Re: Resetting iCloud - Photos sync data - has become Apple iCloud

[Daniel Kerr]

Hi Michael

When you install updates, or the main system itself, there’s a huge screen of 
Terms of Conditions. I’m sure it’s listed there,…(I’ve never personally sat 
down and read them all, but it does cover pretty much everything Apple, iCloud 
etc from what I’m aware).
And with every update that gets downloaded, there are links for more info.
For example,..if someone was to download macOS Sierra then the features are 
listed for iCloud Drive. For more info, it takes you to Apple’s website, which 
has more info.
Also, from the Mac App Store it has a link to a whole lot of information about 
it’s Privacy to do with it.
http://www.apple.com/au/privacy/
Any time you click an “Agree” button it’s saying there you’ve read all the 
Terms and Conditions and understand it all. (and generally most people don’t). 
Every install as a huge page of them. (most people click “Next” etc and skip 
through them all.
When a computer is first set up, (or you download a major update), all those 
Terms and Conditions are there. And each “partial” upgrade also has a page of 
them as well.
So when you installed the system that had iCloud, the Terms and Conditions 
would have been there, as part of the installation to install iCloud. (as part 
of the whole Operating System).
 
Depending on which iCloud Drive you’re referring to, as it’s slightly different 
in macOS Sierra, as it is to El Capitan as it is to Yosemite……… but it’s not 
all your “stuff” that goes up there (bar macOS Sierra Documents and Desktop), 
but you always have the facility to save them and keep them when turning it 
off. (In macOS SIerra it redownloads all the files).

“Other devices” you would own. The only way it can be used is with the AppeID, 
so unless you’re giving that to other people then obviously it’s only going to 
be your devices.

Following your example. If you bought a new computer with macOS Sierra, when 
you’re installing it one of the first or second (or maybe third, I can’t 
remember off the top of my head) is a massive window of lots of text with all 
the Terms and Conditions relating to the use of the computer and Apple software 
and iCloud and anything thing else relating to the Apple environment etc,..). 
Those same terms and conditions that every single software person or hardware 
person lets you click past when you install anything. So it’s not just Apple, 
it’s everything you install - it’s that huge page of Terms and Conditions that 
everyone clicks “I Agree” to and never reads (OK, maybe some people do, 
generally most people don’t. And to be honest, I think if some people thought 
about it, even in life when a massive contract is given to them, they skim read 
it all before signing it. Not everyone reads every single word and line of text 
in a written contract,…..they “assume” it’s all correct, and the same as what 
they’re wanting to get into/purchase/open a bank account/etc etc). Otherwise 
there’d be a lot less court cases I’m sure,….lol).
Also with macOS Sierra, when you first sign in iCloud brings up a window asking 
you if you want all your Documents and Desktop items to be stored in iCloud “to 
access from all your devices”. These are tick boxes people have the choice to 
tick or untick. (again, if not explained to them or go and read up on what 
these features are, then they may not realise what it does.).
Apple don’t “take control” of your Documents. They really don’t care. And at 
any point you can untick it to get it all back (in macOS SIerra etc).
(You may want to read that privacy link from above).
I know I personally would rather my data with Apple then say Google,…..

But again, it’s a choice. People have the option to use it or not use it at the 
end of the day……….
Apple don’t force them into anything….

On that note, I’ve spent more time on this of my holiday time then I wanted,…so 
that’s my last piece on it.  :))


Kind regards
Daniel

Sent from my iPhone 7

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> On 2 Jan 2017, at 3:45 pm, Michael Hawkins  
> wrote:
> 
> Daniel, 
> I've never used iCloud other than for its find my phone function and find my 
> Mac function and doubt that I ever will, thumb drives will do for me. 
> 
> I don't remember seeing terms, conditions, caveats or warnings. All I'm aware 
> of is if I go to system preferences then select iCloud and tick the box for 
> iCloud Drive,  a list of programs/apps come up on the screen along with a 
> statement to the effect that they'll be 

Re: Resetting iCloud - Photos sync data - has become Apple iCloud

[Michael Hawkins]

Daniel, 
 I've never used iCloud other than for its find my phone function and find my 
Mac function and doubt that I ever will, thumb drives will do for me. 

I don't remember seeing terms, conditions, caveats or warnings. All I'm aware 
of is if I go to system preferences then select iCloud and tick the box for 
iCloud Drive,  a list of programs/apps come up on the screen along with a 
statement to the effect that they'll be saved to iCloud. No warnings are given 
and there are no terms and conditions stated or referred to.

 If I untick the iCloud box a dialogue box appears "If you turn off iCloud 
Drive, all documents stored in iCloud will be deleted from this Mac." 

That statement is in bold. 

In a substantially smaller font and in a light shade of grey there is the 
further statement "Your documents will still be available on other devices 
using iCloud."

Now, I don't know who owns those "other devices", but assuming I do and no-one 
else does, what happens if I untick the iCloud box in preferences in those 
other devices? 

Nothing is said about that in the dialogue box. Instead there's a blue question 
mark, a button marked "Cancel" and another button "Delete from Mac".

Now let's assume I bought my computer with Sierra installed and transferred to 
it the content that I and I alone had created on my current computer. Correct 
me if I'm wrong, but does Apple give equal prominence any where in its blurb 
promoting the use of iCloud to the fact that doing so could result in Apple 
taking control of my documents and preventing me from accessing them unless I 
agree to recommencing the use of iCloud? 

That sort of information should not be buried away in small font wordy terms 
and conditions. Not every one has the good fortune to have their computer set 
up by someone who brings to their attention Apple's attempt to tie people to 
Apple's hardware. I'd say that that conduct is unconscionable. It's  too late 
to bring it to the buyer's attention after they'd been induced to buy Apple 
hardware because of iCloud and after they've transferred their data to the 
computer.

Regards,

Michael

Sent from my iPhone

> On 2 Jan 2017, at 2:50 pm, Daniel Kerr  wrote:
> 
> I wasn’t going to reply to this, but there is incorrect information Michael.
> That’s actually not correct.
> If you’re using iCloud Drive and your Desktop and Documents are in the cloud, 
> when you turn it off, they come back.
> I know this,…as I’ve changed it around for clients.
> 
> When it’s set up, it CLEARLY says “do you want your Documents and Desktop in 
> the Cloud”. It gives the option to move them there, it doesn’t do it straight 
> away. Again, I know this as I’ve done a lot of macOS Sierra set ups,…….and 
> that option is there, and I’ve seen the question come up multiple times. I 
> stop at that point and ask the client what they want to do and explain it. 
> Not one set up I have done, have they automatically gone to the cloud. And 
> the same for every iCloud set up, I’ve done. There is the option.
> 
> So I’m not sure what “ransom” you are referring to…….
> I’m not sure what "bee in your bonnet" you have with Apple and iCloud, but 
> they are pretty upfront with the information. They explain in lots of details 
> what iCloud is, what is does, how it can be used and gives people the option 
> to use it or not……..
> (sure it might not be there directly onscreen, but it’s in the “read more” 
> info and links that they provide when setting up iCloud. And they explain it 
> all on the webpages as well.
> 
> I’ve never seen anyone’s data ever just get “lost” and not able to be bought 
> back on any machine I’ve ever worked on. (e.g. sorry, all your info is in the 
> cloud, you can’t have it on your computer),….and I’ve done a lot of computers 
> in my time,………
> 
> It’s something that’s there. People don’t have to use it if they don’t want 
> to. If it helps or serves well, then that’s great. But no one is being forced 
> into using it. You don’t want to use the features,…don’t. Just turn it off. 
> If you find some of them useful,…turn it on. Easy!
> 
> But saying it’s being held ransom is a bit untrue I feel.
> 
> I’m sure in your field, people can’t use the excuse, “well, I didn’t read all 
> the Terms and Conditions” or “I didn’t read the legal jargon”, so I’m sure I 
> should be allowed to be let off.
> (OK, so I simplified it a little there,…but just using it as a rough 
> example,…).
> 
> Just my 2cents worth. Now back to my holiday break :)
> 
> Happy New Year to all.
> 
> Kind regards
> Daniel
> 
> Sent from my iPhone 7
> 
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> 
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> Email: 
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> 
> 
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> 
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Re: Resetting iCloud - Photos sync data - has become Apple iCloud

[Daniel Kerr]

I wasn’t going to reply to this, but there is incorrect information Michael.
That’s actually not correct.
If you’re using iCloud Drive and your Desktop and Documents are in the cloud, 
when you turn it off, they come back.
I know this,…as I’ve changed it around for clients.

When it’s set up, it CLEARLY says “do you want your Documents and Desktop in 
the Cloud”. It gives the option to move them there, it doesn’t do it straight 
away. Again, I know this as I’ve done a lot of macOS Sierra set ups,…….and that 
option is there, and I’ve seen the question come up multiple times. I stop at 
that point and ask the client what they want to do and explain it. Not one set 
up I have done, have they automatically gone to the cloud. And the same for 
every iCloud set up, I’ve done. There is the option.

