Re: Iviewfox - stopped working

[Yansky .]

Hi, I just found this thread via google. I'll try to answer some
questions you guys have;

You no longer need to do the terminal command stuff when you install
the extension. It was needed in earlier versions in order to fix OSX
file/folder permissions in the addon directory. I've since found a way
to do this automatically through the plugin when it's installed.
The extension should work fine in Firefox 3.6. I tested it before I
uploaded it in Firefox 3.6 and Firefox 4 on OSX and Windows 7.
The extension works as follows - It gets the file info it needs from
the ABC API urls, then writes that info to the b.command file. Then it
executes the b.command file which passes the file download info to the
rtmpdump binary located in the rtmpdump folder in the extension
folder.
The rtmpdump program is the thing that does most of the heavy lifting.
It's the thing that connects to the abc and streams the file to
download to your hard drive.
The binaries of rtmpdump in the iViewfox extension were compiled by me
from the source: http://rtmpdump.mplayerhq.hu/ as the developers
unfortunately don't provide them for OSX. One of the most important
parts to compiling the rtmpdump is SSL libraries. Unfortunately, OSX
10.5 uses out of date SSL libraries, so that can sometimes make it not
work on systems before 10.6. I compiled my binaries with a static
library called PolarSSL to try and get around this, but I think it may
still be an issue. Here are some older compiles I did if you'd like to
play around with them:
http://forboden.com/coding/rtmpdump-2.2d-IntelOSX32bit-Build-PolarSSL.zip
http://forboden.com/coding/rtmpdump-2.2d-IntelOSX64bit-Build-PolarSSL.zip
http://forboden.com/coding/rtmpdump-2.2d-PPC-Build-PolarSSL.zip
The extension removes the version number setting when it's uninstalled
but leaves all the rest of the settings if they've been modified by
the user. I can get it to remove/reset all of the settings on
uninstallation if you prefer.

There is also a command line downloader available if you're
comfortable using the Terminal:
http://localhostr.com/download/LI9tK5B/iView_Downloader_OSX_V7.0.zip
The advantage of using the command line version is that you're able to
use the resume feature. (there's no easy way for me to implement the
resume feature in the iViewfox extension)

Also remember that if you're with iiNet, you need to access the iView
site directly, not via the freezone portal.

The NSQuickDrawView Quartz error that was mentioned doesn't have
anything to do with the addon.
rg.mozilla.firefox[1000]: 2011-03-28 14:04:19.648
plugin-container[1003:903]
That means it was a plugin that caused the error, not an addon. You
can check which plugins you have installed by going to about:plugins
in the url bar.

If you'd like to watch the videos on your iPad, you can use ffmpeg to
extract the mp4 video from the flash container. I've made an extension
to help you do that:
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/flvuncontainer/

There's also a channel 7 downloader:
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-us/firefox/addon/plus7fox/

If you're feeling really adventurous, you could try getting Jeremy
Visser's great Python-iView app working on OSX. I've detailed the
steps here: 
https://jeremy.visser.name/2009/08/30/python-iview/comment-page-5/#comment-6382

Cheers,
Yansky.



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Re: Confusion with Firewire External HD Practice

[Neil Houghton]

Hi Alan,

Just my 2c worth - others may agree/disagree.

My iMac is so wonderfully quiet that I find the sound of running external
drives (firewire or USB) extremely distracting and prefer to have them
powered down when not in use. My prefered method is slightly different for
USB and firewire:



Firewire:

I too have two WD MyBook firewire drives, albeit of different
models/vintages. I prefer to leave them plugged in (both power and firewire)
and I have them daisy-chained. As you have noted, the drives will sleep with
'heartbeats' of slow flashing LEDs (though I find this is the case whether
daisy-chained or not) - however, you can "switch" then off even though they
do not have specific on/off switches on the housing - the method is
basically the same for both my units - even though the specific hardware is
different:

> My "old" unit is a two-drive MyBook Pro Edition II, which has two concentric
> blue LED rings, which supposedly perform various functions, when sleeping, the
> outer ring slowly pulses. To switch it off:
> 
> 1. Make sure the disk is unmounted (all volumes if, like me, you have it
> formatted with more than one).
> 2. Press and hold the central  button - the light goes bright and does a few
> things and then goes out - at this point, release the button (if you hold it
> too long it may start up again).
> 3. Next time you want to use the disk, just press the centre button again and
> it will spin-up and mount.

