A USB printer mystery

2011-08-05 Thread Severin Crisp
I have recently moved from a G5 to an iMac, which is a brilliant machine.  A 
bit of sorting out with my transferred items but now more or less sorted.  One 
odd quirk remains.  I have an Epson R2880 printer and after the move over I 
duly downloaded the Snow Leopard driver which is different from the Leopard 
version on the G5.  All installed in the usual way except that the printer 
stubbornly came up as offline.   After much hair tearing and fiddling I 
unplugged the printer from one of the four USB ports on the iMac and into a 
USB2 hub, plugged in to one of the iMac ports, and which services a number of 
other peripherals.  The printer immediately came on line and printed fine.  An 
Epson 1290 printer works fine in any of the USB sockets on the iMac so the 
sockets are fully functional.  Returning the R2880 to the iMac direct USB and 
it comes up offline again.  
What on earth is going on here?!!!
Severin Crisp

   Assoc Professor R Severin Crisp, FIP, CPhys, FAIP
   15 Thomas St, Mount Clarence, Albany, 6330, Western Australia.
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Re: A USB printer mystery

2011-08-05 Thread McCallum Malcolm
I have had the same problem in the past so will be interested in what turns up 
from the gurus.
Mac
Malcolm McCallum

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On 05/08/2011, at 3:44 PM, Severin Crisp wrote:

 I have recently moved from a G5 to an iMac, which is a brilliant machine.  A 
 bit of sorting out with my transferred items but now more or less sorted.  
 One odd quirk remains.  I have an Epson R2880 printer and after the move over 
 I duly downloaded the Snow Leopard driver which is different from the Leopard 
 version on the G5.  All installed in the usual way except that the printer 
 stubbornly came up as offline.   After much hair tearing and fiddling I 
 unplugged the printer from one of the four USB ports on the iMac and into a 
 USB2 hub, plugged in to one of the iMac ports, and which services a number of 
 other peripherals.  The printer immediately came on line and printed fine.  
 An Epson 1290 printer works fine in any of the USB sockets on the iMac so the 
 sockets are fully functional.  Returning the R2880 to the iMac direct USB and 
 it comes up offline again.  
 What on earth is going on here?!!!
 Severin Crisp
 
Assoc Professor R Severin Crisp, FIP, CPhys, FAIP
15 Thomas St, Mount Clarence, Albany, 6330, Western Australia.
 Phone  (08) 9842 1950   (Int'l +61 8 9842 1950)
 email  mailto:sevcr...@westnet.com.au  
 
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: OS 10.6.8/OS Lion Question

2011-08-05 Thread Robert Miller-Eves

HEELP!
I decided to try Carlo's  suggestion - Made a Carbon Cloner copy on ext. drive, 
Partitioned the internal Drive (Mac OS Extended(Journaled).Installed Lion on 
main System,Installed snow leopard on small partition and applicable soft ware.

Results!
Lion will not open as default -have to hold option on startup otherwise I get 
the spinning wheel and a circle with the diagonal line.
On startup with option I get the Lion Volume but no Snow Leopard Volume. The 
Leopard Volume does show up on the desktop in Lion.
tried running Disk Warrior on the Leopard Volume to no avail.
Checked out Spotlight Prefs in both systems.Need more help with that !
Please help.Thanks!

 
 Hi Robert,
 
 Just to add to what Ronda has said and to give you some other options. 
 Assuming you are migrating towards Lion on your iMac, you have a number of 
 options to run 10.6 Snow Leopard in an auxiliary role.
 
 Here is a setup that I recently put in place for someone with an iMac. A 
 large internal partition of the hard drive runs OS X 10.7 Lion and this 
 partition also contains all the data files, while a much smaller internal 
 partition contains OS X 10.6 Snow Leopard. Snow Leopard can see all the data 
 files available to Lion. To boot into Snow Leopard, one just restarts the 
 computer while holding down the Option key and one sees a selection menu to 
 choose either operating system. By default the computer boots into OS X 10.7 
 Lion.
 
 To get this setup proceed as follows. I will give just a thumbnail sketch of 
 the steps below, but if you want to proceed and can't follow the abbreviated 
 steps, please write back to the group.
 
 1) Make a clone of your system to an external drive using Carbon Copy Cloner 
 or equivalent, just to give you an exit strategy should something go wrong.
 2) Use Disk Utility to make a new small partition on your internal drive, 50 
 - 150 GB should be ample. Use the default Mac OS Extended (journaled) format.
 3) Run the Lion upgrade application to move your main system to OS X 10.7 
 Lion.
 4) Install a new copy of Snow Leopard on the small partition and install the 
 software you would like to run under Snow Leopard there.
 
 Now you can will boot into Lion by default but can boot into Snow Leopard by 
 holding down the Option key. You can run Freehand and Photoshop CS2 by 
 booting into Snow Leopard.
 
 There are a number of variations to the above. One is to put Snow Leopard on 
 an external drive. If this is bootable (as described by Ronni below) you can 
 boot into it by holding down the option key. Another variation is to use copy 
 your original bootable Snow Leopard install back to the the small partition 
 -- this, however, will likely require you to make your Snow Leopard install 
 much smaller by deleting redundant files.
 
 Remember that while you may not be able run certain applications on both 
 systems, all the data files of each operating system are visible to both 
 operating systems, so there is not need to maintain two copies of your data 
 files.
 
 One small complication is that you need to stop Spotlight from indexing both 
 operating system application files. That is to say, if you use Spotlight to 
 launch, say, Disk Utility (as I do), you don't want the Lion version showing 
 up in Snow Leopard, and the Snow Leopard version showing up in Lion. This is 
 solved by excluding the Snow Leopard Application file from within the 
 Spotlight preferences on Lion, and excluding the Lion Application folder from 
 within the Spotlight preferences on Snow Leopard.
 
 Cheers,
 Carlo
 
 On 2011-08-04, at 10:26, Ronda Brown wrote:
 
 
 
 On 04/08/2011, at 9:55 AM, Robert Miller-Eves wrote:
 
 
 I need to continue using Macromedia Freehand MX and Photoshop CS2 in my 
 work as I'm familiar with them but aware  that OS Lion does not support 
 them.
 Is it possible to run 10.6.8 from an external Drive (and use Lion on My 
 computer  Drive (iMac 27)? If so how does one select which OS to start up 
 with?
 I have a fairly reasonable clue about this issue but would appreciate some 
 Expert advice 
 Thanks in advance!
 
