Re: Thoughts on membership
I have been pondering the comments from Peter and Eugene and their reasons for not being able to pay the $30.00 membership fee. I feel the need to say I was rather disappointed in some of the responses to those comments, and refer to the comment below. It is not for us to judge what is or is not a significant amount of money to someone else.It is also not very wise to be as simplistic as the comment below, about such things. It might work out to 58 cents a week but thrown on top of other expenses people have, $30.00 cannot always be found.I had a young school girl knock on my door last week, fund raising for something, and when I told her I did not want to participate she told me it was just the price of a cup of coffee after all. How patronising! She was given a rather stern talking to and sent on her way. Please don't respond to people's honest expressions of why they cannot meet the $30.00 cost in such patronising ways, it really does demean you. Kind regards Wendy On 28/06/2012, at 19:41 , Michael Hawkins wrote: Yep, the 58 cents a week is well and truly worth it! Michael. Wendy S Austin 211 Bathurst Street Hobart Tas 7000 Home: (03) 62852733 Mobile: 0409951971 -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Settings Unsubscribe - http://lists.wamug.org.au/listinfo/wamug.org.au-wamug
Re: Thoughts on membership
Hi Rosemary, That's a point well made and we will take it to heart. Thank you for bringing that up. I think that for the coming year and possibly for the remainder of this year we should look at pensioner, student, and family subscriptions. I will repeat a passage from an earlier email that may have been lost in the traffic of the past 24 hours: The second solution I would like to offer is that at the next committee meeting we will discuss some bursaries for members who really cannot afford to pay the membership fee. This would be entirely confidential between the prospective member and WAMUG. If the committee is in agreement you will see a mail out on this subject after the next committee meeting on July 17 and our website will be updated to reflect this. Best regards, Carlo On 30/06/2012, at 16:51 , Wendy S Austin wrote: I have been pondering the comments from Peter and Eugene and their reasons for not being able to pay the $30.00 membership fee. I feel the need to say I was rather disappointed in some of the responses to those comments, and refer to the comment below. It is not for us to judge what is or is not a significant amount of money to someone else.It is also not very wise to be as simplistic as the comment below, about such things. It might work out to 58 cents a week but thrown on top of other expenses people have, $30.00 cannot always be found.I had a young school girl knock on my door last week, fund raising for something, and when I told her I did not want to participate she told me it was just the price of a cup of coffee after all. How patronising!She was given a rather stern talking to and sent on her way. Please don't respond to people's honest expressions of why they cannot meet the $30.00 cost in such patronising ways, it really does demean you. Kind regards Wendy On 28/06/2012, at 19:41 , Michael Hawkins wrote: Yep, the 58 cents a week is well and truly worth it! Michael. Wendy S Austin 211 Bathurst Street Hobart Tas 7000 Home: (03) 62852733 Mobile: 0409951971 -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Settings Unsubscribe - http://lists.wamug.org.au/listinfo/wamug.org.au-wamug -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Settings Unsubscribe - http://lists.wamug.org.au/listinfo/wamug.org.au-wamug
Re: Thoughts on membership
Apologies. I meant Wendy of course. I am not sure what I was looking at when I read the name Rosemary and used it in the response. Regards, Carlo On 30/06/2012, at 17:00 , cm wrote: Hi Rosemary, That's a point well made and we will take it to heart. Thank you for bringing that up. I think that for the coming year and possibly for the remainder of this year we should look at pensioner, student, and family subscriptions. I will repeat a passage from an earlier email that may have been lost in the traffic of the past 24 hours: The second solution I would like to offer is that at the next committee meeting we will discuss some bursaries for members who really cannot afford to pay the membership fee. This would be entirely confidential between the prospective member and WAMUG. If the committee is in agreement you will see a mail out on this subject after the next committee meeting on July 17 and our website will be updated to reflect this. Best regards, Carlo On 