Re: Disk puzzle

[Severin Crisp]

Thanks Ronni.   Some food for thought there.   Normally, after setting up a 
connection between the two it is done from the MacAir and on completion of 
whatever was being done I disconnect at the MacAir end.   Later in the evening  
perform some tasks on the iMac and then shut it down and I go to bed.   I do 
nothing specific to the earlier connection with the MacAir.   I will work 
through your suggestions later today or tomorrow.   Many thanks as always for 
this informed stream of knowledge!   
Severin


 Assoc Prof R Severin Crisp, FAIP, FIP, CPhys
15 Thomas St, Mount Clarence, Albany, 6330, Western Australia
  ph (08) 9842 1950 ( Int'l +61 8 9842 1950)
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> On 13 Jun 2017, at 14:03, Ronni Brown  wrote:
> 
>> 
>> On 13 Jun 2017, at 11:33 am, Severin Crisp > > wrote:
>> 
>> I regularly “talk” between my MacBook air downstairs and my iMac upstairs 
>> both running the latest Sierra.  
>> When I connect from the MacAir to the iMac, via Go to Server etc a list of 
>> the iMac bits comes up correctly including connected external firewire HDs.  
>> Among these is a 1.5T drive which runs a daily clone of my complete 1.5T 
>> fusion drive, not surprisingly it is called “iMac Clone A”.  
> 
>> Recently an extra disk has appeared on the Mac Air listing titled “iMac 
>> Clone A 1”.   It does not appear in Disk Utility on the iMac nor does it go 
>> away with shutdowns and restarts of both Macs.   I suspect there is a 
>> preference or the like that should be deleted - I assume it may need to be 
>> done on the iMac as well, not just the MacAir.  
>> Thanks
>> Severin Crisp 
> 
> Hi Severin,
> 
> Do you always eject the iMac correctly after each ‘Connect to Server’ session?
> 
> An explanation why this can happen:
> 
> When you mount a local hard drive in OS X it will appear in the Computer Name 
> section of the Finder, but may also be found on the Desktop or in the Finder 
> sidebar (unless you have disabled those options). Sometimes, however, when 
> you attach a local hard drive, you will see that the name of the drive has a 
> "-1" or another number appended to it. 
> For instance, if you have a USB flash drive labeled "USB Drive," it may 
> appear as "USB Drive- 1" on your system.
> 
> In OS X, drives are accessed through the Finder's various locations, but on 
> the filesystem they are given a mount point. 
> The drive is first recognized and assigned a unique device ID (such as 
> "disk1"--you can see these and other hardware device files by opening the 
> Terminal and entering the command "ls /dev") and then is handled by the disk 
> arbitration daemon, which identifies it and an available filesystem on it, 
> and proceeds with mounting it if the system can recognize it.
> 
> The mount point for local drives is in the /Volumes folder, which is a hidden 
> directory on the main boot drive. In this directory a folder is created and 
> given the drive's name, and is used as the access point for all files on that 
> local filesystem. 
> 
> If by chance you mount two drives of the same name, because the system can't 
> create two mount points with the same
> name it appends sequential numbers to new mount points as they are created, 
> and therefore you will see the numbered drive names in the Finder.
> 
> While the numbered names for disks should only happen if there are multiple 
> drives attached with the same name, it can happen for other reasons as well.
> 
> Improper unmount
> 
> When you eject a drive, the system should remove the mount point for the 
> drive; however, sometimes this doesn't happen. Crashes or other improper 
> ejecting of drives can sometimes cause the system to leave the drive's mount 
> point in the hidden /Volumes directory, and then when you attach the drive 
> again the system recognizes an existing mount point of the same name and will 
> append a number to the new mount point.
> 
> To clear this problem, unmount all drives and go to the hidden /Volumes 
> directory by entering the text "/Volumes" in the Finder's Go to Folder option 
> (available in the Go menu). This should open the mount points directory, and 
> if you see any folders, aliases, or other files in the directory that have 
> the same name as your external drive, then remove them.
> 
> Use of multiple drives of the same name without rebooting
> 
> If you have multiple hard drives of the same name then the system will append 
> a number to the end of each if they are mounted at the same time. If you then 
> unmount the main drive, all other drives will keep their new numbered names, 
> and will continue to do so regardless of whether they are ejected and 
> remounted, until the system is rebooted. This is because the system 
> associates the mount point name w

Re: Disk puzzle

[Ronni Brown]

> On 13 Jun 2017, at 11:33 am, Severin Crisp  wrote:
> 
> I regularly “talk” between my MacBook air downstairs and my iMac upstairs 
> both running the latest Sierra.  
> When I connect from the MacAir to the iMac, via Go to Server etc a list of 
> the iMac bits comes up correctly including connected external firewire HDs.  
> Among these is a 1.5T drive which runs a daily clone of my complete 1.5T 
> fusion drive, not surprisingly it is called “iMac Clone A”.  