 Hi Robert,
 
 I would suggest a better way is to do what I have done. I cloned my OS X 
 10.6.8 system using Super Duper (you can use Carbon Copy Cloner if you 
 prefer) onto a bootable External FW Drive. Then purchased Lion OS X 10.7 
 from the App Store and installed Lion on an external FW Drive.
 
 This way I can boot into Lion for testing purposes before I decide if I want 
 it on my main work MacBook Pro.
 By doing this, my work MBP is not being disturbed by any ‘glitches’ that I 
 might find using Lion.
 
 You can use a USB External; Drive if you wish, I just prefer using FW drives 
 (of which I have many ;-)
 Very important: You first must format the external drive in ‘GUID Partition 
 Table’  Format: Mac OS Extended (journaled) otherwise you will not be able 
 to boot from the drive.
 (If you require details how to format an external drive, please post back  
 

Re: OS 10.6.8/OS Lion Question

2011-08-05 Thread cm

Hi Robert,

Don't panic, I think you are in a reasonably good position.

I just want to confirm where you stand. The way I read it, you have the 
following

1) A fully operational OS X 10.7 Lion install on your main hard drive
2) A backup of your old system on an external drive
3) A non-functioning install of OS X 10.6 Snow Leopard on a partition of your 
main hard drive.

So let's see if we can get you to where you need to be from where you are.

On problem seems to be that Lion does not boot up by default. To change that 
please try the following:
* By holding down the Option key, boot into Lion.
* Bring up System Preferences = Startup Disk
* Select Mac OS X, 10.7 as the system you want to use to start up your computer

The system should now reboot into Lion.

Don't worry about Spotlight for now, it will do no harm and we can fix that 
later.

Finally, I have a question for you. Please do the following:
* With the computer shut down, plug in your external hard drive -- the one with 
the Snow Leopard 10.6 backup on it.
* Reboot while holding down the Option key

Does the external drive appear as a start up option?

If so select it and see if you boot up into your old system.

Cheers,
Carlo


On 2011-08-05, at 17:09, Robert Miller-Eves wrote:

 
 HEELP!
 I decided to try Carlo's  suggestion - Made a Carbon Cloner copy on ext. 
 drive, Partitioned the internal Drive (Mac OS Extended(Journaled).Installed 
 Lion on main System,Installed snow leopard on small partition and applicable 
 soft ware.
 
 Results!
 Lion will not open as default -have to hold option on startup otherwise I get 
 the spinning wheel and a circle with the diagonal line.
 On startup with option I get the Lion Volume but no Snow Leopard Volume. The 
 Leopard Volume does show up on the desktop in Lion.
 tried running Disk Warrior on the Leopard Volume to no avail.
 Checked out Spotlight Prefs in both systems.Need more help with that !
 Please help.Thanks!
 
 
 Hi Robert,
 
 Just to add to what Ronda has said and to give you some other options. 
 Assuming you are migrating towards Lion on your iMac, you have a number of 
 options to run 10.6 Snow Leopard in an auxiliary role.
 
 Here is a setup that I recently put in place for someone with an iMac. A 
 large internal partition of the hard drive runs OS X 10.7 Lion and this 
 partition also contains all the data files, while a much smaller internal 
 partition contains OS X 10.6 Snow Leopard. Snow Leopard can see all the data 
 files available to Lion. To boot into Snow Leopard, one just restarts the 
 computer while holding down the Option key and one sees a selection menu to 
 choose either operating system. By default the computer boots into OS X 10.7 
 Lion.
 
 To get this setup proceed as follows. I will give just a thumbnail sketch of 
 the steps below, but if you want to proceed and can't follow the abbreviated 
 steps, please write back to the group.
 
 1) Make a clone of your system to an external drive using Carbon Copy Cloner 
 or equivalent, just to give you an exit strategy should something go wrong.
 2) Use Disk Utility to make a new small partition on your internal drive, 50 
 - 150 GB should be ample. Use the default Mac OS Extended (journaled) format.
 3) Run the Lion upgrade application to move your main system to OS X 10.7 
 Lion.
 4) Install a new copy of Snow Leopard on the small partition and install the 
 software you would like to run under Snow Leopard there.
 
 Now you can will boot into Lion by default but can boot into Snow Leopard by 
 holding down the Option key. You can run Freehand and Photoshop CS2 by 
 booting into Snow Leopard.
 
 There are a number of variations to the above. One is to put Snow Leopard on 
 an external drive. If this is bootable (as described by Ronni below) you can 
 boot into it by holding down the option key. Another variation is to use 
 copy your original bootable Snow Leopard install back to the the small 
 partition -- this, however, will likely require you to make your Snow 
 Leopard install much smaller by deleting redundant files.
 
 Remember that while you may not be able run certain applications on both 
 systems, all the data files of each operating system are visible to both 
 operating systems, so there is not need to maintain two copies of your data 
 files.
 
 One small complication is that you need to stop Spotlight from indexing both 
 operating system application files. That is to say, if you use Spotlight to 
 launch, say, Disk Utility (as I do), you don't want the Lion version showing 
 up in Snow Leopard, and the Snow Leopard version showing up in Lion. This is 
 solved by excluding the Snow Leopard Application file from within the 
 Spotlight preferences on Lion, and excluding the Lion Application folder 
 from within the Spotlight preferences on Snow Leopard.
 
 Cheers,
 Carlo
 
 On 2011-08-04, at 10:26, Ronda Brown wrote:
 
 
 
 On 04/08/2011, at 9:55 AM, Robert Miller-Eves wrote:
 
 
 I need to continue using 

Re: OS 10.6.8/OS Lion Question

2011-08-05 Thread cm

Hi Robert,

Deleting your backup is probably a little bolder than I would have been, but 
nevertheless you still have a booting system and all your data files, so you 
are in good shape. :-)

The only problem to solve is to get yourself a bootable copy of Snow Leopard OS 
X 10.6. How did you go about installing Snow Leopard on the second partition? 
Did you use Carbon Copy Cloner to copy back your original system, or was it a 
fresh install from a CD?

