Re: New Office for Mac 2011 due in October
Lloyd When I last looked at the 2011 Outlook beta it looked very similar to Entourage 2008, the icons, menus and colour scheme were practically the same. Honestly I think most of us wont notice a difference except the name. Patrick On 6/08/10 1:39 PM, Lloyd White lloydwh...@iinet.net.au wrote: I have never used Outlook, only Entourage. Is it the same, better or worse? If I upgraded to 2011 could I still use Entourage from the 2008 version? I.e. Can it be separated from the whole Office package? Lloyd Hi Neil I knew I'd seen it somewhere else earlier, and couldn't find the link,... That article you linked actually says only two versions, whereas the one I read lists three,.. http://www.macrumors.com/2010/08/02/microsoft-to-release-office-for-mac-201 1-in-late-october/ ---part quote--- Editions and pricing include: - Microsoft Office for Mac Home and Student 2011: Includes Word, PowerPoint, Excel, and Messenger and is priced at $119 for a single install or $149 for a Family Pack allowing up to three installs in a single household. - Microsoft Office for Mac Home and Business 2011: Includes Word, PowerPoint, Excel, Outlook, and Messenger and is priced at $199 for a single install or $279 for a Multi-Pack that allows a user to install Office on two of their Macs. - Microsoft Office for Mac Academic 2011: Includes Word, PowerPoint, Excel, Outlook, and Messenger and is available for higher education students, staff, and faculty, with a single install priced at $99. This academic version may only be purchased from authorized academic stores or direct from Microsoft. ---end quote--- All pricing is US$ of course. But it lists the cheapest version for students which does indeed have Outlook. Perhaps only because it's going to have limited availability the other article didn't list it. But yes, as in good Microsoft tradition,..lets make things confusing,.. Customer:- Hi, I'd like Microsoft Office Home Edition please Salesperson - Certainly,..here it is here *Pay, go home and install, No Outlook. Go back Customer:- Oh,..where's my Outlook, it didn't install? Salesperson - Oh,...you didn't want Office Home Edition,..you wanted Office HOME Edition :o) Obviously they think some Home and Students don't do email? Either that, or they're just saying,.you have a Mac,..use Mail.app. Kind Regards Daniel -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:wamug-unsubscr...@wamug.org.au -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:wamug-unsubscr...@wamug.org.au
Re: New Office for Mac 2011 due in October
Calling it 'outlook' instead of 'entourage' just brings it into line with the Windows naming system, I think there may have been an Outlook that worked on the Mac back in the dark ages, otherwise we would have to have used it on a Windows system to know anything about it. On 06/08/2010, at 2:29 PM, Patrick Lawrence wrote: Lloyd When I last looked at the 2011 Outlook beta it looked very similar to Entourage 2008, the icons, menus and colour scheme were practically the same. Honestly I think most of us wont notice a difference except the name. Patrick On 6/08/10 1:39 PM, Lloyd White lloydwh...@iinet.net.au wrote: I have never used Outlook, only Entourage. Is it the same, better or worse? If I upgraded to 2011 could I still use Entourage from the 2008 version? I.e. Can it be separated from the whole Office package? Lloyd Hi Neil I knew I'd seen it somewhere else earlier, and couldn't find the link,... That article you linked actually says only two versions, whereas the one I read lists three,.. http://www.macrumors.com/2010/08/02/microsoft-to-release-office-for-mac-201 1-in-late-october/ ---part quote--- Editions and pricing include: - Microsoft Office for Mac Home and Student 2011: Includes Word, PowerPoint, Excel, and Messenger and is priced at $119 for a single install or $149 for a Family Pack allowing up to three installs in a single household. - Microsoft Office for Mac Home and Business 2011: Includes Word, PowerPoint, Excel, Outlook, and Messenger and is priced at $199 for a single install or $279 for a Multi-Pack that allows a user to install Office on two of their Macs. - Microsoft Office for Mac Academic 2011: Includes Word, PowerPoint, Excel, Outlook, and Messenger and is available for higher education students, staff, and faculty, with a single install priced at $99. This academic version may only be purchased from authorized academic stores or direct from Microsoft. ---end quote--- All pricing is US$ of course. But it lists the cheapest version for students which does indeed have Outlook. Perhaps only because it's going to have limited availability the other article didn't list it. But yes, as in good Microsoft tradition,..lets make things confusing,.. Customer:- Hi, I'd like Microsoft Office Home Edition please Salesperson - Certainly,..here it is here *Pay, go home and install, No Outlook. Go back Customer:- Oh,..where's my Outlook, it didn't install? Salesperson - Oh,...you didn't want Office Home Edition,..you wanted Office HOME Edition :o) Obviously they think some Home and Students don't do email? Either that, or they're just saying,.you have a Mac,..use Mail.app. Kind Regards Daniel -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:wamug-unsubscr...@wamug.org.au -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:wamug-unsubscr...@wamug.org.au -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:wamug-unsubscr...@wamug.org.au