> Recently an extra disk has appeared on the Mac Air listing titled “iMac Clone 
> A 1”.   It does not appear in Disk Utility on the iMac nor does it go away 
> with shutdowns and restarts of both Macs.   I suspect there is a preference 
> or the like that should be deleted - I assume it may need to be done on the 
> iMac as well, not just the MacAir.  
> Thanks
> Severin Crisp 

Hi Severin,

Do you always eject the iMac correctly after each ‘Connect to Server’ session?

An explanation why this can happen:

When you mount a local hard drive in OS X it will appear in the Computer Name 
section of the Finder, but may also be found on the Desktop or in the Finder 
sidebar (unless you have disabled those options). Sometimes, however, when you 
attach a local hard drive, you will see that the name of the drive has a "-1" 
or another number appended to it. 
For instance, if you have a USB flash drive labeled "USB Drive," it may appear 
as "USB Drive- 1" on your system.

In OS X, drives are accessed through the Finder's various locations, but on the 
filesystem they are given a mount point. 
The drive is first recognized and assigned a unique device ID (such as 
"disk1"--you can see these and other hardware device files by opening the 
Terminal and entering the command "ls /dev") and then is handled by the disk 
arbitration daemon, which identifies it and an available filesystem on it, and 
proceeds with mounting it if the system can recognize it.

The mount point for local drives is in the /Volumes folder, which is a hidden 
directory on the main boot drive. In this directory a folder is created and 
given the drive's name, and is used as the access point for all files on that 
local filesystem. 

If by chance you mount two drives of the same name, because the system can't 
create two mount points with the same
name it appends sequential numbers to new mount points as they are created, and 
therefore you will see the numbered drive names in the Finder.

While the numbered names for disks should only happen if there are multiple 
drives attached with the same name, it can happen for other reasons as well.

Improper unmount

When you eject a drive, the system should remove the mount point for the drive; 
however, sometimes this doesn't happen. Crashes or other improper ejecting of 
drives can sometimes cause the system to leave the drive's mount point in the 
hidden /Volumes directory, and then when you attach the drive again the system 
recognizes an existing mount point of the same name and will append a number to 
the new mount point.

To clear this problem, unmount all drives and go to the hidden /Volumes 
directory by entering the text "/Volumes" in the Finder's Go to Folder option 
(available in the Go menu). This should open the mount points directory, and if 
you see any folders, aliases, or other files in the directory that have the 
same name as your external drive, then remove them.

Use of multiple drives of the same name without rebooting

If you have multiple hard drives of the same name then the system will append a 
number to the end of each if they are mounted at the same time. If you then 
unmount the main drive, all other drives will keep their new numbered names, 
and will continue to do so regardless of whether they are ejected and 
remounted, until the system is rebooted. This is because the system associates 
the mount point name with the drive device (for example, "disk1"), which is 
then kept associated with a particular device for the remainder of the boot 
session.

To fix this problem, just reboot the computer and the drive's name should 
revert back to having no number.

Cheers,
Ronni

13-inch MacBook Air (April 2014)
1.7GHz Dual-Core Intel Core i7, Turbo Boost to 3.3GHz
8GB 1600MHz LPDDR3 SDRAM
512GB PCIe-based Flash Storage

macOS Sierra 10.12.5


> 
> 
>  Assoc Prof R Severin Crisp, FAIP, FIP, CPhys
> 15 Thomas St, Mount Clarence, Albany, 6330, Western Australia
>   ph (08) 9842 1950 ( Int'l +61 8 9842 1950)
>mail to: sevcr...@westnet.com.au 
> 
> 
> 




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Disk puzzle

[Severin Crisp]