30/06/2012, at 16:51 , Wendy S Austin wrote: I have been pondering the comments from Peter and Eugene and their reasons for not being able to pay the $30.00 membership fee. I feel the need to say I was rather disappointed in some of the responses to those comments, and refer to the comment below. It is not for us to judge what is or is not a significant amount of money to someone else.It is also not very wise to be as simplistic as the comment below, about such things. It might work out to 58 cents a week but thrown on top of other expenses people have, $30.00 cannot always be found.I had a young school girl knock on my door last week, fund raising for something, and when I told her I did not want to participate she told me it was just the price of a cup of coffee after all. How patronising!She was given a rather stern talking to and sent on her way. Please don't respond to people's honest expressions of why they cannot meet the $30.00 cost in such patronising ways, it really does demean you. Kind regards Wendy On 28/06/2012, at 19:41 , Michael Hawkins wrote: Yep, the 58 cents a week is well and truly worth it! Michael. Wendy S Austin 211 Bathurst Street Hobart Tas 7000 Home: (03) 62852733 Mobile: 0409951971 -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Settings Unsubscribe - http://lists.wamug.org.au/listinfo/wamug.org.au-wamug -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Settings Unsubscribe - http://lists.wamug.org.au/listinfo/wamug.org.au-wamug
Re: Thoughts on membership
I apologise for any offence, it was not intended as a slight. However, someone pays for the server or the ISP fee for the access to the Internet that is a necessary cost of making discussion between WAMUG members available to all. Each of us makes a decision from time to time whether to spend money on A or B, whether to buy brand X or go without. And each of us decides, consciously or otherwise, to put the time and effort that is necessary to keep something like WAMUG going. All the committee did was decide that the cost of providing a service which enables users to post a question seeking advice, or to give advice, or indeed to post at all, could be recovered in part or in whole by setting a fee for membership. It is important to note that anyone, whether a member of WAMUG or not, can read whatever is posted and thus accumulate knowledge, free of charge. This is a privilege, not a right, and any complaint is unwarranted. I am not saying that whom ever it was who posted a message to the effect that they could not afford to pay $30 a year was complaining - I cannot remember what was written - and I am not a committee member, nor have I been. Michael Hawkins. On 30/06/2012, at 4:51 PM, Wendy S Austin wendy_aus...@mac.com wrote: I have been pondering the comments from Peter and Eugene and their reasons for not being able to pay the $30.00 membership fee. I feel the need to say I was rather disappointed in some of the responses to those comments, and refer to the comment below. It is not for us to judge what is or is not a significant amount of money to someone else.It is also not very wise to be as simplistic as the comment below, about such things. It might work out to 58 cents a week but thrown on top of other expenses people have, $30.00 cannot always be found.I had a young school girl knock on my door last week, fund raising for something, and when I told her I did not want to participate she told me it was just the price of a cup of coffee after all. How patronising!She was given a rather stern talking to and sent on her way. Please don't respond to people's honest expressions of why they cannot meet the $30.00 cost in such patronising ways, it really does demean you. Kind regards Wendy On 28/06/2012, at 19:41 , Michael Hawkins wrote: Yep, the 58 cents a week is well and truly worth it! Michael. Wendy S Austin 211 Bathurst Street Hobart Tas 7000 Home: (03) 62852733 Mobile: 0409951971 -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Settings Unsubscribe - http://lists.wamug.org.au/listinfo/wamug.org.au-wamug -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Settings Unsubscribe - http://lists.wamug.org.au/listinfo/wamug.org.au-wamug
Re: Thoughts on membership