Re: New Office for Mac 2011 due in October
On 5/08/2010 9:29 PM, Philippe Chaperon wrote: For all the bad things one can say about Microsoft, I still do not know of any software package that will match the ability of MS Office to open very, very old documents. I can be proved wrong, but all my old documents except MS Office's ones, are now unreadable. To illustrate, I have been reading Word and Excel documents dating back to prior to 1996 complete with VBAs and Macros without the slightest problem. By the way those documents were stored on ... diskettes, yes those little floppies which the new generation of Mac users would probably not even have seen. In my view MS is not all that 'evil' and I must give them credit for their continued progress specially with Excel, which in my personal opinion, has no equal. Kind regards, Philippe C Of course the reason it's good at opening Microsoft documents is that they're in proprietary Microsoft formats. Using open document formats (such as the native formats of OpenOffice and NeoOffice) means there will be more apps that can read old documents and helps greatly with information preservation, and market competition over time. Not to mention you (and your government tax dollars) won't have to pay money to Microsoft for the licensing. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenDocument_adoption Have fun, Shay -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:wamug-unsubscr...@wamug.org.au
Re: New Office for Mac 2011 due in October
Actually, I understand Outlook for Mac is more than just a re-badging although it still doesn't support native MAPI for connecting to Exchange, something that has been a feature of Outlook for PC forever: Outlook for Mac is coming to Office 2011, replacing Entourage. Outlook for Mac is a new application that leverages the Exchange Web Services protocol and is being built using Cocoa, allowing for improved integration with the Mac OS. Today we are also announcing that Outlook for Mac will import .PST files from Outlook for Windows — a top customer request. In addition, as announced last year, Outlook for Mac features a reliable, high-speed, file-based database with Spotlight search and back-up support from Time Machine. In terms of my experience with both existing versions of the programs, LookOut(!!) is better and worse than EnterRage and both suck in general. On a PC OutLook is known to corrupt PST files (all your email) and I've had Entourage corrupt innumerable mail databases and lose thousands of my calendar appointments and email messages as well as propagate the corruptions to all my other computers and iPhone thanks to Exchange. I am now using Outlook 2007 under Parallels and VMware for all my work email and calendaring and suffering with its foibles but at least it hasn't yet lost mail. Entourage's search features are a lot better than Outlook. Outlook has far better page layout features within email messages than Entourage (think text wrap around images, HTML linking to bookmarks within the one email message etc.) Entourage is very buggy with bullets and multiple indenting Outlook handles delegation and proxy email senders better than Entourage Outlook supports server-side rules if you use an Exchange server while Entourage doesn't. Outlook has a voting buttons feature that Entourage lacks Entourage supports drag and drop from other apps (Mac feature) Thankfully Outlook for Mac 2011 gets rid of the monolithic mail database file which would always have problems with Time Machine and Spotlight (not to mention those database corruptions i mention above) and instead uses individual files for mailboxes, messages etc. I'd switch to Apple Mail and iCal if we had Exchange 2007 here at Curtin, but we are still stuck at Exchange 2003 which Apple's software doesn't support which is very frustrating. We also use shared calendars a great deal so would hope Apple's integration with Exchange 2007+ is rock solid. Of course it remains to be seen whether Microsoft's implementation of Outlook on the Mac is any good or not - I'm not holding my breath having been disappointed and frustrated too many times in the past, but we can always hope... -Mart Martin Hill mailto:mart_h...