I regularly “talk” between my MacBook air downstairs and my iMac upstairs both 
running the latest Sierra.  
When I connect from the MacAir to the iMac, via Go to Server etc a list of the 
iMac bits comes up correctly including connected external firewire HDs.  Among 
these is a 1.5T drive which runs a daily clone of my complete 1.5T fusion 
drive, not surprisingly it is called “iMac Clone A”.  
Recently an extra disk has appeared on the Mac Air listing titled “iMac Clone A 
1”.   It does not appear in Disk Utility on the iMac nor does it go away with 
shutdowns and restarts of both Macs.   I suspect there is a preference or the 
like that should be deleted - I assume it may need to be done on the iMac as 
well, not just the MacAir.  
Thanks
Severin Crisp 


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15 Thomas St, Mount Clarence, Albany, 6330, Western Australia
  ph (08) 9842 1950 ( Int'l +61 8 9842 1950)
   mail to: sevcr...@westnet.com.au 






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Re: A MS Word puzzle

[Severin Crisp]

Interesting thinking Daniel but sadly it does not work.   The Word document is 
a Table and contains entries with some typed in and some calculated.   All the 
typed in entries are fine always.   Of the others just a few, seemingly random, 
are incorrect, coming up as thousands rather than hundreds.  When I change the 
font as suggested a different small group are incorrect.  
Maybe that is a clue?  
Good Christmas to all
Severin Crisp

On 23 Dec 2013, at 5:07 pm, Daniel Kerr  wrote:

> Hi Severin
> 
> Just as something different,…have you tried selecting the whole spreadsheet 
> and selecting a different font.
> Then see how it goes as a pdf and/or printing.
> 
> 
> Kind regards
> Daniel
> 
> Sent from my iPhone 5
> 
> ---
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> MacWizardry
> 
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> 
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> 
> On 23/12/2013, at 2:48 PM, Severin Crisp  wrote:
> 
>> Hi Ronni
>>  from any view the numbers look fine on screen.   It is only when 
>> actually printed or saved to PDF that corruption of just a few occurs.  To 
>> be shelved till after Christmas.  
>> Have a good one yourself, Ronni!  
>> Severin
>> 
>> On 23 Dec 2013, at 10:47 am, Ronda Brown  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Severin,
>>> 
>>> Are you printing from Layout  view?
>>> "This view shows you exactly what you'll see in the printed document, along 
>>> with nonprinting formatting marks. It uses more system memory than normal 
>>> view, but lets you see the entire layout of your pages. Use print layout 
>>> view when working on page layouts or with tables or graphics."
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> Ronni
>>> Sent from Ronni's iPad
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 20 Dec 2013, at 3:41 pm, Severin Crisp  wrote:
>>> 
 Thanks for the comments, Peter.  
 Let me emphasise the problem again.
  1. The document basically a table (Word .doc from 93 PC version) opens 
 and displays correctly in my MS Office 2011, Word 14.3.9
  2.  When I print, on any of three printers, a few values, which are 
 calculated within Word are incorrect, some are unaffected.  Non calculated 
 values are fine.  
  3. When I save as PDF from the print dialog corruption occurs as in 
 printing
  4. If I open the document in Acrobat 11, the same corruption occurs
  5. Text Edit can not open the document sensibly
  6.  Preview opens and prints correctly, though the setting out is 
 disturbed
  7. If I save from Word as .rtf, then open and print from Text Edit, the 
 numbers are fine but once again the setting out is disturbed.  
 
 All in all, most annoying!
 
 Severin Crisp
 
 On 20 Dec 2013, at 7:40 am, Peter Hinchliffe  
 wrote:
 
> 
> On 19 Dec 2013, at 3:47 pm, Severin Crisp  wrote:
> 
>> I regularly receive a report in Word.doc format from someone with a PC 
>> and Word 2003.  The document is in fact a table and has some 
>> calculations embedded in it.  It displays correctly on screen but some, 
>> not all, of the calculated cells have incorrect values in them when 
>> printed.  The same thing happens when I save as PDF so I suspect a 
>> postscript mismatch is the culprit.  Though it looks awful it saves as 
>> .rtf correctly.  I have latest MS Office and it gets it wrong if I save 
>> as a .docx.  
>> Most annoying, comments please!  
> 
> A few ideas:
> 
> 1. What happens if you open the file in something else that will read 
> .doc files, eg, TextEdit or Open Office or any of its clones (NeoOffice, 
> etc - assuming have any of the latter)? 
> 
> 2. Do you know the syntax of the calculations? Could you re-enter them 
> into your onscreen document? A bit of a nuisance but it might work. 
> 
> 3. I'm also wondering if there isn't some reliance on a macro set up 
> which isn't available to you
> 
> Sorry I can't of more help. It does seem likely that there may be some 
> internal structural problems with the file.
> 
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> FileMaker Pro Solutions Developer
> Perth, Western Australia
> Phone (618) 9332 6482Mob 0403 046 948
> 
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Re: A MS Word puzzle