So I’m not sure what “ransom” you are referring to…….
I’m not sure what "bee in your bonnet" you have with Apple and iCloud, but they 
are pretty upfront with the information. They explain in lots of details what 
iCloud is, what is does, how it can be used and gives people the option to use 
it or not……..
(sure it might not be there directly onscreen, but it’s in the “read more” info 
and links that they provide when setting up iCloud. And they explain it all on 
the webpages as well.

I’ve never seen anyone’s data ever just get “lost” and not able to be bought 
back on any machine I’ve ever worked on. (e.g. sorry, all your info is in the 
cloud, you can’t have it on your computer),….and I’ve done a lot of computers 
in my time,………

It’s something that’s there. People don’t have to use it if they don’t want to. 
If it helps or serves well, then that’s great. But no one is being forced into 
using it. You don’t want to use the features,…don’t. Just turn it off. If you 
find some of them useful,…turn it on. Easy!

But saying it’s being held ransom is a bit untrue I feel.

I’m sure in your field, people can’t use the excuse, “well, I didn’t read all 
the Terms and Conditions” or “I didn’t read the legal jargon”, so I’m sure I 
should be allowed to be let off.
(OK, so I simplified it a little there,…but just using it as a rough example,…).

Just my 2cents worth. Now back to my holiday break :)

Happy New Year to all.

Kind regards
Daniel

Sent from my iPhone 7

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Email: 
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> On 2 Jan 2017, at 2:35 pm, Michael Hawkins  
> wrote:
> 
> And if you tick the "off" box a warning appears on the screen to the effect 
> that if iCloud is turned off, all data will be removed from the computer.
> 
> If that's not being held to ransom, I don't what is
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Michael
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On 2 Jan 2017, at 2:23 pm, Michael Hawkins  
> wrote:
> 
>> All I know is that If you don't want anything to go to iCloud Drive, you 
>> have to make sure that the "On" box is not ticked.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> Michael
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On 2 Jan 2017, at 2:06 pm, Tim Law  wrote:
>> 
>>> Bill,
>>> 
>>> I don't agree that iCloud is only useful for finding a lost phone.
>>> 
>>> I didn't seek advise on iCloud security nor what my personal choices of how 
>>> the technology suits my lifestyle should be.
>>> 
>>> The purpose for my initial request for guidance and support on a technical 
>>> matter has been resolved.
>>> 
>>> Tim
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from Tim's Retina iPad 2
>>> 
>>> On 2 Jan 2017, at 1:43 pm, Bill Parker  wrote:
>>> 
 Time,
 
 I don’t think its necessary to be forced by Apple to do anything.  I use 
 Bing to search and unless I clear all sites after doing so I notice ads 
 popping up for service I was previously searching for. Kill off Cookies!  
 iCloud?  Extremely useful for finding a lost phone, but not much else.
 
 
 Bill
> On 2 Jan 2017, at 12:05, Tim Law  wrote:
> 
> Michael my recollection from the last month, was that prior to me making 
> a decision to use iCloud to sync my Photos, that I used iTunes, which I 
> understand is the default, or at least was the only option for many 
> years. 
> 
> This worked fine, but for the reasons I have already stated, I chose to 
> use iCloud for Photos, and in fact, for the full suite of its capacity - 
> Keychain, Find my iPhone, Contacts, Calendar etc.Now the ‘stuck’ 
> issue has been resolved, it works fine for me, and 

Re: Resetting iCloud - Photos sync data

[Tim Law]

It also says you can choose to keep local copies, AND copies are kept in the 
cloud so no data is lost and if you change your mind then it will all download 
again.

None of this is an insurmountable problem, it's clear, helpful, free and well 
documented with when you tick or unstick or on the apple site, this mailing 
list or various forums.

I feel like I'm being held to ransom to my initial query with way off topic 
responses!!

Sent from Tim's Retina iPad 2

> On 2 Jan 2017, at 2:35 pm, Michael Hawkins  
> wrote:
> 
> And if you tick the "off" box a warning appears on the screen to the effect 
> that if iCloud is turned off, all data will be removed from the computer.
> 
> If that's not being held to ransom, I don't what is
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Michael
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 2 Jan 2017, at 2:23 pm, Michael Hawkins 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> All I know is that If you don't want anything to go to iCloud Drive, you 
>> have to make sure that the "On" box is not ticked.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> Michael
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On 2 Jan 2017, at 2:06 pm, Tim Law  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Bill,
>>> 
>>> I don't agree that iCloud is only useful for finding a lost phone.
>>> 
>>> I didn't seek advise on iCloud security nor what my personal choices of how 
>>> the technology suits my lifestyle should be.
>>> 
>>> The purpose for my initial request for guidance and support on a technical 
>>> matter has been resolved.
>>> 
>>> Tim
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from Tim's Retina iPad 2
>>> 
 On 2 Jan 2017, at 1:43 pm, Bill Parker  wrote:
 
 Time,
 
 I don’t think its necessary to be forced by Apple to do anything.  I use 
 Bing to search and unless I clear all sites after doing so I notice ads 
 popping up for service I was previously searching for. Kill off Cookies!  
 iCloud?  Extremely useful for finding a lost phone, but not much else.
 
 
 Bill
> On 2 Jan 2017, at 12:05, Tim Law  wrote:
> 
> Michael my recollection from the last month, was that prior to me making 
> a decision to use iCloud to sync my Photos, that I used iTunes, which I 
> understand is the default, or at least was the only option for many 
> years. 
> 
> This worked fine, but for the reasons I have already stated, I chose to 
> use iCloud for Photos, and in fact, for the full suite of its capacity - 
> Keychain, Find my iPhone, Contacts, Calendar etc.Now the ‘stuck’ 
> issue has been resolved, it works fine for me, and as I said, my 
> recollection is that using anything to sync is optional - iTunes still 
> works across the home network and for years did this without fuss and no 
> use of external data.   Yes, I do live and function within constant 
> access to 4G coverage and cable broadband. I also travel remotely and 
> prepare myself for the inevitable loss of connectivity by ensuring I have 
> local copies of data I may need.  I understand not everyone is as 
> privileged as I am. Sadly, I cannot resolve this, but I do believe Apple 
> accommodates by giving syncing options that are quite reasonable. 
> 
> I’m not sure Apple is forcing anyone to do anything - choosing iTunes, or 
> iCloud, or nothing to sync photos or other choices is the user choice.  
> If you have found iCloud syncing is turned on by default, I would be 
> surprised as I found I needed to sign into iCloud for all this to work, 
> and during that sign in process, there are options I had to tick, or 
> untick to select my options.
> 
> I’ve never found anything I have loaded to my Apple servers being used 
> for commercial gain “that I know about”.  I find it amusing that many 
> people, not saying you’re in this group Michael, use a free platform such 
> as Facebook for an enormous amount of personal data. It’s all free, 
> zilch, no cost, same as Twitter, Instagram, Snapchat etc etc and then 
> there is an outcry when these companies need to make money to continue to 
> provide this free platform. They get money from advertising that tracks 
> our usage and viewing habits and targets advertising to ’suit’ us.  I’m 
> sure Google Maps, or TomTom sell data  to transport planners that they 
> collect as we use route directions on connected GPS devices. Is this not 
> the same thing as using our information for commercial gain? 
> 
> My recollection of the Census fiasco was that no data was lost nor 
> corrupted. There were connection issues that we all experienced, but 
> there was no data loss nor hacking. 
> 
> I am sorry you are frustrated Michael, but this is drifting well away 
> from my original query about the technical aspects of me using iCloud. As 
> I see it, you DO have choices and iCloud 

Re: Resetting iCloud - Photos sync data

[Tim Law]

Well.. Yes. That IS true on several levels.

My initial query was very clearly about me wanting, desperately to make sure it 
DID sync.

The only replies I have had are from nay sayers with other beefs about iCloud 
that are spurious to the initial query, and further responses to this thread 
are not necessary.

