Re: Dual Laptop - single mouse

[Anthony Briggs]

At 1:13 PM +0800 9/24/03, Shane Webster wrote:

Hi all,
Has anyone had experience with running two laptops of the one mouse thru
USB. Is a simple Y-splitter all that is required or would I require a
proprietary product (eg: hub or similar).


Not sure exactly what sort of presentation would need six screens 
running all at once, or is this some sort of theatre type scenario?


Anyway, have you considered some sort of wireless solution? Could be 
a bit expensive, but six of the same type all sending on the same 
channel might work, and be a bit less hacky. If the laptops are all 
close together, then the IR type would work, not sure how expensive 
those sorts of things get though.


Hope that helps,

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Re: sending ozmac via mail

[Malcolm McCallum]

Hi,
   go toGo / Go To Folder and type in  
/Library/scripts/Mail Scripts then double click on Manage SMTP 
Servers.scpt file type Run and all will be revealed :-)

Mac
On Wednesday, September 24, 2003, at 09:05  PM, Matthew Healey wrote:


On 24/09/2003, at 9:00 PM, Dark Servant wrote:

I'm trying to configure my Mail program to use my ozmac.com email.  
I've got everything figured out except for the outgoing server part.  
Could someone tell me what I need to put in this part?


mail.ozmac.com

You also need to set it to use Password Authentication.

Also over time I've got a bit over a build up of outgoing servers for 
selection.  Is there a way to delete the unused ones?


Not too sure about that one.

- Matt

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Re: Dual Laptop - single mouse

[Onno Benschop]

On Wed, 2003-09-24 at 16:51, Shane Webster wrote:
> OK - Here we go.
> 
> We run multi-screen presentations using upto 5-6 laptops at once. On most
> occasions its only 2 laptops, but an event coming up we will require 6.
> 
> A single mouse click is needed to move all laptops forward one slide to keep
> all presentation in sync with each other.

Which OS are the laptops running?
Which presentation software are they running?

I ask because IMHO this is looking for a software solution, not a
hardware one.

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Re: sending ozmac via mail

[Matthew Healey]

On 24/09/2003, at 9:00 PM, Dark Servant wrote:

I'm trying to configure my Mail program to use my ozmac.com email.  
I've got everything figured out except for the outgoing server part.  
Could someone tell me what I need to put in this part?


mail.ozmac.com

You also need to set it to use Password Authentication.

Also over time I've got a bit over a build up of outgoing servers for 
selection.  Is there a way to delete the unused ones?


Not too sure about that one.

- Matt

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iPod to PC

[Dark Servant]

Does anyone know how I can transfer files from my iPod to a PC?
I only recently tried to do it thinking that it wouldn't be too much 
trouble.  I remember that they made the iPods so they could be used on 
Mac and PC.  I thought that meant they would be cross platform but it 
seems even a simple thing like HD formatting gets in the way.  I'm 
really surprised that code for reading Mac formatted drives has not 
been programmed into the Windows OS yet.


Any light anyone?
Ruben A. Franke

sending ozmac via mail

[Dark Servant]

I'm trying to configure my Mail program to use my ozmac.com email.  
I've got everything figured out except for the outgoing server part.  
Could someone tell me what I need to put in this part?
Also over time I've got a bit over a build up of outgoing servers for 
selection.  Is there a way to delete the unused ones?


Thanks
Ruben A. Franke

Web Publishing G3 4 sale

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RE: Dual Laptop - single mouse

[Katinka Mills]

how long till the presentation ?

K.A.Q. Electronics 

Can make custom USB hardware. We are just waiting on a new chip to arrive,
which should drop the cost of our USB interfaces even more.

I am not sure of anything off the shelf in the market, as most devices
control one host at a time :o(

Regards,

Kat.