> My newer unit is a MyBook Studio Edition (firewire, eSATA & usb) with a
> longitudinal LED ³stripe²  which again slowly pulses when sleeping. To switch
> it off:
> 
> 1. Make sure the disk is unmounted (all volumes if, like me, you have it
> formatted with more than one).
> 2. Press and hold the power  button on the back of the case - the light comes
> on for a few seconds and then goes out - at this point, release the button (if
> you hold it too long it may start up again).
> 3. Next time you want to use the disk, just press the power button again and
> it will spin-up and mount.
 
One thing to note ­ if the drive is mounted but sleeping, unmounting it will
first wake it, then unmount it, then sleep it ­ let this cycle complete
before using the button to switch off.

I don¹t think this uses any specific WD SmartDrive software ­ I certainly
don¹t use any and I can¹t see any in my applications or utilities folders.

In the past, I have certainly found firewire to be ³picky² with
connection/power-up sequences ­ but have no problems with the method
outlined above.



USB

Again, I prefer to leave them plugged in (both power and USB) but find that
most USB housings tend to have power switches ­ so I just unmount and then,
when the drive spins down, switch-off at the drive case. When I want to use
again, switch on and the drive powers up and mounts.

Having said that, I find with USB that it seems to work whether I connect
and power-up or power-up and connect ­ it just seems ³nicer² to use the
switch on the case and leave it connected (or switch it off and then
connect/disconnect).



HTH


Cheers




Neil
-- 
Neil R. Houghton
Albany, Western Australia
Tel: +61 8 9841 6063
Email: n...@possumology.com



on 8/4/11 1:01 PM, Alan Smith at sma...@iinet.net.au wrote:

> 
> What is the best way to power and connect external Firewire drives?   There is
> conflicting and ambiguous advice from Apple support articles, Apple discussion
> groups, and WAMUG archives.  My specific questions follow.
> 
> I use a 1TB Firewire WD 'My Book Studio for Mac' for Time Machine.   Very
> happy with the trouble-free experience after previous unreliable performance
> from two USB (WD and Maxtor) drives.   So I bought a second Firewire drive and
> daisy-chained it for storing video files (linked to iTunes for Apple TV2
> access).   I do not use (did not install) the WD SmartWare facility.
>  
> Q1:With the iMac in sleep mode, each of the two drives seem to have
> permanent alternating 'heartbeats' of slow flashing LEDs  when daisychained.
> Is this normal?   (With just one drive connected there is no LED activity.)
> 
> Q2:   The second (Video) drive is used infrequently, say once a week for few
> hours.   I would like to completely disconnect it (power and firewire cables)
> between usages.  Given its links to iTunes, assumed low power consumption and
> zero disc activity, is removal a good, bad, or neutral action?
> 
> Q3:   Apple Firewire FAQs at  http://support.apple.com/kb/TA26476  says (q7):
> "Avoid plugging in live power adapters into devices connected to the chain".
> The topic also says that individual chained devices can be turned on and off
> as needed.  The My Book Studio drives have individual power packs but do not
> have inbuilt on-off switches.  There is a switch function but it apparently
> only works in conjunction with the SmartDrive software.  'Turning on' a drive
> thus means plugging in a power pack and starting up the drive from cold.
> 
> My assumption of required actions is that an

Confusion with Firewire External HD Practice

[Alan Smith]

What is the best way to power and connect external Firewire drives?   There is 
conflicting and ambiguous advice from Apple support articles, Apple discussion 
groups, and WAMUG archives.  My specific questions follow.

I use a 1TB Firewire WD 'My Book Studio for Mac' for Time Machine.   Very happy 
with the trouble-free experience after previous unreliable performance from two 
USB (WD and Maxtor) drives.   So I bought a second Firewire drive and 
daisy-chained it for storing video files (linked to iTunes for Apple TV2 
access).   I do not use (did not install) the WD SmartWare facility.   
 
