Re: Terminology again

[Bob Howells]

Vladimir James wrote:

> My original query was how I should interpret the message "The connection
> was terminated because the other side is not responding". I'm only trying
> to understand possible reasons for such a message to be generated.
>
> Thanks to Paul and Bob for replying to my query.
>
> In answer to their questions:
> Yes, I've had advice from the ISP -- stacks of it ("iinet never
> disconnects...").
> Yes, I've been using a manual connection recently (without noticeable
> improvement).
> Yes, I carefully noted Bill Parker's 15/5/03 comments (I'm inclined to
> agree with his conclusions).
>
> The most helpful comment is Bob's "...the problem can be a long way from
> there, either your end or the other end. did you send what the other side
> needed in order to respond. ?" This suggests that my setup may be
> partly or wholly responsible.

Except that, if you can connect sometimes it is highly unlikely
to be solely your problem
and judging on the number of problems users are experiencing with IINET
it is extremely unlikely to be your problem.

In the normal course of events the one thing you can control that may
make a difference is your Modem Initialisation script.

Cheers

Bob


> This touches on the main issue for me: Can
> the fault be mine? Apparently it can.

> Vlad James

> Using MacOS 10.2.6

Re: Terminology again

[Vladimir James]

My original query was how I should interpret the message "The connection
was terminated because the other side is not responding". I'm only trying
to understand possible reasons for such a message to be generated.

Thanks to Paul and Bob for replying to my query.

In answer to their questions: 
Yes, I've had advice from the ISP -- stacks of it ("iinet never
disconnects..."). 
Yes, I've been using a manual connection recently (without noticeable
improvement).
Yes, I carefully noted Bill Parker's 15/5/03 comments (I'm inclined to
agree with his conclusions). 

The most helpful comment is Bob's "...the problem can be a long way from
there, either your end or the other end. did you send what the other side
needed in order to respond. ?" This suggests that my setup may be
partly or wholly responsible. This touches on the main issue for me: Can
the fault be mine? Apparently it can.


Vlad James
Using MacOS 10.2.6 

Re: Terminology again

[Bob Howells]

Vladimir James wrote:

> I previously asked for advice on interpreting the error message "The
> connection was terminated because the other side is not responding".
> While I received some suggestions on altering my dialup procedures, no
> one tackled the main issue.

AS one who suggested you use a different dial up procedure in order to
gather additional clues. I humbly suggest
that the " main issue " is not what the message said..
the main issue is that your computer does not connect.

These messages are generated dependent on the end result,,, and the problem
can
be a long way from there, either your end or the other end.

Sure , it said that the other side is not responding, but did you send
what the other side needed in order to respond. ?

It can be very difficult to put a finger on the actual cause at times,
without gathering a lot of other clues as to where to look.

( As a sample of this view Bill Parker's message in WAMUG archives
message sent 15/5/2003 @ 7.40am and the heading was
" Re: More iinet. Was tedious now boring and tedious." )

So did you try a manual connection by opening Apple Remote Access
and connecting from there , and at what stage did your connection
attempt fail ?

Have fun

Bob


> What does the message tell you about
> connection faults (other than you're disconnected).
>
> Using MacOS 10.2.6 512MB RAM PowerMail 4.1.3
>
> Vlad James
>
> - previously sent -
> Often my dialup connection is terminated with the message "...because the
> other side is not responding".
>
> How should I interpret this? Can a fault on my set up be responsible, as
> opposed to "the other side"?
>
> I use Mozilla 1.4b most of the time, but I have similar terminations with
> iCab pre2.9(US) and Safari 1.0 b2 (which still crashes when it gets a
> whiff of the BankWest URL). Other data: iMac G4, internal modem using
> Zoom V-Series script.
>
> Suggestions?
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Re: Terminology again

[Paul]

On Thursday, May 29, 2003, at 08:15 AM, Vladimir James wrote:


I previously asked for advice on interpreting the error message "The
connection was terminated because the other side is not responding".
While I received some suggestions on altering my dialup procedures, no
one tackled the main issue. What does the message tell you about
connection faults (other than you're disconnected).

Using MacOS 10.2.6 512MB RAM PowerMail 4.1.3

Vlad James



Looks a little bit like a settings problem (although Im sure you have 
checked them out thoroughly).


First, IF the general "properties" of your connection match what the 
ISP's device "wants to see" then
a basic connection will be made (i.e. you are another modem speaking a 
known language).

Next your login details will be used to verify your account.

So if the calls are indeed answered by the ISP but the error doesn't 
indicate an account problem, it may
be a difference between how you are configured (most likely you are 
configured as you have been told)

and how you need to be configured.
In other words a dialogue may not yet be possible betwen the two 
devices.


Have you received any advice from the ISP on fixing the issue?

Are you specifying the DNS servers (Name Servers) of the ISP in your 
Network Settings > TCP/IP?


Two separate ISPs had the same responses to me as to why I was getting 
slow,

missed and dropped connections through them.
As the symptoms from both accounts seemed the same, I believe them.
However I tried a third ISP and viola! the previous two were made to be 
liars or worse: duds.


A word from the wary.
Paul

Terminology again

[Vladimir James]

I previously asked for advice on interpreting the error message "The
connection was terminated because the other side is not responding".
While I received some suggestions on altering my dialup procedures, no
one tackled the main issue. What does the message tell you about
connection faults (other than you're disconnected).

Using MacOS 10.2.6 512MB RAM PowerMail 4.1.3

Vlad James

- previously sent -
Often my dialup connection is terminated with the message "...because the
other side is not responding". 

How should I interpret this? Can a fault on my set up be responsible, as
opposed to "the other side"?

I use Mozilla 1.4b most of the time, but I have similar terminations with
iCab pre2.9(US) and Safari 1.0 b2 (which still crashes when it gets a
whiff of the BankWest URL). Other data: iMac G4, internal modem using
Zoom V-Series script.

Suggestions?
-