Regards
Tim

Sent from Tim's Retina iPad 2

> On 2 Jan 2017, at 2:23 pm, Michael Hawkins  
> wrote:
> 
> All I know is that If you don't want anything to go to iCloud Drive, you have 
> to make sure that the "On" box is not ticked.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Michael
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 2 Jan 2017, at 2:06 pm, Tim Law  wrote:
>> 
>> Bill,
>> 
>> I don't agree that iCloud is only useful for finding a lost phone.
>> 
>> I didn't seek advise on iCloud security nor what my personal choices of how 
>> the technology suits my lifestyle should be.
>> 
>> The purpose for my initial request for guidance and support on a technical 
>> matter has been resolved.
>> 
>> Tim
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from Tim's Retina iPad 2
>> 
>>> On 2 Jan 2017, at 1:43 pm, Bill Parker  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Time,
>>> 
>>> I don’t think its necessary to be forced by Apple to do anything.  I use 
>>> Bing to search and unless I clear all sites after doing so I notice ads 
>>> popping up for service I was previously searching for. Kill off Cookies!  
>>> iCloud?  Extremely useful for finding a lost phone, but not much else.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Bill
 On 2 Jan 2017, at 12:05, Tim Law  wrote:
 
 Michael my recollection from the last month, was that prior to me making a 
 decision to use iCloud to sync my Photos, that I used iTunes, which I 
 understand is the default, or at least was the only option for many years. 
 
 This worked fine, but for the reasons I have already stated, I chose to 
 use iCloud for Photos, and in fact, for the full suite of its capacity - 
 Keychain, Find my iPhone, Contacts, Calendar etc.Now the ‘stuck’ issue 
 has been resolved, it works fine for me, and as I said, my recollection is 
 that using anything to sync is optional - iTunes still works across the 
 home network and for years did this without fuss and no use of external 
 data.   Yes, I do live and function within constant access to 4G coverage 
 and cable broadband. I also travel remotely and prepare myself for the 
 inevitable loss of connectivity by ensuring I have local copies of data I 
 may need.  I understand not everyone is as privileged as I am. Sadly, I 
 cannot resolve this, but I do believe Apple accommodates by giving syncing 
 options that are quite reasonable. 
 
 I’m not sure Apple is forcing anyone to do anything - choosing iTunes, or 
 iCloud, or nothing to sync photos or other choices is the user choice.  If 
 you have found iCloud syncing is turned on by default, I would be 
 surprised as I found I needed to sign into iCloud for all this to work, 
 and during that sign in process, there are options I had to tick, or 
 untick to select my options.
 
 I’ve never found anything I have loaded to my Apple servers being used for 
 commercial gain “that I know about”.  I find it amusing that many people, 
 not saying you’re in this group Michael, use a free platform such as 
 Facebook for an enormous amount of personal data. It’s all free, zilch, no 
 cost, same as Twitter, Instagram, Snapchat etc etc and then there is an 
 outcry when these companies need to make money to continue to provide this 
 free platform. They get money from advertising that tracks our usage and 
 viewing habits and targets advertising to ’suit’ us.  I’m sure Google 
 Maps, or TomTom sell data  to transport planners that they collect as we 
 use route directions on connected GPS devices. Is this not the same thing 
 as using our information for commercial gain? 
 
 My recollection of the Census fiasco was that no data was lost nor 
 corrupted. There were connection issues that we all experienced, but there 
 was no data loss nor hacking. 
 
 I am sorry you are frustrated Michael, but this is drifting well away from 
 my original query about the technical aspects of me using iCloud. As I see 
 it, you DO have choices and iCloud is not set by default. There are many 
 things to get frustrated about in the world, there appears to be no reason 
 to make this one more of them. 
 
 Best wishes for the New Year. 
 
 Tim
 
 
 
> On 1 Jan 2017, at 10:40 AM, Michael Hawkins 
>  wrote:
> 
> Thanks Tim. What underpinned my email was my frustration with what I see 
> as Apple's  less than open tactic of making uploading to iCloud the 
> default setting when iOS updates are released. I don't know what 

Re: Resetting iCloud - Photos sync data

[Michael Hawkins]

And if you tick the "off" box a warning appears on the screen to the effect 
that if iCloud is turned off, all data will be removed from the computer.

If that's not being held to ransom, I don't what is

Cheers,

Michael

Sent from my iPhone

> On 2 Jan 2017, at 2:23 pm, Michael Hawkins  
> wrote:
> 
> All I know is that If you don't want anything to go to iCloud Drive, you have 
> to make sure that the "On" box is not ticked.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Michael
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 2 Jan 2017, at 2:06 pm, Tim Law  wrote:
>> 
>> Bill,
>> 
>> I don't agree that iCloud is only useful for finding a lost phone.
>> 
>> I didn't seek advise on iCloud security nor what my personal choices of how 
>> the technology suits my lifestyle should be.
>> 
>> The purpose for my initial request for guidance and support on a technical 
>> matter has been resolved.
>> 
>> Tim
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from Tim's Retina iPad 2
>> 
>>> On 2 Jan 2017, at 1:43 pm, Bill Parker  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Time,
>>> 
>>> I don’t think its necessary to be forced by Apple to do anything.  I use 
>>> Bing to search and unless I clear all sites after doing so I notice ads 
>>> popping up for service I was previously searching for. Kill off Cookies!  
>>> iCloud?  Extremely useful for finding a lost phone, but not much else.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Bill
 On 2 Jan 2017, at 12:05, Tim Law  wrote:
 
 Michael my recollection from the last month, was that prior to me making a 
 decision to use iCloud to sync my Photos, that I used iTunes, which I 
 understand is the default, or at least was the only option for many years. 
 
 This worked fine, but for the reasons I have already stated, I chose to 
 use iCloud for Photos, and in fact, for the full suite of its capacity - 
 Keychain, Find my iPhone, Contacts, Calendar etc.Now the ‘stuck’ issue 
 has been resolved, it works fine for me, and as I said, my recollection is 
 that using anything to sync is optional - iTunes still works across the 
 home network and for years did this without fuss and no use of external 
 data.   Yes, I do live and function within constant access to 4G coverage 
 and cable broadband. I also travel remotely and prepare myself for the 
 inevitable loss of connectivity by ensuring I have local copies of data I 
 may need.  I understand not everyone is as privileged as I am. Sadly, I 
 cannot resolve this, but I do believe Apple accommodates by giving syncing 
 options that are quite reasonable. 
 
 I’m not sure Apple is forcing anyone to do anything - choosing iTunes, or 
 iCloud, or nothing to sync photos or other choices is the user choice.  If 
 you have found iCloud syncing is turned on by default, I would be 
 surprised as I found I needed to sign into iCloud for all this to work, 
 and during that sign in process, there are options I had to tick, or 
 untick to select my options.
 
 I’ve never found anything I have loaded to my Apple servers being used for 
 commercial gain “that I know about”.  I find it amusing that many people, 
 not saying you’re in this group Michael, use a free platform such as 
 Facebook for an enormous amount of personal data. It’s all free, zilch, no 
 cost, same as Twitter, Instagram, Snapchat etc etc and then there is an 
 outcry when these companies need to make money to continue to provide this 
 free platform. They get money from advertising that tracks our usage and 
 viewing habits and targets advertising to ’suit’ us.  I’m sure Google 
 Maps, or TomTom sell data  to transport planners that they collect as we 
 use route directions on connected GPS devices. Is this not the same thing 
 as using our information for commercial gain? 
 
 My recollection of the Census fiasco was that no data was lost nor 
 corrupted. There were connection issues that we all experienced, but there 
 was no data loss nor hacking. 
 
 I am sorry you are frustrated Michael, but this is drifting well away from 
 my original query about the technical aspects of me using iCloud. As I see 
 it, you DO have choices and iCloud is not set by default. There are many 
 things to get frustrated about in the world, there appears to be no reason 
 to make this one more of them. 
 
 Best wishes for the New Year. 
 
 Tim
 
 
 
> On 1 Jan 2017, at 10:40 AM, Michael Hawkins 
>  wrote:
> 
> Thanks Tim. What underpinned my email was my frustration with what I see 
> as Apple's  less than open tactic of making uploading to iCloud the 
> default setting when iOS updates are released. I don't know what the 
> privacy laws are in whichever Country the server is housed, and the 
> debacle with the Australian 

Re: Resetting iCloud - Photos sync data

[Michael Hawkins]

All I know is that If you don't want anything to go to iCloud Drive, you have 
to make sure that the "On" box is not ticked.

