Re: For those running El Capitan, ...auto update "may" take you to macOS Sierra

[Ronda Brown]

And I forgot to mention iCloud 'Find my iPhone'!
I've been fortunate to locate my misplaced iPhone by using 'Find my iPhone'.
Find my iPhone helps you locate and protect your iPhone, iPad, iPod Touch, 
Apple Watch, or Mac if it's ever lost or stolen.

Sent from Ronni's iPad4

> On 4 Oct. 2016, at 9:33 pm, Ronda Brown  wrote:
> 
> Yes Daniel, 
> I would be lost without iCloud keeping my "Contacts, Calendar, Notes, 
> reminders, and mail accounts" synced to all my Mac computers, iPad and 
> iPhone. 
> Using Apple ID Two-Factor Authentication security ensures that you're the 
> only person who can access your account, even if someone knows your password.
> 
> Cheers,
> Ronni
> 
> Sent from Ronni's iPad4
> 
> 
>> On 4 Oct. 2016, at 8:57 pm, Daniel Kerr  wrote:
>> 
>> I’d actually be lost without iCloud for my contacts. Keeping my iPhone, 
>> iPad, iMac and laptop all in sync is great. And (call me a “fan boy”) but 
>> out of any company, I’d rather trust Apple with my contacts then anyone 
>> else. With the push for privacy and protection I generally feel safer with 
>> them holding them then other places. And given their servers are very rarely 
>> actually accessed my any “real” people bar a few techs and the structure in 
>> place just to even access these “data farms” (well from what I’ve read about 
>> them anyway), they are very limited with access.
>> Yes, I know anything online has a risk. But with 2-step verification on my 
>> AppleID and everything locked away behind a secure password, I tend to feel 
>> it’s pretty safe.
>> And given the amount of info Apple have stored, they do a pretty good job of 
>> protecting I think. it’s very rare to have anything of theirs hacked, and 
>> they do their best to always be on top of closing security vulnerabilities 
>> if anything is found. Plus at least Apple don’t really use their data to 
>> advertise or market to or “push” everything in our face (as does Google or 
>> Facebook if you have to search things and then have all the “ads” popup days 
>> later for things you’ve searched for).
>> Again, maybe I’m too much of a fan boy, and have faith in it all, but I find 
>> it works well for me. And I’d be lost without it. (just my personal opinion 
>> here).
>> 
>> As an aside….
>> If you don’t want to use iCloud, it’s quite easy to turn it all off.
>> You just save your Contacts from the File menu using “Export” - Contacts 
>> Archive.
>> Save this out to the Desktop.
>> Go to System Preferences - iCloud. Untick Contacts. It well tell you it’s 
>> going to remove them. Once they’re all gone. You can then import your 
>> Contacts Archive from the Desktop back into Contacts using File - Import.
>> These will then all be saved under “On My Mac” contacts.
>> 
>> You can repeat this on the iPhone 
>> In Settings go to iCloud. Turn off Contacts. It will ask if you want to 
>> delete or save them on the iPhone. Choose Keep.
>> You’ll then have them on the iPhone as “On my iPhone” contacts.
>> 
>> If you then want to delete them out of iCloud completely.
>> You can go to www.icloud.com
>> Log in with your AppleID.
>> Go to Contacts.
>> Select all the Contacts. (Command-A)
>> Click on the “cogwheel” in the bottom left corner and choose “Delete”.
>> Then remove them all from iCloud online. This will then empty them all out.
>> 
>> You can also repeat the process for Calendars as well if you don’t want to 
>> do them as well.
>> Once you turn this off though, you won’t have the information syncing across 
>> all the devices, so anytime something is updated, you’ll have to manual 
>> change or enter it on every device.
>> 
>> Hope that helps.
>> 
>> Kind regards
>> Daniel
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone 6
>> 
>> ---
>> Daniel Kerr
>> MacWizardry
>> 
>> Phone: 0414 795 960
>> Email: 
>> Web:   
>> 
>> 
>> **For everything Apple**
>> 
>> NOTE: Any information provided in this email may be my personal opinion and 
>> as such should be taken accordingly, and may not be the views of 
>> MacWizardry. Any information provided does not offer or warrant any form of 
>> warranty or accept liability. It would be appreciated that if any 
>> information in this email is to be disseminated, distributed or copied, that 
>> permission by the author be requested. 
>> 
>>> On 4 Oct 2016, at 8:30 pm, Michael Hawkins 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Daniel, 
>>> 
>>> If only I'd known this a couple of weeks ago. In an unguarded moment Sierra 
>>> went merrily ahead and shoved me onto iCloud (but not iCloud Drive). 
>>> Attempts to turn iCloud preferences off result in a stern threat/warning 
>>> that if I do that all contacts will be removed from my computer. It 
>>> irritates the hell out of me - they're my contacts, collected since 1993. 
>>> How dare Apple threaten to steal them.
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> 
>>> Michael Hawkins
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On 4 Oct. 2016, at 8:04 pm, Daniel Kerr 