> -Original Message-
> From: WAMUG Mailing List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Shane
> Webster
> Sent: Wednesday, 24 September 2003 4:52 PM
> To: WAMUG Mailing List
> Subject: Re: Dual Laptop - single mouse
>
>
> OK - Here we go.
>
> We run multi-screen presentations using upto 5-6 laptops at once. On most
> occasions its only 2 laptops, but an event coming up we will require 6.
>
> A single mouse click is needed to move all laptops forward one
> slide to keep
> all presentation in sync with each other.
>
> We have been using a serial splitter with some older laptops, but now the
> latest and more modern laptops are proving a bit too smart.
>
> Cursor position is not an issue as they do not go to screen.
>
> Hope this helps you help me.
>
> Thanks
>
> Shane
>
>
>
>
> On 9/24/03 3:08 PM, "Katinka Mills" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >> -Original Message-
> >> From: WAMUG Mailing List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Shane
> >> Webster
> >> Sent: Wednesday, 24 September 2003 1:14 PM
> >> To: WAMUG Mailing List
> >> Subject: Dual Laptop - single mouse
> >>
> >>
> >> Hi all,
> >> Has anyone had experience with running two laptops of the one
> mouse thru
> >> USB. Is a simple Y-splitter all that is required or would I require a
> >> proprietary product (eg: hub or similar).
> >>
> >> TIA
> >
> > Ok First why would you want to ? IT is very hard to get two machines to
> > track exactly. So your cursor would be in different positions on both.
> >
> > Second USB 1.X and 2.x standards only allow for one bus master
> (USB2GO may
> > be different but it is still in draft stages)
> >
> > Unless you are talking of a KVM (Keyboard Video Mouse) sharing, then you
> > would need a KVM box to use each laptop one at a time with the
> one mouse.
> >
> > So I can keep guessing all day long, but if you say what you
> want to end up
> > with I can help further.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Kat.
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Re: Dual Laptop - single mouse

[Shane Webster]

OK - Here we go.

We run multi-screen presentations using upto 5-6 laptops at once. On most
occasions its only 2 laptops, but an event coming up we will require 6.

A single mouse click is needed to move all laptops forward one slide to keep
all presentation in sync with each other.

We have been using a serial splitter with some older laptops, but now the
latest and more modern laptops are proving a bit too smart.

Cursor position is not an issue as they do not go to screen.

Hope this helps you help me.

Thanks

Shane




On 9/24/03 3:08 PM, "Katinka Mills" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> 
> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: WAMUG Mailing List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Shane
>> Webster
>> Sent: Wednesday, 24 September 2003 1:14 PM
>> To: WAMUG Mailing List
>> Subject: Dual Laptop - single mouse
>> 
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> Has anyone had experience with running two laptops of the one mouse thru
>> USB. Is a simple Y-splitter all that is required or would I require a
>> proprietary product (eg: hub or similar).
>> 
>> TIA
> 
> Ok First why would you want to ? IT is very hard to get two machines to
> track exactly. So your cursor would be in different positions on both.
> 
> Second USB 1.X and 2.x standards only allow for one bus master (USB2GO may
> be different but it is still in draft stages)
> 
> Unless you are talking of a KVM (Keyboard Video Mouse) sharing, then you
> would need a KVM box to use each laptop one at a time with the one mouse.
> 
> So I can keep guessing all day long, but if you say what you want to end up
> with I can help further.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Kat.
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TechTool Pro 4 (and Drive 10)

[Daniel Kerr]

Heya!

For those interested or wondering what is happening with TechTool Pro 4 I
just received an email about it today. (As I've been following it up for
quite a while now).

TechTool Pro 4 is still not available and according to the US it won't be
available until 10.3 is released. (So according to Apple's info that is
"sometime before the end of the year").

I have looked into it a bit more and if you were thinking of getting
TechTool Pro 4 (or even had TechTool Pro 4) you actually have quite a good
way to do it.

If you already had TechTool Pro and wanted to upgrade to TTP4 it would cost
you about $185 (inc GST and freight). If you didn't have TTP4 but were
thinking about getting it, it would be about $299 (inc GST and freight.
Approx, and when available.)

At the moment there is a special on where you can buy Drive10 for $238 (inc
GST and freight) and you go on a list for a free CD upgrade of TechToolPro4
when it's released.

So either way that offer seems pretty good to me. It's cheaper than the full
version (at present pricing), and it's not that much dearer than the upgrade
CD will be plus you get another product as well!!

So there you go. Just thought I would let people know.

If anyone wants more info drop me an email as I have pdf's on the products.

I can also get the product and direct ship if anyone is also interested, so
drop me an email.

Thanks in advance! Enjoy!!

Kind Regards
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Re: Dual Laptop - single mouse

[Mark Secker]

can't find it listed in any Australian based supplier so here's were 
I originally found it.







Hi all,
Has anyone had experience with running two laptops of the one mouse thru
USB. Is a simple Y-splitter all that is required or would I require a
proprietary product (eg: hub or similar).

TIA


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RE: Dual Laptop - single mouse

[Katinka Mills]

> -Original Message-
> From: WAMUG Mailing List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Shane
> Webster
> Sent: Wednesday, 24 September 2003 1:14 PM
> To: WAMUG Mailing List
> Subject: Dual Laptop - single mouse
>
>
> Hi all,
> Has anyone had experience with running two laptops of the one mouse thru
> USB. Is a simple Y-splitter all that is required or would I require a
> proprietary product (eg: hub or similar).
>
> TIA

Ok First why would you want to ? IT is very hard to get two machines to
track exactly. So your cursor would be in different positions on both.