C

On 2011-08-05, at 20:59, Robert Miller-Eves wrote:

 
 Hi Carlo!
 1. Lion fully operational -.Have now selected it as Startup disc in system 
 Preferences
 2. Oh Dear!  Earlier today,when I thought all was working,I stupidly deleted 
 the old system files from the external Drive!!! :-{
 3. YES,I have a non functioning 10.6.8 on Main drive Partition.
 
 On 05/08/2011, at 8:18 PM, cm wrote:
 
 
 Hi Robert,
 
 Don't panic, I think you are in a reasonably good position.
 
 I just want to confirm where you stand. The way I read it, you have the 
 following
 
 1) A fully operational OS X 10.7 Lion install on your main hard drive
 2) A backup of your old system on an external drive
 3) A non-functioning install of OS X 10.6 Snow Leopard on a partition of 
 your main hard drive.
 
 So let's see if we can get you to where you need to be from where you are.
 
 On problem seems to be that Lion does not boot up by default. To change that 
 please try the following:
 * By holding down the Option key, boot into Lion.
 * Bring up System Preferences = Startup Disk
 * Select Mac OS X, 10.7 as the system you want to use to start up your 
 computer
 
 The system should now reboot into Lion.
 
 Don't worry about Spotlight for now, it will do no harm and we can fix that 
 later.
 
 Finally, I have a question for you. Please do the following:
 * With the computer shut down, plug in your external hard drive -- the one 
 with the Snow Leopard 10.6 backup on it.
 * Reboot while holding down the Option key
 
 Does the external drive appear as a start up option?
 
 If so select it and see if you boot up into your old system.
 
 Cheers,
 Carlo
 
 
 On 2011-08-05, at 17:09, Robert Miller-Eves wrote:
 
 
 HEELP!
 I decided to try Carlo's  suggestion - Made a Carbon Cloner copy on ext. 
 drive, Partitioned the internal Drive (Mac OS Extended(Journaled).Installed 
 Lion on main System,Installed snow leopard on small partition and 
 applicable soft ware.
 
 Results!
 Lion will not open as default -have to hold option on startup otherwise I 
 get the spinning wheel and a circle with the diagonal line.
 On startup with option I get the Lion Volume but no Snow Leopard Volume. 
 The Leopard Volume does show up on the desktop in Lion.
 tried running Disk Warrior on the Leopard Volume to no avail.
 Checked out Spotlight Prefs in both systems.Need more help with that !
 Please help.Thanks!
 
 
 Hi Robert,
 
 Just to add to what Ronda has said and to give you some other options. 
 Assuming you are migrating towards Lion on your iMac, you have a number of 
 options to run 10.6 Snow Leopard in an auxiliary role.
 
 Here is a setup that I recently put in place for someone with an iMac. A 
 large internal partition of the hard drive runs OS X 10.7 Lion and this 
 partition also contains all the data files, while a much smaller internal 
 partition contains OS X 10.6 Snow Leopard. Snow Leopard can see all the 
 data files available to Lion. To boot into Snow Leopard, one just restarts 
 the computer while holding down the Option key and one sees a selection 
 menu to choose either operating system. By default the computer boots into 
 OS X 10.7 Lion.
 
 To get this setup proceed as follows. I will give just a thumbnail sketch 
 of the steps below, but if you want to proceed and can't follow the 
 abbreviated steps, please write back to the group.
 
 1) Make a clone of your system to an external drive using Carbon Copy 
 Cloner or equivalent, just to give you an exit strategy should something 
 go wrong.
 2) Use Disk Utility to make a new small partition on your internal drive, 
 50 - 150 GB should be ample. Use the default Mac OS Extended (journaled) 
 format.
 3) Run the Lion upgrade application to move your main system to OS X 10.7 
 Lion.
 4) Install a new copy of Snow Leopard on the small partition and install 
 the software you would like to run under Snow Leopard there.
 
 Now you can will boot into Lion by default but can boot into Snow Leopard 
 by holding down the Option key. You can run Freehand and Photoshop CS2 by 
 booting into Snow Leopard.
 
 There are a number of variations to the above. One is to put Snow Leopard 
 on an external drive. If this is bootable (as described by Ronni below) 
 you can boot into it by holding down the option key. Another variation is 
 to use copy your original bootable Snow Leopard install back to the the 
 small partition -- this, however, will likely require you to make your 
 Snow Leopard install much smaller by deleting redundant files.
 
 Remember 

Re: OS 10.6.8/OS Lion Question

2011-08-05 Thread Robert Miller-Eves

It was a fresh install from a DVD
On 05/08/2011, at 9:40 PM, cm wrote:

 
 Hi Robert,
 
 Deleting your backup is probably a little bolder than I would have been, but 
 nevertheless you still have a booting system and all your data files, so you 
 are in good shape. :-)
 
 The only problem to solve is to get yourself a bootable copy of Snow Leopard 
 OS X 10.6. How did you go about installing Snow Leopard on the second 
 partition? Did you use Carbon Copy Cloner to copy back your original system, 
 or was it a fresh install from a CD?
 
 C
 
 On 2011-08-05, at 20:59, Robert Miller-Eves wrote:
 
 
 Hi Carlo!
 1. Lion fully operational -.Have now selected it as Startup disc in system 
 Preferences
 2. Oh Dear!  Earlier today,when I thought all was working,I stupidly deleted 
 the old system files from the external Drive!!! :-{
 3. YES,I have a non functioning 10.6.8 on Main drive Partition.
 
 On 05/08/2011, at 8:18 PM, cm wrote:
 
 
 Hi Robert,
 
 Don't panic, I think you are in a reasonably good position.
 
 I just want to confirm where you stand. The way I read it, you have the 
 following
 
 1) A fully operational OS X 10.7 Lion install on your main hard drive
 2) A backup of your old system on an external drive
 3) A non-functioning install of OS X 10.6 Snow Leopard on a partition of 
 your main hard drive.
 
 So let's see if we can get you to where you need to be from where you are.
 
 On problem seems to be that Lion does not boot up by default. To change 
 that please try the following:
 * By holding down the Option key, boot into Lion.
 * Bring up System Preferences = Startup Disk
 * Select Mac OS X, 10.7 as the system you want to use to start up your 
 computer
 
 The system should now reboot into Lion.
 
 Don't worry about Spotlight for now, it will do no harm and we can fix that 
 later.
 
