Options include
> * Exporting every frame, rotating them all and re-importing them :)
>
Believe it or not, I actually considered this momentarily and as a trial
exported my shortest 13 sec clip to frames. My computer was monopolised for
quite a while and the resulting folder contained >8000 frames @ >1.6GB.
Needless to say, I decided to discount this option!!

> * Use a high-end video tool to rotate the movie (ie Commotion, Adobe
> AfterEffects, etc.)
> 
> * Using QuickTime player to insert a rotate effect into the start of
> the movie. You could then either export the movie to another movie to
> get a rotated movie, or just leave as it is (which will require a bit
> higher processor load during playback and be less portable to
> non-Quicktime aware movie players).
> Go to Movie->Get Movie Properties
> Select the appropriate movie track
> Select 'Size' from the popup on the right top of the movie properties dialog
> Hit one of the rotate buttons.
Hmmm no rotate buttons here.
> You can then re-export the movie if you want.
> 
> You may need to register QuickTime Player to do this, but it's worth
> every cent.
So, if I understand correctly, I need to purchase Quickime Pro and this
includes the extra tools which will let me rotate my movie. The apple
Australia site says this cost $60 but doesn't mention rotation as a feature
- can I be confident that if I shell out $60 it will do what I want? There
doesn't seem to be a limited trial option?

Many thanks to Greg & Shay for such quick feedback.

Cheers

Neil
-- 
Neil R. Houghton
Albany, Western Australia
Tel: +61 8 9841 6063
Fax: +61 8 9841 6137
Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Movie files-orientation rotation

[Shay Telfer]

So...is there any easy way to turn my movie on it's side? (other than
putting the monitor on it's side, before anyone suggests it!!)


Options include
* Exporting every frame, rotating them all and re-importing them :)

* Use a high-end video tool to rotate the movie (ie Commotion, Adobe 
AfterEffects, etc.)


* Using QuickTime player to insert a rotate effect into the start of 
the movie. You could then either export the movie to another movie to 
get a rotated movie, or just leave as it is (which will require a bit 
higher processor load during playback and be less portable to 
non-Quicktime aware movie players).

Go to Movie->Get Movie Properties
Select the appropriate movie track
Select 'Size' from the popup on the right top of the movie properties dialog
Hit one of the rotate buttons.
You can then re-export the movie if you want.

You may need to register QuickTime Player to do this, but it's worth 
every cent.


Have fun,
Shay
--
=== Shay Telfer 
Perth, Western Australia Technomancer It must be bunnies!
Opinions for hire [POQ]
[EMAIL PROTECTED] fnord

Re: Movie files-orientation rotation

[Greg Hosking]

I don't have it at hand, but i'm almost certain iMovie can do this for you,
"orientation" is the term methinks. (Though iMovie appears simple, you will
be surprised at how functional is it)

greg


> I'm just getting to grips with my new digital camera (Canon S45) and I'm
> quite impressed with it's movie feature. My 32Mb CF card only gives me a
> 1m48s movie @ 320x240 resolution (but I can always save up for a bigger
> card!) Now this would never compete with a video camera for real video but
> seems to do a passable Quicktime movie for possible web use.
> 
> But to the point!
> 
> I was used to using the camera in both portrait and landscape orientation
> for stills work and (not thinking!) shot some video with the camera in
> portrait orientationsome quite useful footage that it would not be
> possible to shoot again.
> 
> 
> Now although it is very simple to rotate a still image by 90° in most image
> viewing/editing programs, so far I can't find out how to do it for the
> movie. I realise that the 320x240 original corresponds to a standard 4:3
> aspect ratio but I would be quite happy with a 240x320 tall & thin viewing
> window and, given that the video is basically just a succession of still
> images shown one after the other, I can't see why it shouldn't be fairly
> simple to rotate each frame by 90° and therefore put the movie the right way
> up.
> 
> Software currently at my disposal includes: Arcsoft videoimpressions (ships
> with camera) Adobe photoshop elements (version 1) Graphic converter (version
> 4.4) and of course quicktime & iMovie that came with my mac.
> 
> Camera produces movies in .avi format which can be opened by
> videoimpressions, quicktime and graphic converter. I also seem to have the
> option from videoimpressions and graphic converter to save in other formats
> (more than I can possibly comprehend in the case of
> graphic converter!!)
> 
> So...is there any easy way to turn my movie on it's side? (other than
> putting the monitor on it's side, before anyone suggests it!!)
> 
> TIA
> 
> Neil

Movie files-orientation rotation

[Neil Houghton]

I'm just getting to grips with my new digital camera (Canon S45) and I'm
quite impressed with it's movie feature. My 32Mb CF card only gives me a
1m48s movie @ 320x240 resolution (but I can always save up for a bigger
card!) Now this would never compete with a video camera for real video but
seems to do a passable Quicktime movie for possible web use.