Second USB 1.X and 2.x standards only allow for one bus master (USB2GO may
be different but it is still in draft stages)

Unless you are talking of a KVM (Keyboard Video Mouse) sharing, then you
would need a KVM box to use each laptop one at a time with the one mouse.

So I can keep guessing all day long, but if you say what you want to end up
with I can help further.

Regards,

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Re: Dual Laptop - single mouse

[Shay Telfer]

Hi all,
Has anyone had experience with running two laptops of the one mouse thru
USB. Is a simple Y-splitter all that is required or would I require a
proprietary product (eg: hub or similar).

TIA


Umm... You mean you want to run both laptops at the same time off one 
mouse? If one of the laptops was off, it might work. Otherwise I 
don't think that's feasible, as AFAIK USB doesn't support more than 
one master device on the bus at once.


Perhaps a bit more explanation about the reason you're trying to do 
this would be helpful?


Have fun,
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Dual Laptop - single mouse

[Shane Webster]

Hi all,
Has anyone had experience with running two laptops of the one mouse thru
USB. Is a simple Y-splitter all that is required or would I require a
proprietary product (eg: hub or similar).

TIA


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Perth Australia
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test-ignore

[Bob]

RE: 10.2.8 and SWEN trojan

[Kay, Richard]

Talk about false alarms.

Installed 10.2.8 yesterday arvo.

Go home, logon to BigPond.

Email won't work.

Nothing on BigPond service status page about problem.

Called two mates with BigPond accounts (Bunbury and Brisbane) and asked if 
their email works.

Email works fine ... no problems here they both said.

Grr. What have I changed recently?

 Must be 10.2.8!

Look at watch. 8pm. Think about reinstall of 10.2.6. Start getting depressed 
thinking about 2 or so hours it will take.

Decide to get pizza and beer and think about reinstall a bit more ... 
postponing the inevitable (you know how it is).

Consume pizza and beer.

Try BigPond once more.

Voila! Email works but is slow ... gets better after 15 minutes ... back to 
normal by 9.15pm.

Check out service staus page again ... NOW there is a message that email 
problems have been experienced by some users. Technicians are investigating.

THANK GOD FOR BEER AND PIZZA!!! ;-)

R.K.

-Original Message-
From: Mark Secker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, 24 September 2003 1:17 PM
To: WAMUG Mailing List
Subject: Re: 10.2.8 and SWEN trojan


[SNIP]

all false alarms so far
... gr not amazing coincidence - except that how so many dumb 
things can happen at the same time..
actually my spelling mistake of "amassing coincidence" was quite apt.

[SNIP]

Re: 10.2.8 and SWEN trojan

[Mark Secker]

Apple (and consequently I guess WAMUG) have pulled it due to a 
plethora of faults.


I've got 4 dead eMacs that if they have nothing to do with having OS 
10.2.8 being installed on them yesterday then it's an amassing 
coincidence)


all false alarms so far
... gr not amazing coincidence - except that how so many dumb 
things can happen at the same time..

actually my spelling mistake of "amassing coincidence" was quite apt.

a user who rates them self as a bit of  a "techo" decided to back up 
the computers using an external firewire drive.


on some they renamed the "~\documents\Eudora folder" to 
"~\documents\'s Eudora folder" so that they could back 
them up with out them having the same name on the external drive - 
unfortunately said person didn't quit out of Eudora to do this and 
next time user tried to access an item in a mailbox Eudora throw up a 
blank Modal style window that stopped all input or action in Eudora 
they didn't think to try clicking on background applications... what 
they told me was "rebooting and comes up with same thing" was really 
"putting system to sleep when it woke up was same thing"


if that wasn't enough the said "techo" had removed the firewire drive 
from the other computers while the computer was asleep (again he'd 
put computer to sleep not shut it down)... as many of us have found 
out OS X doesn't like firewire drives to be removed when the systems 
asleep and it's usual response is it won't wake up and requires a 
hard reboot.




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Re: Mac OS 10.2.8 Update

[Susan Hastings]

All a bit scary. I've had no problems so far with 10.2.8.


On Wednesday, September 24, 2003, at 11:37  AM, Kay, Richard wrote:


From MacFixit:

Tuesday, September 23 2003 @ 08:00 AM PDT

Troubleshooting Mac OS X 10.2.8: Update pulled; Ethernet connections; 
Dual Display configuration; more


Mac OS X 10.2.8 apparently pulled Mac OS X 10.2.8 has disappeared from 
Apple's Web Servers, and is no longer available via the automatic 
Software Update function.