[Daniel Kerr]

Thanks Rob, I was trying to "Think Different" :o)
Hopefully it will work,…will be interested to hear. Sometimes fonts can also 
corrupt I've found as well, so adjusting or changing to something different can 
"override" this corruption. ;)

Merry Christmas to everyone

Kind regards
Daniel

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On 23/12/2013, at 9:21 PM, Rob Phillips  wrote:

> Well done Daniel. This is a good suggestion to a problem that was puzzling 
> me. I couldn't think of a sensible answer, but if Sev's system uses (or 
> replaces) a document font which doesn't have a printable version, then this 
> could be the solution.
> 
> If Daniel's idea is correct, I would suspect that the section of the table 
> which prints properly will use a different font than that which doesn't.
> 
> Season's greetings
> 
> Rob
> 
> On 23/12/13 5:07 PM, Daniel Kerr wrote:
>> Hi Severin
>> 
>> Just as something different,…have you tried selecting the whole spreadsheet 
>> and selecting a different font.
>> Then see how it goes as a pdf and/or printing.
>> 
>> 
>> Kind regards
>> Daniel
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone 5
>> 
>> ---
>> Daniel Kerr
>> MacWizardry
>> 
>> Phone: 0414 795 960
>> Email: 
>> Web:   
>> 
>> 
>> **For everything Apple**
>> 
>> NOTE: Any information provided in this email may be my personal opinion and 
>> as such should be taken accordingly, and may not be the views of 
>> MacWizardry. Any information provided does not offer or warrant any form of 
>> warranty or accept liability. It would be appreciated that if any 
>> information in this email is to be disseminated, distributed or copied, that 
>> permission by the author be requested. 
>> 
>> On 23/12/2013, at 2:48 PM, Severin Crisp  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Ronni
>>> 
>>> from any view the numbers look fine on screen.   It is only 
>>> when actually printed or saved to PDF that corruption of just a few occurs. 
>>>  To be shelved till after Christmas.  
>>> Have a good one yourself, Ronni!  
>>> Severin
>>> 
>>> On 23 Dec 2013, at 10:47 am, Ronda Brown  wrote:
>>> 
 Hi Severin,
 
 Are you printing from Layout  view?
 "This view shows you exactly what you'll see in the printed document, 
 along with nonprinting formatting marks. It uses more system memory than 
 normal view, but lets you see the entire layout of your pages. Use print 
 layout view when working on page layouts or with tables or graphics."
 
 Cheers,
 Ronni
 Sent from Ronni's iPad
 
 
 On 20 Dec 2013, at 3:41 pm, Severin Crisp  wrote:
 
> Thanks for the comments, Peter.  
> Let me emphasise the problem again.
>  1. The document basically a table (Word .doc from 93 PC version) opens 
> and displays correctly in my MS Office 2011, Word 14.3.9
>  2.  When I print, on any of three printers, a few values, which are 
> calculated within Word are incorrect, some are unaffected.  Non 
> calculated values are fine.  
>  3. When I save as PDF from the print dialog corruption occurs as in 
> printing
>  4. If I open the document in Acrobat 11, the same corruption occurs
>  5. Text Edit can not open the document sensibly
>  6.  Preview opens and prints correctly, though the setting out is 
> disturbed
>  7. If I save from Word as .rtf, then open and print from Text Edit, the 
> numbers are fine but once again the setting out is disturbed.  
> 
> All in all, most annoying!
> 
> Severin Crisp
> 
> On 20 Dec 2013, at 7:40 am, Peter Hinchliffe  
> wrote:
> 
>> 
>> On 19 Dec 2013, at 3:47 pm, Severin Crisp  
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> I regularly receive a report in Word.doc format from someone with a PC 
>>> and Word 2003.  The document is in fact a table and has some 
>>> calculations embedded in it.  It displays correctly on screen but some, 
>>> not all, of the calculated cells have incorrect values in them when 
>>> printed.  The same thing happens when I save as PDF so I suspect a 
>>> postscript mismatch is the culprit.  Though it looks awful it saves as 
>>> .rtf correctly.  I have latest MS Office and it gets it wrong if I save 
>>> as a .docx.  
>>> Most annoying, comments please!  
>> 
>> A few ideas:
>> 
>> 1. What happens if you open the file in something else that will read 
>> .doc files, eg, TextEdit or Open Office or any of its clon

Re: A MS Word puzzle

[Rob Phillips]

Well done Daniel. This is a good suggestion to a problem that was 
puzzling me. I couldn't think of a sensible answer, but if Sev's system 
uses (or replaces) a document font which doesn't have a printable 
version, then this could be the solution.