Q1:With the iMac in sleep mode, each of the two drives seem to have 
permanent alternating 'heartbeats' of slow flashing LEDs  when daisychained.
Is this normal?   (With just one drive connected there is no LED activity.)

Q2:   The second (Video) drive is used infrequently, say once a week for few 
hours.   I would like to completely disconnect it (power and firewire cables) 
between usages.  Given its links to iTunes, assumed low power consumption and 
zero disc activity, is removal a good, bad, or neutral action?

Q3:   Apple Firewire FAQs at  http://support.apple.com/kb/TA26476  says (q7):  
"Avoid plugging in live power adapters into devices connected to the chain".   
The topic also says that individual chained devices can be turned on and off as 
needed.  The My Book Studio drives have individual power packs but do not have 
inbuilt on-off switches.  There is a switch function but it apparently only 
works in conjunction with the SmartDrive software.  'Turning on' a drive thus 
means plugging in a power pack and starting up the drive from cold.   

My assumption of required actions is that any new Firewire device should be 
plugged into the mains power supply and activated before connecting its 
Firewire cable into the (live) chain.  Disconnection steps are to eject the 
drive, unplug the Firewire cable, then unplug the power pack.Are these 
connect/disconnect steps correct?

Q4   Is it best to connect a 'hot' or 'cold' device to the Firewire port; and 
are there different recommendations  for plugging into the 'port' and 'chain'?

Recent WAMUG advice was to use a hot lead.   Advice from a few years ago, 
citing an external reference, was to connect the cable first and THEN activate 
the device.Advice from the Apple Support FAQ article (q6) becomes ambiguous 
when read too many times: "In practice ... most devices profit from being 
turned on at the time they are connected."   I think Apple assume the devices 
are powered from the computer port and have local on-off switches.

Q5:Finally, should a USB hard drive with power pack (for my weekly 
SuperDuper backup) be powered up first and then plugged 'hot' into a USB port?  
 

With thanks in advance for your careful considerations!

Regards, Alan

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Re: Appleworks (show real fonts)

[Kevin Lock]

Daniel,

Thanks for thatso simple; a bit like me!

regards

Kevin


On 07/04/2011, at 2:00 PM, Daniel Kerr wrote:



Hi Kevin

You can actually make the fonts show up in the "actual font".
If you go to the Appleworks menu then to Preferences then to General.
Under "Topic" you need to change it to General too (if it doesn't go  
there

straight away).
On the right hand side you'll see "Options". Tick the box for "Font  
Menu In

Actual Font". Click OK

And there you go.
Fonts will now show up for real.
Just beware, if you have a lot of fonts, it can take a while to a)  
read them

at the start of setting it up and b) when you go the Text - Font menu

Hope that helps.

Kind Regards
Daniel


On 7/4/11 1:24 PM, "Kevin Lock"  wrote:


I am still using Appleworks 6 on PPC macs.  Lightening fast starting
up for word processing compared to M$Word.  I would have liked to see
the list of fonts viewed in actuality though.

Kevin


On 07/04/2011, at 1:01 PM, James / Hans Kunz wrote:


please let me know if there is an official funeral for appleworks, i
have to attend
i was using it during the apple2 times in 1980s & clariswork on the
first 2 macs & as appleworks again on a mac clone 'umax' towards the
end of the 90s until 2004, appleworks must be 31 years old by  
now.

James

SAD Technic
U3 6 Chalkley Pl
Bayswater WA
Australia
+618 9370 5307
mob 0414 421132 (international +614 14421132)
sad...@iinet.net.au
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Patience and perseverance have a magical effect before which
difficulties disappear and obstacles vanish.

On 07/04/2011, at 10:06 AM, Geoff and Kaye wrote:



Yes, Appleworks will be sorely missed. We mostly use the
spreadsheet and drawing and painting functions. I doubt if it came
from outside Apple; I think it probably arose when someone at Apple
realised that they could combine the original MacPaint and MacDraw
with a word processor and the other functions into one program. The
problem was that even in doing that, they discarded very useful
features - for example MacDraw had layers, which could be "paint"
or "draw" layers with a range of options to collapse them to
produce the final view - a very powerful approach which I have not
come across in any current software.