We are awaiting further word from Apple on the subject.

UPDATE: Apple has now restored the Knowledge Base articles for Mac OS 
X 10.2.8 with the message "This update is temporarily unavailable. 
Please check back later."


--

Ethernet connections Perhaps the most widely reported problem reported 
after updating to Mac OS X 10.2.8 is loss of network access. It 
appears that in most cases, the failure is happening because DHCP 
self-assigns an IP address.


In some cases, 100 Mbps Ethernet continues to work, but the 10 Mbps 
mode is disabled. George Warner writes "The Mac OS X 10.2.8 update 
installed fine but I lost networking including ability to talk to my 
Apple Airport Extreme. After some experimenting, I was able to 
determine that my Mac (Dual-500 G4) was not able to talk to my 10 
Base-T network. 10 Base-T is the least common denominator on my LAN. I 
require it for some other devices. Apparently, my updated Mac is stuck 
at 100 Base-T. A hub which provides a 10 to 100 bridge was able to 
band-aid my problem."


The solution is to revert the AppleGMACEthernet.kext from the new 
version (1.3.0) to the 10.2.6 version (1.2.4) and reboot. This file is 
located in System/Library/Extensions. You can pull this file from an 
older Mac OS X system that has not yet been updated, then replace it 
by booting into Mac OS 9 and overwriting the old file (which you 
should back up, just in case).


Alternatively, a poster on Apple's Discussion boards has uploaded the 
old .kext file to his Web server.


Of course, the main problem is that many readers who need this fix are 
not able to access the Internet after performing the Mac OS X 10.2.8 
update. If you know some fellow Mac users who might be experiencing 
the issue, you may want to bring them the old AppleGMACEthernet.kext 
file on a CD.


You can also use the program Pacifist to view the package contents of 
the Mac OS X 10.2.6 updater, and extract the AppleGMACEthernet.kext.


Also, it is not yet known what other problems might be caused by using 
the old .kext file with the new version of Mac OS X.


System modifications/haxies Several readers report problems with 
haxies and other system modifications. The shareware utility 
Transparent Dock, in particular, no longer works for some readers.


FireWalk X2 also apparently seems to be losing functionality for some 
readers after the update.


UPDATE: Pliris Software, creator of FireWalk X2, told us "Apple 
removed a function from the kernel that we used to detect the current 
processor capabilities which is why our KEXT doesn't load on Mac OS X 
10.2.7 or later. Yesterday we released Firewalk X 2 2.2.8 which 
corrects this problem, among others."


Dual Display configuration MacFixIt reader Graham Jones, along with a 
handful of other readers report that they had to reset their monitor 
preferences after installing Mac OS X 10.2.8. "My Dual G4/1.25 with 
Mac OS X 10.2.8 forgets screen sizes and reverses the arrangement of 
the two monitors."


Permissions problems One MacFixIt reader writes "After updating to Mac 
OS X 10.2.8, I am unable to use Disk Utility to repair permissions. 
About a minute after starting repair permissions, the screen goes 
black and the system is completely locked up. I've been 
troubleshooting this for about four hours with no luck."


Several other readers have since corroborated this issue.

The solution is to boot from the Mac OS X 10.2 CD (or another, 
sans-Mac OS X 10.2.8 volume) and then run repair permissions.


I can repair permissions by booting from the Jaguar CD.

Keyboard/mouse problems MacFixIt reader Ben Rosenthal writes:

"Keyboard and Mouse preference panes have been combined in Mac OS X 
10.2.8, as in Panther. And, I seem to have lost trackpad support on my 
Lombard 400. I ran the update late last night, but only noticed the 
loss this morning, as my occasion to use the trackpad is minimized by 
my Apple Pro Mouse. However, I have occasion, e.g., to option click a 
link in Safari to download, and I use the trackpad button for this 
action."


UPDATE: Rosenthal now writes "I restarted into single user mode to run 
fsck (Ed.- hold down the Command-S keys at startup and type /sbin/fsck 
-y ). Repaired a handful of orphaned indirect nodes, in addition to 
two or three other problems. Restarted once more to login and the 
trackpad worked.


Updates: (9:30 AM PDT)

Icons not appearing Several readers have reported problems with icons 
not appearing properly. Repairing disk permissions with Apple's Disk

RE: Mac OS 10.2.8 Update

[Kay, Richard]

>From MacFixit:

Tuesday, September 23 2003 @ 08:00 AM PDT

Troubleshooting Mac OS X 10.2.8: Update pulled; Ethernet connections; Dual 
Display configuration; more   

Mac OS X 10.2.8 apparently pulled Mac OS X 10.2.8 has disappeared from Apple's 
Web Servers, and is no longer available via the automatic Software Update 
function. 