If Daniel's idea is correct, I would suspect that the section of the 
table which prints properly will use a different font than that which 
doesn't.


Season's greetings

Rob

On 23/12/13 5:07 PM, Daniel Kerr wrote:

Hi Severin

Just as something different,...have you tried selecting the whole 
spreadsheet and selecting a different font.

Then see how it goes as a pdf and/or printing.


Kind regards
Daniel

Sent from my iPhone 5

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Phone: 0414 795 960
Email: http://macwizardry.com.au>>
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On 23/12/2013, at 2:48 PM, Severin Crisp > wrote:



Hi Ronni
from any view the numbers look fine on screen. It is only when 
actually printed or saved to PDF that corruption of just a few 
occurs.  To be shelved till after Christmas.

Have a good one yourself, Ronni!
Severin

On 23 Dec 2013, at 10:47 am, Ronda Brown > wrote:



Hi Severin,

Are you printing from Layout view?
"This view shows you exactly what you'll see in the printed 
document, along with nonprinting formatting marks. It uses more 
system memory than normal view, but lets you see the entire layout 
of your pages. Use print layout view when working on page layouts or 
with tables or graphics."


Cheers,
Ronni
Sent from Ronni's iPad


On 20 Dec 2013, at 3:41 pm, Severin Crisp > wrote:



Thanks for the comments, Peter.
Let me emphasise the problem again.
 1. The document basically a table (Word .doc from 93 PC version) 
opens and displays correctly in my MS Office 2011, Word 14.3.9
 2.  When I print, on any of three printers, a few values, which 
are calculated within Word are incorrect, some are unaffected.  Non 
calculated values are fine.
 3. When I save as PDF from the print dialog corruption occurs as 
in printing

 4. If I open the document in Acrobat 11, the same corruption occurs
 5. Text Edit can not open the document sensibly
 6.  Preview opens and prints correctly, though the setting out is 
disturbed
 7. If I save from Word as .rtf, then open and print from Text 
Edit, the numbers are fine but once again the setting out is 
disturbed.


All in all, most annoying!

Severin Crisp

On 20 Dec 2013, at 7:40 am, Peter Hinchliffe 
mailto:hinch...@multiline.com.au>> wrote:




On 19 Dec 2013, at 3:47 pm, Severin Crisp > wrote:


I regularly receive a report in Word.doc format from someone with 
a PC and Word 2003.  The document is in fact a table and has some 
calculations embedded in it.  It displays correctly on screen but 
some, not all, of the calculated cells have incorrect values in 
them when printed.  The same thing happens when I save as PDF so 
I suspect a postscript mismatch is the culprit.  Though it looks 
awful it saves as .rtf correctly.  I have latest MS Office and it 
gets it wrong if I save as a .docx.

Most annoying, comments please!


A few ideas:

1. What happens if you open the file in something else that will 
read .doc files, eg, TextEdit or Open Office or any of its clones 
(NeoOffice, etc - assuming have any of the latter)?


2. Do you know the syntax of the calculations? Could you re-enter 
them into your onscreen document? A bit of a nuisance but it might 
work.


3. I'm also wondering if there isn't some reliance on a macro set 
up which isn't available to you


Sorry I can't of more help. It does seem likely that there may be 
some internal structural problems with the file.


Peter HinchliffeApwin Computer Services
FileMaker Pro Solutions Developer
Perth, Western Australia
Phone (618) 9332 6482Mob 0403 046 948

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  ph (08) 9842 1950 ( Int'l +61 8 9842 1950)
 mail to:sevcr...@westnet.com.au 

Re: A MS Word puzzle

[Daniel Kerr]

Hi Severin

Just as something different,…have you tried selecting the whole spreadsheet and 
selecting a different font.
Then see how it goes as a pdf and/or printing.