@mac.com homepages: http://web.mac.com/mart_hill Mb: 0401-103-194 hm: (08)9314-5242 On 06/08/2010, at 1:39 PM, Lloyd White wrote: I have never used Outlook, only Entourage. Is it the same, better or worse? If I upgraded to 2011 could I still use Entourage from the 2008 version? I.e. Can it be separated from the whole Office package? Lloyd Hi Neil I knew I'd seen it somewhere else earlier, and couldn't find the link,... That article you linked actually says only two versions, whereas the one I read lists three,.. http://www.macrumors.com/2010/08/02/microsoft-to-release-office-for-mac-201 1-in-late-october/ ---part quote--- Editions and pricing include: - Microsoft Office for Mac Home and Student 2011: Includes Word, PowerPoint, Excel, and Messenger and is priced at $119 for a single install or $149 for a Family Pack allowing up to three installs in a single household. - Microsoft Office for Mac Home and Business 2011: Includes Word, PowerPoint, Excel, Outlook, and Messenger and is priced at $199 for a single install or $279 for a Multi-Pack that allows a user to install Office on two of their Macs. - Microsoft Office for Mac Academic 2011: Includes Word, PowerPoint, Excel, Outlook, and Messenger and is available for higher education students, staff, and faculty, with a single install priced at $99. This academic version may only be purchased from authorized academic stores or direct from Microsoft. ---end quote--- All pricing is US$ of course. But it lists the cheapest version for students which does indeed have Outlook. Perhaps only because it's going to have limited availability the other article didn't list it. But yes, as in good Microsoft tradition,..lets make things confusing,.. Customer:- Hi, I'd like Microsoft Office Home Edition please Salesperson - Certainly,..here it is here *Pay, go home and install, No Outlook. Go back Customer:- Oh,..where's my Outlook, it didn't install? Salesperson - Oh,...you didn't want Office Home Edition,..you wanted Office HOME Edition :o) Obviously they think some Home and Students don't do email? Either that, or they're just saying,.you have a Mac,..use
Re: New Office for Mac 2011 due in October
Actually, I understand Outlook for Mac is more than just a re-badging although it still doesn't support native MAPI for connecting to Exchange, something that has been a feature of Outlook for PC forever: Outlook for Mac is coming to Office 2011, replacing Entourage. Outlook for Mac is a new application that leverages the Exchange Web Services protocol and is being built using Cocoa, allowing for improved integration with the Mac OS. Today we are also announcing that Outlook for Mac will import .PST files from Outlook for Windows — a top customer request. In addition, as announced last year, Outlook for Mac features a reliable, high-speed, file-based database with Spotlight search and back-up support from Time Machine. In terms of my experience with both existing versions of the programs, LookOut is better and worse than EnterRage and both suck in general. On a PC OutLook is known to corrupt PST files (all your email) and I've had Entourage corrupt innumerable mail databases and lose thousands of my calendar appointments and email messages as well as propagate the corruptions to all my other computers and iPhone thanks to Exchange. I am now using Outlook 2007 under Parallels and VMware for all my work email and calendaring and suffering with its foibles but at least it hasn't yet lost mail. Entourage's search features are a lot better than Outlook. Outlook has far better page layout features within email messages than Entourage (think text wrap around images, HTML linking to bookmarks within the one email message etc.) Entourage is very buggy with bullets and multiple indenting Outlook handles delegation and proxy email senders better than Entourage Outlook supports server-side rules if you use an Exchange server while Entourage doesn't. Outlook has a voting buttons feature that Entourage lacks Entourage supports drag and drop from other apps (Mac feature) Thankfully Outlook for Mac 2011 gets rid of the monolithic mail database file which would always have problems with Time Machine and Spotlight (not to mention those database corruptions i mention above) and instead uses individual files for mailboxes, messages etc. I'd switch to Apple Mail and iCal if we had Exchange 2007 here at Curtin, but we are still stuck at Exchange 2003 which Apple's software doesn't support which is very frustrating. We also use shared calendars a great deal so would hope Apple's integration with Exchange 2007+ is rock solid. Of course it remains to be seen whether Microsoft's implementation of Outlook on the Mac is any good or not - I'm not holding my breath having been disappointed and frustrated too many times in the past, but we can always hope... -Mart Martin Hill mailto:mart_h...@mac.com homepages: http://web.mac.com/mart_hill Mb: 0401-103-194 hm: (08)9314-5242 On 06/08/2010, at 1:39 PM, Lloyd White wrote: I have never used Outlook, only Entourage. Is it the same, better or worse? If I upgraded to 2011 could I still use Entourage from the 2008 version? I.e. Can it be separated from the whole Office package? Lloyd Hi Neil I knew I'd seen it somewhere else earlier, and couldn't find the link,... That article you linked actually says only two versions, whereas the one I read lists three,.. http://www.macrumors.com/2010/08/02/microsoft-to-release-office-for-mac-201 1-in-late-october/ ---part quote--- Editions and pricing include: - Microsoft Office for Mac Home and Student 2011: Includes Word, PowerPoint, Excel, and Messenger and is priced at $119 for a single install or $149 for a Family Pack allowing up to three installs in a single household. - Microsoft Office for Mac Home and Business 2011: Includes Word, PowerPoint, Excel, Outlook, and