Changing user name
I recently installed a larger boot disk in my G5/Leopard and successfully Installed an uptodate 10.5.8 and migrated everything from the old one. However, for a variety of reasons I have finished up with a user name I would like to change back to what I want. How to do this is well documented as for example at http://www.ehow.com/how_6834318_do-leopard-there-new-owner_.html I follow the various steps, logged in as root user, and all goes fine until creating the new account. Name is OK, so is shortname and setting password. Create Account flags the short name as already in use, as is correct but it does not get to ask if I wish to use this Home Folder for the new account. What am I missing here? Severin Crisp Assoc Professor R Severin Crisp, FIP, CPhys, FAIP 15 Thomas St, Mount Clarence, Albany, 6330, Western Australia. Phone (08) 9842 1950 (Int'l +61 8 9842 1950) email mailto:sevcr...@westnet.com.au -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:wamug-unsubscr...@wamug.org.au
Re: Domain Name Registration / Web Hosting
Hi I can highly recommend MacHighwayhttps://customers.machighway.com/aff.php?aff=280 They are a great supporter of the Geraldton Macintosh User Grouphttp://www.gmug.org.au/ and I have recommended hosting packages to several of my clients. -- Regards Kyle - Kyle Kreusch: - This E-Mail Was Dictated Using MacSpeech Dictate, [i] - On Sat, Nov 27, 2010 at 1:50 PM, Steven Knowles emai...@knowles.net.auwrote: I have domain registrations and rent a VPS via http://www.dotinfohosting.com - I've had no probs, and represent good value for money from the looking around I did at the time. Cheers, Steven On 27/11/2010, at 1:15 PM, cm wrote: Hello all, I notice that the previous time this was asked was in 2005 so I just wanted to ask the group again for its received wisdom about domain name registration and web hosting. I am looking register a domain name and have the associated web site hosted. The site will be interactive and require an application server such as GlassFish to run JSF, or similar. Mac or Linux box would be preferred. Do you still think it a good idea to register with http://www.netregistry.com.au ? Or are there arguments to register a cheap .com domain name with http://www.namecheap.com ? I don't know if he is still active in the group, but Phillip McGree was recommending http://www.bottle.com.au Does anyone else have an opinion on them? Any advice or anecdotes about experiences would be greatly appreciated. Cheers, Carlo -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:wamug-unsubscr...@wamug.org.au -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:wamug-unsubscr...@wamug.org.au
Re: Changing user name
Hi Severin, I¹m working from memory here so regard it as ideas rather than gospel ;o) If I understand you correctly you are wanting to change the User Name (ie the long name) but not the short name. In that case, I think you would not want to create a new user you would just change the Account name in the System prefs ³accounts² pane. The short name is what OSX uses for, for example, to name your home folder and is what identifies the user. The procedure you linked to is for when you want to change the short name (and presumably the long name as well) you rename the user folder to the new short name, create a new user with the new short name and then tell it to use the existing (renamed) folder for the new account. Please forgive if I have missed the point or misunderstood you. Cheers Neil -- Neil R. Houghton Albany, Western Australia Tel: +61 8 9841 6063 Email: n...@possumology.com on 27/11/10 4:38 PM, Severin Crisp at sevcr...@westnet.com.au wrote: I recently installed a larger boot disk in my G5/Leopard and successfully Installed an uptodate 10.5.8 and migrated everything from the old one. However, for a variety of reasons I have finished up with a user name I would like to change back to what I want. How to do this is well documented as for example at http://www.ehow.com/how_6834318_do-leopard-there-new-owner_.html I follow the various steps, logged in as root user, and all goes fine until creating the new account. Name is OK, so is shortname and setting password. Create Account flags the short name as already in use, as is correct but it does not get to ask if I wish to use this Home Folder for the new account. What am I missing here? Severin Crisp Assoc Professor R Severin Crisp, FIP, CPhys, FAIP 15 Thomas St, Mount Clarence, Albany, 6330, Western Australia. Phone (08) 9842 1950 (Int'l +61 8 9842 1950) email mailto:sevcr...@westnet.com.au -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:wamug-unsubscr...@wamug.org.au