Re: For those running El Capitan, ...auto update "may" take you to macOS Sierra

[Ronda Brown]

Yes Daniel, 
I would be lost without iCloud keeping my "Contacts, Calendar, Notes, 
reminders, and mail accounts" synced to all my Mac computers, iPad and iPhone. 
Using Apple ID Two-Factor Authentication security ensures that you're the only 
person who can access your account, even if someone knows your password.

Cheers,
Ronni

Sent from Ronni's iPad4


> On 4 Oct. 2016, at 8:57 pm, Daniel Kerr  wrote:
> 
> I’d actually be lost without iCloud for my contacts. Keeping my iPhone, iPad, 
> iMac and laptop all in sync is great. And (call me a “fan boy”) but out of 
> any company, I’d rather trust Apple with my contacts then anyone else. With 
> the push for privacy and protection I generally feel safer with them holding 
> them then other places. And given their servers are very rarely actually 
> accessed my any “real” people bar a few techs and the structure in place just 
> to even access these “data farms” (well from what I’ve read about them 
> anyway), they are very limited with access.
> Yes, I know anything online has a risk. But with 2-step verification on my 
> AppleID and everything locked away behind a secure password, I tend to feel 
> it’s pretty safe.
> And given the amount of info Apple have stored, they do a pretty good job of 
> protecting I think. it’s very rare to have anything of theirs hacked, and 
> they do their best to always be on top of closing security vulnerabilities if 
> anything is found. Plus at least Apple don’t really use their data to 
> advertise or market to or “push” everything in our face (as does Google or 
> Facebook if you have to search things and then have all the “ads” popup days 
> later for things you’ve searched for).
> Again, maybe I’m too much of a fan boy, and have faith in it all, but I find 
> it works well for me. And I’d be lost without it. (just my personal opinion 
> here).
> 
> As an aside….
> If you don’t want to use iCloud, it’s quite easy to turn it all off.
> You just save your Contacts from the File menu using “Export” - Contacts 
> Archive.
> Save this out to the Desktop.
> Go to System Preferences - iCloud. Untick Contacts. It well tell you it’s 
> going to remove them. Once they’re all gone. You can then import your 
> Contacts Archive from the Desktop back into Contacts using File - Import.
> These will then all be saved under “On My Mac” contacts.
> 
> You can repeat this on the iPhone 
> In Settings go to iCloud. Turn off Contacts. It will ask if you want to 
> delete or save them on the iPhone. Choose Keep.
> You’ll then have them on the iPhone as “On my iPhone” contacts.
> 
> If you then want to delete them out of iCloud completely.
> You can go to www.icloud.com
> Log in with your AppleID.
> Go to Contacts.
> Select all the Contacts. (Command-A)
> Click on the “cogwheel” in the bottom left corner and choose “Delete”.
> Then remove them all from iCloud online. This will then empty them all out.
> 
> You can also repeat the process for Calendars as well if you don’t want to do 
> them as well.
> Once you turn this off though, you won’t have the information syncing across 
> all the devices, so anytime something is updated, you’ll have to manual 
> change or enter it on every device.
> 
> Hope that helps.
> 
> Kind regards
> Daniel
> 
> Sent from my iPhone 6
> 
> ---
> Daniel Kerr
> MacWizardry
> 
> Phone: 0414 795 960
> Email: 
> Web:   
> 
> 
> **For everything Apple**
> 
> NOTE: Any information provided in this email may be my personal opinion and 
> as such should be taken accordingly, and may not be the views of MacWizardry. 
> Any information provided does not offer or warrant any form of warranty or 
> accept liability. It would be appreciated that if any information in this 
> email is to be disseminated, distributed or copied, that permission by the 
> author be requested. 
> 
>> On 4 Oct 2016, at 8:30 pm, Michael Hawkins 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Daniel, 
>> 
>> If only I'd known this a couple of weeks ago. In an unguarded moment Sierra 
>> went merrily ahead and shoved me onto iCloud (but not iCloud Drive). 
>> Attempts to turn iCloud preferences off result in a stern threat/warning 
>> that if I do that all contacts will be removed from my computer. It 
>> irritates the hell out of me - they're my contacts, collected since 1993. 
>> How dare Apple threaten to steal them.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> Michael Hawkins
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On 4 Oct. 2016, at 8:04 pm, Daniel Kerr  wrote:
>>> 
>>> For those on El Capitan, Apple have changed it slightly so it will auto 
>>> download the Sierra update and have it ready to go.
>>> You still have the option to not install it, and have to “approve” the 
>>> install with password etc, so it still would give you the warning. But if 
>>> you don’t want it downloaded just yet, you can turn this off.
>>> 
>>> More information on it here -
>>> 