Cheers,

Michael

Sent from my iPhone

> On 2 Jan 2017, at 2:06 pm, Tim Law  wrote:
> 
> Bill,
> 
> I don't agree that iCloud is only useful for finding a lost phone.
> 
> I didn't seek advise on iCloud security nor what my personal choices of how 
> the technology suits my lifestyle should be.
> 
> The purpose for my initial request for guidance and support on a technical 
> matter has been resolved.
> 
> Tim
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from Tim's Retina iPad 2
> 
>> On 2 Jan 2017, at 1:43 pm, Bill Parker  wrote:
>> 
>> Time,
>> 
>> I don’t think its necessary to be forced by Apple to do anything.  I use 
>> Bing to search and unless I clear all sites after doing so I notice ads 
>> popping up for service I was previously searching for. Kill off Cookies!  
>> iCloud?  Extremely useful for finding a lost phone, but not much else.
>> 
>> 
>> Bill
>>> On 2 Jan 2017, at 12:05, Tim Law  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Michael my recollection from the last month, was that prior to me making a 
>>> decision to use iCloud to sync my Photos, that I used iTunes, which I 
>>> understand is the default, or at least was the only option for many years. 
>>> 
>>> This worked fine, but for the reasons I have already stated, I chose to use 
>>> iCloud for Photos, and in fact, for the full suite of its capacity - 
>>> Keychain, Find my iPhone, Contacts, Calendar etc.Now the ‘stuck’ issue 
>>> has been resolved, it works fine for me, and as I said, my recollection is 
>>> that using anything to sync is optional - iTunes still works across the 
>>> home network and for years did this without fuss and no use of external 
>>> data.   Yes, I do live and function within constant access to 4G coverage 
>>> and cable broadband. I also travel remotely and prepare myself for the 
>>> inevitable loss of connectivity by ensuring I have local copies of data I 
>>> may need.  I understand not everyone is as privileged as I am. Sadly, I 
>>> cannot resolve this, but I do believe Apple accommodates by giving syncing 
>>> options that are quite reasonable. 
>>> 
>>> I’m not sure Apple is forcing anyone to do anything - choosing iTunes, or 
>>> iCloud, or nothing to sync photos or other choices is the user choice.  If 
>>> you have found iCloud syncing is turned on by default, I would be surprised 
>>> as I found I needed to sign into iCloud for all this to work, and during 
>>> that sign in process, there are options I had to tick, or untick to select 
>>> my options.
>>> 
>>> I’ve never found anything I have loaded to my Apple servers being used for 
>>> commercial gain “that I know about”.  I find it amusing that many people, 
>>> not saying you’re in this group Michael, use a free platform such as 
>>> Facebook for an enormous amount of personal data. It’s all free, zilch, no 
>>> cost, same as Twitter, Instagram, Snapchat etc etc and then there is an 
>>> outcry when these companies need to make money to continue to provide this 
>>> free platform. They get money from advertising that tracks our usage and 
>>> viewing habits and targets advertising to ’suit’ us.  I’m sure Google Maps, 
>>> or TomTom sell data  to transport planners that they collect as we use 
>>> route directions on connected GPS devices. Is this not the same thing as 
>>> using our information for commercial gain? 
>>> 
>>> My recollection of the Census fiasco was that no data was lost nor 
>>> corrupted. There were connection issues that we all experienced, but there 
>>> was no data loss nor hacking. 
>>> 
>>> I am sorry you are frustrated Michael, but this is drifting well away from 
>>> my original query about the technical aspects of me using iCloud. As I see 
>>> it, you DO have choices and iCloud is not set by default. There are many 
>>> things to get frustrated about in the world, there appears to be no reason 
>>> to make this one more of them. 
>>> 
>>> Best wishes for the New Year. 
>>> 
>>> Tim
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On 1 Jan 2017, at 10:40 AM, Michael Hawkins 
  wrote:
 
 Thanks Tim. What underpinned my email was my frustration with what I see 
 as Apple's  less than open tactic of making uploading to iCloud the 
 default setting when iOS updates are released. I don't know what the 
 privacy laws are in whichever Country the server is housed, and the 
 debacle with the Australian census last year illustrates that no system is 
 safe from database corruption.
 
 If someone has more than one Apple device and wants to share content 
 between the devices or make it possible for one device to access another, 
 it should be that person's decision to set the system up so that that can 
 be done.
 
 We don't all live in a location with ready Internet access, or quick 
 upload and download 

Re: Resetting iCloud - Photos sync data

[Tim Law]

Bill,

I don't agree that iCloud is only useful for finding a lost phone.

I didn't seek advise on iCloud security nor what my personal choices of how the 
technology suits my lifestyle should be.

The purpose for my initial request for guidance and support on a technical 
matter has been resolved.

Tim




Sent from Tim's Retina iPad 2

> On 2 Jan 2017, at 1:43 pm, Bill Parker  wrote:
> 
> Time,
> 
> I don’t think its necessary to be forced by Apple to do anything.  I use Bing 
> to search and unless I clear all sites after doing so I notice ads popping up 
> for service I was previously searching for. Kill off Cookies!  iCloud?  
> Extremely useful for finding a lost phone, but not much else.
> 
> 
> Bill
>> On 2 Jan 2017, at 12:05, Tim Law  wrote:
>> 
>> Michael my recollection from the last month, was that prior to me making a 
>> decision to use iCloud to sync my Photos, that I used iTunes, which I 
>> understand is the default, or at least was the only option for many years. 
>> 
>> This worked fine, but for the reasons I have already stated, I chose to use 
>> iCloud for Photos, and in fact, for the full suite of its capacity - 
>> Keychain, Find my iPhone, Contacts, Calendar etc.Now the ‘stuck’ issue 
>> has been resolved, it works fine for me, and as I said, my recollection is 
>> that using anything to sync is optional - iTunes still works across the home 
>> network and for years did this without fuss and no use of external data.   
>> Yes, I do live and function within constant access to 4G coverage and cable 
>> broadband. I also travel remotely and prepare myself for the inevitable loss 
>> of connectivity by ensuring I have local copies of data I may need.  I 
>> understand not everyone is as privileged as I am. Sadly, I cannot resolve 
>> this, but I do believe Apple accommodates by giving syncing options that are 
>> quite reasonable. 
>> 
>> I’m not sure Apple is forcing anyone to do anything - choosing iTunes, or 
>> iCloud, or nothing to sync photos or other choices is the user choice.  If 
>> you have found iCloud syncing is turned on by default, I would be surprised 
>> as I found I needed to sign into iCloud for all this to work, and during 
>> that sign in process, there are options I had to tick, or untick to select 
>> my options.
>> 
>> I’ve never found anything I have loaded to my Apple servers being used for 
>> commercial gain “that I know about”.  I find it amusing that many people, 
>> not saying you’re in this group Michael, use a free platform such as 
>> Facebook for an enormous amount of personal data. It’s all free, zilch, no 
>> cost, same as Twitter, Instagram, Snapchat etc etc and then there is an 
>> outcry when these companies need to make money to continue to provide this 
>> free platform. They get money from advertising that tracks our usage and 
>> viewing habits and targets advertising to ’suit’ us.  I’m sure Google Maps, 
>> or TomTom sell data  to transport planners that they collect as we use route 
>> directions on connected GPS devices. Is this not the same thing as using our 
>> information for commercial gain? 
>> 
>> My recollection of the Census fiasco was that no data was lost nor 
>> corrupted. There were connection issues that we all experienced, but there 
>> was no data loss nor hacking. 
>> 
>> I am sorry you are frustrated Michael, but this is drifting well away from 
>> my original query about the technical aspects of me using iCloud. As I see 
>> it, you DO have choices and iCloud is not set by default. There are many 
>> things to get frustrated about in the world, there appears to be no reason 
>> to make this one more of them. 
>> 
>> Best wishes for the New Year. 
>> 
>> Tim
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 1 Jan 2017, at 10:40 AM, Michael Hawkins 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Thanks Tim. What underpinned my email was my frustration with what I see as 
>>> Apple's  less than open tactic of making uploading to iCloud the default 
>>> setting when iOS updates are released. I don't know what the privacy laws 
>>> are in whichever Country the server is housed, and the debacle with the 
>>> Australian census last year illustrates that no system is safe from 
>>> database corruption.
>>> 
>>> If someone has more than one Apple device and wants to share content 
>>> between the devices or make it possible for one device to access another, 
>>> it should be that person's decision to set the system up so that that can 
>>> be done.
>>> 
>>> We don't all live in a location with ready Internet access, or quick upload 
>>> and download speeds. Nor do we all live in a place where access to the 
>>> Internet is cheap.
>>> 
>>> In other words the decision to transmit data over the internet should be a 
>>> conscious deliberate decision made by the person who owns the data, and 
>>> causing the data to be uploaded by default for commercial gain is 
>>> reprehensible.
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> 

Re: Resetting iCloud - Photos sync data

[Bill Parker]

Time,

I don’t think its necessary to be forced by Apple to do anything.  I use Bing 
to search and unless I clear all sites after doing so I notice ads popping up 
for service I was previously searching for. Kill off Cookies!  iCloud?  
Extremely useful for finding a lost phone, but not much else.