Re: Changing user name
Got it in one, thanks Neil, now why did I not see it that way! I plead advancing years! Kind regards Severin On 27/11/2010, at 7:00 PM, Neil Houghton wrote: Hi Severin, I’m working from memory here – so regard it as ideas rather than gospel ;o) If I understand you correctly you are wanting to change the User Name (ie the long name) but not the short name. In that case, I think you would not want to create a new user – you would just change the Account name in the System prefs “accounts” pane. The short name is what OSX uses for, for example, to name your home folder and is what identifies the user. The procedure you linked to is for when you want to change the short name (and presumably the long name as well) – you rename the user folder to the new short name, create a new user with the new short name and then tell it to use the existing (renamed) folder for the new account. Please forgive if I have missed the point or misunderstood you. Cheers Neil -- Neil R. Houghton Albany, Western Australia Tel: +61 8 9841 6063 Email: n...@possumology.com on 27/11/10 4:38 PM, Severin Crisp at sevcr...@westnet.com.au wrote: I recently installed a larger boot disk in my G5/Leopard and successfully Installed an uptodate 10.5.8 and migrated everything from the old one. However, for a variety of reasons I have finished up with a user name I would like to change back to what I want. How to do this is well documented as for example at http://www.ehow.com/how_6834318_do-leopard-there-new-owner_.html I follow the various steps, logged in as root user, and all goes fine until creating the new account. Name is OK, so is shortname and setting password. Create Account flags the short name as already in use, as is correct but it does not get to ask if I wish to use this Home Folder for the new account. What am I missing here? Severin Crisp Assoc Professor R Severin Crisp, FIP, CPhys, FAIP 15 Thomas St, Mount Clarence, Albany, 6330, Western Australia. Phone (08) 9842 1950 (Int'l +61 8 9842 1950) email mailto:sevcr...@westnet.com.au -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:wamug-unsubscr...@wamug.org.au Assoc Professor R Severin Crisp, FIP, CPhys, FAIP 15 Thomas St, Mount Clarence, Albany, 6330, Western Australia. Phone (08) 9842 1950 (Int'l +61 8 9842 1950) email mailto:sevcr...@westnet.com.au -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:wamug-unsubscr...@wamug.org.au
Re: Changing user name
On 27/11/2010, at 11:12 PM, Severin Crisp wrote: Got it in one, thanks Neil, now why did I not see it that way! I plead advancing years! Kind regards Severin Hey Severin, Don't be hard on yourself. Advancing years is a 'privilege' not an 'excuse' ;-) … especially for a man who graduated with BSc (Hons) in Physics and went on to complete a PhD. Plus numerous achievements throughout the years. Cheers, Ronni 17 MacBook Pro Intel Core i7 2.66GHz / 8GB / 1067 MHz DDR3 / 500GB Serial ATA Drive @ 7200rpm OS X 10.6.4 Snow Leopard Windows 7 Ultimate (under sufferance) -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:wamug-unsubscr...@wamug.org.au
For sale: Macbook Air C2D 1.6Ghz/2GB/80GB HD
Hi everyone, I have a Macbook Air for sale - 13 LCD 1.6Ghz Core 2 Duo 2GB RAM 80GB HD illuminated keyboard, web camera recently (last month!) upgraded battery mint condition - wrist and topcase clear matte protectors installed balance of applecare warranty (to Feb 2011) Mac OS X 10.6 Snow Leopard and iLife '09 installed Toffee Leather slip case included Original box and DVDs no longer needed as the wife wanted a smaller computer (!!) Asking price $800 local pickup/delivery after hours in perth metro area. Local (WA) buyers preferred due to auspost rules over lithium ion batteries I also have a macbook air DVD drive available for $50 for purchase with computer only. The plastic over the cord is frayed but works fine. It was purchased with the computer so applecare applies (if purchaser doesn't mind waiting till I get to the Apple store I can get it replaced once stock is available, or the purchaser has until feb 2011 to take it in to the apple store for a free replacement) Please email me off list if interested c...@mac.com Thanks! Dave Choy -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:wamug-unsubscr...@wamug.org.au