Hi Sev, Coming from you, a longtime and esteemed member of WAMUG, the comments are truly appreciated, and your contributions to the list are always welcomed. You are too much of a gentleman to name any one person, but we know that Ronni has been particularly determined to solve a number of the more knotty problems. The rest of us are happy to contribute to you Mac's well being as well in any way we can. We look forward to the day when you can make it too a meeting. All the best, Carlo On 28/06/2012, at 15:39 , Severin Crisp wrote: I have been a paid member for many years now and never grudge my annual $30; it is an investment returned to me many time over in knotty (and simple!) problems quickly resolved so that there is minimal time wasted/lost on annoying but critical issues.Apart from direct response to my own queries I find great interest and enlightenment from queries and responses from/to others. I have always been a believer in financially supporting organisations to which I belong or gain direct benefit or see useful gain to others from my support. I happily give donations to shareware writers. I am intrigued by the postings on this; $30 per year is a minimal amount, even in these harder times, and I am amazed that people jib at it. There is a significant investment in keeping WAMUG on the air and a huge effort from those dedicated souls who put in the work to make it happen. Our contributions benefit us all. I name no names but thank you all, committee, workers, expert advisers and query answerers, you know who I am talking about! I hope that one day, sometime, I may eventually attend a meeting, it is a long drive from Albany! Good wishes to all Severin Crisp Assoc Professor R Severin Crisp, FIP, CPhys, FAIP 15 Thomas St, Mount Clarence, Albany, 6330, Western Australia. Phone (08) 9842 1950 (Int'l +61 8 9842 1950) email mailto:sevcr...@westnet.com.au -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Settings Unsubscribe - http://lists.wamug.org.au/listinfo/wamug.org.au-wamug -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Settings Unsubscribe - http://lists.wamug.org.au/listinfo/wamug.org.au-wamug
Re: Thoughts on membership
I have no recall of when I found WAMUG, but a good few years ago I am sure. The $30? Worth it. And the sheer persistence in solving problems on the part of Ronni and others giving advice is a breath of fresh air in this greedy litigious society we live in. The advice wears off on others and I helping someone today by passing on advice from a WAMUG guru..! Bill On 28/06/2012, at 4:07 PM, cm wrote: Hi Sev, Coming from you, a longtime and esteemed member of WAMUG, the comments are truly appreciated, and your contributions to the list are always welcomed. You are too much of a gentleman to name any one person, but we know that Ronni has been particularly determined to solve a number of the more knotty problems. The rest of us are happy to contribute to you Mac's well being as well in any way we can. We look forward to the day when you can make it too a meeting. All the best, Carlo On 28/06/2012, at 15:39 , Severin Crisp wrote: I have been a paid member for many years now and never grudge my annual $30; it is an investment returned to me many time over in knotty (and simple!) problems quickly resolved so that there is minimal time wasted/lost on annoying but critical issues.Apart from direct response to my own queries I find great interest and enlightenment from queries and responses from/to others. I have always been a believer in financially supporting organisations to which I belong or gain direct benefit or see useful gain to others from my support. I happily give donations to shareware writers. I am intrigued by the postings on this; $30 per year is a minimal amount, even in these harder times, and I am amazed that people jib at it. There is a significant investment in keeping WAMUG on the air and a huge effort from those dedicated souls who put in the work to make it happen. Our contributions benefit us all. I name no names but thank you all, committee, workers, expert advisers and query answerers, you know who I am talking about! I hope that one day, sometime, I may eventually attend a meeting, it is a long drive from Albany! Good wishes to all Severin Crisp Assoc Professor R Severin Crisp, FIP, CPhys, FAIP 15 Thomas St, Mount Clarence, Albany, 6330, Western Australia. Phone (08) 9842 1950 (Int'l +61 8 9842 1950) email mailto:sevcr...@westnet.com.au -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Settings Unsubscribe - http://lists.wamug.org.au/listinfo/wamug.org.au-wamug -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Settings Unsubscribe - http://lists.wamug.org.au/listinfo/wamug.org.au-wamug -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Settings Unsubscribe - http://lists.wamug.org.au/listinfo/wamug.org.au-wamug
Re: Thoughts on membership