We are awaiting further word from Apple on the subject. 

UPDATE: Apple has now restored the Knowledge Base articles for Mac OS X 10.2.8 
with the message "This update is temporarily unavailable. Please check back 
later." 

-- 

Ethernet connections Perhaps the most widely reported problem reported after 
updating to Mac OS X 10.2.8 is loss of network access. It appears that in most 
cases, the failure is happening because DHCP self-assigns an IP address. 

In some cases, 100 Mbps Ethernet continues to work, but the 10 Mbps mode is 
disabled. George Warner writes "The Mac OS X 10.2.8 update installed fine but I 
lost networking including ability to talk to my Apple Airport Extreme. After 
some experimenting, I was able to determine that my Mac (Dual-500 G4) was not 
able to talk to my 10 Base-T network. 10 Base-T is the least common denominator 
on my LAN. I require it for some other devices. Apparently, my updated Mac is 
stuck at 100 Base-T. A hub which provides a 10 to 100 bridge was able to 
band-aid my problem." 

The solution is to revert the AppleGMACEthernet.kext from the new version 
(1.3.0) to the 10.2.6 version (1.2.4) and reboot. This file is located in 
System/Library/Extensions. You can pull this file from an older Mac OS X system 
that has not yet been updated, then replace it by booting into Mac OS 9 and 
overwriting the old file (which you should back up, just in case). 

Alternatively, a poster on Apple's Discussion boards has uploaded the old .kext 
file to his Web server. 

Of course, the main problem is that many readers who need this fix are not able 
to access the Internet after performing the Mac OS X 10.2.8 update. If you know 
some fellow Mac users who might be experiencing the issue, you may want to 
bring them the old AppleGMACEthernet.kext file on a CD. 

You can also use the program Pacifist to view the package contents of the Mac 
OS X 10.2.6 updater, and extract the AppleGMACEthernet.kext. 

Also, it is not yet known what other problems might be caused by using the old 
.kext file with the new version of Mac OS X. 

System modifications/haxies Several readers report problems with haxies and 
other system modifications. The shareware utility Transparent Dock, in 
particular, no longer works for some readers. 

FireWalk X2 also apparently seems to be losing functionality for some readers 
after the update. 

UPDATE: Pliris Software, creator of FireWalk X2, told us "Apple removed a 
function from the kernel that we used to detect the current processor 
capabilities which is why our KEXT doesn't load on Mac OS X 10.2.7 or later. 
Yesterday we released Firewalk X 2 2.2.8 which corrects this problem, among 
others." 

Dual Display configuration MacFixIt reader Graham Jones, along with a handful 
of other readers report that they had to reset their monitor preferences after 
installing Mac OS X 10.2.8. "My Dual G4/1.25 with Mac OS X 10.2.8 forgets 
screen sizes and reverses the arrangement of the two monitors." 

Permissions problems One MacFixIt reader writes "After updating to Mac OS X 
10.2.8, I am unable to use Disk Utility to repair permissions. About a minute 
after starting repair permissions, the screen goes black and the system is 
completely locked up. I've been troubleshooting this for about four hours with 
no luck." 

Several other readers have since corroborated this issue. 

The solution is to boot from the Mac OS X 10.2 CD (or another, sans-Mac OS X 
10.2.8 volume) and then run repair permissions. 

I can repair permissions by booting from the Jaguar CD. 

Keyboard/mouse problems MacFixIt reader Ben Rosenthal writes: 

"Keyboard and Mouse preference panes have been combined in Mac OS X 10.2.8, as 
in Panther. And, I seem to have lost trackpad support on my Lombard 400. I ran 
the update late last night, but only noticed the loss this morning, as my 
occasion to use the trackpad is minimized by my Apple Pro Mouse. However, I 
have occasion, e.g., to option click a link in Safari to download, and I use 
the trackpad button for this action." 

UPDATE: Rosenthal now writes "I restarted into single user mode to run fsck 
(Ed.- hold down the Command-S keys at startup and type /sbin/fsck -y ). 
Repaired a handful of orphaned indirect nodes, in addition to two or three 
other problems. Restarted once more to login and the trackpad worked. 