 Finally, I have a question for you. Please do the following:
 * With the computer shut down, plug in your external hard drive -- the one 
 with the Snow Leopard 10.6 backup on it.
 * Reboot while holding down the Option key
 
 Does the external drive appear as a start up option?
 
 If so select it and see if you boot up into your old system.
 
 Cheers,
 Carlo
 
 
 On 2011-08-05, at 17:09, Robert Miller-Eves wrote:
 
 
 HEELP!
 I decided to try Carlo's  suggestion - Made a Carbon Cloner copy on ext. 
 drive, Partitioned the internal Drive (Mac OS 
 Extended(Journaled).Installed Lion on main System,Installed snow leopard 
 on small partition and applicable soft ware.
 
 Results!
 Lion will not open as default -have to hold option on startup otherwise I 
 get the spinning wheel and a circle with the diagonal line.
 On startup with option I get the Lion Volume but no Snow Leopard Volume. 
 The Leopard Volume does show up on the desktop in Lion.
 tried running Disk Warrior on the Leopard Volume to no avail.
 Checked out Spotlight Prefs in both systems.Need more help with that !
 Please help.Thanks!
 
 
 Hi Robert,
 
 Just to add to what Ronda has said and to give you some other options. 
 Assuming you are migrating towards Lion on your iMac, you have a number 
 of options to run 10.6 Snow Leopard in an auxiliary role.
 
 Here is a setup that I recently put in place for someone with an iMac. A 
 large internal partition of the hard drive runs OS X 10.7 Lion and this 
 partition also contains all the data files, while a much smaller internal 
 partition contains OS X 10.6 Snow Leopard. Snow Leopard can see all the 
 data files available to Lion. To boot into Snow Leopard, one just 
 restarts the computer while holding down the Option key and one sees a 
 selection menu to choose either operating system. By default the computer 
 boots into OS X 10.7 Lion.
 
 To get this setup proceed as follows. I will give just a thumbnail sketch 
 of the steps below, but if you want to proceed and can't follow the 
 abbreviated steps, please write back to the group.
 
 1) Make a clone of your system to an external drive using Carbon Copy 
 Cloner or equivalent, just to give you an exit strategy should something 
 go wrong.
 2) Use Disk Utility to make a new small partition on your internal drive, 
 50 - 150 GB should be ample. Use the default Mac OS Extended (journaled) 
 format.
 3) Run the Lion upgrade application to move your main system to OS X 10.7 
 Lion.
 4) Install a new copy of Snow Leopard on the small partition and install 
 the software you would like to run under Snow Leopard there.
 
 Now you can will boot into Lion by default but can boot into Snow Leopard 
 by holding down the Option key. You can run Freehand and Photoshop CS2 by 
 booting into Snow Leopard.
 
 There are a number of variations to the above. One is to put Snow Leopard 
 on an external drive. If this is bootable (as described by Ronni below) 
 you can boot into it by holding down the option key. Another variation is 
 to use copy your original bootable Snow Leopard install back to the the 
 small partition -- this, however, will likely require you to 

Re: OS 10.6.8/OS Lion Question

2011-08-05 Thread cm

OK Robert. Give me a bit of time to do some trials I will post back. Options 
that spring to mind are running disk repair on the 10.6 partition from the 10.6 
DVD. Or alternatively putting the iMac in target disk mode and affecting the 
repair from a MacBook. Or perhaps even installing Snow Leopard on an external 
drive until you the get the internal drive copy functional.

I'll get back to you tomorrow evening.

Cheers,
Carlo


On 2011-08-05, at 23:03, Robert Miller-Eves wrote:

 
 It was a fresh install from a DVD
 On 05/08/2011, at 9:40 PM, cm wrote:
 
 
 Hi Robert,
 
 Deleting your backup is probably a little bolder than I would have been, but 
 nevertheless you still have a booting system and all your data files, so you 
 are in good shape. :-)
 
 The only problem to solve is to get yourself a bootable copy of Snow Leopard 
 OS X 10.6. How did you go about installing Snow Leopard on the second 
 partition? Did you use Carbon Copy Cloner to copy back your original system, 
 or was it a fresh install from a CD?
 
 C
 
 On 2011-08-05, at 20:59, Robert Miller-Eves wrote:
 
 
 Hi Carlo!
 1. Lion fully operational -.Have now selected it as Startup disc in system 
 Preferences
 2. Oh Dear!  Earlier today,when I thought all was working,I stupidly 
 deleted the old system files from the external Drive!!! :-{
 3. YES,I have a non functioning 10.6.8 on Main drive Partition.
 
 On 05/08/2011, at 8:18 PM, cm wrote:
 
 
 Hi Robert,
 
 Don't panic, I think you are in a reasonably good position.
 
 I just want to confirm where you stand. The way I read it, you have the 
 following
 
 1) A fully operational OS X 10.7 Lion install on your main hard drive
 2) A backup of your old system on an external drive
 3) A non-functioning install of OS X 10.6 Snow Leopard on a partition of 
 your main hard drive.
 
 So let's see if we can get you to where you need to be from where you are.
 
 On problem seems to be that Lion does not boot up by default. To change 
 that please try the following:
 * By holding down the Option key, boot into Lion.
 * Bring up System Preferences = Startup Disk
 * Select Mac OS X, 10.7 as the system you want to use to start up your 
 computer
 
 The system should now reboot into Lion.
 
 Don't worry about Spotlight for now, it will do no harm and we can fix 
 that later.
 
 Finally, I have a question for you. Please do the following:
 * With the computer shut down, plug in your external hard drive -- the one 
 with the Snow Leopard 10.6 backup on it.
 * Reboot while holding down the Option key
 
 Does the external drive appear as a start up option?
 
 If so select it and see if you boot up into your old system.
 
 Cheers,
 Carlo
 
 
 On 2011-08-05, at 17:09, Robert Miller-Eves wrote:
 
 
 HEELP!
 I decided to try Carlo's  suggestion - Made a Carbon Cloner copy on ext. 
 drive, Partitioned the internal Drive (Mac OS 
 Extended(Journaled).Installed Lion on main System,Installed snow leopard 
 on small partition and applicable soft ware.
 