The other interesting thing about ClarisWorks was that they made a
PC version - I used to use it at work where I did not have access
to a Mac. I do not think it made a big impression in the PC world,
however; even if the typical PC user could see its advantages, they
often had a pathological inhibition about buying anything created
by Apple.




On 06/04/2011, at 4:09 PM, David Noel wrote:

-- Looking back, it seems to me that Appleworks is, (or soon to  
be,
was), one of the most extraordinary and powerful computer  
programs

ever created. And it was free! I'm not sure of its origins, I
have a
feeling that Apple bought the original version from an outside
company, but later put a huge amount into later versions.





Geoff
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Re: Appleworks

[Jon Bjorn Jonsson]

I just can't stop using AppleWorks. I can produce work far more more quickly
than with any other applicaton. I'm trying to make more use of Pages but
keep reverting to AppleWorks. Even went so far as to buy a Windows version
from the US so that I could make more use of it at school. I just miss the
search function from the Clippings.
I still have my students using it and many seem to prefer it over MS Office.

Jon

On 7 April 2011 14:12, Merv Bond  wrote:

>
> Still running AW 6.2.9 on intel iMac OS10.5.8 using the database and
> exchanging data base files with a PC person using Windows 7 and running AW
> 6.2.1 to maintain our membership information plus mail merge and labels.
> Crashes if one chooses Show Starting Points!!
> Merv
>
>
> On Thu7Apr2011 Thu7Apr1:24 PM, Kevin Lock wrote:
>
>> I am still using Appleworks 6 on PPC macs. Lightening fast starting up
>> for word processing compared to M$Word. I would have liked to see the
>> list of fonts viewed in actuality though.
>>
>> Kevin
>>
>>
>> On 07/04/2011, at 1:01 PM, James / Hans Kunz wrote:
>>
>>  please let me know if there is an official funeral for appleworks, i
>>> have to attend
>>> i was using it during the apple2 times in 1980s & clariswork on the
>>> first 2 macs & as appleworks again on a mac clone 'umax' towards the
>>> end of the 90s until 2004, appleworks must be 31 years old by now.
>>> James
>>>
>>> SAD Technic
>>> U3 6 Chalkley Pl
>>> Bayswater WA
>>> Australia
>>> +618 9370 5307
>>> mob 0414 421132 (international +614 14421132)
>>> sad...@iinet.net.au 
>>>
>>> http://www.members.iinet.net.au/~saddas/
>>>
>>> Patience and perseverance have a magical effect before which
>>> difficulties disappear and obstacles vanish.
>>>
>>> On 07/04/2011, at 10:06 AM, Geoff and Kaye wrote:
>>>
>>>
 Yes, Appleworks will be sorely missed. We mostly use the spreadsheet
 and drawing and painting functions. I doubt if it came from outside
 Apple; I think it probably arose when someone at Apple realised that
 they could combine the original MacPaint and MacDraw with a word
 processor and the other functions into one program. The problem was
 that even in doing that, they discarded very useful features - for
 example MacDraw had layers, which could be "paint" or "draw" layers
 with a range of options to collapse them to produce the final view -
 a very powerful approach which I have not come across in any current
 software.

 The other interesting thing about ClarisWorks was that they made a PC
 version - I used to use it at work where I did not have access to a
 Mac. I do not think it made a big impression in the PC world,
 however; even if the typical PC user could see its advantages, they
 often had a pathological inhibition about buying anything created by
 Apple.