Messenger and is priced at $199 for a single install or $279 for a Multi-Pack that allows a user to install Office on two of their Macs. - Microsoft Office for Mac Academic 2011: Includes Word, PowerPoint, Excel, Outlook, and Messenger and is available for higher education students, staff, and faculty, with a single install priced at $99. This academic version may only be purchased from authorized academic stores or direct from Microsoft. ---end quote--- All pricing is US$ of course. But it lists the cheapest version for students which does indeed have Outlook. Perhaps only because it's going to have limited availability the other article didn't list it. But yes, as in good Microsoft tradition,..lets make things confusing,.. Customer:- Hi, I'd like Microsoft Office Home Edition please Salesperson - Certainly,..here it is here *Pay, go home and install, No Outlook. Go back Customer:- Oh,..where's my Outlook, it didn't install? Salesperson - Oh,...you didn't want Office Home Edition,..you wanted Office HOME Edition :o) Obviously they think some Home and Students don't do email? Either that, or they're just saying,.you have a Mac,..use
New Office for Mac 2011 due in October
Just saw this: http://www.smh.com.au/digital-life/computers/new-office-for-mac-2011-due-in -october-20100803-114at.html Microsoft said this week it would start selling the next version of its Office programs for Apple's Mac computers at the end of October. And The Home and Student edition will cost $169 to install on one computer, or $209 to install on three. Home and Business edition will cost $279 to install on one computer and $379 to install on three. People who buy Office 2008 for Mac between August 1 and November 30 can register to upgrade without extra charge when Office for Mac 2011 is available. Cheers Neil -- Neil R. Houghton Albany, Western Australia Tel: +61 8 9841 6063 Email: n...@possumology.com -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:wamug-unsubscr...@wamug.org.au
Re: New Office for Mac 2011 due in October
That is so awesome. i have been waiting ages for this. Wonder how long it will take for the fist service pack to be released. Smiles Aurora -- An Apple a day. On 05/08/2010, at 1:56 PM, Neil Houghton n...@possumology.com wrote: Just saw this: http://www.smh.com.au/digital-life/computers/new-office-for-mac-2011-due-in -october-20100803-114at.html Microsoft said this week it would start selling the next version of its Office programs for Apple's Mac computers at the end of October. And The Home and Student edition will cost $169 to install on one computer, or $209 to install on three. Home and Business edition will cost $279 to install on one computer and $379 to install on three. People who buy Office 2008 for Mac between August 1 and November 30 can register to upgrade without extra charge when Office for Mac 2011 is available. Cheers Neil -- Neil R. Houghton Albany, Western Australia Tel: +61 8 9841 6063 Email: n...@possumology.com -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:wamug-unsubscr...@wamug.org.au -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:wamug-unsubscr...@wamug.org.au
Re: New Office for Mac 2011 due in October
Hmmm It's not all good though: - They have dropped Entourage from the home and student edition - if you want/need an MS mail client you need the more expensive Home business edition (which includes Outlook) - BUT, I think the article is wrong regarding the installs numbers - whilst the top price home and student edition does include 3 installs, the top priced Home business edition only covers 2 installs not 3. - MS have changed the installs enforcement - it used to be that this was only done on a network connection basis - you could actually install the software on as many of your computers as you wanted, it was only when 2 or more were connected to a network simultaneously that it checked that they were using different licences and otherwise shut you down on a duplicated licence. Now the have moved to an activation process - as used for Windows - with all of the hasssle involved if you change computers and need to re-activate the new computer/hardware set-up. Bugger! Cheers Neil -- Neil R. Houghton Albany, Western Australia Tel: +61 8 9841 6063 Email: n...@possumology.com on 5/8/10 1:56 PM, Neil Houghton at n...@possumology.com wrote: Just saw this: http://www.smh.com.au/digital-life/computers/new-office-for-mac-2011-due-in -october-20100803-114at.html Microsoft said this week it would start selling the next version of its Office programs for Apple's Mac computers at the end of October. And The Home and Student edition will cost $169 to install on one computer, or $209 to install on three. Home and Business edition will cost $279 to install on one computer and $379 to install on three. People who buy Office 2008 for Mac between August 1 and November 30 can register to upgrade without extra charge when Office for Mac 2011 is available. Cheers Neil -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:wamug-unsubscr...@wamug.org.au
Re: New Office for Mac 2011 due in October
