Re: G5 iMac Slow-Down - the Solution

[Ronda Brown]

Hi Diana,

On 01/04/2009, at 2:45 PM, Diana & Graham Stevens wrote:


There was nothing wrong with the iMac.


That's good news to hear.

The port on the router that the iMac was using seems to be faulty.  
Graham told me everything had slowed down but I realised it was all  
to do with the Internet or Network Printing which included all  
Applications.


Confirms that 'A Man never gives you the Correct Story' ;-)


I decided it was wise to order the upgrade of Disk Warrior for the  
next time!


Good decision, I always have a current Disk Warrior, TechTool Pro,  
DataRescue and a few other diagnostic & repair utilities on my  
TechTool Protégé.


Thanks again to all. To celebrate I paid my WAMUG subscription which  
I have been meaning to do all year!


Good result all round.


Best wishes from Diana


Cheers,
Ronni
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Re: G5 iMac Slow-Down - the Solution

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On 01/04/2009, at 2:45 PM, Diana & Graham Stevens wrote:

There was nothing wrong with the iMac. The port on the router that  
the iMac was using seems to be faulty.


Tricky connection points ... could still be cord/plug related . Try  
another plug end , and try another cord .


Also it could  be related to the software in the router . I suspect  
you can reset these sometimes,
you might try that if you run out of ports . Will need the router  
handbook to work out what to do .


Bob



Graham told me everything had slowed down but I realised it was all  
to do with the Internet or Network Printing which included all  
Applications.


I decided it was wise to order the upgrade of Disk Warrior for the  
next time!


Thanks again to all. To celebrate I paid my WAMUG subscription which  
I have been meaning to do all year!


Best wishes from Diana


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[Diana & Graham Stevens]

There was nothing wrong with the iMac. The port on the router that 
the iMac was using seems to be faulty. Graham told me everything had 
slowed down but I realised it was all to do with the Internet or 
Network Printing which included all Applications.


I decided it was wise to order the upgrade of Disk Warrior for the next time!

Thanks again to all. To celebrate I paid my WAMUG subscription which 
I have been meaning to do all year!


Best wishes from Diana


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Re: G5 iMac Slow-Down

[Diana & Graham Stevens]

On 01/04/2009, at 10:00 AM, Diana & Graham Stevens wrote:


 On 31/3/09 3:28 PM, "Diana & Graham Stevens"  wrote:


 Graham's iMac [PowerPC G5(3.0), 1.8 GHz, 1 GB RAM running 10.3.9] has
 become extremely slow.

 All applications run slowly and collecting email or using the
 Internet is so slow as to be useless. The connection is OK because my
 G5 still works well.

 I repaired permissions but that has not helped.

 Can anyone suggest what is wrong/how to fix it?


 On 31/3/09 6:52 PM, Daniel Kerr wote:


 It could be the drive is fragmented and needs something run over it, like
 DiskWarrior to degfragment (or a similar program).
 It could also be the start of a failing Hard Drive, hence why it's slow. So
 make sure to keep a good backup. (Techtool can sometimes tell you 
the status

 of a drive as well).


 Thanks for the suggestion Daniel but it didn't work.

 The iMac does not recognise the Disk Warrior disk (v. 3.0, OS 
10.3.2) as a Start Up Disk. It is OK on my computer.


On 01/04/2009, at 11:06 AM, Robert Howells wrote:

As best as I can tell from your Machine description by using Mactracker ,
your supplied Mac OS will be later than 10.3.2 and as a consequence
that would likely explain why your Disk Warrior will not start up .

As you had 10.3.9 now running on the imac that just may explain why
the system disk will not advance   hope the cpu is not faulty .

I can loan you a later version of Disk Warrior if you wish .

In between times you may like to connect the imac in Target Disk mode
to your own Mac and run a Check Disk program on it using Disk Utility
to see what that says .


Thanks for your help Bob.

I managed to find the IMac's disks, started up from the Install disk 
and ran Disk repair and Preference repair. It did not find any 
problems, not that that means too much.


When I finished I noticed the CD seemed hot so we cleaned the fluff 
out of the fan intake, maybe that will help.


Thanks for the offer of your Disk Warrior CD but we need to get an 
upgrade. I tried 3 places but nobody carries stock. I shall order it 
from Team Digital which is our closest Apple place now that Computer 
Traders have disappeared. I am told DigiLife has gone too.