Updates: (9:30 AM PDT) 

Icons not appearing Several readers have reported problems with icons not 
appearing properly. Repairing disk permissions with Apple's Disk Utility seems 
to fix most of the broken icons, while others can be manually restored via 
Mitch Wayne's method: 

"I had to use

Re: 10.2.8 and SWEN trojan

[Matthew Healey]

On 24/09/2003, at 11:19 AM, Mark Secker wrote:

Apple (and consequently I guess WAMUG) have pulled it due to a 
plethora of faults.


Bingo.

I've got 4 dead eMacs that if they have nothing to do with having OS 
10.2.8 being installed on them yesterday then it's an amassing 
coincidence)


Ouch.


What happened to 10.2.8, not on
http://mirrors.wamug.org.au/apple/macosx/ as far as I can now see?


See above.

- Matt

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Re: 10.2.8 and SWEN trojan

[Mark Secker]

Apple (and consequently I guess WAMUG) have pulled it due to a 
plethora of faults.


I've got 4 dead eMacs that if they have nothing to do with having OS 
10.2.8 being installed on them yesterday then it's an amassing 
coincidence)

What happened to 10.2.8, not on
http://mirrors.wamug.org.au/apple/macosx/ as far as I can now see?

BTW with the MS Spam, I was receving about 2,000 a day (yes, that
translates into about 200MB or more of email per day).

Thanks to some tips for SpamAssassin
(http://infofiend.com/log/index.php/item/223), Highway1 are now killing
these at the server, so I don't even have to receive messages headers
and delete them.

Apparently a major cause of being a recipient is having lots of postings
archived in newsgroups - Bill, be careful with your new email address!
Of course, one of the reasons that I Google well and have therefore
received US contracts is exactly those same newsgroup postings - damned
if you do and broke if you don't!

Andy Dent BSc  MACS  AACM   http://www.oofile.com.au/
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Archives (was Re: It May Be Wroking Now...)

[Matthew Healey]

On 24/09/2003, at 10:12 AM, Kelly Duffy wrote:


Also, where are the recent archives now? I looked up
the link from the WAMUG website and found From early
October back but nothing new since the list moving.
Are the archives no longer being saved or is it a
transitional thing or am I just going to the wrong
URL?


The archives are being saved. We just haven't the time to put it all in 
to one searchable archive.


http://mail.wamug.org.au:8100 (Click on the mailing list link)

Additionally, if anyone is savvy with MySQL and PHP and would like to 
donate their time to creating a searchable mail archive, then I would 
be most grateful.


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10.2.8 and SWEN trojan

[Andy Dent]

What happened to 10.2.8, not on
http://mirrors.wamug.org.au/apple/macosx/ as far as I can now see?

BTW with the MS Spam, I was receving about 2,000 a day (yes, that
translates into about 200MB or more of email per day).

Thanks to some tips for SpamAssassin
(http://infofiend.com/log/index.php/item/223), Highway1 are now killing
these at the server, so I don't even have to receive messages headers
and delete them.

Apparently a major cause of being a recipient is having lots of postings
archived in newsgroups - Bill, be careful with your new email address!
Of course, one of the reasons that I Google well and have therefore
received US contracts is exactly those same newsgroup postings - damned
if you do and broke if you don't!

Andy Dent BSc  MACS  AACM   http://www.oofile.com.au/
OOFILE - Database, Reports, Graphs, GUI for c++ on Mac, Unix & Windows
PP2MFC - PowerPlant->MFC portability

It May Be Wroking Now...

[Kelly Duffy]

*said while holding everything that could come close
to being wood*

I can't for the life of me remember who it was who
forwarded the article for me, but with all the serious
problems, memory problems, losing the startup disk,
errors found constantly with Disk Warrior and Disk
First Aid, the system errors, the nasty ones with no
message aoart from "System Error, Restart" and the
little bomb, constant programs crashing, the whole
computer freezing, that horrible flashing Mac face and
folder with a question mark icon on start up, and the
other problems, I was sure a reformat was going to be
required.

Now, the person who sent me that article could very
well have struck the nail on the head. I didn't think
anything of it, I had shut down the computer overnight
after repairing it with Disk Warrior only to find the
same problems all starting the next day. But last
night I unplugged it, I left it unplugged over night
and now nearly three hours of working time later I
haven't had a single problem, not even anything
slightly sluggish or hinting at a problem.

I realise its early days now, it had had times where
it seemed to work just fine for long periods but it
wasn't working this fine. All these pages I couldn't
open in IE without running out of memory all open at
once without a problem! I can run most of my apps at
the same time! The Mac is being nice to me. Now I have
no idea how unplugging the computer could possibly
help, I would have thought turning it off would have
done the same thing, maybe it was all the praying and
sacrifices to the God of Computers, it will be awfully
quiet without my firstborn running around but hey...
Or maybe unplugging it really did fix it. Has anyone
else found this to be the case or does anyone know why
unplugging it could possibly help? 