 Results!
 Lion will not open as default -have to hold option on startup otherwise I 
 get the spinning wheel and a circle with the diagonal line.
 On startup with option I get the Lion Volume but no Snow Leopard Volume. 
 The Leopard Volume does show up on the desktop in Lion.
 tried running Disk Warrior on the Leopard Volume to no avail.
 Checked out Spotlight Prefs in both systems.Need more help with that !
 Please help.Thanks!
 
 
 Hi Robert,
 
 Just to add to what Ronda has said and to give you some other options. 
 Assuming you are migrating towards Lion on your iMac, you have a number 
 of options to run 10.6 Snow Leopard in an auxiliary role.
 
 Here is a setup that I recently put in place for someone with an iMac. A 
 large internal partition of the hard drive runs OS X 10.7 Lion and this 
 partition also contains all the data files, while a much smaller 
 internal partition contains OS X 10.6 Snow Leopard. Snow Leopard can see 
 all the data files available to Lion. To boot into Snow Leopard, one 
 just restarts the computer while holding down the Option key and one 
 sees a selection menu to choose either operating system. By default the 
 computer boots into OS X 10.7 Lion.
 
 To get this setup proceed as follows. I will give just a thumbnail 
 sketch of the steps below, but if you want to proceed and can't follow 
 the abbreviated steps, please write back to the group.
 
 1) Make a clone of your system to an external drive using Carbon Copy 
 Cloner or equivalent, just to give you an exit strategy should something 
 go wrong.
 2) Use Disk Utility to make a new small partition on your internal 
 drive, 50 - 150 GB should be ample. Use the default Mac OS Extended 
 (journaled) format.
 3) Run the Lion upgrade application to move your main system to OS X 
 10.7 Lion.
 4) Install a new copy of Snow Leopard on the small partition and install 
 the software you would like to run under Snow Leopard there.
 
 Now you can will boot into Lion by default but can 

Re: OS 10.6.8/OS Lion Question

2011-08-05 Thread Daniel Kerr

You could just try booting off the 10.6 DVD and then reinstall 10.6 onto the
10.6 partition you made.
Once reinstalled, you should then have the option of booting to the Lion
(10.7) or Snow Leopard (10.6) partitions.
It will only reinstall the operating system and keep everything else in
tact.
Once booted, you can then go and install the updates for 10.6.

That should get it working on both.
Otherwise you may have some more under lying problems going on.

Kind regards
Daniel

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On 6/8/11 12:36 AM, cm cm200...@gmail.com wrote:

 
 OK Robert. Give me a bit of time to do some trials I will post back. Options
 that spring to mind are running disk repair on the 10.6 partition from the
 10.6 DVD. Or alternatively putting the iMac in target disk mode and affecting
 the repair from a MacBook. Or perhaps even installing Snow Leopard on an
 external drive until you the get the internal drive copy functional.
 
 I'll get back to you tomorrow evening.
 
 Cheers,
 Carlo
 
 
 On 2011-08-05, at 23:03, Robert Miller-Eves wrote:
 
 
 It was a fresh install from a DVD
 On 05/08/2011, at 9:40 PM, cm wrote:
 
 
 Hi Robert,
 
 Deleting your backup is probably a little bolder than I would have been, but
 nevertheless you still have a booting system and all your data files, so you
 are in good shape. :-)
 
 The only problem to solve is to get yourself a bootable copy of Snow Leopard
 OS X 10.6. How did you go about installing Snow Leopard on the second
 partition? Did you use Carbon Copy Cloner to copy back your original system,
 or was it a fresh install from a CD?
 
 C
 
 On 2011-08-05, at 20:59, Robert Miller-Eves wrote:
 
 
 Hi Carlo!
 1. Lion fully operational -.Have now selected it as Startup disc in system
 Preferences
 2. Oh Dear!  Earlier today,when I thought all was working,I stupidly
 deleted the old system files from the external Drive!!! :-{
 3. YES,I have a non functioning 10.6.8 on Main drive Partition.
 
 On 05/08/2011, at 8:18 PM, cm wrote:
 
 
 Hi Robert,
 
 Don't panic, I think you are in a reasonably good position.
 
 I just want to confirm where you stand. The way I read it, you have the
 following
 
 1) A fully operational OS X 10.7 Lion install on your main hard drive
 2) A backup of your old system on an external drive
 3) A non-functioning install of OS X 10.6 Snow Leopard on a partition of
 your main hard drive.
 
 So let's see if we can get you to where you need to be from where you are.
 
 On problem seems to be that Lion does not boot up by default. To change
 that please try the following:
 * By holding down the Option key, boot into Lion.
 * Bring up System Preferences = Startup Disk
 * Select Mac OS X, 10.7 as the system you want to use to start up your
 computer
 
 The system should now reboot into Lion.
 
 Don't worry about Spotlight for now, it will do no harm and we can fix
 that later.
 
 Finally, I have a question for you. Please do the following:
 * With the computer shut down, plug in your external hard drive -- the one
 with the Snow Leopard 10.6 backup on it.
 * Reboot while holding down the Option key
 
 Does the external drive appear as a start up option?
 
 If so select it and see if you boot up into your old system.
 
 Cheers,
 Carlo
 
 
 On 2011-08-05, at 17:09, Robert Miller-Eves wrote:
 
 
 HEELP!
 I decided to try Carlo's  suggestion - Made a Carbon Cloner copy on ext.
 drive, Partitioned the internal Drive (Mac OS
 Extended(Journaled).Installed Lion on main System,Installed snow leopard
 on small partition and applicable soft ware.
 
 Results!
 Lion will not open as default -have to hold option on startup otherwise I
 get the spinning wheel and a circle with the diagonal line.
 On startup with option I get the Lion Volume but no Snow Leopard Volume.
 The Leopard Volume does show up on the desktop in Lion.
 tried running Disk Warrior on the Leopard Volume to no avail.
 Checked out Spotlight Prefs in both systems.Need more help with that !
 Please help.Thanks!
 
 
 Hi Robert,
 
 Just to add to what Ronda has said and to give you some other options.
 Assuming you are migrating towards Lion on your iMac, you have a number
 of options to run 10.6 Snow Leopard in an auxiliary role.
 
 Here is a setup that I recently put in place for someone with an iMac. A
 large internal partition of the hard drive runs OS X 10.7 Lion and this
 partition also contains all the data files, while a much smaller
 internal partition contains OS X 10.6 Snow Leopard. Snow Leopard can see
 all the data files available to Lion. To boot into Snow Leopard, one
 just restarts the computer while holding down the Option key and one
 sees a selection menu to choose either operating system. By default the
 computer boots into OS X 10.7 Lion.
 