In the meantime I am making Graham back up every file he alters. 
Copying to the Firewire drive is not a problem but copying over the 
Network is hopeless.


Best wishes to all from Diana

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Re: G5 iMac Slow-Down

[Robert Howells]

On 01/04/2009, at 10:00 AM, Diana & Graham Stevens wrote:

On 31/3/09 3:28 PM, "Diana & Graham Stevens"   
wrote:


Graham's iMac [PowerPC G5(3.0), 1.8 GHz, 1 GB RAM running 10.3.9]  
has

become extremely slow.

All applications run slowly and collecting email or using the
Internet is so slow as to be useless. The connection is OK because  
my

G5 still works well.

I repaired permissions but that has not helped.

Can anyone suggest what is wrong/how to fix it?


On 31/3/09 6:52 PM, Daniel Kerr wote:

It could be the drive is fragmented and needs something run over  
it, like

DiskWarrior to degfragment (or a similar program).
It could also be the start of a failing Hard Drive, hence why it's  
slow. So
make sure to keep a good backup. (Techtool can sometimes tell you  
the status

of a drive as well).


Thanks for the suggestion Daniel but it didn't work.

The iMac does not recognise the Disk Warrior disk (v. 3.0, OS  
10.3.2) as a Start Up Disk. It is OK on my computer.


Diana ,

As best as I can tell from your Machine description by using  
Mactracker ,

your supplied Mac OS will be later than 10.3.2 and as a consequence
that would likely explain why your Disk Warrior will not start up .

As you had 10.3.9 now running on the imac that just may explain why
the system disk will not advance   hope the cpu is not faulty .

I can loan you a later version of Disk Warrior if you wish .

In between times you may like to connect the imac in Target Disk mode
to your own Mac and run a Check Disk program on it using Disk Utility
to see what that says .

Cheers

Bob








It did recognise the Panther System Disk but when I tried to start  
up it stuck at the grey screen with the apple.


We only have an ancient version of Tech Tools Pro (v.2.0?) but even  
if I got an updated version it wouldn't start from it.


Any more suggestions?

Thanks to all who have offered help.

Diana

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Re: G5 iMac Slow-Down

[Diana & Graham Stevens]

On 31/3/09 3:28 PM, "Diana & Graham Stevens"  wrote:


 Graham's iMac [PowerPC G5(3.0), 1.8 GHz, 1 GB RAM running 10.3.9] has
 become extremely slow.

 All applications run slowly and collecting email or using the
 Internet is so slow as to be useless. The connection is OK because my
 G5 still works well.

 I repaired permissions but that has not helped.

 Can anyone suggest what is wrong/how to fix it?


On 31/3/09 6:52 PM, Daniel Kerr wote:


It could be the drive is fragmented and needs something run over it, like
DiskWarrior to degfragment (or a similar program).
It could also be the start of a failing Hard Drive, hence why it's slow. So
make sure to keep a good backup. (Techtool can sometimes tell you the status
of a drive as well).


Thanks for the suggestion Daniel but it didn't work.

The iMac does not recognise the Disk Warrior disk (v. 3.0, OS 10.3.2) 
as a Start Up Disk. It is OK on my computer.


It did recognise the Panther System Disk but when I tried to start up 
it stuck at the grey screen with the apple.


We only have an ancient version of Tech Tools Pro (v.2.0?) but even 
if I got an updated version it wouldn't start from it.


Any more suggestions?

Thanks to all who have offered help.

Diana

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Re: G5 iMac Slow-Down

[Daniel Kerr]

On 31/3/09 3:28 PM, "Diana & Graham Stevens"  wrote:

> Graham's iMac [PowerPC G5(3.0), 1.8 GHz, 1 GB RAM running 10.3.9] has
> become extremely slow.
> 
> All applications run slowly and collecting email or using the
> Internet is so slow as to be useless. The connection is OK because my
> G5 still works well.
> 
> I repaired permissions but that has not helped.
> 
> Can anyone suggest what is wrong/how to fix it?
> 
> Best wishes to all from Diana
> 


Hi Diana

It could be the drive is fragmented and needs something run over it, like
DiskWarrior to degfragment (or a similar program).
It could also be the start of a failing Hard Drive, hence why it's slow. So
make sure to keep a good backup. (Techtool can sometimes tell you the status
of a drive as well).

