Re: A new spam
Morning, On 27/07/2007, at 11:52 AM, Ronda Brown wrote: On 27/07/2007, at 11:06 AM, Rob Davies wrote: Morning On 25/07/2007, at 10:07 AM, Adam Hewitt wrote: Do not bounce these or any SPAM email. The sender is usually either a bogus account name/domain in which case you are only causing load on your ISP's server, or in the case of viruses the sender is a harvested email address out of someone else's address book, therefore bouncing it is returning it to the wrong person. Bouncing causes no more hassle to your ISP than what has already been caused by this harvested address, and by bouncing the address you have alerted email servers and spam lists not too send anymore. Hence, halting further usage of said address unless of course the original spam was sent individually to specific addresses and not as part of a batch job or cc'd. Either way you should not receive anymore Spam from that address and others within their network, including ISP - network provider. Cheers! `Rob... I agree with Adam Do not Bounce SPAM emails Delete them immediately ... don't click on anything in them! Pretty much all spam uses fake sender addresses, so that bouncing does nothing but generate yet another unwanted message to an otherwise uninvolved third party. If everybody bounced spam, then that would double the number of unwanted messages out there. Yes it does create another message, but only the header information is sent back to the address. More importunately though this address is now removed from the spammers arsenal. Hence, one address removed, and eventually ISP's network administrators - engineers would be forced to configure servers more thoroughly. Thus forcing them to become more astute to what is actually running on their networks also. IT Security is a good website to read for ways to Eliminate Spam from your Inbox. One is complaining about resending emails again, actually read this paper correctly because it recommends sending more than one and the actual cost factor not just monetary but actual time and testing would be staggering. Use the software as it was originally designed to do and it will relieve most of the pain itself. Actually configure the config scripts instead of accepting a holistic approach, ban the use of HTML email this is the number 1 problem, as spammers not only get addresses, but confirmation some one has received relevant email. Email is a form of a letter - text. More importantly people whom setup email servers or email clients should stop trying to find simple solutions and correctly setup said servers-clients. So as to stop false email addresses being created on their networks, then blaming others for doing it. Do something about it, augh!... I do not have the time, but obviously have the time to be part of the cause. Bounced emails on these servers does no more or less damage than it originally created! http://www.itsecurity.com/features/email-inbox-security-011107/ Cheers, Ronni Cheer! `Rob... -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: A new spam
-Original Message- From: WAMUG Mailing List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rob Davies Sent: Thursday, 2 August 2007 1:48 AM To: WAMUG Mailing List Subject: Re: A new spam Morning, SNIP Yes it does create another message, but only the header information is sent back to the address. More importunately though this address is now removed from the spammers arsenal. Hence, one address removed, and eventually ISP's network administrators - engineers would be forced to configure servers more thoroughly. Thus forcing them to become more astute to what is actually running on their networks also. Firstly how is your address going to be removed from the spammers arsenal if the sender address was spoofed? Secondly not all SPAM is sent using a misconfigured email server, I know for a fact that SPAMers also use stolen/fake credit cards to purchase cheap dialup accounts at ISP's and use the ISP's email server to SPAM. Without setting recipient limits and/or limit the number of emails a person can send in one day how exactly do you expect the ISP engineer to prevent this? By adding these limitations you are then imposing limits on normal users (sending news letters to their bowling club for example). IT Security is a good website to read for ways to Eliminate Spam from your Inbox. One is complaining about resending emails again, actually read this paper correctly because it recommends sending more than one and the actual cost factor not just monetary but actual time and testing would be staggering. I read that article and I did not read anything about sending emails back, let alone more than one. It did say at one point to send an email to the source outlining conditions of them sending you SPAM, however this was in the context of a legitimate company (read: real source address) sending you SPAM. Use the software as it was originally designed to do and it will relieve most of the pain itself. Actually configure the config scripts instead of accepting a holistic approach, ban the use of HTML email this is the number 1 problem, as spammers not only get addresses, but confirmation some one has received relevant email. Email is a form of a letter - text. I agree. More importantly people whom setup email servers or email clients should stop trying to find simple solutions and correctly setup said servers-clients. So as to stop false email addresses being created on their networks, then blaming others for doing it. Do something about it, augh!... I do not have the time, but obviously have the time to be part of the cause. I am guessing this is part of some deep seeded anger that we are not priviledged to understand, as I don't recall anyone in this thread blaming other people for their own server/client misconfiguration. Bounced emails on these servers does no more or less damage than it originally created! Once again I don't see how this is possible. Try bouncing an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and tell me what you think is going to happen? The email will get to your ISP's email server and sit there for a week until it decides that the remote email server doesn't actually exist (and not just temporarily offline). Meanwhile that mail server is going to try every X minutes to resend that emailhence causing unnecessary load on the server. -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: A new spam
A question that's been bugging me for years. Does Spam actually work? Do people actually buy anything advertised as spam? It makes me really angry, and I can't see how it could possibly work to begin by making your customers angry. -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: A new spam