Re: Domain Name Registration / Web Hosting
Thanks all for the informative replies! I'll spend a week or two evaluating the alternatives. Cheers, Carlo On 2010-11-27, at 16:47, Kyle Kreusch wrote: Hi I can highly recommend MacHighway They are a great supporter of the Geraldton Macintosh User Group and I have recommended hosting packages to several of my clients. -- Regards Kyle - Kyle Kreusch: - This E-Mail Was Dictated Using MacSpeech Dictate, [i] - On Sat, Nov 27, 2010 at 1:50 PM, Steven Knowles emai...@knowles.net.au wrote: I have domain registrations and rent a VPS via http://www.dotinfohosting.com - I've had no probs, and represent good value for money from the looking around I did at the time. Cheers, Steven On 27/11/2010, at 1:15 PM, cm wrote: Hello all, I notice that the previous time this was asked was in 2005 so I just wanted to ask the group again for its received wisdom about domain name registration and web hosting. I am looking register a domain name and have the associated web site hosted. The site will be interactive and require an application server such as GlassFish to run JSF, or similar. Mac or Linux box would be preferred. Do you still think it a good idea to register with http://www.netregistry.com.au ? Or are there arguments to register a cheap .com domain name with http://www.namecheap.com ? I don't know if he is still active in the group, but Phillip McGree was recommending http://www.bottle.com.au Does anyone else have an opinion on them? Any advice or anecdotes about experiences would be greatly appreciated. Cheers, Carlo -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:wamug-unsubscr...@wamug.org.au -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:wamug-unsubscr...@wamug.org.au
Re: Domain Name Registration / Web Hosting
On 27/11/2010, at 11:15 AM, cm wrote: I am looking register a domain name and have the associated web site hosted. The site will be interactive and require an application server such as GlassFish to run JSF, or similar. Mac or Linux box would be preferred. Do you still think it a good idea to register with http://www.netregistry.com.au ? Or are there arguments to register a cheap .com domain name with http://www.namecheap.com ? I don't know if he is still active in the group, but Phillip McGree was recommending http://www.bottle.com.au Does anyone else have an opinion on them? Any advice or anecdotes about experiences would be greatly appreciated. We register quite a few domains on behalf of clients, and over the years have used a dozen or so registrars. With quite few we have had minor problems, but almost never significant enough to result in the domain not being set up correctly. Our current favoured registrar is Webcity - they are cheaper than most, they use Enetica (a long-established company) to do the actual registration, and their domain management interface is OK. Netregistry is a very well-established company but they can be VERY expensive, particularly for any related services. Hosting is a much more complex decision, and depends greatly on what you plan to do. Some of the USA based hosting companies give you enormous amounts of resources (lots of storage space, multiple sites, many email addresses, endless sub-domains, lots of applications, etc.) for a similar price to many local companies which offer very limited features (for example one web site, few email addresses and subdomains charged extra, etc.). However if you do not want multiple sites and the other stuff, a local company might be suitable. It seems to me that your first task is to ensure that GlassFish or whatever you need is available from any prospective hosting service - I am not familiar with it but many hosting services may not support it. Lots of hosting services offer a choice of Unix or Windows, Mac is much less common. Regards Geoff -- Geoff and Kaye k...@kgweb.org.au -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:wamug-unsubscr...@wamug.org.au