Either way, thankyou to the person who suggested that,
the most simple thing that I had never even
considered. Of course, I have still backed up
everything I could just in case but all is looking
good.

Also, where are the recent archives now? I looked up
the link from the WAMUG website and found From early
October back but nothing new since the list moving.
Are the archives no longer being saved or is it a
transitional thing or am I just going to the wrong
URL?

Cheers, and thanks again to whoever it was who may
have solved my problem.

Kelly


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Rap for Westnet

[Michael Hawkins]

At a little after one this morning I wanted to get on the internet. I didn't
have my machine of choice with me, so cranked up the 7200 that had been idle
for over a year. During that year I had transferred from dial-up to adsl and
after being plagued by extremely poor service, switched from iinet from to
Westnet. I hadn't configured the 7200 to dial up Westnet and so I rang
support to get the connection number. Support was closed (shuts between 1am
and 5am) and so I left a polite message suggesting that the voice mail
recording could contain the dial-up number. I left my name but no phone
number. I was very impressed when a very cheerful young man rang me at about
7.45 to offer assistance.

I have absolutely no regrets about switching to Westnet, no regrets at all.

Michael.

iinet

[Monaghan, Tony]

As someone who had a less than pleasant split from iinet, I thought this
article in an online media website was interesting.
 
Iinet described my personal situation as an MTU problem ... after labouring
for 2 months with their blink system I pulled the pin and asked them to buy
the modem back, they refused simply saying if they did it for me, they'd
have to do it for everyone.
 
They also argued because there were moments when the system worked, they had
provided an adequate service.
 
Anyway, enough of my carping!
A web savvy Canberra IT person writes:
"Over the past few months many small businesses in Canberra been unwilling
participants in a stuff-up where Perth-based IINET, the stockmarket darling,
took over a local ISP called webone. IINET has gone from a price of $1 to $3
over the past year. This has been achieved by increasing the number of
subscribers it has to its ISP service.  It has achieved this by buying other
smaller ISP's. It probably buys customers for $50 to $100. If you have
10,000 customers and you are an ISP then you can probably sell your business
for $500,000+.
This strategy is not a bad one for IINET if they can keep their customers
(or even a few of them). When you buy an ISP get rid of all the staff and
service your new customers with your existing staff then it makes sense. Buy
a customer for $50 and if you have no increase in support costs then you get
your money back in a couple of months so it is not bad if it works.
However, you have to question the strategy when you look at the experience
of webone customers. Here is a quote from a newsletter sent out by a rival
ISP in Canberra just last week.
"Things have been very busy here in the office over the last few weeks. As
many of you would know, one of our competitors was taken over by a large
national ISP who has since closed down the Canberra office and terminated
the employment of all the Canberra staff.  I am very glad to welcome the
many hundreds of customers who have since left them and joined us.  I am
also glad to say that we were able to employ some of their staff who are now
a welcome part of the x team".
When IINET took over, webone customers were told very little - just that
things would be the same as usual. Things were OK for awhile but then things
got really bad. IINET decided to get rid of the web hosting business and
just concentrate on the easy bits of billing customers for connections. In
the changeover they managed to lose websites for up to a week. 
That is, customer's websites disappeared because someone somewhere messed up
what are called routing tables so that domains became invisible. Emails
"disappeared" and then reappeared. You would suddenly get a flood of emails
when a queue of mail was found again. Even last week we were still
experiencing problems. Try to call someone and you would get the annoying
message that "your call is important to us but everyone is busy" and then
you sit on the phone for an hour or more - this has been going on for weeks.
It becomes very difficult to run a web-based business when your ISP lets you
down. In our own case our business has lost at least two full weeks of
development effort trying to trace difficulties and placate customers. 
It becomes very difficult to explain to customers that their transactions
are failing because they will blame you and you can only say "it is beyond
our control" only so many times. It is not very convincing because your
customers believe - quite rightly - that it should be in your control and
you should not have chosen an ISP that allowed itself to be taken over
without adequately protecting its customers.
Unfortunately it is difficult to change ISPs if you rely on email and you
use their domain name. You have to notify all your customers of your new
email address and you are uncertain about the next ISP you go to anyway -
especially when this is the second or third time you have been sold. As a
customer who was sold I blame the seller just as much as the buyer. If you
sell customers for a profit then you have a responsibility to make sure your
sale does not disadvantage your customers who made your sale possible. If
sellers do not do this then perhaps as customers who are being sold we
should have some recourse against the seller.
IINET may keep enough webone customers to make the whole exercise worthwhile
but you have to wonder. If this is the way they have integrated their other
acquisitions then their $3 share price looks suspect.
"not happy jan"
 
 
 

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Aliens Vs Predator 2 Demo

[Matthew Healey]

The demo for AvP2 was uploaded last night. It is a multiplayer LAN demo 
only.