Kind regards
Daniel

Sent from my iPhone 5

---
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MacWizardry

Phone: 0414 795 960
Email: 
Web:   


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On 23/12/2013, at 2:48 PM, Severin Crisp  wrote:

> Hi Ronni
>   from any view the numbers look fine on screen.   It is only when 
> actually printed or saved to PDF that corruption of just a few occurs.  To be 
> shelved till after Christmas.  
> Have a good one yourself, Ronni!  
> Severin
> 
> On 23 Dec 2013, at 10:47 am, Ronda Brown  wrote:
> 
>> Hi Severin,
>> 
>> Are you printing from Layout  view?
>> "This view shows you exactly what you'll see in the printed document, along 
>> with nonprinting formatting marks. It uses more system memory than normal 
>> view, but lets you see the entire layout of your pages. Use print layout 
>> view when working on page layouts or with tables or graphics."
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> Ronni
>> Sent from Ronni's iPad
>> 
>> 
>> On 20 Dec 2013, at 3:41 pm, Severin Crisp  wrote:
>> 
>>> Thanks for the comments, Peter.  
>>> Let me emphasise the problem again.
>>>  1. The document basically a table (Word .doc from 93 PC version) opens and 
>>> displays correctly in my MS Office 2011, Word 14.3.9
>>>  2.  When I print, on any of three printers, a few values, which are 
>>> calculated within Word are incorrect, some are unaffected.  Non calculated 
>>> values are fine.  
>>>  3. When I save as PDF from the print dialog corruption occurs as in 
>>> printing
>>>  4. If I open the document in Acrobat 11, the same corruption occurs
>>>  5. Text Edit can not open the document sensibly
>>>  6.  Preview opens and prints correctly, though the setting out is disturbed
>>>  7. If I save from Word as .rtf, then open and print from Text Edit, the 
>>> numbers are fine but once again the setting out is disturbed.  
>>> 
>>> All in all, most annoying!
>>> 
>>> Severin Crisp
>>> 
>>> On 20 Dec 2013, at 7:40 am, Peter Hinchliffe  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
 
 On 19 Dec 2013, at 3:47 pm, Severin Crisp  wrote:
 
> I regularly receive a report in Word.doc format from someone with a PC 
> and Word 2003.  The document is in fact a table and has some calculations 
> embedded in it.  It displays correctly on screen but some, not all, of 
> the calculated cells have incorrect values in them when printed.  The 
> same thing happens when I save as PDF so I suspect a postscript mismatch 
> is the culprit.  Though it looks awful it saves as .rtf correctly.  I 
> have latest MS Office and it gets it wrong if I save as a .docx.  
> Most annoying, comments please!  
 
 A few ideas:
 
 1. What happens if you open the file in something else that will read .doc 
 files, eg, TextEdit or Open Office or any of its clones (NeoOffice, etc - 
 assuming have any of the latter)? 
 
 2. Do you know the syntax of the calculations? Could you re-enter them 
 into your onscreen document? A bit of a nuisance but it might work. 
 
 3. I'm also wondering if there isn't some reliance on a macro set up which 
 isn't available to you
 
 Sorry I can't of more help. It does seem likely that there may be some 
 internal structural problems with the file.
 
 Peter HinchliffeApwin Computer Services
 FileMaker Pro Solutions Developer
 Perth, Western Australia
 Phone (618) 9332 6482Mob 0403 046 948
 
 Mac because I prefer it -- Windows because I have to.
 
 -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List --
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 Guidelines - 
 Settings & Unsubscribe - 
 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>  Assoc Prof R Severin Crisp, FAIP, FIP, CPhys
>>> 15 Thomas St, Mount Clarence, Albany, 6330, Western Australia
>>>   ph (08) 9842 1950 ( Int'l +61 8 9842 1950)
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Re: A MS Word puzzle

[Severin Crisp]

Hi Ronni
from any view the numbers look fine on screen.   It is only when 
actually printed or saved to PDF that corruption of just a few occurs.  To be 
shelved till after Christmas.  
Have a good one yourself, Ronni!  
Severin

On 23 Dec 2013, at 10:47 am, Ronda Brown  wrote:

> Hi Severin,
> 
> Are you printing from Layout  view?
> "This view shows you exactly what you'll see in the printed document, along 
> with nonprinting formatting marks. It uses more system memory than normal 
> view, but lets you see the entire layout of your pages. Use print layout view 
> when working on page layouts or with tables or graphics."
> 
> Cheers,
> Ronni
> Sent from Ronni's iPad
> 
> 
> On 20 Dec 2013, at 3:41 pm, Severin Crisp  wrote:
> 
>> Thanks for the comments, Peter.  
>> Let me emphasise the problem again.
>>  1. The document basically a table (Word .doc from 93 PC version) opens and 
>> displays correctly in my MS Office 2011, Word 14.3.9
>>  2.  When I print, on any of three printers, a few values, which are 
>> calculated within Word are incorrect, some are unaffected.  Non calculated 
>> values are fine.  
>>  3. When I save as PDF from the print dialog corruption occurs as in printing
>>  4. If I open the document in Acrobat 11, the same corruption occurs
>>  5. Text Edit can not open the document sensibly
>>  6.  Preview opens and prints correctly, though the setting out is disturbed
>>  7. If I save from Word as .rtf, then open and print from Text Edit, the 
>> numbers are fine but once again the setting out is disturbed.  
>> 
>> All in all, most annoying!
>> 
>> Severin Crisp
>> 
>> On 20 Dec 2013, at 7:40 am, Peter Hinchliffe  
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> 
>>> On 19 Dec 2013, at 3:47 pm, Severin Crisp  wrote:
>>> 
 I regularly receive a report in Word.doc format from someone with a PC and 
 Word 2003.  The document is in fact a table and has some calculations 
 embedded in it.  It displays correctly on screen but some, not all, of the 
 calculated cells have incorrect values in them when printed.  The same 
 thing happens when I save as PDF so I suspect a postscript mismatch is the 
 culprit.  Though it looks awful it saves as .rtf correctly.  I have latest 
 MS Office and it gets it wrong if I save as a .docx.  
 Most annoying, comments please!  
>>> 
>>> A few ideas:
>>> 
>>> 1. What happens if you open the file in something else that will read .doc 
>>> files, eg, TextEdit or Open Office or any of its clones (NeoOffice, etc - 
>>> assuming have any of the latter)? 
>>> 
>>> 2. Do you know the syntax of the calculations? Could you re-enter them into 
>>> your onscreen document? A bit of a nuisance but it might work. 
>>> 
>>> 3. I'm also wondering if there isn't some reliance on a macro set up which 
>>> isn't available to you
>>> 
>>> Sorry I can't of more help. It does seem likely that there may be some 
>>> internal structural problems with the file.
>>> 
>>> Peter HinchliffeApwin Computer Services
>>> FileMaker Pro Solutions Developer
>>> Perth, Western Australia
>>> Phone (618) 9332 6482Mob 0403 046 948
>>> 
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[Ronda Brown]

Hi Severin,

Are you printing from Layout  view?
"This view shows you exactly what you'll see in the printed document, along 
with nonprinting formatting marks. It uses more system memory than normal view, 
but lets you see the entire layout of your pages. Use print layout view when 
working on page layouts or with tables or graphics."

Cheers,
Ronni
Sent from Ronni's iPad


> On 20 Dec 2013, at 3:41 pm, Severin Crisp  wrote:
> 
> Thanks for the comments, Peter.  
> Let me emphasise the problem again.
>  1. The document basically a table (Word .doc from 93 PC version) opens and 
> displays correctly in my MS Office 2011, Word 14.3.9
>  2.  When I print, on any of three printers, a few values, which are 
> calculated within Word are incorrect, some are unaffected.  Non calculated 
> values are fine.  
>  3. When I save as PDF from the print dialog corruption occurs as in printing
>  4. If I open the document in Acrobat 11, the same corruption occurs
>  5. Text Edit can not open the document sensibly
>  6.  Preview opens and prints correctly, though the setting out is disturbed
>  7. If I save from Word as .rtf, then open and print from Text Edit, the 
> numbers are fine but once again the setting out is disturbed.  
> 
> All in all, most annoying!
> 
> Severin Crisp
> 
>> On 20 Dec 2013, at 7:40 am, Peter Hinchliffe  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>>> On 19 Dec 2013, at 3:47 pm, Severin Crisp  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I regularly receive a report in Word.doc format from someone with a PC and 
>>> Word 2003.  The document is in fact a table and has some calculations 
>>> embedded in it.  It displays correctly on screen but some, not all, of the 
>>> calculated cells have incorrect values in them when printed.  The same 
>>> thing happens when I save as PDF so I suspect a postscript mismatch is the 
>>> culprit.  Though it looks awful it saves as .rtf correctly.  I have latest 
>>> MS Office and it gets it wrong if I save as a .docx.  
>>> Most annoying, comments please!  
>> 
>> A few ideas:
>> 
>> 1. What happens if you open the file in something else that will read .doc 
>> files, eg, TextEdit or Open Office or any of its clones (NeoOffice, etc - 
>> assuming have any of the latter)? 
>> 
>> 2. Do you know the syntax of the calculations? Could you re-enter them into 
>> your onscreen document? A bit of a nuisance but it might work. 
>> 
>> 3. I'm also wondering if there isn't some reliance on a macro set up which 
>> isn't available to you
>> 
>> Sorry I can't of more help. It does seem likely that there may be some 
>> internal structural problems with the file.
>> 
>> Peter HinchliffeApwin Computer Services
>> FileMaker Pro Solutions Developer
>> Perth, Western Australia
>> Phone (618) 9332 6482Mob 0403 046 948
>> 
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[Severin Crisp]