Bill
> On 2 Jan 2017, at 12:05, Tim Law  wrote:
> 
> Michael my recollection from the last month, was that prior to me making a 
> decision to use iCloud to sync my Photos, that I used iTunes, which I 
> understand is the default, or at least was the only option for many years. 
> 
> This worked fine, but for the reasons I have already stated, I chose to use 
> iCloud for Photos, and in fact, for the full suite of its capacity - 
> Keychain, Find my iPhone, Contacts, Calendar etc.Now the ‘stuck’ issue 
> has been resolved, it works fine for me, and as I said, my recollection is 
> that using anything to sync is optional - iTunes still works across the home 
> network and for years did this without fuss and no use of external data.   
> Yes, I do live and function within constant access to 4G coverage and cable 
> broadband. I also travel remotely and prepare myself for the inevitable loss 
> of connectivity by ensuring I have local copies of data I may need.  I 
> understand not everyone is as privileged as I am. Sadly, I cannot resolve 
> this, but I do believe Apple accommodates by giving syncing options that are 
> quite reasonable. 
> 
> I’m not sure Apple is forcing anyone to do anything - choosing iTunes, or 
> iCloud, or nothing to sync photos or other choices is the user choice.  If 
> you have found iCloud syncing is turned on by default, I would be surprised 
> as I found I needed to sign into iCloud for all this to work, and during that 
> sign in process, there are options I had to tick, or untick to select my 
> options.
> 
> I’ve never found anything I have loaded to my Apple servers being used for 
> commercial gain “that I know about”.  I find it amusing that many people, not 
> saying you’re in this group Michael, use a free platform such as Facebook for 
> an enormous amount of personal data. It’s all free, zilch, no cost, same as 
> Twitter, Instagram, Snapchat etc etc and then there is an outcry when these 
> companies need to make money to continue to provide this free platform. They 
> get money from advertising that tracks our usage and viewing habits and 
> targets advertising to ’suit’ us.  I’m sure Google Maps, or TomTom sell data  
> to transport planners that they collect as we use route directions on 
> connected GPS devices. Is this not the same thing as using our information 
> for commercial gain? 
> 
> My recollection of the Census fiasco was that no data was lost nor corrupted. 
> There were connection issues that we all experienced, but there was no data 
> loss nor hacking. 
> 
> I am sorry you are frustrated Michael, but this is drifting well away from my 
> original query about the technical aspects of me using iCloud. As I see it, 
> you DO have choices and iCloud is not set by default. There are many things 
> to get frustrated about in the world, there appears to be no reason to make 
> this one more of them. 
> 
> Best wishes for the New Year. 
> 
> Tim
> 
> 
> 
>> On 1 Jan 2017, at 10:40 AM, Michael Hawkins 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Thanks Tim. What underpinned my email was my frustration with what I see as 
>> Apple's  less than open tactic of making uploading to iCloud the default 
>> setting when iOS updates are released. I don't know what the privacy laws 
>> are in whichever Country the server is housed, and the debacle with the 
>> Australian census last year illustrates that no system is safe from database 
>> corruption.
>> 
>> If someone has more than one Apple device and wants to share content between 
>> the devices or make it possible for one device to access another, it should 
>> be that person's decision to set the system up so that that can be done.
>> 
>> We don't all live in a location with ready Internet access, or quick upload 
>> and download speeds. Nor do we all live in a place where access to the 
>> Internet is cheap.
>> 
>> In other words the decision to transmit data over the internet should be a 
>> conscious deliberate decision made by the person who owns the data, and 
>> causing the data to be uploaded by default for commercial gain is 
>> reprehensible.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> Michael
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On 1 Jan 2017, at 10:14 am, Tim Law  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Fair question Michael,
>>> 
>>> The advantage of iCloud syncing as I see it, is that you can have one 
>>> ‘master’ computer where you download and store the originals photos, AS 
>>> WELL AS storing the full sized versions on the cloud. This enables Time 
>>> Machine and Super Duper to back up the photos if iCloud flies away into 
>>> dark matter.  I’ve lost many photos before due to hard 

Re: Resetting iCloud - Photos sync data

[Tim Law]

Michael my recollection from the last month, was that prior to me making a 
decision to use iCloud to sync my Photos, that I used iTunes, which I 
understand is the default, or at least was the only option for many years. 

This worked fine, but for the reasons I have already stated, I chose to use 
iCloud for Photos, and in fact, for the full suite of its capacity - Keychain, 
Find my iPhone, Contacts, Calendar etc.Now the ‘stuck’ issue has been 
resolved, it works fine for me, and as I said, my recollection is that using 
anything to sync is optional - iTunes still works across the home network and 
for years did this without fuss and no use of external data.   Yes, I do live 
and function within constant access to 4G coverage and cable broadband. I also 
travel remotely and prepare myself for the inevitable loss of connectivity by 
ensuring I have local copies of data I may need.  I understand not everyone is 
as privileged as I am. Sadly, I cannot resolve this, but I do believe Apple 
accommodates by giving syncing options that are quite reasonable. 

I’m not sure Apple is forcing anyone to do anything - choosing iTunes, or 
iCloud, or nothing to sync photos or other choices is the user choice.  If you 
have found iCloud syncing is turned on by default, I would be surprised as I 
found I needed to sign into iCloud for all this to work, and during that sign 
in process, there are options I had to tick, or untick to select my options.

I’ve never found anything I have loaded to my Apple servers being used for 
commercial gain “that I know about”.  I find it amusing that many people, not 
saying you’re in this group Michael, use a free platform such as Facebook for 
an enormous amount of personal data. It’s all free, zilch, no cost, same as 
Twitter, Instagram, Snapchat etc etc and then there is an outcry when these 
companies need to make money to continue to provide this free platform. They 
get money from advertising that tracks our usage and viewing habits and targets 
advertising to ’suit’ us.  I’m sure Google Maps, or TomTom sell data  to 
transport planners that they collect as we use route directions on connected 
GPS devices. Is this not the same thing as using our information for commercial 
gain? 

My recollection of the Census fiasco was that no data was lost nor corrupted. 
There were connection issues that we all experienced, but there was no data 
loss nor hacking. 

I am sorry you are frustrated Michael, but this is drifting well away from my 
original query about the technical aspects of me using iCloud. As I see it, you 
DO have choices and iCloud is not set by default. There are many things to get 
frustrated about in the world, there appears to be no reason to make this one 
more of them. 

Best wishes for the New Year. 

Tim



> On 1 Jan 2017, at 10:40 AM, Michael Hawkins 
>  wrote:
> 
> Thanks Tim. What underpinned my email was my frustration with what I see as 
> Apple's  less than open tactic of making uploading to iCloud the default 
> setting when iOS updates are released. I don't know what the privacy laws are 
> in whichever Country the server is housed, and the debacle with the 
> Australian census last year illustrates that no system is safe from database 
> corruption.
> 
> If someone has more than one Apple device and wants to share content between 
> the devices or make it possible for one device to access another, it should 
> be that person's decision to set the system up so that that can be done.
> 
> We don't all live in a location with ready Internet access, or quick upload 
> and download speeds. Nor do we all live in a place where access to the 
> Internet is cheap.
> 
> In other words the decision to transmit data over the internet should be a 
> conscious deliberate decision made by the person who owns the data, and 
> causing the data to be uploaded by default for commercial gain is 
> reprehensible.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Michael
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 1 Jan 2017, at 10:14 am, Tim Law  wrote:
>> 
>> Fair question Michael,
>> 
>> The advantage of iCloud syncing as I see it, is that you can have one 
>> ‘master’ computer where you download and store the originals photos, AS WELL 
>> AS storing the full sized versions on the cloud. This enables Time Machine 
>> and Super Duper to back up the photos if iCloud flies away into dark matter. 
>>  I’ve lost many photos before due to hard disk failure and don’t want to go 
>> through that again. 
>> 
>> The other advantage is that it only downloads smaller images to all the 
>> other devices, sized to suit that device. The entire photo library is on 
>> each of these devices, all 15000, not like using Photo Stream which only put 
>> 1000 photos on the mobile devices.   I am not likely to NEED to view all 
>> those on the other devices, but inevitably when I wanted to show someone a 
>> photo from a year before for example, when using Photo Stream, and 

Re: Resetting iCloud - Photos sync data

[Rob Phillips]

I agree wholeheartedly!
Rob

On 1/1/17 10:40 am, Michael Hawkins wrote:

Thanks Tim. What underpinned my email was my frustration with what I see as 
Apple's  less than open tactic of making uploading to iCloud the default 
setting when iOS updates are released. I don't know what the privacy laws are 
in whichever Country the server is housed, and the debacle with the Australian 
census last year illustrates that no system is safe from database corruption.

If someone has more than one Apple device and wants to share content between 
the devices or make it possible for one device to access another, it should be 
that person's decision to set the system up so that that can be done.

We don't all live in a location with ready Internet access, or quick upload and 
download speeds. Nor do we all live in a place where access to the Internet is 
cheap.

In other words the decision to transmit data over the internet should be a 
conscious deliberate decision made by the person who owns the data, and causing 
the data to be uploaded by default for commercial gain is reprehensible.