Yep, the 58 cents a week is well and truly worth it! Michael. On 28/06/2012, at 5:30 PM, Bill Parker wrote: I have no recall of when I found WAMUG, but a good few years ago I am sure. The $30? Worth it. And the sheer persistence in solving problems on the part of Ronni and others giving advice is a breath of fresh air in this greedy litigious society we live in. The advice wears off on others and I helping someone today by passing on advice from a WAMUG guru..! Bill On 28/06/2012, at 4:07 PM, cm wrote: Hi Sev, Coming from you, a longtime and esteemed member of WAMUG, the comments are truly appreciated, and your contributions to the list are always welcomed. You are too much of a gentleman to name any one person, but we know that Ronni has been particularly determined to solve a number of the more knotty problems. The rest of us are happy to contribute to you Mac's well being as well in any way we can. We look forward to the day when you can make it too a meeting. All the best, Carlo On 28/06/2012, at 15:39 , Severin Crisp wrote: I have been a paid member for many years now and never grudge my annual $30; it is an investment returned to me many time over in knotty (and simple!) problems quickly resolved so that there is minimal time wasted/lost on annoying but critical issues.Apart from direct response to my own queries I find great interest and enlightenment from queries and responses from/to others. I have always been a believer in financially supporting organisations to which I belong or gain direct benefit or see useful gain to others from my support. I happily give donations to shareware writers. I am intrigued by the postings on this; $30 per year is a minimal amount, even in these harder times, and I am amazed that people jib at it. There is a significant investment in keeping WAMUG on the air and a huge effort from those dedicated souls who put in the work to make it happen. Our contributions benefit us all. I name no names but thank you all, committee, workers, expert advisers and query answerers, you know who I am talking about! I hope that one day, sometime, I may eventually attend a meeting, it is a long drive from Albany! Good wishes to all Severin Crisp Assoc Professor R Severin Crisp, FIP, CPhys, FAIP 15 Thomas St, Mount Clarence, Albany, 6330, Western Australia. Phone (08) 9842 1950 (Int'l +61 8 9842 1950) email mailto:sevcr...@westnet.com.au -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Settings Unsubscribe - http://lists.wamug.org.au/listinfo/wamug.org.au-wamug -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Settings Unsubscribe - http://lists.wamug.org.au/listinfo/wamug.org.au-wamug -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Settings Unsubscribe - http://lists.wamug.org.au/listinfo/wamug.org.au-wamug -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Settings Unsubscribe - http://lists.wamug.org.au/listinfo/wamug.org.au-wamug
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Thank Bill and Michael! We should use the 58 cents a week in publicising the group. That can also be viewed as one-eighth of the Australian Bureau of Standards Long Macchiato Coffee. :-) Best regards, Carlo On 28/06/2012, at 17:41 , Michael Hawkins wrote: Yep, the 58 cents a week is well and truly worth it! Michael. On 28/06/2012, at 5:30 PM, Bill Parker wrote: I have no recall of when I found WAMUG, but a good few years ago I am sure. The $30? Worth it. And the sheer persistence in solving problems on the part of Ronni and others giving advice is a breath of fresh air in this greedy litigious society we live in. The advice wears off on others and I helping someone today by passing on advice from a WAMUG guru..! Bill On 28/06/2012, at 4:07 PM, cm wrote: Hi Sev, Coming from you, a longtime and esteemed member of WAMUG, the comments are truly appreciated, and your contributions to the list are always welcomed. You are too much of a gentleman to name any one person, but we know that Ronni has been particularly determined to solve a number of the more knotty problems. The rest of us are happy to contribute to you Mac's well being as well in any way we can. We look forward to the day when you can make it too a meeting. All the best, Carlo On 28/06/2012, at 15:39 , Severin Crisp wrote: I have been a paid member for many years now and never grudge my annual $30; it is an investment returned to me many time over in knotty (and simple!) problems quickly resolved so that there is minimal time wasted/lost on annoying but critical issues.Apart from direct response to my own queries I find great interest and enlightenment from queries and responses from/to others. I have always been a believer in financially supporting organisations to which I belong or gain direct benefit or see useful gain to others from my support. I happily give donations to