But to the point!

I was used to using the camera in both portrait and landscape orientation
for stills work and (not thinking!) shot some video with the camera in
portrait orientationsome quite useful footage that it would not be
possible to shoot again.


Now although it is very simple to rotate a still image by 90° in most image
viewing/editing programs, so far I can't find out how to do it for the
movie. I realise that the 320x240 original corresponds to a standard 4:3
aspect ratio but I would be quite happy with a 240x320 tall & thin viewing
window and, given that the video is basically just a succession of still
images shown one after the other, I can't see why it shouldn't be fairly
simple to rotate each frame by 90° and therefore put the movie the right way
up.

Software currently at my disposal includes: Arcsoft videoimpressions (ships
with camera) Adobe photoshop elements (version 1) Graphic converter (version
4.4) and of course quicktime & iMovie that came with my mac.

Camera produces movies in .avi format which can be opened by
videoimpressions, quicktime and graphic converter. I also seem to have the
option from videoimpressions and graphic converter to save in other formats
(more than I can possibly comprehend in the case of
graphic converter!!)

So...is there any easy way to turn my movie on it's side? (other than
putting the monitor on it's side, before anyone suggests it!!)

TIA

Neil
-- 
Neil R. Houghton
Albany, Western Australia
Tel: +61 8 9841 6063
Fax: +61 8 9841 6137
Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: 2nd monitor

[Shay Telfer]

Would I be safe to assume that because my (secondhand) Titanium G3
Powerbook has a monitor socket, I can automatically hang a monitor
off it ? Or would I need to get an appropriate card fitted? How
would I know if one was already fitted (notwithstanding the obvious
answer, which is to hang a monitor off it!


It does support a second monitor, provided you've got the right cabling.


but could that cause any
damage) ?


It depends on how hard you jam the plug in...

Have fun,
Shay
--
=== Shay Telfer 
Perth, Western Australia Technomancer It must be bunnies!
Opinions for hire [POQ]
[EMAIL PROTECTED] fnord

Re: 2nd monitor

[Neil Houghton]

on 18/02/03 12:30, Craig Chappelle at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Would I be safe to assume that because my (secondhand) Titanium G3
> Powerbook has a monitor socket, I can automatically hang a monitor
> off it ? Or would I need to get an appropriate card fitted? How
> would I know if one was already fitted (notwithstanding the obvious
> answer, which is to hang a monitor off it! but could that cause any
> damage) ?

Hi Craig,

Firstly, to the best of my knowledge, all Titanium Powerbooks are G4 not G3
(though wiser heads may correct me!)
My 400MHz G4 Ti powerbook is one of the earlier models and the manual say
that the monitor port "allows you to directly connect a monitor with a VGA
style adaptor or other external video device such as a video projector."
[ie no additional card is required]

You also have an S-video out port to connect to a TV or VCR.

The manual also notes that: "When an external monitor or television is
connected, you can either have the same image appear on both the internal
display and the external monitor (known as video mirroring) or use the
external monitor to extend the size of the Mac OS desktop (known as extended
desktop mode)."

Have fun.

Neil
-- 
Neil R. Houghton
Albany, Western Australia
Tel: +61 8 9841 6063
Fax: +61 8 9841 6137
Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

2nd monitor

[Craig Chappelle]

Would I be safe to assume that because my (secondhand) Titanium G3 
Powerbook has a monitor socket, I can automatically hang a monitor 
off it ? Or would I need to get an appropriate card fitted? How 
would I know if one was already fitted (notwithstanding the obvious 
answer, which is to hang a monitor off it! but could that cause any 
damage) ?