 To get this setup proceed as follows. I will give just a thumbnail
 sketch of the steps below, but if you want to proceed 

Re: OS 10.6.8/OS Lion Question

2011-08-05 Thread Daniel Kerr

You could just try booting off the 10.6 DVD and then reinstall 10.6 onto the
10.6 partition you made.
Once reinstalled, you should then have the option of booting to the Lion
(10.7) or Snow Leopard (10.6) partitions.
It will only reinstall the operating system and keep everything else in
tact.
Once booted, you can then go and install the updates for 10.6.

That should get it working on both.
Otherwise you may have some more under lying problems going on.

Kind regards
Daniel

---
Daniel Kerr
MacWizardry

Phone: 0414 795 960
Email: daniel @ macwizardry . com . au
Web:   http://www.macwizardry.com.au


**For everything Macintosh**


On 6/8/11 12:36 AM, cm cm200...@gmail.com wrote:

 
 OK Robert. Give me a bit of time to do some trials I will post back. Options
 that spring to mind are running disk repair on the 10.6 partition from the
 10.6 DVD. Or alternatively putting the iMac in target disk mode and affecting
 the repair from a MacBook. Or perhaps even installing Snow Leopard on an
 external drive until you the get the internal drive copy functional.
 
 I'll get back to you tomorrow evening.
 
 Cheers,
 Carlo
 
 
 On 2011-08-05, at 23:03, Robert Miller-Eves wrote:
 
 
 It was a fresh install from a DVD
 On 05/08/2011, at 9:40 PM, cm wrote:
 
 
 Hi Robert,
 
 Deleting your backup is probably a little bolder than I would have been, but
 nevertheless you still have a booting system and all your data files, so you
 are in good shape. :-)
 
 The only problem to solve is to get yourself a bootable copy of Snow Leopard
 OS X 10.6. How did you go about installing Snow Leopard on the second
 partition? Did you use Carbon Copy Cloner to copy back your original system,
 or was it a fresh install from a CD?
 
 C
 
 On 2011-08-05, at 20:59, Robert Miller-Eves wrote:
 
 
 Hi Carlo!
 1. Lion fully operational -.Have now selected it as Startup disc in system
 Preferences
 2. Oh Dear!  Earlier today,when I thought all was working,I stupidly
 deleted the old system files from the external Drive!!! :-{
 3. YES,I have a non functioning 10.6.8 on Main drive Partition.
 
 On 05/08/2011, at 8:18 PM, cm wrote:
 
 
 Hi Robert,
 
 Don't panic, I think you are in a reasonably good position.
 
 I just want to confirm where you stand. The way I read it, you have the
 following
 
 1) A fully operational OS X 10.7 Lion install on your main hard drive
 2) A backup of your old system on an external drive
 3) A non-functioning install of OS X 10.6 Snow Leopard on a partition of
 your main hard drive.
 
 So let's see if we can get you to where you need to be from where you are.
 
 On problem seems to be that Lion does not boot up by default. To change
 that please try the following:
 * By holding down the Option key, boot into Lion.
 * Bring up System Preferences = Startup Disk
 * Select Mac OS X, 10.7 as the system you want to use to start up your
 computer
 
 The system should now reboot into Lion.
 
 Don't worry about Spotlight for now, it will do no harm and we can fix
 that later.
 
 Finally, I have a question for you. Please do the following:
 * With the computer shut down, plug in your external hard drive -- the one
 with the Snow Leopard 10.6 backup on it.
 * Reboot while holding down the Option key
 
 Does the external drive appear as a start up option?
 
 If so select it and see if you boot up into your old system.
 
 Cheers,
 Carlo
 
 
 On 2011-08-05, at 17:09, Robert Miller-Eves wrote:
 
 
 HEELP!
 I decided to try Carlo's  suggestion - Made a Carbon Cloner copy on ext.
 drive, Partitioned the internal Drive (Mac OS
 Extended(Journaled).Installed Lion on main System,Installed snow leopard
 on small partition and applicable soft ware.
 
 Results!
 Lion will not open as default -have to hold option on startup otherwise I
 get the spinning wheel and a circle with the diagonal line.
 On startup with option I get the Lion Volume but no Snow Leopard Volume.
 The Leopard Volume does show up on the desktop in Lion.
 tried running Disk Warrior on the Leopard Volume to no avail.
 Checked out Spotlight Prefs in both systems.Need more help with that !
 Please help.Thanks!
 
 
 Hi Robert,
 
 Just to add to what Ronda has said and to give you some other options.
 Assuming you are migrating towards Lion on your iMac, you have a number
 of options to run 10.6 Snow Leopard in an auxiliary role.
 
 Here is a setup that I recently put in place for someone with an iMac. A
 large internal partition of the hard drive runs OS X 10.7 Lion and this
 partition also contains all the data files, while a much smaller
 internal partition contains OS X 10.6 Snow Leopard. Snow Leopard can see
 all the data files available to Lion. To boot into Snow Leopard, one
 just restarts the computer while holding down the Option key and one
 sees a selection menu to choose either operating system. By default the
 computer boots into OS X 10.7 Lion.
 
 To get this setup proceed as follows. I will give just a thumbnail
 sketch of the steps below, but if you want to 

Re: OS 10.6.8/OS Lion Question

2011-08-05 Thread cm

I'll just add to what Daniel said, that it would be wise to get a backup 
(either Time Machine or external disk) before you do anything. And preferably 
don't delete it. :-)

C

On 2011-08-06, at 24:49, Daniel Kerr wrote:

 
 You could just try booting off the 10.6 DVD and then reinstall 10.6 onto the
 10.6 partition you made.
 Once reinstalled, you should then have the option of booting to the Lion
 (10.7) or Snow Leopard (10.6) partitions.
 It will only reinstall the operating system and keep everything else in
 tact.
 Once booted, you can then go and install the updates for 10.6.
 
 That should get it working on both.
 Otherwise you may have some more under lying problems going on.
 