MS Office: - iWork: ++ With iWork reading/writing to Word/Excel/Powerpoint formats anyway, why bother with MS Office at all? So many old copies of Office lying around. Glenn Nicholas On 5 August 2010 13:56, Neil Houghton n...@possumology.com wrote: Just saw this: http://www.smh.com.au/digital-life/computers/new-office-for-mac-2011-due-in -october-20100803-114at.html Microsoft said this week it would start selling the next version of its Office programs for Apple's Mac computers at the end of October. And The Home and Student edition will cost $169 to install on one computer, or $209 to install on three. Home and Business edition will cost $279 to install on one computer and $379 to install on three. People who buy Office 2008 for Mac between August 1 and November 30 can register to upgrade without extra charge when Office for Mac 2011 is available. Cheers Neil -- Neil R. Houghton Albany, Western Australia Tel: +61 8 9841 6063 Email: n...@possumology.com -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:wamug-unsubscr...@wamug.org.au -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:wamug-unsubscr...@wamug.org.au
Re: New Office for Mac 2011 due in October
Hi Wamuggers With the advent of a new M/S Office, has anyone got a copy of Office 2008 for Mac they could dispose of or would be willing to lend me. I believe that the 2008 version provides 3 serial numbers. Thanks John On 05/08/2010, at 1:56 PM, Neil Houghton wrote: Just saw this: http://www.smh.com.au/digital-life/computers/new-office-for-mac-2011-due-in -october-20100803-114at.html Microsoft said this week it would start selling the next version of its Office programs for Apple's Mac computers at the end of October. And The Home and Student edition will cost $169 to install on one computer, or $209 to install on three. Home and Business edition will cost $279 to install on one computer and $379 to install on three. People who buy Office 2008 for Mac between August 1 and November 30 can register to upgrade without extra charge when Office for Mac 2011 is available. Cheers Neil -- Neil R. Houghton Albany, Western Australia Tel: +61 8 9841 6063 Email: n...@possumology.com -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:wamug-unsubscr...@wamug.org.au -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:wamug-unsubscr...@wamug.org.au
Re: New Office for Mac 2011 due in October
There are always the free NeoOffice and OpenOffice: http://www.neooffice.org/ http://www.openoffice.org/ Have fun, Shay On 5/08/2010 4:45 PM, John Daniels wrote: Hi Wamuggers With the advent of a new M/S Office, has anyone got a copy of Office 2008 for Mac they could dispose of or would be willing to lend me. I believe that the 2008 version provides 3 serial numbers. Thanks John On 05/08/2010, at 1:56 PM, Neil Houghton wrote: Just saw this: http://www.smh.com.au/digital-life/computers/new-office-for-mac-2011-due-in -october-20100803-114at.html Microsoft said this week it would start selling the next version of its Office programs for Apple's Mac computers at the end of October. And The Home and Student edition will cost $169 to install on one computer, or $209 to install on three. Home and Business edition will cost $279 to install on one computer and $379 to install on three. People who buy Office 2008 for Mac between August 1 and November 30 can register to upgrade without extra charge when Office for Mac 2011 is available. Cheers Neil -- Neil R. Houghton Albany, Western Australia Tel: +61 8 9841 6063 Email: n...@possumology.com -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:wamug-unsubscr...@wamug.org.au -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:wamug-unsubscr...@wamug.org.au -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:wamug-unsubscr...@wamug.org.au
Re: New Office for Mac 2011 due in October
Hehe, Yes, we always hear that ;o) However: 1. Unfortunately iWork is not as Office friendly as marketed I can take a nicely formatted Excel spreadsheet, open it in Numbers, save it, open it again (ie simulate me working on someones Excel file but without changing anything - so you can¹t blame me!) then save it in Excel format. If I then open up the saved file in Excel my original nice formatting can be very messed up nothing like the original Excel formatted spreadsheet I started with. 2. I use fairly complex Excel spreadsheets all the time and, certainly the last time I had a play with numbers, it had nowhere near the functions features of Excel not to mention the time and effort I have invested in Excel worksheets (and Excel experience). 3. Several of my Excel spreadsheets include macros which are not compatible with Numbers AFAIK. 4. Like it or not, when dealing with the wider world and exchanging files/documents people send, receive and collaborate using Excel and Word documents. Maybe if I am ever at a loose end with a week or two to spare, I will have a play with open office or neo office and see how they shape up. Cheers Neil -- Neil R. Houghton Albany, Western Australia Tel: +61 8 9841 6063 Email: n...@possumology.com on 5/8/10 4:25 PM, Glenn Nicholas at gl...@om4.com.au wrote: MS Office: - iWork: ++ With iWork reading/writing to Word/Excel/Powerpoint formats anyway, why bother with MS Office at all? So many old copies of Office lying around. Glenn Nicholas On 5 August 2010 13:56, Neil Houghton n...