Re: For those running El Capitan, ...auto update "may" take you to macOS Sierra

[Daniel Kerr]

I’d actually be lost without iCloud for my contacts. Keeping my iPhone, iPad, 
iMac and laptop all in sync is great. And (call me a “fan boy”) but out of any 
company, I’d rather trust Apple with my contacts then anyone else. With the 
push for privacy and protection I generally feel safer with them holding them 
then other places. And given their servers are very rarely actually accessed my 
any “real” people bar a few techs and the structure in place just to even 
access these “data farms” (well from what I’ve read about them anyway), they 
are very limited with access.
Yes, I know anything online has a risk. But with 2-step verification on my 
AppleID and everything locked away behind a secure password, I tend to feel 
it’s pretty safe.
And given the amount of info Apple have stored, they do a pretty good job of 
protecting I think. it’s very rare to have anything of theirs hacked, and they 
do their best to always be on top of closing security vulnerabilities if 
anything is found. Plus at least Apple don’t really use their data to advertise 
or market to or “push” everything in our face (as does Google or Facebook if 
you have to search things and then have all the “ads” popup days later for 
things you’ve searched for).
Again, maybe I’m too much of a fan boy, and have faith in it all, but I find it 
works well for me. And I’d be lost without it. (just my personal opinion here).

As an aside….
If you don’t want to use iCloud, it’s quite easy to turn it all off.
You just save your Contacts from the File menu using “Export” - Contacts 
Archive.
Save this out to the Desktop.
Go to System Preferences - iCloud. Untick Contacts. It well tell you it’s going 
to remove them. Once they’re all gone. You can then import your Contacts 
Archive from the Desktop back into Contacts using File - Import.
These will then all be saved under “On My Mac” contacts.

You can repeat this on the iPhone 
In Settings go to iCloud. Turn off Contacts. It will ask if you want to delete 
or save them on the iPhone. Choose Keep.
You’ll then have them on the iPhone as “On my iPhone” contacts.

If you then want to delete them out of iCloud completely.
You can go to www.icloud.com
Log in with your AppleID.
Go to Contacts.
Select all the Contacts. (Command-A)
Click on the “cogwheel” in the bottom left corner and choose “Delete”.
Then remove them all from iCloud online. This will then empty them all out.

You can also repeat the process for Calendars as well if you don’t want to do 
them as well.
Once you turn this off though, you won’t have the information syncing across 
all the devices, so anytime something is updated, you’ll have to manual change 
or enter it on every device.

Hope that helps.

Kind regards
Daniel

Sent from my iPhone 6

---
Daniel Kerr
MacWizardry

Phone: 0414 795 960
Email: 
Web:   


**For everything Apple**

NOTE: Any information provided in this email may be my personal opinion and as 
such should be taken accordingly, and may not be the views of MacWizardry. Any 
information provided does not offer or warrant any form of warranty or accept 
liability. It would be appreciated that if any information in this email is to 
be disseminated, distributed or copied, that permission by the author be 
requested. 

> On 4 Oct 2016, at 8:30 pm, Michael Hawkins  
> wrote:
> 
> Daniel, 
> 
> If only I'd known this a couple of weeks ago. In an unguarded moment Sierra 
> went merrily ahead and shoved me onto iCloud (but not iCloud Drive). Attempts 
> to turn iCloud preferences off result in a stern threat/warning that if I do 
> that all contacts will be removed from my computer. It irritates the hell out 
> of me - they're my contacts, collected since 1993. How dare Apple threaten to 
> steal them.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Michael Hawkins
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 4 Oct. 2016, at 8:04 pm, Daniel Kerr  wrote:
>> 
>> For those on El Capitan, Apple have changed it slightly so it will auto 
>> download the Sierra update and have it ready to go.
>> You still have the option to not install it, and have to “approve” the 
>> install with password etc, so it still would give you the warning. But if 
>> you don’t want it downloaded just yet, you can turn this off.
>> 
>> More information on it here -
>> http://www.macrumors.com/2016/10/03/macos-sierra-automatic-downloads/
>> 
>> Also, if you do install it and want to bypass the “iCloud Drive” setup, the 
>> best option to do is to bypass signing into iCloud when you first install 
>> Sierra. When you’re going through the “setup windows” after it first 
>> installs and restarts you’ll get the “sign in to iCloud” screen. Click on 
>> “skip for now”.
>> Then after you’ve gone through everything else and get to the Finder, you 
>> can then go to System Preferences - iCloud.
>> From there you can then sign back into iCloud and then check on iCloud drive 
>> and click on what things you want (or 