TIA

Craig C

Scanner

[Peter Curtis]

Hi all
I have a G3 Powerbook running OSX 2 and have been using an Epson Perfection 610 
quite happily through Clasic. Since upgrading the last time to OSX 2.4.2 (I 
think) when I go to use the scanner through Presto! PageManager 2.40.04, this 
starts OK but when I go to scan I get the message "Error Opening Data Source".
I've tried it directly from 9.2, reloaded the whole program, but still no joy!
Has anyone got any suggestions as to what I might do, taking into account I am 
not very knowledgeable with the ins and outs of things.
Thanks in anticipation
Peter


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Re: OSX Tome Viewer Equivalent

[Shay Telfer]

Hi All

Can someone please refresh my memory. I was sure there was an OS X
version similar to Tome Viewer for extracting "specific" files from
Installers.
I've had a look on Versiontracker, but think I am using the "Wrong"
search words, and I don't turn anything up!

If anyone remembers I would be most greatful!


Pacifist



Have fun,
Shay
--
=== Shay Telfer 
Perth, Western Australia Technomancer It must be bunnies!
Opinions for hire [POQ]
[EMAIL PROTECTED] fnord

Re: OSX Tome Viewer Equivalent

[Peter Hinchliffe]

On Tuesday, February 18, 2003, at 08:51 AM, Daniel wrote:

> Hi All
>
> Can someone please refresh my memory. I was sure there was an OS X
> version similar to Tome Viewer for extracting "specific" files from
> Installers.
> I've had a look on Versiontracker, but think I am using the "Wrong"
> search words, and I don't turn anything up!
>
> If anyone remembers I would be most greatful!
>
>

Pacifist.

-- 
Peter Hinchliffe
Apwin Computer Services FileMaker Pro Solutions Developer
Perth, 
Western Australia Phone (618) 9332 6482 Fax (618) 9332 0913

Mac because I prefer it -- Windows because I have to.



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Changing regions & error -70001

[Jason Muirhead]

Hey

I've got a 867 G4 (Aug 2001) with superdrive (A03) running 10.2.3 (with
the superdrive firmware update) when the problem started & recently
upgraded to 10.2.4 and the problem persists. I've used 4 of the 5 region
changes allowable on my superdrive (I think these were all prior to the
superdrive firmware update). I want to change it to region 4 for
permanent use. When inserting a R4 dvd I get the region change window
saying this is the last change. But when selecting R4 and clicking OK I
get an error -70001. Leaving me stuck with a region 1 superdrive and
only one region 1 dvd.

Regards
Jason

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unladen european swallow

Re: Wacom Tablets

[Kelly Duffy]

Hi Antony,

I got mine through The Apple Centre in Mt Hawthorn, and they were very
helpful, so the Apple Centre in Joondalup may be able to help too.
I'm also pretty sure that Desktop Applications (City West) sells them. They
did a workshop on them about a year and a half ago.

Regards,
Kelly Duffy

On 2/17/03 11:58 PM, "Antony N. Lord" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Anyone recommend where I can buy (and preferably) look at the Wacom
> tablets (especially the Graphire) here in Perth?
> 
> Cheers, Antony.

OSX Tome Viewer Equivalent

[Daniel]

Hi All

Can someone please refresh my memory. I was sure there was an OS X 
version similar to Tome Viewer for extracting "specific" files from 
Installers.
I've had a look on Versiontracker, but think I am using the "Wrong" 
search words, and I don't turn anything up!


If anyone remembers I would be most greatful!

Thanks heaps!!

Kind Regards
Daniel Kerr

Re: How to get Gimp print 4.3.10

[Peter Hinchliffe]

On Monday, February 17, 2003, at 11:43 AM, Michael Hawkins wrote:

> As Rob points out, it seems from
> 
> that the latest version is 4.2.5.
>
> Version 4.3.10 can be obtained by:
> 1. Go to 
>
> 2. Click on "download". That should take you to
> 
>
> 3. Click on "our project page". That should take you to
> 
>
> 4. Scroll down to Latest File Releases and click on "download" where it
> appears next to the entry for version 4.3.10.
>

Be aware, though, that this is a development release and as such comes 
as source code only, not a .dmg containing an installer package. You 
will need to install it under UNIX in Terminal. Double-click the README 
file for instructions. If this worries you, you might be better waiting 
for the final version.

This also explains why 4.2.5 is still listed as the latest version on 
the main page.