@possumology.com wrote: Just saw this: http://www.smh.com.au/digital-life/computers/new-office-for-mac-2011-due-in -october-20100803-114at.html http://www.smh.com.au/digital-life/computers/new-office-for-mac-2011-due-in- october-20100803-114at.html Microsoft said this week it would start selling the next version of its Office programs for Apple's Mac computers at the end of October. And The Home and Student edition will cost $169 to install on one computer, or $209 to install on three. Home and Business edition will cost $279 to install on one computer and $379 to install on three. People who buy Office 2008 for Mac between August 1 and November 30 can register to upgrade without extra charge when Office for Mac 2011 is available. Cheers Neil -- Neil R. Houghton Albany, Western Australia Tel: +61 8 9841 6063 Email: n...@possumology.com -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:wamug-unsubscr...@wamug.org.au
Re: New Office for Mac 2011 due in October
Open Office works well for me, has for years, find something useful to spend your money on? Single malt, like Johnnie Walker Blue for the cost of M$ Stuffice... Jim On 5 August 2010 13:56, Neil Houghton n...@possumology.com wrote: Just saw this: http://www.smh.com.au/digital-life/computers/new-office-for-mac-2011-due-in -october-20100803-114at.htmlhttp://www.smh.com.au/digital-life/computers/new-office-for-mac-2011-due-in%0A-october-20100803-114at.html Microsoft said this week it would start selling the next version of its Office programs for Apple's Mac computers at the end of October. And The Home and Student edition will cost $169 to install on one computer, or $209 to install on three. Home and Business edition will cost $279 to install on one computer and $379 to install on three. People who buy Office 2008 for Mac between August 1 and November 30 can register to upgrade without extra charge when Office for Mac 2011 is available. Cheers Neil -- Neil R. Houghton Albany, Western Australia Tel: +61 8 9841 6063 Email: n...@possumology.com -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:wamug-unsubscr...@wamug.org.au -- Jim Duffield 0405583977 Skype: oldozsapper All politicians are in B company, they'll B here when we go, and they'll bloody well B here if we get back! - WWI ANZAC saying -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:wamug-unsubscr...@wamug.org.au
Re: New Office for Mac 2011 due in October
Hi Neil I knew I'd seen it somewhere else earlier, and couldn't find the link,... That article you linked actually says only two versions, whereas the one I read lists three,.. http://www.macrumors.com/2010/08/02/microsoft-to-release-office-for-mac-201 1-in-late-october/ ---part quote--- Editions and pricing include: - Microsoft Office for Mac Home and Student 2011: Includes Word, PowerPoint, Excel, and Messenger and is priced at $119 for a single install or $149 for a Family Pack allowing up to three installs in a single household. - Microsoft Office for Mac Home and Business 2011: Includes Word, PowerPoint, Excel, Outlook, and Messenger and is priced at $199 for a single install or $279 for a Multi-Pack that allows a user to install Office on two of their Macs. - Microsoft Office for Mac Academic 2011: Includes Word, PowerPoint, Excel, Outlook, and Messenger and is available for higher education students, staff, and faculty, with a single install priced at $99. This academic version may only be purchased from authorized academic stores or direct from Microsoft. ---end quote--- All pricing is US$ of course. But it lists the cheapest version for students which does indeed have Outlook. Perhaps only because it's going to have limited availability the other article didn't list it. But yes, as in good Microsoft tradition,..lets make things confusing,.. Customer:- Hi, I'd like Microsoft Office Home Edition please Salesperson - Certainly,..here it is here *Pay, go home and install, No Outlook. Go back Customer:- Oh,..where's my Outlook, it didn't install? Salesperson - Oh,...you didn't want Office Home Edition,..you wanted Office HOME Edition :o) Obviously they think some Home and Students don't do email? Either that, or they're just saying,.you have a Mac,..use Mail.app. Kind Regards Daniel On 5/8/10 3:36 PM, Neil Houghton n...@possumology.com wrote: Hmmm It's not all good though: - They have dropped Entourage from the home and student edition - if you want/need an MS mail client you need the more expensive Home business edition (which includes Outlook) - BUT, I think the article is wrong regarding the installs numbers - whilst the top price home and student edition does include 3 installs, the top priced Home business edition only covers 2 installs not 3. - MS have changed the installs enforcement - it used to be that this was only done on a network connection basis - you could actually install the software on as many of your computers as you wanted, it was only when 2 or more were connected to a network simultaneously that it checked that they were using different licences and otherwise shut you down on a duplicated licence. Now the have moved to an activation process - as used for Windows - with all of the hasssle involved if you change computers and need to re-activate the new computer/hardware set-up. Bugger! Cheers Neil --- Daniel Kerr MacWizardry Phone: 0414 795 960 Email: daniel @ macwizardry . com . au Web: http://www.macwizardry.com.au **For everything Macintosh** -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:wamug-unsubscr...@wamug.org.au