Re: Changing user name
Thanks for those kind thoughts, Ronni! I have now really recovered my self esteem and composure and will continue to enjoy the privilege of advancing years from now on - reinforced by getting to the nice sounding double seven on Tuesday. Severin On 28/11/2010, at 9:42 AM, Ronda Brown wrote: On 27/11/2010, at 11:12 PM, Severin Crisp wrote: Got it in one, thanks Neil, now why did I not see it that way! I plead advancing years! Kind regards Severin Hey Severin, Don't be hard on yourself. Advancing years is a 'privilege' not an 'excuse' ;-) … especially for a man who graduated with BSc (Hons) in Physics and went on to complete a PhD. Plus numerous achievements throughout the years. Cheers, Ronni 17 MacBook Pro Intel Core i7 2.66GHz / 8GB / 1067 MHz DDR3 / 500GB Serial ATA Drive @ 7200rpm OS X 10.6.4 Snow Leopard Windows 7 Ultimate (under sufferance) -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:wamug-unsubscr...@wamug.org.au Assoc Professor R Severin Crisp, FIP, CPhys, FAIP 15 Thomas St, Mount Clarence, Albany, 6330, Western Australia. Phone (08) 9842 1950 (Int'l +61 8 9842 1950) email mailto:sevcr...@westnet.com.au -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:wamug-unsubscr...@wamug.org.au
Re: Changing user name
Hi Severin, Wow … 77 Sunset Strip … now you have me reminiscing ;-) Aaahh, Stu Bailey (Efrem Zimbalist jr) Kookie (Edd Byrnes) in the TV Series. I also had matching double digits this year, but I'm not about to let all WAMUG know which one :o) Unless you know the meaning of double-digit numbers? The meaning of my double-digits is Generous to a fault, this number brings financial ups and downs. It is extremely loyal and loving. Often successful in spite of itself. he he hee Happy 77 on Tuesday! Cheers, Ronni On 28/11/2010, at 11:42 AM, Severin Crisp wrote: Thanks for those kind thoughts, Ronni! I have now really recovered my self esteem and composure and will continue to enjoy the privilege of advancing years from now on - reinforced by getting to the nice sounding double seven on Tuesday. Severin On 28/11/2010, at 9:42 AM, Ronda Brown wrote: On 27/11/2010, at 11:12 PM, Severin Crisp wrote: Got it in one, thanks Neil, now why did I not see it that way! I plead advancing years! Kind regards Severin Hey Severin, Don't be hard on yourself. Advancing years is a 'privilege' not an 'excuse' ;-) … especially for a man who graduated with BSc (Hons) in Physics and went on to complete a PhD. Plus numerous achievements throughout the years. Cheers, Ronni 17 MacBook Pro Intel Core i7 2.66GHz / 8GB / 1067 MHz DDR3 / 500GB Serial ATA Drive @ 7200rpm OS X 10.6.4 Snow Leopard Windows 7 Ultimate (under sufferance) -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:wamug-unsubscr...@wamug.org.au
new iPhone
My wife is giving me an iPhone for my birthday (71 tomorrow :-(). We are looking at the $49. Telstra plan which gives 1Gb of data. I will not be playing games or downloading video etc. Is 1Gb enough for an oldie like me? regards Kevin -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:wamug-unsubscr...@wamug.org.au
Rockmelt:new Browser - integrates facebook etc
http://www.rockmelt.com/ RockMelt does more than just navigate Web pages. It makes it easy for you to do the things you do every single day on the Web: share and keep up with your friends, stay up-to-date on news and information, and search. And of course, RockMelt is fast, secure, and stable because it’s built on Chromium, the open source project behind Google’s Chrome browser. It’s your browser – re-imagined and built for how you use the Web. -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:wamug-unsubscr...@wamug.org.au inline: image.gif Rod Blitvich - Amy Sam’s Dad . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 0409 681 256 rb...@iinet.net.au http://web.me.com/blitto I haven't lost my mind.. ...it's backed up on disk somewhere!