Hope that helps.

Kind Regards
Daniel
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Re: G5 iMac Slow-Down

[Diana & Graham Stevens]

On 31/03/2009, at 5:13 PM, Glen Nicholas wrote:


Using Activity Monitor, can you identify what is going on on the machine?
- how much System Memory is used/available? If there is no memory
left, what is using all the memory?
- is the CPU fully utilised or not?
- is there a lot of Disk Activity going on?
- when you attempt to use the Web, are packets being sent/received in
bursts and then stalling, or being sent/received very slowly?

Activity Monitor might point you to where the slowdown is happening.


Tried that. CPU is variable but mostly not being used. RAM has 588 MB 
free. No disk activity.


I don't really understand the graph of the Web packets but there are 
spikes with gaps in between, height of spikes variable but mostly 
near top of window.


As a test I tried again to download Onyx as Ronni suggested. It was 
not quite as slow as before, at least I got to the download page. I 
started the download. It only got 33 KB in the first minute, I went 
away to feed the dogs. Next time I looked there were only red (out) 
spikes and after 20 minutes it was still at 33 KB and nothing was 
happening, no spikes at all, so I cancelled.


I then looked at the weather and iinet home page, they loaded slowly 
but they did get there. It seems as though any large job gets stuck.


I am a confused old lady!

Thanks for your help and best wishes from Diana

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Re: G5 iMac Slow-Down

[Glenn Nicholas]

Using Activity Monitor, can you identify what is going on on the machine?
- how much System Memory is used/available? If there is no memory
left, what is using all the memory?
- is the CPU fully utilised or not?
- is there a lot of Disk Activity going on?
- when you attempt to use the Web, are packets being sent/received in
bursts and then stalling, or being sent/received very slowly?

Activity Monitor might point you to where the slowdown is happening.

Glenn.

2009/3/31 Diana & Graham Stevens :
>> On 31/03/2009, at 3:28 PM, Diana & Graham Stevens wrote:
>>
>>>  Graham's iMac [PowerPC G5(3.0), 1.8 GHz, 1 GB RAM running 10.3.9] has
>>> become extremely slow.
>>>
>>>  All applications run slowly and collecting email or using the Internet
>>> is so slow as to be useless. The connection is OK because my G5 still works
>>> well.
>>>
>>>  I repaired permissions but that has not helped.
>>>
>>>  Can anyone suggest what is wrong/how to fix it?
>
> On 31/03/2009, at 4:12 PM, Rhonda Brown wrote:
>
>> How much free space do you have on your hard drive? 10/15% is the least
>> amount you should have free.
>>
>> Are there are any applications that hog the CPU?
>>
>> Have you emptied the caches?
>> Download Onyx for Panther here
>>  & use it to
>> empty the caches.
>>
>> Using whatsize will also give you an idea of the size of your various
>> applications, perhaps there are some you don't need that removing would
>> speed things up for you.
>> You can download WhatSize for Panther here:
>> 
>
> I tried to download onto the iMac but it took ages to show the top of the
> first page. I downloaded them onto my disk and attempted to copy the files
> to the iMac. I got a message that the Server connection timed out and now I
> can't cancel the copy!
>
> I have closed all my applications and have re-launched Finder in order to
> disconnect.
>
> I partially solved the email problem via web mail, his box was full of
> rejected emails he supposedly sent to an address which meant nothing to us,
> they all had an attachment. I deleted the lot and now emails will download
> slowly. I don't suppose he has a virus? How would I find out?
>
> I think I had better start copying his files to another drive, it will
> probably take eons. Then maybe reformat the disk and start again.
>
> Thanks for the suggestions.
>
> Best wishes from Diana
>
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Re: G5 iMac Slow-Down

[Diana & Graham Stevens]

On 31/03/2009, at 3:28 PM, Diana & Graham Stevens wrote:

 Graham's iMac [PowerPC G5(3.0), 1.8 GHz, 1 GB RAM running 10.3.9] 
has become extremely slow.


 All applications run slowly and collecting email or using the 
Internet is so slow as to be useless. The connection is OK because 
my G5 still works well.