Re: New Office for Mac 2011 due in October
Good evening all, If I am correct Microsoft is re-introducing support for Macros/VBA for its Mac Office suite, and if that is correct for my usage the price quoted will be worth me having the package, Entourage or not. The biggest disadvantage with Office 2008 (Mac edition) was its lack of VBA and Macros. Anyone using Excel extensively would have realised the enormous disadvantage of MS Office 2008 (Mac edition) which dropped support for VBA At least this has (??) been reintroduced and I will be using Excel 2011 for sure. Must admit that I would not use Word often, in fact most of my word processing can be done using TextEdit. For all the bad things one can say about Microsoft, I still do not know of any software package that will match the ability of MS Office to open very, very old documents. I can be proved wrong, but all my old documents except MS Office's ones, are now unreadable. To illustrate, I have been reading Word and Excel documents dating back to prior to 1996 complete with VBAs and Macros without the slightest problem. By the way those documents were stored on ... diskettes, yes those little floppies which the new generation of Mac users would probably not even have seen. In my view MS is not all that 'evil' and I must give them credit for their continued progress specially with Excel, which in my personal opinion, has no equal. Kind regards, Philippe C 2010/8/5 Daniel Kerr wa...@macwizardry.com.au Hi Neil I knew I'd seen it somewhere else earlier, and couldn't find the link,... That article you linked actually says only two versions, whereas the one I read lists three,.. http://www.macrumors.com/2010/08/02/microsoft-to-release-office-for-mac-201 1-in-late-october/ ---part quote--- Editions and pricing include: - Microsoft Office for Mac Home and Student 2011: Includes Word, PowerPoint, Excel, and Messenger and is priced at $119 for a single install or $149 for a Family Pack allowing up to three installs in a single household. - Microsoft Office for Mac Home and Business 2011: Includes Word, PowerPoint, Excel, Outlook, and Messenger and is priced at $199 for a single install or $279 for a Multi-Pack that allows a user to install Office on two of their Macs. - Microsoft Office for Mac Academic 2011: Includes Word, PowerPoint, Excel, Outlook, and Messenger and is available for higher education students, staff, and faculty, with a single install priced at $99. This academic version may only be purchased from authorized academic stores or direct from Microsoft. ---end quote--- All pricing is US$ of course. But it lists the cheapest version for students which does indeed have Outlook. Perhaps only because it's going to have limited availability the other article didn't list it. But yes, as in good Microsoft tradition,..lets make things confusing,.. Customer:- Hi, I'd like Microsoft Office Home Edition please Salesperson - Certainly,..here it is here *Pay, go home and install, No Outlook. Go back Customer:- Oh,..where's my Outlook, it didn't install? Salesperson - Oh,...you didn't want Office Home Edition,..you wanted Office HOME Edition :o) Obviously they think some Home and Students don't do email? Either that, or they're just saying,.you have a Mac,..use Mail.app. Kind Regards Daniel On 5/8/10 3:36 PM, Neil Houghton n...@possumology.com wrote: Hmmm It's not all good though: - They have dropped Entourage from the home and student edition - if you want/need an MS mail client you need the more expensive Home business edition (which includes Outlook) - BUT, I think the article is wrong regarding the installs numbers - whilst the top price home and student edition does include 3 installs, the top priced Home business edition only covers 2 installs not 3. - MS have changed the installs enforcement - it used to be that this was only done on a network connection basis - you could actually install the software on as many of your computers as you wanted, it was only when 2 or more were connected to a network simultaneously that it checked that they were using different licences and otherwise shut you down on a duplicated licence. Now the have moved to an activation process - as used for Windows - with all of the hasssle involved if you change computers and need to re-activate the new computer/hardware set-up. Bugger! Cheers Neil --- Daniel Kerr MacWizardry Phone: 0414 795 960 Email: daniel @ macwizardry . com . au Web: http://www.macwizardry.com.au **For everything Macintosh** -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:wamug-unsubscr...@wamug.org.au -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines -
Re: New Office for Mac 2011 due in October