-- 
Peter Hinchliffe
Apwin Computer Services FileMaker Pro Solutions Developer
Perth, 
Western Australia Phone (618) 9332 6482 Fax (618) 9332 0913

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Re: Wacom Tablets

[Karl Videmanis]

Most of the AppleCentres have them in stock and on display. Some may 
still have some bundle stock with Mac OS X left over from a Christmas 
promotion as well, if you're in the market for Mac OS X 10.2.


Rgds

Karl


On Tuesday, February 18, 2003, at 08:12 AM, Trevor Lee 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:



--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], "Antony N. Lord" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

Anyone recommend where I can buy (and preferably) look at the
Wacom tablets (especially the Graphire) here in Perth?


Simline sell them in Perth, but i doubt whether you would be able to
look at them though, as I do not believe they have a show room.

http://www.simline.com.au/Catalogue.asp?catid=7&all=true

Otherwise, you may like to try Artref, they may have a display model.

http://www.artref.com.au/

Regards

Trevor Lee


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mmm nice DP G4

[Mark Secker]

Just picked up another toy... eh hum I mean work tool... an EOL (end 
of life) model dual processor 867 G4

have to say I'd hate to think how fast the dual 1.24 are

now... lets just install Bryce and my family will never see me again...



--
~
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9380 2308 (GSE) 9380 1855 (ECEL)
ECEL Computer Support Officer, University of Western Australia.
CRICOS Provider No. 00126G
~
"Man cannot discover new oceans unless he has the courage to lose 
sight of the shore."

Andre Gide

"Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving 
safely in one pretty and well preserved piece, but to skid across 
the line broadside, thoroughly used up, worn out, leaking oil, 
shouting GERONIMO"

Hunter S Thompson(?)

Re: Wacom Tablets

[Mark Secker]

Anyone recommend where I can buy (and preferably) look at the Wacom
tablets (especially the Graphire) here in Perth?

Cheers, Antony.


Given they are USB you find a fair few PC shops stocking them, Tang 
computers in Osbourne Park always seem to have a good range when ever 
I'm down there.


--
~
Mark Secker [EMAIL PROTECTED]
9380 2308 (GSE) 9380 1855 (ECEL)
ECEL Computer Support Officer, University of Western Australia.
CRICOS Provider No. 00126G
~
"Man cannot discover new oceans unless he has the courage to lose 
sight of the shore."

Andre Gide

"Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving 
safely in one pretty and well preserved piece, but to skid across 
the line broadside, thoroughly used up, worn out, leaking oil, 
shouting GERONIMO"

Hunter S Thompson(?)

Re: Wacom Tablets

[Trevor Lee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>]

--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], "Antony N. Lord" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
> Anyone recommend where I can buy (and preferably) look at the 
> Wacom tablets (especially the Graphire) here in Perth?
> 
Simline sell them in Perth, but i doubt whether you would be able to 
look at them though, as I do not believe they have a show room.

http://www.simline.com.au/Catalogue.asp?catid=7&all=true

Otherwise, you may like to try Artref, they may have a display model.

http://www.artref.com.au/

Regards

Trevor Lee

Re: Permissions

[Peter Hinchliffe]

On Monday, February 17, 2003, at 09:43 AM, Shay Telfer wrote:

>> I regularly repair permissions: weekly at least, sometimes more if I 
>> am
>> about to and have installed updated software.
>>
>> Each time I get the following message:
>> "New permissions are 33261.
>> Group differs fro on ./private/var/run/utump
>> Should be 0, group is 1
>> Owner and group corrected.
>> Permissions corrected."
>>
>> Is there something that I should do so that this repair isn't needed 
>> each
>> and every time?
>
> It's a temporary file created by one of the daemons, so chances are
> that something else is creating it or changing its permissions back
> every week. You'd need to either fix the receipt for the file that's
> causing Disk Utility to change the privilege, or recompile whatever
> creates utmp (used to store login records). Neither of which are
> particularly good options.
>
>
You could also try the shareware utility "Macaroni". This runs routine 
UNIX housekeeping chores at scheduled times, which in itself is good 
for keeping your system happy, and it also regularly runs Disk 
Utility's Repair Permissions routines. You also get a full log of what 
it has done. Might help if you can't fix the problem any other way.

-- 
Peter Hinchliffe
Apwin Computer Services FileMaker Pro Solutions Developer
Perth, 
Western Australia Phone (618) 9332 6482 Fax (618) 9332 0913

Mac because I prefer it -- Windows because I have to.



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