Cheers,

Michael
Sent from my iPhone


On 1 Jan 2017, at 10:14 am, Tim Law  wrote:

Fair question Michael,

The advantage of iCloud syncing as I see it, is that you can have one ‘master’ 
computer where you download and store the originals photos, AS WELL AS storing 
the full sized versions on the cloud. This enables Time Machine and Super Duper 
to back up the photos if iCloud flies away into dark matter.  I’ve lost many 
photos before due to hard disk failure and don’t want to go through that again.

The other advantage is that it only downloads smaller images to all the other 
devices, sized to suit that device. The entire photo library is on each of 
these devices, all 15000, not like using Photo Stream which only put 1000 
photos on the mobile devices.   I am not likely to NEED to view all those on 
the other devices, but inevitably when I wanted to show someone a photo from a 
year before for example, when using Photo Stream, and iTunes sync, it was not 
in either folder.

I did try to do what you suggest, but the MacBook Pro did not have enough 
storage capacity for the full Photos Library, and there was really no need to 
have more than one computer with full sized images. If you need to edit or 
print the full sized images, they are downloaded from iCloud as needed to the 
specific device.

I trust this explains my logic.

I have stopped taking photos in RAW which complicates matters somewhat when 
sharing via iCloud. What I have found is that a photo that has both JPEG and 
RAW version is impossible to select between in iOS devices. So if I want to 
attach a photo to an email, it must be in JPEG not RAW, and several times I 
have done it, only the RAW version - at some 20mb - is able to be attached. I’m 
now taking full sized JPEG instead and these run to around 8mb per image, and 
the size is managed by Mail when sending. I am not sure if there is a way 
around the way iCloud manages RAW image syncing to iOS devices - happy to hear 
suggestions.

Regards

Tim



On 31 Dec 2016, at 8:45 PM, Michael Hawkins  
wrote:

Pardon me for asking this, but wouldn't have been faster and simpler to 
physically connect one computer to the other?

Michael

Sent from my iPhone



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Hi Brian,
On your iPhone check your 'Languages'
1. Go to Setting > General > Language & Region
2. iPhone Language English
3. Tap Other Languages 
4. Do you have another language Selected?
5. If so Tap Done, then tap 'Keep English'

Kind Regards,
Ronni

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> On 1 Jan 2017, at 10:49 am, Brian RISBEY  wrote:
> 
> Your message appears on my iPhone as Asian characters樂
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> 
> Brian Risbey 
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> 
> 
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[Michael Hawkins]

Thanks Tim. What underpinned my email was my frustration with what I see as 
Apple's  less than open tactic of making uploading to iCloud the default 
setting when iOS updates are released. I don't know what the privacy laws are 
in whichever Country the server is housed, and the debacle with the Australian 
census last year illustrates that no system is safe from database corruption.

If someone has more than one Apple device and wants to share content between 
the devices or make it possible for one device to access another, it should be 
that person's decision to set the system up so that that can be done.

We don't all live in a location with ready Internet access, or quick upload and 
download speeds. Nor do we all live in a place where access to the Internet is 
cheap.

In other words the decision to transmit data over the internet should be a 
conscious deliberate decision made by the person who owns the data, and causing 
the data to be uploaded by default for commercial gain is reprehensible.

Cheers,

Michael
Sent from my iPhone

> On 1 Jan 2017, at 10:14 am, Tim Law  wrote:
> 
> Fair question Michael,
> 
> The advantage of iCloud syncing as I see it, is that you can have one 
> ‘master’ computer where you download and store the originals photos, AS WELL 
> AS storing the full sized versions on the cloud. This enables Time Machine 
> and Super Duper to back up the photos if iCloud flies away into dark matter.  
> I’ve lost many photos before due to hard disk failure and don’t want to go 
> through that again. 
> 
> The other advantage is that it only downloads smaller images to all the other 
> devices, sized to suit that device. The entire photo library is on each of 
> these devices, all 15000, not like using Photo Stream which only put 1000 
> photos on the mobile devices.   I am not likely to NEED to view all those on 
> the other devices, but inevitably when I wanted to show someone a photo from 
> a year before for example, when using Photo Stream, and iTunes sync, it was 
> not in either folder. 
> 
> I did try to do what you suggest, but the MacBook Pro did not have enough 
> storage capacity for the full Photos Library, and there was really no need to 
> have more than one computer with full sized images. If you need to edit or 
> print the full sized images, they are downloaded from iCloud as needed to the 
> specific device. 
> 
> I trust this explains my logic.
> 
> I have stopped taking photos in RAW which complicates matters somewhat when 
> sharing via iCloud. What I have found is that a photo that has both JPEG and 
> RAW version is impossible to select between in iOS devices. So if I want to 
> attach a photo to an email, it must be in JPEG not RAW, and several times I 
> have done it, only the RAW version - at some 20mb - is able to be attached. 
> I’m now taking full sized JPEG instead and these run to around 8mb per image, 
> and the size is managed by Mail when sending. I am not sure if there is a way 
> around the way iCloud manages RAW image syncing to iOS devices - happy to 
> hear suggestions. 
> 
> Regards
> 
> Tim
> 
> 
>> On 31 Dec 2016, at 8:45 PM, Michael Hawkins 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Pardon me for asking this, but wouldn't have been faster and simpler to 
>> physically connect one computer to the other?
>> 
>> Michael
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On 31 Dec 2016, at 1:07 pm, Tim Law  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Update.  For the benefit of anyone else having similar problems with iCloud 
>>> syncing ‘stuck’.
>>> 
>>> I now have a reasonable degree of confidence that Photos has been sorted 
>>> and will now correctly sync with iCloud over four devices. 
>>> This has not been the easy process I had expected.   I discovered that 
>>> creating a new library I could keep the original library and not risk 
>>> losing data. Only one library can be the ‘system library’ and sync with 
>>> iCloud. 
>>> 
>>> I have one computer that is ticked to download originals and that computer 
>>> is now showing ‘all up to date’ in Photos. Yay.
>>> 
>>> My mobile devices have always synced well with iCloud and update any 
>>> changes immediately.
>>> 
>>> My laptop had been refusing to sync correctly with iCloud and was stuck for 
>>> a week. After signing out of iCloud, restarting the computer in Safe Mode, 
>>> then restarting again in normal mode, rebuilding the Photo Library with no 
>>> change,  I ended up creating a new Library, then turned iCloud syncing back 
>>> on and it is currently downloading the contents of my iCloud photo gallery, 
>>> some 50Gb, so will take a while.   
>>> 
>>> I lost track of how many times I found  Photos trying to upload the entire 
>>> 15000 photos to iCloud, at least five,  and am grateful to have a 1000Gb 
>>> plan with Bigpond on cable so had the capacity for such nonsense. 
>>> 
>>> I expect my problems are now on the way to being resolved. Looking forward 
>>> to happy 

Re: Resetting iCloud - Photos sync data

[Tim Law]

Fair question Michael,

The advantage of iCloud syncing as I see it, is that you can have one ‘master’ 
computer where you download and store the originals photos, AS WELL AS storing 
the full sized versions on the cloud. This enables Time Machine and Super Duper 
to back up the photos if iCloud flies away into dark matter.  I’ve lost many 
photos before due to hard disk failure and don’t want to go through that again. 

The other advantage is that it only downloads smaller images to all the other 
devices, sized to suit that device. The entire photo library is on each of 
these devices, all 15000, not like using Photo Stream which only put 1000 
photos on the mobile devices.   I am not likely to NEED to view all those on 
the other devices, but inevitably when I wanted to show someone a photo from a 
year before for example, when using Photo Stream, and iTunes sync, it was not 
in either folder. 

I did try to do what you suggest, but the MacBook Pro did not have enough 
storage capacity for the full Photos Library, and there was really no need to 
have more than one computer with full sized images. If you need to edit or 
print the full sized images, they are downloaded from iCloud as needed to the 
specific device. 

I trust this explains my logic.

I have stopped taking photos in RAW which complicates matters somewhat when 
sharing via iCloud. What I have found is that a photo that has both JPEG and 
RAW version is impossible to select between in iOS devices. So if I want to 
attach a photo to an email, it must be in JPEG not RAW, and several times I 
have done it, only the RAW version - at some 20mb - is able to be attached. I’m 
now taking full sized JPEG instead and these run to around 8mb per image, and 
the size is managed by Mail when sending. I am not sure if there is a way 
around the way iCloud manages RAW image syncing to iOS devices - happy to hear 
suggestions. 