Neil, you gave me a scare. Daniel posted the sad news of Ken's passing, then I saw three posts from you. For a moment I was taken aback. Reg Reg Whitely Home: 08 9921 7272 Mob: 04 8899 7313 Email: rwhit...@internode.on.net Web: http://web.me.com/whitelyr/Reg/ http://beachlands.wordpress.com t On 05/08/2010, at 1:56 pm, Neil Houghton wrote: Just saw this: http://www.smh.com.au/digital-life/computers/new-office-for-mac-2011-due-in -october-20100803-114at.html Microsoft said this week it would start selling the next version of its Office programs for Apple's Mac computers at the end of October. And The Home and Student edition will cost $169 to install on one computer, or $209 to install on three. Home and Business edition will cost $279 to install on one computer and $379 to install on three. People who buy Office 2008 for Mac between August 1 and November 30 can register to upgrade without extra charge when Office for Mac 2011 is available. Cheers Neil -- Neil R. Houghton Albany, Western Australia Tel: +61 8 9841 6063 Email: n...@possumology.com -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:wamug-unsubscr...@wamug.org.au -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:wamug-unsubscr...@wamug.org.au
Re: New Office for Mac 2011 due in October
Hi Reg, No, I¹m still surviving down in Albany counting the whales playing alongside Middleton Beach :o) Unfortunately, I never met Ken and, as far as I know, he was not related though from my checks of the 1901 census, back in Liverpool, my great-grandfather had had at least 11 kids over the period 1869 (my grandfather, the eldest) to 1890 so I guess it is possible there could be an Australian branch of the family (I was hoping for the bunch in the Swan Valley that make the odd bottle of wine!) Thanks for the thought though. Cheers Neil -- Neil R. Houghton Albany, Western Australia Tel: +61 8 9841 6063 Email: n...@possumology.com on 5/8/10 9:40 PM, Reg Whitely at rwhit...@internode.on.net wrote: Neil, you gave me a scare. Daniel posted the sad news of Ken's passing, then I saw three posts from you. For a moment I was taken aback. Reg Reg Whitely Home: 08 9921 7272 Mob: 04 8899 7313 Email: rwhit...@internode.on.net Web: http://web.me.com/whitelyr/Reg/ http://beachlands.wordpress.com http://beachlands.wordpress.com/ t On 05/08/2010, at 1:56 pm, Neil Houghton wrote: Just saw this: http://www.smh.com.au/digital-life/computers/new-office-for-mac-2011-due-in -october-20100803-114at.html Microsoft said this week it would start selling the next version of its Office programs for Apple's Mac computers at the end of October. And The Home and Student edition will cost $169 to install on one computer, or $209 to install on three. Home and Business edition will cost $279 to install on one computer and $379 to install on three. People who buy Office 2008 for Mac between August 1 and November 30 can register to upgrade without extra charge when Office for Mac 2011 is available. Cheers Neil -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:wamug-unsubscr...@wamug.org.au
Re: New Office for Mac 2011 due in October
I have never used Outlook, only Entourage. Is it the same, better or worse? If I upgraded to 2011 could I still use Entourage from the 2008 version? I.e. Can it be separated from the whole Office package? Lloyd Hi Neil I knew I'd seen it somewhere else earlier, and couldn't find the link,... That article you linked actually says only two versions, whereas the one I read lists three,.. http://www.macrumors.com/2010/08/02/microsoft-to-release-office-for-mac-201 1-in-late-october/ ---part quote--- Editions and pricing include: - Microsoft Office for Mac Home and Student 2011: Includes Word, PowerPoint, Excel, and Messenger and is priced at $119 for a single install or $149 for a Family Pack allowing up to three installs in a single household. - Microsoft Office for Mac Home and Business 2011: Includes Word, PowerPoint, Excel, Outlook, and Messenger and is priced at $199 for a single install or $279 for a Multi-Pack that allows a user to install Office on two of their Macs. - Microsoft Office for Mac Academic 2011: Includes Word, PowerPoint, Excel, Outlook, and Messenger and is available for higher education students, staff, and faculty, with a single install priced at $99. This academic version may only be purchased from authorized academic stores or direct from Microsoft. ---end quote--- All pricing is US$ of course. But it lists the cheapest version for students which does indeed have Outlook. Perhaps only because it's going to have limited availability the other article didn't list it. But yes, as in good Microsoft tradition,..lets make things confusing,.. Customer:- Hi, I'd like Microsoft Office Home Edition please Salesperson - Certainly,..here it is here *Pay, go home and install, No Outlook. Go back Customer:- Oh,..where's my Outlook, it didn't install? Salesperson - Oh,...you didn't want Office Home Edition,..you wanted Office HOME Edition :o) Obviously they think some Home and Students don't do email? Either that, or they're just saying,.you have a Mac,..use Mail.app. Kind Regards Daniel -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:wamug-unsubscr...@wamug.org.au