>
> On 06/04/2011, at 4:09 PM, David Noel wrote:
>
>  -- Looking back, it seems to me that Appleworks is, (or soon to be,
>> was), one of the most extraordinary and powerful computer programs
>> ever created. And it was free! I'm not sure of its origins, I have a
>> feeling that Apple bought the original version from an outside
>> company, but later put a huge amount into later versions.
>>
>
>

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Re: call recording on iPhone

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> On 07/04/2011, at 2:27 PM, David Hudleston wrote:
> 
>> 
>> I am a journo and need an app or something to plug into my iPhone
>> that will allow me to record interviews for later transcription.
>> 
>> I have a digital recorder connected to my landline phone but
>> occasionally I have to do interviews in the field by phone.
>> 
>> Can anybody suggest a suitable app or a plug-in device that will do
>> the job? (The person on the other end is always told the interview
>> is being recorded)
>> 
>> regards
>> David Hudleston
>> 

Hi David

There's quite a bit of info on this for the iPhone.
The google search "how to record calls on iPhone" netted the following:-


And the first link gave quite a few good apps and ways to do that.

Also, if you jump into iTunes, go to Apple Store then to Apps. Search call
record and you'll get a few there as well.
One that showed up straight away on my quick search was "CallRec.me" It's
free.

Easy!

Kind Regards
Daniel

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Re: call recording on iPhone

[Stuart Breden]

You have jumped the gun, David.  I was going to ask about this as well.

Stuart Breden
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Kalamunda WA 6926
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Mbl: 0417 053 266



On 07/04/2011, at 2:27 PM, David Hudleston wrote:



I am a journo and need an app or something to plug into my iPhone  
that will allow me to record interviews for later transcription.


I have a digital recorder connected to my landline phone but  
occasionally I have to do interviews in the field by phone.


Can anybody suggest a suitable app or a plug-in device that will do  
the job? (The person on the other end is always told the interview  
is being recorded)


regards
David Hudleston


















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Re: Appleworks (show real fonts)

[David Noel]

Kevin, you can read .doc and .docx files with the Pages module in
iWorks. Also, if you have a gmail address you can get such files sent
to you as attachments, and Gmail can open them, and you can save in a
neutral format.

Cheers --

David Noel
2011 Apr 7



On 7 April 2011 15:26, Kevin Lock  wrote:
>
> Thanks for that info DanielI'll stay with Appleworks6 as long as I stay
> with PPC.  Of course one does need M$ to read .doc stuff.
>
> Kev
>
> On 07/04/2011, at 2:00 PM, Daniel Kerr wrote:
>
>>
>> Hi Kevin
>>
>> You can actually make the fonts show up in the "actual font".
>> If you go to the Appleworks menu then to Preferences then to General.
>> Under "Topic" you need to change it to General too (if it doesn't go there
>> straight away).
>> On the right hand side you'll see "Options". Tick the box for "Font Menu
>> In
>> Actual Font". Click OK
>>
>> And there you go.
>> Fonts will now show up for real.
>> Just beware, if you have a lot of fonts, it can take a while to a) read
>> them
>> at the start of setting it up and b) when you go the Text - Font menu
>>
>> Hope that helps.
>>
>> Kind Regards
>> Daniel
>>
>>
>> On 7/4/11 1:24 PM, "Kevin Lock"  wrote:
>>
>>> I am still using Appleworks 6 on PPC macs.  Lightening fast starting
>>> up for word processing compared to M$Word.  I would have liked to see
>>> the list of fonts viewed in actuality though.
>>>
>>> Kevin
>>>
>>>
>>> On 07/04/2011, at 1:01 PM, James / Hans Kunz wrote:
>>>
 please let me know if there is an official funeral for appleworks, i
 have to attend
 i was using it during the apple2 times in 1980s & clariswork on the
 first 2 macs & as appleworks again on a mac clone 'umax' towards the
 end of the 90s until 2004, appleworks must be 31 years old by now.
 James

 SAD Technic
 U3 6 Chalkley Pl
 Bayswater WA
 Australia
 +618 9370 5307
 mob 0414 421132 (international +614 14421132)
 sad...@iinet.net.au
 http://www.members.iinet.net.au/~saddas/

 Patience and perseverance have a magical effect before which
 difficulties disappear and obstacles vanish.