Regards

Tim


> On 31 Dec 2016, at 8:45 PM, Michael Hawkins 
>  wrote:
> 
> Pardon me for asking this, but wouldn't have been faster and simpler to 
> physically connect one computer to the other?
> 
> Michael
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 31 Dec 2016, at 1:07 pm, Tim Law  wrote:
>> 
>> Update.  For the benefit of anyone else having similar problems with iCloud 
>> syncing ‘stuck’.
>> 
>> I now have a reasonable degree of confidence that Photos has been sorted and 
>> will now correctly sync with iCloud over four devices. 
>> This has not been the easy process I had expected.   I discovered that 
>> creating a new library I could keep the original library and not risk losing 
>> data. Only one library can be the ‘system library’ and sync with iCloud. 
>> 
>> I have one computer that is ticked to download originals and that computer 
>> is now showing ‘all up to date’ in Photos. Yay.
>> 
>> My mobile devices have always synced well with iCloud and update any changes 
>> immediately.
>> 
>> My laptop had been refusing to sync correctly with iCloud and was stuck for 
>> a week. After signing out of iCloud, restarting the computer in Safe Mode, 
>> then restarting again in normal mode, rebuilding the Photo Library with no 
>> change,  I ended up creating a new Library, then turned iCloud syncing back 
>> on and it is currently downloading the contents of my iCloud photo gallery, 
>> some 50Gb, so will take a while.   
>> 
>> I lost track of how many times I found  Photos trying to upload the entire 
>> 15000 photos to iCloud, at least five,  and am grateful to have a 1000Gb 
>> plan with Bigpond on cable so had the capacity for such nonsense. 
>> 
>> I expect my problems are now on the way to being resolved. Looking forward 
>> to happy Photos syncing in the New Year.
>> 
>> Regards
>> 
>> Tim
>> 
>> 
>>> On 23 Dec 2016, at 7:28 PM, Tim Law  wrote:
>>> 
>>> EEEk,,,   :-(
>>> 
>>> Restarted Mac Mini.
>>> This got the upload moving again - yay. 
>>> 
>>> "uploading 100 to go"
>>> "50 to go" looking good.
>>> "uploading 1 item"
>>> 
>>> Success I’m thinking.
>>> Suddenly it is uploading 15,827 items - AGAIN!
>>> 
>>> Sigh …..
>>> 
>>> I’ve quit Photos and will see what mood it is in tomorrow. 
>>> 
>>> Cheers
>>> 
>>> Tim
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On 23 Dec 2016, at 6:35 PM, Tim Law  wrote:
 
 Good evening,
 
 I am hoping to find out how to reset the sync data to force one computer 
 to reset the sync data for loading Photos to iCloud
 
 Two weeks, or more, ago, I turned on iCloud storage for Photos on four 
 devices. 
 All are logged into the same iCloud account, although some are @me.com and 
 some are @mac.com email address names. I understand this is insignificant. 
 I have checked at https://appleid.apple.com/ and found all four devices 
 are logged into the same Apple ID
 
 Mac Mini - 10.11.6  Cannot be upgraded to Sierra
 Mac Book Pro   macOS 10.12.1
 iPhone 

Re: Resetting iCloud - Photos sync data

[Michael Hawkins]

Pardon me for asking this, but wouldn't have been faster and simpler to 
physically connect one computer to the other?

Michael

Sent from my iPhone

> On 31 Dec 2016, at 1:07 pm, Tim Law  wrote:
> 
> Update.  For the benefit of anyone else having similar problems with iCloud 
> syncing ‘stuck’.
> 
> I now have a reasonable degree of confidence that Photos has been sorted and 
> will now correctly sync with iCloud over four devices. 
> This has not been the easy process I had expected.   I discovered that 
> creating a new library I could keep the original library and not risk losing 
> data. Only one library can be the ‘system library’ and sync with iCloud. 
> 
> I have one computer that is ticked to download originals and that computer is 
> now showing ‘all up to date’ in Photos. Yay.
> 
> My mobile devices have always synced well with iCloud and update any changes 
> immediately.
> 
> My laptop had been refusing to sync correctly with iCloud and was stuck for a 
> week. After signing out of iCloud, restarting the computer in Safe Mode, then 
> restarting again in normal mode, rebuilding the Photo Library with no change, 
>  I ended up creating a new Library, then turned iCloud syncing back on and it 
> is currently downloading the contents of my iCloud photo gallery, some 50Gb, 
> so will take a while.   
> 
> I lost track of how many times I found  Photos trying to upload the entire 
> 15000 photos to iCloud, at least five,  and am grateful to have a 1000Gb plan 
> with Bigpond on cable so had the capacity for such nonsense. 
> 
> I expect my problems are now on the way to being resolved. Looking forward to 
> happy Photos syncing in the New Year.
> 
> Regards
> 
> Tim
> 
> 
>> On 23 Dec 2016, at 7:28 PM, Tim Law  wrote:
>> 
>> EEEk,,,   :-(
>> 
>> Restarted Mac Mini.
>> This got the upload moving again - yay. 
>> 
>> "uploading 100 to go"
>> "50 to go" looking good.
>> "uploading 1 item"
>> 
>> Success I’m thinking.
>> Suddenly it is uploading 15,827 items - AGAIN!
>> 
>> Sigh …..
>> 
>> I’ve quit Photos and will see what mood it is in tomorrow. 
>> 
>> Cheers
>> 
>> Tim
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 23 Dec 2016, at 6:35 PM, Tim Law  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Good evening,
>>> 
>>> I am hoping to find out how to reset the sync data to force one computer to 
>>> reset the sync data for loading Photos to iCloud
>>> 
>>> Two weeks, or more, ago, I turned on iCloud storage for Photos on four 
>>> devices. 
>>> All are logged into the same iCloud account, although some are @me.com and 
>>> some are @mac.com email address names. I understand this is insignificant. 
>>> I have checked at https://appleid.apple.com/ and found all four devices are 
>>> logged into the same Apple ID
>>> 
>>> Mac Mini - 10.11.6  Cannot be upgraded to Sierra
>>> Mac Book Pro   macOS 10.12.1
>>> iPhone 6SiOS 10.1.1
>>> iPad Air 2  iOS 10.1.1
>>> 
>>> In order to keep a current back-up, I have turned on ‘Download originals to 
>>> this Mac’ on the Mac Mini which is my ‘main’ computer. Data is backed up 
>>> using Time Machine and Super Duper.
>>> 
>>> All the mobile devices have the same number of photos and videos as each 
>>> other and as is https://www.icloud.com/#photos2  which is 15,003
>>> The Mac Mini registers it should have 14752.
>>> 
>>> The Mac Mini is Stuck at uploading an extra 1878 photos and has been for 
>>> over 24 hours. This is the second time this has happened and it has taken a 
>>> week to upload the 55Gb of data a second time. Photo’s triggered itself 
>>> into a reload of all photos after I turned off iCloud Photo Library in an 
>>> effort to get the devices correctly syncing. 
>>> 
>>> When I delete, or add, a photo to any of the mobile devices, it is shared 
>>> to the other mobile devices quickly. 
>>> Photos on the Mac Mini has kept several photos that have been deleted for 
>>> days on the other devices. 
>>> 
>>> During the week I can see the CPU working hard on iCloud or Photos, then I 
>>> see the upload loading to iCloud. It varies between activity on both, but 
>>> once ‘stuck’ on 1878 to go, there is no activity showing. 
>>> 
>>> I have tried the Pause for One Day button in Photos but nothing forces the 
>>> reset and correction as I thought it would.
>>> 
>>> I think I need to find a file that contains the sync data and remove it as 
>>> I suspect it has got corrupted somehow. 
>>> 
>>> Is there such a file and are my ideas sensible or is there another option. 
>>> 
>>> I’ve been patient for two or more weeks with Photos and iCloud - like the 
>>> forums suggest - now is the time for a hammer!!  kidding
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Ideas welcome.
>>> 
>>> What about turning off iCloud Photo Library, deleting all the photos in the 
>>> Mac Mini library….. k….. and then turning it back on again so all the 
>>> 55Gb will download. That sounds scary.
>>> 
>>> Cheers
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: Resetting iCloud - Photos sync data

[Tim Law]

Update.  For the benefit of anyone else having similar problems with iCloud 
syncing ‘stuck’.

I now have a reasonable degree of confidence that Photos has been sorted and 
will now correctly sync with iCloud over four devices. 
This has not been the easy process I had expected.   I discovered that creating 
a new library I could keep the original library and not risk losing data. Only 
one library can be the ‘system library’ and sync with iCloud. 

I have one computer that is ticked to download originals and that computer is 
now showing ‘all up to date’ in Photos. Yay.

My mobile devices have always synced well with iCloud and update any changes 
immediately.

My laptop had been refusing to sync correctly with iCloud and was stuck for a 
week. After signing out of iCloud, restarting the computer in Safe Mode, then 
restarting again in normal mode, rebuilding the Photo Library with no change,  
I ended up creating a new Library, then turned iCloud syncing back on and it is 
currently downloading the contents of my iCloud photo gallery, some 50Gb, so 
will take a while.   