 I repaired permissions but that has not helped.

 Can anyone suggest what is wrong/how to fix it?


On 31/03/2009, at 4:12 PM, Rhonda Brown wrote:

How much free space do you have on your hard drive? 10/15% is the 
least amount you should have free.


Are there are any applications that hog the CPU?

Have you emptied the caches?
Download Onyx for Panther here 
 & use 
it to empty the caches.


Using whatsize will also give you an idea of the size of your 
various applications, perhaps there are some you don't need that 
removing would speed things up for you.

You can download WhatSize for Panther here:



I tried to download onto the iMac but it took ages to show the top of 
the first page. I downloaded them onto my disk and attempted to copy 
the files to the iMac. I got a message that the Server connection 
timed out and now I can't cancel the copy!


I have closed all my applications and have re-launched Finder in 
order to disconnect.


I partially solved the email problem via web mail, his box was full 
of rejected emails he supposedly sent to an address which meant 
nothing to us, they all had an attachment. I deleted the lot and now 
emails will download slowly. I don't suppose he has a virus? How 
would I find out?


I think I had better start copying his files to another drive, it 
will probably take eons. Then maybe reformat the disk and start again.


Thanks for the suggestions.

Best wishes from Diana

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Re: G5 iMac Slow-Down

[Diana & Graham Stevens]

On 31/03/2009, at 3:28 PM, Diana & Graham Stevens wrote:

 Graham's iMac [PowerPC G5(3.0), 1.8 GHz, 1 GB RAM running 10.3.9] 
has become extremely slow.


 All applications run slowly and collecting email or using the 
Internet is so slow as to be useless. The connection is OK because 
my G5 still works well.


 I repaired permissions but that has not helped.

 Can anyone suggest what is wrong/how to fix it?


On 31/03/2009, at 3:58 PM, Robert Howells wrote:

So how much spare hard drive space is there ...  ?

When the Mac is short of Ram it writes out to the hard drive on 
temporary files ,

so a nearly full hard drive will cause everything to slow up .

It's good to have 25% of the drive free .



According to Disk Utility there is 49.4 GB left out of 74.4 GB available.

Diana

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Re: G5 iMac Slow-Down

[Ronda Brown]

On 31/03/2009, at 3:28 PM, Diana & Graham Stevens wrote:

Graham's iMac [PowerPC G5(3.0), 1.8 GHz, 1 GB RAM running 10.3.9]  
has become extremely slow.


All applications run slowly and collecting email or using the  
Internet is so slow as to be useless. The connection is OK because  
my G5 still works well.


I repaired permissions but that has not helped.

Can anyone suggest what is wrong/how to fix it?


Hello Diana,

How much free space do you have on your hard drive? 10/15% is the  
least amount you should have free.


Are there are any applications that hog the CPU?

Have you emptied the caches?
Download Onyx for Panther here  & use it to empty the caches.


Using whatsize will also give you an idea of the size of your various  
applications, perhaps there are some you don't need that removing  
would speed things up for you.

You can download WhatSize for Panther here:


Cheers,
Ronni


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Re: G5 iMac Slow-Down

[Robert Howells]

On 31/03/2009, at 3:28 PM, Diana & Graham Stevens wrote:

Graham's iMac [PowerPC G5(3.0), 1.8 GHz, 1 GB RAM running 10.3.9]  
has become extremely slow.


All applications run slowly and collecting email or using the  
Internet is so slow as to be useless. The connection is OK because  
my G5 still works well.


I repaired permissions but that has not helped.

Can anyone suggest what is wrong/how to fix it?

Best wishes to all from Diana




Hi Diana ,

So how much spare hard drive space is there ...  ?

When the Mac is short of Ram it writes out to the hard drive on  
temporary files ,

so a nearly full hard drive will cause everything to slow up .

It's good to have 25% of the drive free .

Cheers

Bob

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Graham's iMac [PowerPC G5(3.0), 1.8 GHz, 1 GB RAM running 10.3.9] has 
become extremely slow.


All applications run slowly and collecting email or using the 
Internet is so slow as to be useless. The connection is OK because my 
G5 still works well.


I repaired permissions but that has not helped.

Can anyone suggest what is wrong/how to fix it?

Best wishes to all from Diana

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