Re: new iPhone
Hi Kevin, You lucky man. I get by very happily on 200mb, and often don't use half of that. All my emails come onto the iphone and I never worry about data limits wanting to surf the net, get mapping etc, or what I want to do data usage wise. 1Gb will be plenty indeed. Tim On 28/11/2010, at 11:24 AM, KEVIN Lock wrote: My wife is giving me an iPhone for my birthday (71 tomorrow :-(). We are looking at the $49. Telstra plan which gives 1Gb of data. I will not be playing games or downloading video etc. Is 1Gb enough for an oldie like me? regards Kevin -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:wamug-unsubscr...@wamug.org.au -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:wamug-unsubscr...@wamug.org.au
Re: new iPhone
Hi Kevin, I think that 1 GB will be ample. I have a 1 GB Vodafone plan. I am a frequent user (this email for instance) but in over a year I have not maxed out my quota. You can also set the iPhone to connect to a wireless router at home but I have disabled wireless to get more use of my phone data plan quota and to get a longer battery life. Cheers, Carlo On 28/11/2010, at 11:24, KEVIN Lock kal...@iinet.net.au wrote: My wife is giving me an iPhone for my birthday (71 tomorrow :-(). We are looking at the $49. Telstra plan which gives 1Gb of data. I will not be playing games or downloading video etc. Is 1Gb enough for an oldie like me? regards Kevin -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:wamug-unsubscr...@wamug.org.au -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:wamug-unsubscr...@wamug.org.au
Delete my name
Hello, Please will someone delete my name from the mailing list,as I no longer wish to continue this at the moment. regards Helen Griffiths -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:wamug-unsubscr...@wamug.org.au
Re: Delete my name
Look at the bottom of the emails. Just unsubscribe. Cheers Mike On 28/11/2010, at 2:30 PM, helen griffths wrote: Hello, Please will someone delete my name from the mailing list,as I no longer wish to continue this at the moment. regards Helen Griffiths -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:wamug-unsubscr...@wamug.org.au -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:wamug-unsubscr...@wamug.org.au
Re: Delete my name
You are the only one that can do that, just click on the Unsubscribe link at the bottom of this message. Adrian http://www.skehan.id.au/ On 28/11/2010, at 2:30 PM, helen griffths wrote: Hello, Please will someone delete my name from the mailing list,as I no longer wish to continue this at the moment. regards Helen Griffiths -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:wamug-unsubscr...@wamug.org.au -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:wamug-unsubscr...@wamug.org.au
Re: Changing user name
Ronni I think you are emerging from a year of needing to balance freedom and domestic (WAMUG?) affairs. May you retain the balance in spite of being generous to a fault in the coming year. Merv On Sun28Nov Sun28Nov12:29 PM, Ronda Brown wrote: Hi Severin, Wow … 77 Sunset Strip … now you have me reminiscing ;-) Aaahh, Stu Bailey (Efrem Zimbalist jr) Kookie (Edd Byrnes) in the TV Series. I also had matching double digits this year, but I'm not about to let all WAMUG know which one :o) Unless you know the meaning of double-digit numbers? The meaning of my double-digits is Generous to a fault, this number brings financial ups and downs. It is extremely loyal and loving. Often successful in spite of itself. he he hee Happy 77 on Tuesday! Cheers, Ronni On 28/11/2010, at 11:42 AM, Severin Crisp wrote: Thanks for those kind thoughts, Ronni! I have now really recovered my self esteem and composure and will continue to enjoy the privilege of advancing years from now on - reinforced by getting to the nice sounding double seven on Tuesday. Severin On 28/11/2010, at 9:42 AM, Ronda Brown wrote: On 27/11/2010, at 11:12 PM, Severin Crisp wrote: Got it in one, thanks Neil, now why did I not see it that way! I plead advancing years! Kind regards Severin Hey Severin, Don't be hard on yourself. Advancing years is a 'privilege' not an 'excuse' ;-) … especially for a man who graduated with BSc (Hons) in Physics and went on to complete a PhD. Plus numerous achievements throughout the years. Cheers, Ronni 17 MacBook Pro Intel Core i7 2.66GHz / 8GB / 1067 MHz DDR3 / 500GB Serial ATA Drive @ 7200rpm OS X 10.6.4 Snow Leopard Windows 7 Ultimate (under sufferance) -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives -http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines -http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe -mailto:wamug-unsubscr...@wamug.org.au -- Education without values and knowledge without ethics is a false education. -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:wamug-unsubscr...@wamug.org.au