 On 07/04/2011, at 10:06 AM, Geoff and Kaye wrote:

>
> Yes, Appleworks will be sorely missed. We mostly use the
> spreadsheet and drawing and painting functions. I doubt if it came
> from outside Apple; I think it probably arose when someone at Apple
> realised that they could combine the original MacPaint and MacDraw
> with a word processor and the other functions into one program. The
> problem was that even in doing that, they discarded very useful
> features - for example MacDraw had layers, which could be "paint"
> or "draw" layers with a range of options to collapse them to
> produce the final view - a very powerful approach which I have not
> come across in any current software.
>
> The other interesting thing about ClarisWorks was that they made a
> PC version - I used to use it at work where I did not have access
> to a Mac. I do not think it made a big impression in the PC world,
> however; even if the typical PC user could see its advantages, they
> often had a pathological inhibition about buying anything created
> by Apple.
>
>>
>>
>> On 06/04/2011, at 4:09 PM, David Noel wrote:
>>
>>> -- Looking back, it seems to me that Appleworks is, (or soon to be,
>>> was), one of the most extraordinary and powerful computer programs
>>> ever created. And it was free! I'm not sure of its origins, I
>>> have a
>>> feeling that Apple bought the original version from an outside
>>> company, but later put a huge amount into later versions.
>>
>
>
> Geoff
> --
> Geoff and Kaye
> k...@kgweb.org.au
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: Appleworks (show real fonts)

[Kevin Lock]

Thanks for that info DanielI'll stay with Appleworks6 as long as I  
stay with PPC.  Of course one does need M$ to read .doc stuff.


Kev

On 07/04/2011, at 2:00 PM, Daniel Kerr wrote:



Hi Kevin

You can actually make the fonts show up in the "actual font".
If you go to the Appleworks menu then to Preferences then to General.
Under "Topic" you need to change it to General too (if it doesn't go  
there

straight away).
On the right hand side you'll see "Options". Tick the box for "Font  
Menu In

Actual Font". Click OK

And there you go.
Fonts will now show up for real.
Just beware, if you have a lot of fonts, it can take a while to a)  
read them

at the start of setting it up and b) when you go the Text - Font menu

Hope that helps.

Kind Regards
Daniel


On 7/4/11 1:24 PM, "Kevin Lock"  wrote:


I am still using Appleworks 6 on PPC macs.  Lightening fast starting
up for word processing compared to M$Word.  I would have liked to see
the list of fonts viewed in actuality though.

Kevin


On 07/04/2011, at 1:01 PM, James / Hans Kunz wrote:


please let me know if there is an official funeral for appleworks, i
have to attend
i was using it during the apple2 times in 1980s & clariswork on the
first 2 macs & as appleworks again on a mac clone 'umax' towards the
end of the 90s until 2004, appleworks must be 31 years old by  
now.

James

SAD Technic
U3 6 Chalkley Pl
Bayswater WA
Australia
+618 9370 5307
mob 0414 421132 (international +614 14421132)
sad...@iinet.net.au
http://www.members.iinet.net.au/~saddas/

Patience and perseverance have a magical effect before which
difficulties disappear and obstacles vanish.

On 07/04/2011, at 10:06 AM, Geoff and Kaye wrote:



Yes, Appleworks will be sorely missed. We mostly use the
spreadsheet and drawing and painting functions. I doubt if it came
from outside Apple; I think it probably arose when someone at Apple
realised that they could combine the original MacPaint and MacDraw
with a word processor and the other functions into one program. The
problem was that even in doing that, they discarded very useful
features - for example MacDraw had layers, which could be "paint"
or "draw" layers with a range of options to collapse them to
produce the final view - a very powerful approach which I have not
come across in any current software.

The other interesting thing about ClarisWorks was that they made a
PC version - I used to use it at work where I did not have access
to a Mac. I do not think it made a big impression in the PC world,
however; even if the typical PC user could see its advantages, they
often had a pathological inhibition about buying anything created
by Apple.




On 06/04/2011, at 4:09 PM, David Noel wrote:

-- Looking back, it seems to me that Appleworks is, (or soon to  
be,
was), one of the most extraordinary and powerful computer  
programs

ever created. And it was free! I'm not sure of its origins, I
have a
feeling that Apple bought the original version from an outside
company, but later put a huge amount into later versions.





Geoff
--
Geoff and Kaye
k...@kgweb.org.au







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