Grab it from the mirror




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Re: Mac OS 10.2.8 Update

[Peter Hinchliffe]

On Wednesday, September 24, 2003, at 07:10 AM, Kay, Richard wrote:

Interestingly, since loading 10.2.8 yesterday by modem connection to 
BigPond has changed from 48000bps to 52000bps (I think bps is the 
correct term but you know what I mean) and the speed of Safari seems 
to have dramatically improved as well. Any other observations from 
anyone else?





A couple of things - Safari has now been updated to 1.0 (v85.5), which 
may account for some performance improvements, and the Keyboard and 
Mouse System Preference panels have been merged into one (à la Panther).



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Re: iinet vs westnet

[meg_travers]

> Now that I am free of spam having changed from iinet to westnet, 
> does anyone know what westnet do and iinet do not?

In answer to that question - I believe Westnet have a pretty good Spam 
filter on their mail servers (which you can also choose not to use if you 
wish). 

As to your other comments on Westnet vs Iinet - I totally hear you. We 
changed to Westnet about a year ago and the difference in service has been 
astounding.

Cheers,
Meg

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10.2.8 problems

[David Hudleston]

I updated to 10.2.8 yesterday and Word (v.X) quit immediately every 
time I tried to open documents on a client's network. (error message: 
program unexpectedly quit etc)


Disconnected from the network it works fine. There were no problems 
before the upgrade.


An older version of Word worked fine in Classic.

I am using a PowerBook G4

regards
David Hudleston

RE: Mac OS 10.2.8 Update

[Kay, Richard]

>From MacRumors a few minutes ago:

"For users who have not yet upgraded, the Mac OS X 10.2.8 Update no longer 
appears in Software Update.

While the majority of users who applied the update have done fine... there are 
multiple reports of problems -- including users' losing network connections 
(potential fix) and others are having boot problems on their iMacs/eMacs.

Update: Standalone updaters have now been pulled too".

R.K.

-Original Message-
From: Kay, Richard 
Sent: Wednesday, 24 September 2003 7:10 AM
To: WAMUG Mailing List
Subject: Re: Mac OS 10.2.8 Update


Interestingly, since loading 10.2.8 yesterday by modem connection to BigPond 
has changed from 48000bps to 52000bps (I think bps is the correct term but you 
know what I mean) and the speed of Safari seems to have dramatically improved 
as well. Any other observations from anyone else?

R.K.

-Original Message-
From: Brett Carboni [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, 24 September 2003 2:27 AM
To: WAMUG Mailing List
Subject: Re: Mac OS 10.2.8 Update


My syncing with my P800 Sony Ericsson doesn't seem to work anymore after
this update :-(

Fortunately iSync 1.2 is just around the corner.

Anyone who relies on syncing a lot might want to sit this one out or at
least have backup copies of his syncing files. For a while anyway.

Everything else seems OK.

Brett Carboni
Tsunami
"Swell Succinctly Synced Sushi"


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RE: Mac OS 10.2.8 Update

[Kay, Richard]

Interestingly, since loading 10.2.8 yesterday by modem connection to BigPond 
has changed from 48000bps to 52000bps (I think bps is the correct term but you 
know what I mean) and the speed of Safari seems to have dramatically improved 
as well. Any other observations from anyone else?

R.K.

-Original Message-
From: Brett Carboni [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, 24 September 2003 2:27 AM
To: WAMUG Mailing List
Subject: Re: Mac OS 10.2.8 Update


My syncing with my P800 Sony Ericsson doesn't seem to work anymore after
this update :-(

Fortunately iSync 1.2 is just around the corner.

Anyone who relies on syncing a lot might want to sit this one out or at
least have backup copies of his syncing files. For a while anyway.

Everything else seems OK.

Brett Carboni
Tsunami
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Re: Mac OS 10.2.8 Update

[Brett Carboni]

My syncing with my P800 Sony Ericsson doesn't seem to work anymore after
this update :-(

Fortunately iSync 1.2 is just around the corner.

Anyone who relies on syncing a lot might want to sit this one out or at
least have backup copies of his syncing files. For a while anyway.

Everything else seems OK.

Brett Carboni
Tsunami
"Swell Succinctly Synced Sushi"