 Kind regards
 Daniel
 
 ---
 Daniel Kerr
 MacWizardry
 
 Phone: 0414 795 960
 Email: daniel @ macwizardry . com . au
 Web:   http://www.macwizardry.com.au
 
 
 **For everything Macintosh**
 
 
 On 6/8/11 12:36 AM, cm cm200...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 
 OK Robert. Give me a bit of time to do some trials I will post back. Options
 that spring to mind are running disk repair on the 10.6 partition from the
 10.6 DVD. Or alternatively putting the iMac in target disk mode and affecting
 the repair from a MacBook. Or perhaps even installing Snow Leopard on an
 external drive until you the get the internal drive copy functional.
 
 I'll get back to you tomorrow evening.
 
 Cheers,
 Carlo
 
 
 On 2011-08-05, at 23:03, Robert Miller-Eves wrote:
 
 
 It was a fresh install from a DVD
 On 05/08/2011, at 9:40 PM, cm wrote:
 
 
 Hi Robert,
 
 Deleting your backup is probably a little bolder than I would have been, 
 but
 nevertheless you still have a booting system and all your data files, so 
 you
 are in good shape. :-)
 
 The only problem to solve is to get yourself a bootable copy of Snow 
 Leopard
 OS X 10.6. How did you go about installing Snow Leopard on the second
 partition? Did you use Carbon Copy Cloner to copy back your original 
 system,
 or was it a fresh install from a CD?
 
 C
 
 On 2011-08-05, at 20:59, Robert Miller-Eves wrote:
 
 
 Hi Carlo!
 1. Lion fully operational -.Have now selected it as Startup disc in system
 Preferences
 2. Oh Dear!  Earlier today,when I thought all was working,I stupidly
 deleted the old system files from the external Drive!!! :-{
 3. YES,I have a non functioning 10.6.8 on Main drive Partition.
 
 On 05/08/2011, at 8:18 PM, cm wrote:
 
 
 Hi Robert,
 
 Don't panic, I think you are in a reasonably good position.
 
 I just want to confirm where you stand. The way I read it, you have the
 following
 
 1) A fully operational OS X 10.7 Lion install on your main hard drive
 2) A backup of your old system on an external drive
 3) A non-functioning install of OS X 10.6 Snow Leopard on a partition of
 your main hard drive.
 
 So let's see if we can get you to where you need to be from where you 
 are.
 
 On problem seems to be that Lion does not boot up by default. To change
 that please try the following:
 * By holding down the Option key, boot into Lion.
 * Bring up System Preferences = Startup Disk
 * Select Mac OS X, 10.7 as the system you want to use to start up your
 computer
 
 The system should now reboot into Lion.
 
 Don't worry about Spotlight for now, it will do no harm and we can fix
 that later.
 
 Finally, I have a question for you. Please do the following:
 * With the computer shut down, plug in your external hard drive -- the 
 one
 with the Snow Leopard 10.6 backup on it.
 * Reboot while holding down the Option key
 
 Does the external drive appear as a start up option?
 
 If so select it and see if you boot up into your old system.
 
 Cheers,
 Carlo
 
 
 On 2011-08-05, at 17:09, Robert Miller-Eves wrote:
 
 
 HEELP!
 I decided to try Carlo's  suggestion - Made a Carbon Cloner copy on ext.
 drive, Partitioned the internal Drive (Mac OS
 Extended(Journaled).Installed Lion on main System,Installed snow leopard
 on small partition and applicable soft ware.
 
 Results!
 Lion will not open as default -have to hold option on startup otherwise 
 I
 get the spinning wheel and a circle with the diagonal line.
 On startup with option I get the Lion Volume but no Snow Leopard Volume.
 The Leopard Volume does show up on the desktop in Lion.
 tried running Disk Warrior on the Leopard Volume to no avail.
 Checked out Spotlight Prefs in both systems.Need more help with that !
 Please help.Thanks!
 
 
 Hi Robert,
 
 Just to add to what Ronda has said and to give you some other options.
 Assuming you are migrating towards Lion on your iMac, you have a number
 of options to run 10.6 Snow Leopard in an auxiliary role.
 
 Here is a setup that I recently put in place for someone with an iMac. 
 A
 large internal partition of the hard drive runs OS X 10.7 Lion and this
 partition also contains all the data files, while a much smaller
 internal partition contains OS X 10.6 Snow Leopard. Snow Leopard can 
 see
 all the data files available to Lion. To boot into Snow Leopard, one
 just restarts the computer 

Re: OS 10.6.8/OS Lion Question

2011-08-05 Thread Daniel Kerr

That goes without saying doesn't it?? :)
Backup,..backup,...backup ;)
And then backup ;)

I offer suggestions, but don't take responsibility for no backups :) lol.
A bit like luggage handlers,..all care,..no responsibility,..lol :)

Kind regards
Daniel


On 6/8/11 12:58 AM, cm cm200...@gmail.com wrote:

 
 I'll just add to what Daniel said, that it would be wise to get a backup
 (either Time Machine or external disk) before you do anything. And preferably
 don't delete it. :-)
 
 C
 
 On 2011-08-06, at 24:49, Daniel Kerr wrote:
 
 
 You could just try booting off the 10.6 DVD and then reinstall 10.6 onto the
 10.6 partition you made.
 Once reinstalled, you should then have the option of booting to the Lion
 (10.7) or Snow Leopard (10.6) partitions.
 It will only reinstall the operating system and keep everything else in
 tact.
 Once booted, you can then go and install the updates for 10.6.
 
 That should get it working on both.
 Otherwise you may have some more under lying problems going on.
 
 Kind regards
 Daniel
 
 ---
 Daniel Kerr
 MacWizardry
 
 Phone: 0414 795 960
 Email: daniel @ macwizardry . com . au
 Web:   http://www.macwizardry.com.au
 
 
 **For everything Macintosh**
 
 
 On 6/8/11 12:36 AM, cm cm200...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 
 OK Robert. Give me a bit of time to do some trials I will post back. Options
 that spring to mind are running disk repair on the 10.6 partition from the
 10.6 DVD. Or alternatively putting the iMac in target disk mode and
 affecting
 the repair from a MacBook. Or perhaps even installing Snow Leopard on an
 external drive until you the get the internal drive copy functional.
 
 I'll get back to you tomorrow evening.
 