-Original Message- From: WAMUG Mailing List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jude Sent: Thursday, 2 August 2007 9:34 AM To: WAMUG Mailing List Subject: Re: A new spam A question that's been bugging me for years. Does Spam actually work? Do people actually buy anything advertised as spam? It makes me really angry, and I can't see how it could possibly work to begin by making your customers angry. Its all a numbers game. If they send out 10 million emails and 0.1% of those buy something then thats still 10,000 sales. Most people do get angry and annoyed, but there would likely be a few people who really do want to buy Viagra over the internet. Plus I have been noticing that there is significantly more phishing emails lately than actual SPAM, and there are also enough naive people out there who fall for those as well. Adam. -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: A new spam
Morning On 25/07/2007, at 10:07 AM, Adam Hewitt wrote: Do not bounce these or any SPAM email. The sender is usually either a bogus account name/domain in which case you are only causing load on your ISP's server, or in the case of viruses the sender is a harvested email address out of someone else's address book, therefore bouncing it is returning it to the wrong person. Bouncing causes no more hassle to your ISP than what has already been caused by this harvested address, and by bouncing the address you have alerted email servers and spam lists not too send anymore. Hence, halting further usage of said address unless of course the original spam was sent individually to specific addresses and not as part of a batch job or cc'd. Either way you should not receive anymore Spam from that address and others within their network, including ISP - network provider. Cheers! `Rob... -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: A new spam
On 27/07/2007, at 11:06 AM, Rob Davies wrote: Morning On 25/07/2007, at 10:07 AM, Adam Hewitt wrote: Do not bounce these or any SPAM email. The sender is usually either a bogus account name/domain in which case you are only causing load on your ISP's server, or in the case of viruses the sender is a harvested email address out of someone else's address book, therefore bouncing it is returning it to the wrong person. Bouncing causes no more hassle to your ISP than what has already been caused by this harvested address, and by bouncing the address you have alerted email servers and spam lists not too send anymore. Hence, halting further usage of said address unless of course the original spam was sent individually to specific addresses and not as part of a batch job or cc'd. Either way you should not receive anymore Spam from that address and others within their network, including ISP - network provider. Cheers! `Rob... I agree with Adam Do not Bounce SPAM emails Delete them immediately ... don't click on anything in them! Pretty much all spam uses fake sender addresses, so that bouncing does nothing but generate yet another unwanted message to an otherwise uninvolved third party. If everybody bounced spam, then that would double the number of unwanted messages out there. IT Security is a good website to read for ways to Eliminate Spam from your Inbox. http://www.itsecurity.com/features/email-inbox-security-011107/ Cheers, Ronni -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: A new spam
On 24/07/2007, at 5:15 PM, Severin Crisp wrote: I have recently begun to receive a different type of junk/spam mail. It is quite innocent looking and inoccuous with a single .pdf attachment and appears to come from single, named individuals unknown to me. They seem to bypass the usual spam filters. I have trashed them all instantly and not opened the attachments. Has anyone else been subject to this or have any comment to make? Severin Crisp They never cease to try ... I use Mail and set up some rules which despatch most of them into my Junk box. Have Junk show sender as well as addressee and a quick ;look at the headings is usually enough to bulk trash them . The odd one still gets through , even though one of the rules requires the sender to be in my address book. Still raining here ! Bob -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: A new spam
I received one just this week Severin.Like you I deleted it. Wendy On 24 Jul 2007, at 13:15, Severin Crisp wrote: I have recently begun to receive a different type of junk/spam mail. It is quite innocent looking and inoccuous with a single .pdf attachment and appears to come from single, named individuals unknown to me. They seem to bypass the usual spam filters. I have trashed them all instantly and not opened the attachments. Has anyone else been subject to this or have any comment to make? Severin Crisp Wendy Austin Thomas Oswin Mauritius Island Mob: +2302560182 -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: A new spam
Those and numerous annoying e-cards supposedly from friends, neighbours or colleagues etc. which appear to be links to web sites. Is there a way of setting up a rule that will automatically bouncing them? Adrian Skehan [EMAIL PROTECTED] On 24/07/2007, at 5:15 PM, Severin Crisp wrote: I have recently begun to receive a different type of junk/spam mail. It is quite innocent looking and inoccuous with a single .pdf attachment and appears to come from single, named individuals unknown to me. They seem to bypass the usual spam filters. I have trashed them all instantly and not opened the attachments. Has anyone else been subject to this or have any comment to make? Severin Crisp Assoc Professor R Severin Crisp, FIP, CPhys, FAIP 15 Thomas St, Mount Clarence, Albany, 6330, Western Australia. Phone (08) 9842 1950 (Int'l +61 8 9842 1950) email mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: A new spam
Do not bounce these or any SPAM email. The sender is usually either a bogus account name/domain in which case you are only causing load on your ISP's server, or in the case of viruses the sender is a harvested email address out of someone else's address book, therefore bouncing it is returning it to the wrong person. Dropping email is the best you can (and should) do. Adam. -Original Message- From: WAMUG Mailing List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Adrian Skehan Sent: Tuesday, 24 July 2007 7:10 PM To: WAMUG Mailing List Subject: Re: A new spam Those and numerous annoying e-cards supposedly from friends, neighbours or colleagues etc. which appear to be links to web sites. Is there a way of setting up a rule that will automatically bouncing them? Adrian Skehan [EMAIL PROTECTED] On 24/07/2007, at 5:15 PM, Severin Crisp wrote: I have recently begun to receive a different type of junk/spam mail. It is quite innocent looking and inoccuous with a single .pdf attachment and appears to come from single, named individuals unknown to me. They seem to bypass the usual spam filters. I have trashed them all instantly and not opened the attachments. Has anyone else been subject to this or have any comment to make? Severin Crisp Assoc Professor R Severin Crisp, FIP, CPhys, FAIP 15 Thomas St, Mount Clarence, Albany, 6330, Western Australia. Phone (08) 9842 1950 (Int'l +61 8 9842 1950) email mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
