RE: Virginia Tech Supercomputer - 1,100 Apple G5 systems
-Original Message- From: WAMUG Mailing List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Martin Hill Sent: Thursday, 4 September 2003 11:48 AM To: WAMUG Mailing List Subject: Virginia Tech Supercomputer - 1,100 Apple G5 systems Interesting to note that some of the reasons Virginia Tech has chosen G5's is that a dual 2GHz G5 can process 14 gigaflops compared to a 2GHz Pentium 4 which can only muster 1.4 gigaflops. See this diagram comparing the G5 to the fastest computers in the world: http://www.collegiatetimes.com/newsadmin/photo/1062563741.jpg they aim to become one of the 5 fastest supercomputers in the world. Pretty good endorsement of Apple's new G5 systems. -Mart snipped press release We are shooting ourselves in the foot with these press releases. You can not compare a 32 bit processor with a 64 bit processor, also the G5 is specified as DUAL processor not UNI processor. Most PC users are pointing this out and complaining that we are comparing apples with oranges. What I would like to see is a comparison of a G5 cpu against a P4 or if the G5 has only been bench marked in duals against a dual P4 set-up Regards, Kat. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.443 / Virus Database: 248 - Release Date: 10/01/2003
Re: Virginia Tech Supercomputer - 1,100 Apple G5 systems
snipped press release We are shooting ourselves in the foot with these press releases. You can not compare a 32 bit processor with a 64 bit processor, also the G5 is specified as DUAL processor not UNI processor. Most PC users are pointing this out and complaining that we are comparing apples with oranges. Yes, they should be advertising it as either the quietest or the most energy efficient supercomputer in the world :) Have fun, Shay (Imagining 1,100 startup chimes) -- === Shay Telfer Perth, Western Australia Technomancer Join Team Sungroper, race the Opinions for hire [POQ] 2003 World Solar Challenge [EMAIL PROTECTED] fnord http://sungroper.asn.au/
Re: Virginia Tech Supercomputer - 1,100 Apple G5 systems
True Katinka - the hard to read graph in the article did pit a single P4 against a dual G5. It's interesting that the graph http://www.collegiatetimes.com/newsadmin/photo/1062563741.jpg was sourced from the International Supercomputer Conference if you look at the credit - so someone thought it had some validity in a pretty high-powered forum!) Other graphs comparing a dual Xeon (the Xeon being the multi-processor capable version of the Pentium 4) against the dual G5 are of course more useful. However, I would argue that you *can* compare the G5's 64bit nature against the P4's 32bit architecture because we are comparing the main desktop CPU of both platforms. It's not Apple's fault that intel's 64-bit competitor - the Itanium (or itanic as many commentators are calling it) is only geared towards servers and not desktops and will only run 32bit software in slow software emulation mode. Or that a 64bit version of Windows is still not released or that wintel software needs to be re-compiled to take advantage of 64bits etc. What I think we are all waiting for is a bake-off between the G5 and the 64bit AMD Opteron or the upcoming desktop version, the Athalon64. That should get some sparks flying. -Mart At 3:20 PM +0800 4/9/03, Katinka Mills wrote: We are shooting ourselves in the foot with these press releases. You can not compare a 32 bit processor with a 64 bit processor, also the G5 is specified as DUAL processor not UNI processor. Most PC users are pointing this out and complaining that we are comparing apples with oranges. What I would like to see is a comparison of a G5 cpu against a P4 or if the G5 has only been bench marked in duals against a dual P4 set-up -- - Martin Hill mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Multimedia Consultant http://is.curtin.edu.au/eot/ Educational Online Technologies, Information Services, Curtin University Mobile: 0417-967-969 wk: (08)9266-3101 Fax: (08)9266-3826
RE: Virginia Tech Supercomputer - 1,100 Apple G5 systems
-Original Message- From: WAMUG Mailing List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Shay Telfer Sent: Thursday, 4 September 2003 3:41 PM To: WAMUG Mailing List Subject: Re: Virginia Tech Supercomputer - 1,100 Apple G5 systems snipped press release We are shooting ourselves in the foot with these press releases. You can not compare a 32 bit processor with a 64 bit processor, also the G5 is specified as DUAL processor not UNI processor. Most PC users are pointing this out and complaining that we are comparing apples with oranges. Yes, they should be advertising it as either the quietest or the most energy efficient supercomputer in the world :) Have fun, Shay (Imagining 1,100 startup chimes) I would just like 100 of them ;o) and a decent PCB EDA client (mmm Spectra on Mac ;o) Regards, Kat. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.443 / Virus Database: 248 - Release Date: 10/01/2003