Re: For those running El Capitan, ...auto update "may" take you to macOS Sierra

[Michael Hawkins]

Daniel, 

If only I'd known this a couple of weeks ago. In an unguarded moment Sierra 
went merrily ahead and shoved me onto iCloud (but not iCloud Drive). Attempts 
to turn iCloud preferences off result in a stern threat/warning that if I do 
that all contacts will be removed from my computer. It irritates the hell out 
of me - they're my contacts, collected since 1993. How dare Apple threaten to 
steal them.

Cheers,

Michael Hawkins

Sent from my iPhone

> On 4 Oct. 2016, at 8:04 pm, Daniel Kerr  wrote:
> 
> For those on El Capitan, Apple have changed it slightly so it will auto 
> download the Sierra update and have it ready to go.
> You still have the option to not install it, and have to “approve” the 
> install with password etc, so it still would give you the warning. But if you 
> don’t want it downloaded just yet, you can turn this off.
> 
> More information on it here -
> http://www.macrumors.com/2016/10/03/macos-sierra-automatic-downloads/
> 
> Also, if you do install it and want to bypass the “iCloud Drive” setup, the 
> best option to do is to bypass signing into iCloud when you first install 
> Sierra. When you’re going through the “setup windows” after it first installs 
> and restarts you’ll get the “sign in to iCloud” screen. Click on “skip for 
> now”.
> Then after you’ve gone through everything else and get to the Finder, you can 
> then go to System Preferences - iCloud.
> From there you can then sign back into iCloud and then check on iCloud drive 
> and click on what things you want (or don’t want).
> I tend to always do this with setups and new set ups, as I can then control 
> what changes I’m being asked to do. It’s more of a “safe” way to do it I find.
> 
> Hope something there helps.
> 
> Kind regards
> Daniel
> 
> Sent from my iPhone 6
> 
> ---
> Daniel Kerr
> MacWizardry
> 
> Phone: 0414 795 960
> Email: 
> Web:   
> 
> 
> **For everything Apple**
> 
> NOTE: Any information provided in this email may be my personal opinion and 
> as such should be taken accordingly, and may not be the views of MacWizardry. 
> Any information provided does not offer or warrant any form of warranty or 
> accept liability. It would be appreciated that if any information in this 
> email is to be disseminated, distributed or copied, that permission by the 
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For those running El Capitan, ...auto update "may" take you to macOS Sierra

[Daniel Kerr]

For those on El Capitan, Apple have changed it slightly so it will auto 
download the Sierra update and have it ready to go.
You still have the option to not install it, and have to “approve” the install 
with password etc, so it still would give you the warning. But if you don’t 
want it downloaded just yet, you can turn this off.

More information on it here -
http://www.macrumors.com/2016/10/03/macos-sierra-automatic-downloads/

Also, if you do install it and want to bypass the “iCloud Drive” setup, the 
best option to do is to bypass signing into iCloud when you first install 
Sierra. When you’re going through the “setup windows” after it first installs 
and restarts you’ll get the “sign in to iCloud” screen. Click on “skip for now”.
Then after you’ve gone through everything else and get to the Finder, you can 
then go to System Preferences - iCloud.
From there you can then sign back into iCloud and then check on iCloud drive 
and click on what things you want (or don’t want).
I tend to always do this with setups and new set ups, as I can then control 
what changes I’m being asked to do. It’s more of a “safe” way to do it I find.

Hope something there helps.

Kind regards
Daniel

Sent from my iPhone 6

---
Daniel Kerr
MacWizardry

Phone: 0414 795 960
Email: 
Web:   


**For everything Apple**

NOTE: Any information provided in this email may be my personal opinion and as 
such should be taken accordingly, and may not be the views of MacWizardry. Any 
information provided does not offer or warrant any form of warranty or accept 
liability. It would be appreciated that if any information in this email is to 
be disseminated, distributed or copied, that permission by the author be 
requested. 

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