I lost track of how many times I found  Photos trying to upload the entire 
15000 photos to iCloud, at least five,  and am grateful to have a 1000Gb plan 
with Bigpond on cable so had the capacity for such nonsense. 

I expect my problems are now on the way to being resolved. Looking forward to 
happy Photos syncing in the New Year.

Regards

Tim


> On 23 Dec 2016, at 7:28 PM, Tim Law  wrote:
> 
> EEEk,,,   :-(
> 
> Restarted Mac Mini.
> This got the upload moving again - yay. 
> 
> "uploading 100 to go"
> "50 to go" looking good.
> "uploading 1 item"
> 
> Success I’m thinking.
> Suddenly it is uploading 15,827 items - AGAIN!
> 
> Sigh …..
> 
> I’ve quit Photos and will see what mood it is in tomorrow. 
> 
> Cheers
> 
> Tim
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On 23 Dec 2016, at 6:35 PM, Tim Law  wrote:
>> 
>> Good evening,
>> 
>> I am hoping to find out how to reset the sync data to force one computer to 
>> reset the sync data for loading Photos to iCloud
>> 
>> Two weeks, or more, ago, I turned on iCloud storage for Photos on four 
>> devices. 
>> All are logged into the same iCloud account, although some are @me.com and 
>> some are @mac.com email address names. I understand this is insignificant. I 
>> have checked at https://appleid.apple.com/ and found all four devices are 
>> logged into the same Apple ID
>> 
>> Mac Mini - 10.11.6  Cannot be upgraded to Sierra
>> Mac Book Pro   macOS 10.12.1
>> iPhone 6SiOS 10.1.1
>> iPad Air 2  iOS 10.1.1
>> 
>> In order to keep a current back-up, I have turned on ‘Download originals to 
>> this Mac’ on the Mac Mini which is my ‘main’ computer. Data is backed up 
>> using Time Machine and Super Duper.
>> 
>> All the mobile devices have the same number of photos and videos as each 
>> other and as is https://www.icloud.com/#photos2  which is 15,003
>> The Mac Mini registers it should have 14752.
>> 
>> The Mac Mini is Stuck at uploading an extra 1878 photos and has been for 
>> over 24 hours. This is the second time this has happened and it has taken a 
>> week to upload the 55Gb of data a second time. Photo’s triggered itself into 
>> a reload of all photos after I turned off iCloud Photo Library in an effort 
>> to get the devices correctly syncing. 
>> 
>> When I delete, or add, a photo to any of the mobile devices, it is shared to 
>> the other mobile devices quickly. 
>> Photos on the Mac Mini has kept several photos that have been deleted for 
>> days on the other devices. 
>> 
>> During the week I can see the CPU working hard on iCloud or Photos, then I 
>> see the upload loading to iCloud. It varies between activity on both, but 
>> once ‘stuck’ on 1878 to go, there is no activity showing. 
>> 
>> I have tried the Pause for One Day button in Photos but nothing forces the 
>> reset and correction as I thought it would.
>> 
>> I think I need to find a file that contains the sync data and remove it as I 
>> suspect it has got corrupted somehow. 
>> 
>> Is there such a file and are my ideas sensible or is there another option. 
>> 
>> I’ve been patient for two or more weeks with Photos and iCloud - like the 
>> forums suggest - now is the time for a hammer!!  kidding
>> 
>> 
>> Ideas welcome.
>> 
>> What about turning off iCloud Photo Library, deleting all the photos in the 
>> Mac Mini library….. k….. and then turning it back on again so all the 
>> 55Gb will download. That sounds scary.
>> 
>> Cheers
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Re: Resetting iCloud - Photos sync data

[Tim Law]

EEEk,,,   :-(

Restarted Mac Mini.
This got the upload moving again - yay. 

"uploading 100 to go"
"50 to go" looking good.
"uploading 1 item"

Success I’m thinking.
Suddenly it is uploading 15,827 items - AGAIN!

Sigh …..

I’ve quit Photos and will see what mood it is in tomorrow. 

Cheers

Tim




> On 23 Dec 2016, at 6:35 PM, Tim Law  wrote:
> 
> Good evening,
> 
> I am hoping to find out how to reset the sync data to force one computer to 
> reset the sync data for loading Photos to iCloud
> 
> Two weeks, or more, ago, I turned on iCloud storage for Photos on four 
> devices. 
> All are logged into the same iCloud account, although some are @me.com and 
> some are @mac.com email address names. I understand this is insignificant. I 
> have checked at https://appleid.apple.com/ and found all four devices are 
> logged into the same Apple ID
> 
> Mac Mini - 10.11.6  Cannot be upgraded to Sierra
> Mac Book Pro   macOS 10.12.1
> iPhone 6SiOS 10.1.1
> iPad Air 2  iOS 10.1.1
> 
> In order to keep a current back-up, I have turned on ‘Download originals to 
> this Mac’ on the Mac Mini which is my ‘main’ computer. Data is backed up 
> using Time Machine and Super Duper.
> 
> All the mobile devices have the same number of photos and videos as each 
> other and as is https://www.icloud.com/#photos2  which is 15,003
> The Mac Mini registers it should have 14752.
> 
> The Mac Mini is Stuck at uploading an extra 1878 photos and has been for over 
> 24 hours. This is the second time this has happened and it has taken a week 
> to upload the 55Gb of data a second time. Photo’s triggered itself into a 
> reload of all photos after I turned off iCloud Photo Library in an effort to 
> get the devices correctly syncing. 
> 
> When I delete, or add, a photo to any of the mobile devices, it is shared to 
> the other mobile devices quickly. 
> Photos on the Mac Mini has kept several photos that have been deleted for 
> days on the other devices. 
> 
> During the week I can see the CPU working hard on iCloud or Photos, then I 
> see the upload loading to iCloud. It varies between activity on both, but 
> once ‘stuck’ on 1878 to go, there is no activity showing. 
> 
> I have tried the Pause for One Day button in Photos but nothing forces the 
> reset and correction as I thought it would.
> 
> I think I need to find a file that contains the sync data and remove it as I 
> suspect it has got corrupted somehow. 
> 
> Is there such a file and are my ideas sensible or is there another option. 
> 
> I’ve been patient for two or more weeks with Photos and iCloud - like the 
> forums suggest - now is the time for a hammer!!  kidding
> 
> 
> Ideas welcome.
> 
> What about turning off iCloud Photo Library, deleting all the photos in the 
> Mac Mini library….. k….. and then turning it back on again so all the 
> 55Gb will download. That sounds scary.
> 
> Cheers
> 
> 
> 
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Resetting iCloud - Photos sync data

[Tim Law]

Good evening,

I am hoping to find out how to reset the sync data to force one computer to 
reset the sync data for loading Photos to iCloud

Two weeks, or more, ago, I turned on iCloud storage for Photos on four devices. 
All are logged into the same iCloud account, although some are @me.com and some 
are @mac.com email address names. I understand this is insignificant. I have 
checked at https://appleid.apple.com/ and found all four devices are logged 
into the same Apple ID

Mac Mini - 10.11.6  Cannot be upgraded to Sierra
Mac Book Pro   macOS 10.12.1
iPhone 6SiOS 10.1.1
iPad Air 2  iOS 10.1.1

In order to keep a current back-up, I have turned on ‘Download originals to 
this Mac’ on the Mac Mini which is my ‘main’ computer. Data is backed up using 
Time Machine and Super Duper.

All the mobile devices have the same number of photos and videos as each other 
and as is https://www.icloud.com/#photos2  which is 15,003
The Mac Mini registers it should have 14752.

The Mac Mini is Stuck at uploading an extra 1878 photos and has been for over 
24 hours. This is the second time this has happened and it has taken a week to 
upload the 55Gb of data a second time. Photo’s triggered itself into a reload 
of all photos after I turned off iCloud Photo Library in an effort to get the 
devices correctly syncing. 

When I delete, or add, a photo to any of the mobile devices, it is shared to 
the other mobile devices quickly. 
Photos on the Mac Mini has kept several photos that have been deleted for days 
on the other devices. 

During the week I can see the CPU working hard on iCloud or Photos, then I see 
the upload loading to iCloud. It varies between activity on both, but once 
‘stuck’ on 1878 to go, there is no activity showing. 

I have tried the Pause for One Day button in Photos but nothing forces the 
reset and correction as I thought it would.

I think I need to find a file that contains the sync data and remove it as I 
suspect it has got corrupted somehow. 

Is there such a file and are my ideas sensible or is there another option. 

I’ve been patient for two or more weeks with Photos and iCloud - like the 
forums suggest - now is the time for a hammer!!  kidding


Ideas welcome.

What about turning off iCloud Photo Library, deleting all the photos in the Mac 
Mini library….. k….. and then turning it back on again so all the 55Gb will 
download. That sounds scary.

Cheers



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