 Cheers,
 Carlo
 
 
 On 2011-08-05, at 23:03, Robert Miller-Eves wrote:
 
 
 It was a fresh install from a DVD
 On 05/08/2011, at 9:40 PM, cm wrote:
 
 
 Hi Robert,
 
 Deleting your backup is probably a little bolder than I would have been,
 but
 nevertheless you still have a booting system and all your data files, so
 you
 are in good shape. :-)
 
 The only problem to solve is to get yourself a bootable copy of Snow
 Leopard
 OS X 10.6. How did you go about installing Snow Leopard on the second
 partition? Did you use Carbon Copy Cloner to copy back your original
 system,
 or was it a fresh install from a CD?
 
 C
 
 On 2011-08-05, at 20:59, Robert Miller-Eves wrote:
 
 
 Hi Carlo!
 1. Lion fully operational -.Have now selected it as Startup disc in
 system
 Preferences
 2. Oh Dear!  Earlier today,when I thought all was working,I stupidly
 deleted the old system files from the external Drive!!! :-{
 3. YES,I have a non functioning 10.6.8 on Main drive Partition.
 
 On 05/08/2011, at 8:18 PM, cm wrote:
 
 
 Hi Robert,
 
 Don't panic, I think you are in a reasonably good position.
 
 I just want to confirm where you stand. The way I read it, you have the
 following
 
 1) A fully operational OS X 10.7 Lion install on your main hard drive
 2) A backup of your old system on an external drive
 3) A non-functioning install of OS X 10.6 Snow Leopard on a partition of
 your main hard drive.
 
 So let's see if we can get you to where you need to be from where you
 are.
 
 On problem seems to be that Lion does not boot up by default. To change
 that please try the following:
 * By holding down the Option key, boot into Lion.
 * Bring up System Preferences = Startup Disk
 * Select Mac OS X, 10.7 as the system you want to use to start up your
 computer
 
 The system should now reboot into Lion.
 
 Don't worry about Spotlight for now, it will do no harm and we can fix
 that later.
 
 Finally, I have a question for you. Please do the following:
 * With the computer shut down, plug in your external hard drive -- the
 one
 with the Snow Leopard 10.6 backup on it.
 * Reboot while holding down the Option key
 
 Does the external drive appear as a start up option?
 
 If so select it and see if you boot up into your old system.
 
 Cheers,
 Carlo
 
 
 On 2011-08-05, at 17:09, Robert Miller-Eves wrote:
 
 
 HEELP!
 I decided to try Carlo's  suggestion - Made a Carbon Cloner copy on
 ext.
 drive, Partitioned the internal Drive (Mac OS
 Extended(Journaled).Installed Lion on main System,Installed snow
 leopard
 on small partition and applicable soft ware.
 
 Results!
 Lion will not open as default -have to hold option on startup otherwise
 I
 get the spinning wheel and a circle with the diagonal line.
 On startup with option I get the Lion Volume but no Snow Leopard
 Volume.
 The Leopard Volume does show up on the desktop in Lion.
 tried running Disk Warrior on the Leopard Volume to no avail.
 Checked out Spotlight Prefs in both systems.Need more help with that !
 Please help.Thanks!
 
 
 Hi Robert,
 
 Just to add to what Ronda has said and to give you some other options.
 Assuming you are migrating towards Lion on your iMac, you have a
 number
 of options to run 10.6 Snow Leopard in an auxiliary role.
 
 Here is a setup that I recently put in place for someone with an iMac.
 A
 

Date, day of the week app for iPhone

2011-08-05 Thread Stuart Breden


Don't think I've seen tis topic on the list.

I'm looking for an application to augment, enhance iCal on the iPhone.

there are a few calculator but that's not I want.

As well there are a few add on application that work in conjunction  
with iCal.  Week Cal looks good.


Suggestions?

Stuart Breden
PO Box 132
Kalamunda WA 6926
Ph: (08) 9257 1577
Mbl: 0417 053 266
http://www.utilitap.com/weekcalendar/features.php





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A worry?

2011-08-05 Thread Curtis Peter

Hi all
I just had a strange thing happen, I use a MacBook Pro, 2.53GHz Intel Core 2 
Duo with 4GB 1067 MHz DDR3, Mac OS 10.6.8.
I'm in the process of changing accounting systems from MYOB to MoneyWorks 
Cashbook , and I am running both in tandem until I change over, being happy 
with the new program.
I only mention this as I was running both switching between as entering 
information.
As I was entering some information into MYOB I suddenly found I couldn't enter 
the information any more and the spinning ball appeared (actually in black and 
white, not as usual coloured) This continued for about three minutes then 
everything disappeared except for a plain blue screen, no spinning ball. I left 
this screen to see what would happen for about fifteen minutes then shut down 
the computer using the on off button. I waited for a while then re booted and 
the computer restarted no problems, everything seems OK. Ran disk utilities and 
verified the hard disk, no apparent problems. Re ran disk permissions (had 
already done this earlier today when backing up with SuperDuper. 
Never had this happen before, is it a signal that something's wrong? Should I 
be worried?
Regards
Peter


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Security message from router meaning?

2011-08-05 Thread Ray Forma

On Thu, 2011-08-04 07:36:19 WAST I received the following security message from 
my modem-router, which is a Netgear Wireless ADSL2+ Modem Router model DG834G:

TCP Packet - Source:221.194.46.176,12200 Destination:59.100.232.117,9090 - [DOS]
TCP Packet - Source:221.194.46.176,12200 Destination:59.100.232.117,8008 - [DOS]
TCP Packet - Source:221.194.46.176,12200 Destination:59.100.232.117,3246 - [DOS]
TCP Packet - Source:221.194.46.176,12200 Destination:59.100.232.117,8123 - [DOS]
TCP Packet - Source:221.194.46.176,12200 Destination:59.100.232.117,7212 - [DOS]
TCP Packet - Source:221.194.46.176 Destination:59.100.232.117 - [PORT SCAN]
TCP Packet - Source:221.194.46.176,12200 Destination:59.100.232.117,5390 - [DOS]

Is there anyone who can translate these arcane messages into plain language? My 
Netgear manual is of no use whatsoever.

My research shows that 221.194.46.176 belongs to China Unicom, while 
59.100.232.117 belongs to AAPT, my ISP.

Is there any organisation to whom I should forward these and similar messages?

Regards,

Ray Forma
Mob +61 (0) 428 596938




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