shareware writers. I am intrigued by the postings on this; $30 per year is a minimal amount, even in these harder times, and I am amazed that people jib at it. There is a significant investment in keeping WAMUG on the air and a huge effort from those dedicated souls who put in the work to make it happen. Our contributions benefit us all. I name no names but thank you all, committee, workers, expert advisers and query answerers, you know who I am talking about! I hope that one day, sometime, I may eventually attend a meeting, it is a long drive from Albany! Good wishes to all Severin Crisp Assoc Professor R Severin Crisp, FIP, CPhys, FAIP 15 Thomas St, Mount Clarence, Albany, 6330, Western Australia. Phone (08) 9842 1950 (Int'l +61 8 9842 1950) email mailto:sevcr...@westnet.com.au -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Settings Unsubscribe - http://lists.wamug.org.au/listinfo/wamug.org.au-wamug -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Settings Unsubscribe - http://lists.wamug.org.au/listinfo/wamug.org.au-wamug -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Settings Unsubscribe - http://lists.wamug.org.au/listinfo/wamug.org.au-wamug -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Settings Unsubscribe - http://lists.wamug.org.au/listinfo/wamug.org.au-wamug -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Settings Unsubscribe - http://lists.wamug.org.au/listinfo/wamug.org.au-wamug
Re: Thoughts on membership
Ha, Michael! Maybe you should have been an Accountant not a lawyer!! Alex On 28/06/2012, at 5:41 PM, Michael Hawkins wrote: Yep, the 58 cents a week is well and truly worth it! Michael. On 28/06/2012, at 5:30 PM, Bill Parker wrote: I have no recall of when I found WAMUG, but a good few years ago I am sure. The $30? Worth it. And the sheer persistence in solving problems on the part of Ronni and others giving advice is a breath of fresh air in this greedy litigious society we live in. The advice wears off on others and I helping someone today by passing on advice from a WAMUG guru..! Bill On 28/06/2012, at 4:07 PM, cm wrote: Hi Sev, Coming from you, a longtime and esteemed member of WAMUG, the comments are truly appreciated, and your contributions to the list are always welcomed. You are too much of a gentleman to name any one person, but we know that Ronni has been particularly determined to solve a number of the more knotty problems. The rest of us are happy to contribute to you Mac's well being as well in any way we can. We look forward to the day when you can make it too a meeting. All the best, Carlo On 28/06/2012, at 15:39 , Severin Crisp wrote: I have been a paid member for many years now and never grudge my annual $30; it is an investment returned to me many time over in knotty (and simple!) problems quickly resolved so that there is minimal time wasted/lost on annoying but critical issues. Apart from direct response to my own queries I find great interest and enlightenment from queries and responses from/to others. I have always been a believer in financially supporting organisations to which I belong or gain direct benefit or see useful gain to others from my support. I happily give donations to shareware writers. I am intrigued by the postings on this; $30 per year is a minimal amount, even in these harder times, and I am amazed that people jib at it. There is a significant investment in keeping WAMUG on the air and a huge effort from those dedicated souls who put in the work to make it happen. Our contributions benefit us all. I name no names but thank you all, committee, workers, expert advisers and query answerers, you know who I am talking about! I hope that one day, sometime, I may eventually attend a meeting, it is a long drive from Albany! Good wishes to all Severin Crisp Assoc Professor R Severin Crisp, FIP, CPhys, FAIP 15 Thomas St, Mount Clarence, Albany, 6330, Western Australia. Phone (08) 9842 1950 (Int'l +61 8 9842 1950) email mailto:sevcr...@westnet.com.au -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Settings Unsubscribe - http://lists.wamug.org.au/listinfo/wamug.org.au-wamug -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Settings Unsubscribe - http://lists.wamug.org.au/listinfo/wamug.org.au-wamug -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Settings Unsubscribe - http://lists.wamug.org.au/listinfo/wamug.org.au-wamug -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Settings Unsubscribe - http://lists.wamug.org.au/listinfo/wamug.org.au-wamug -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Settings Unsubscribe - http://lists.wamug.org.au/listinfo/wamug.org.au-wamug