Numbers will not open it

On 20 Dec 2013, at 5:54 pm, Merv Bond  wrote:

> Have you tried opening the document in Numbers?
> Merv
> 
> On 20/12/13 3:41 PM, Severin Crisp wrote:
>> Thanks for the comments, Peter.
>> Let me emphasise the problem again.
>>  1. The document basically a table (Word .doc from 93 PC version) opens
>> and displays correctly in my MS Office 2011, Word 14.3.9
>>  2.  When I print, on any of three printers, a few values, which are
>> calculated within Word are incorrect, some are unaffected.  Non
>> calculated values are fine.
>>  3. When I save as PDF from the print dialog corruption occurs as in
>> printing
>>  4. If I open the document in Acrobat 11, the same corruption occurs
>>  5. Text Edit can not open the document sensibly
>>  6.  Preview opens and prints correctly, though the setting out is
>> disturbed
>>  7. If I save from Word as .rtf, then open and print from Text Edit,
>> the numbers are fine but once again the setting out is disturbed.
>> 
>> All in all, most annoying!
>> 
>> Severin Crisp
>> 
>> On 20 Dec 2013, at 7:40 am, Peter Hinchliffe > > wrote:
>> 
>>> 
>>> On 19 Dec 2013, at 3:47 pm, Severin Crisp >> > wrote:
>>> 
 I regularly receive a report in Word.doc format from someone with a
 PC and Word 2003.  The document is in fact a table and has some
 calculations embedded in it.  It displays correctly on screen but
 some, not all, of the calculated cells have incorrect values in them
 when printed.  The same thing happens when I save as PDF so I suspect
 a postscript mismatch is the culprit.  Though it looks awful it saves
 as .rtf correctly.  I have latest MS Office and it gets it wrong if I
 save as a .docx.
 Most annoying, comments please!
>>> 
>>> A few ideas:
>>> 
>>> 1. What happens if you open the file in something else that will read
>>> .doc files, eg, TextEdit or Open Office or any of its clones
>>> (NeoOffice, etc - assuming have any of the latter)?
>>> 
>>> 2. Do you know the syntax of the calculations? Could you re-enter them
>>> into your onscreen document? A bit of a nuisance but it might work.
>>> 
>>> 3. I'm also wondering if there isn't some reliance on a macro set up
>>> which isn't available to you
>>> 
>>> Sorry I can't of more help. It does seem likely that there may be some
>>> internal structural problems with the file.
>>> 
>>> Peter HinchliffeApwin Computer Services
>>> FileMaker Pro Solutions Developer
>>> Perth, Western Australia
>>> Phone (618) 9332 6482Mob 0403 046 948
>>> 
>>> Mac because I prefer it -- Windows because I have to.
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Re: A MS Word puzzle

[Merv Bond]

Have you tried opening the document in Numbers?
Merv

On 20/12/13 3:41 PM, Severin Crisp wrote:
> Thanks for the comments, Peter.
> Let me emphasise the problem again.
>   1. The document basically a table (Word .doc from 93 PC version) opens
> and displays correctly in my MS Office 2011, Word 14.3.9
>   2.  When I print, on any of three printers, a few values, which are
> calculated within Word are incorrect, some are unaffected.  Non
> calculated values are fine.
>   3. When I save as PDF from the print dialog corruption occurs as in
> printing
>   4. If I open the document in Acrobat 11, the same corruption occurs
>   5. Text Edit can not open the document sensibly
>   6.  Preview opens and prints correctly, though the setting out is
> disturbed
>   7. If I save from Word as .rtf, then open and print from Text Edit,
> the numbers are fine but once again the setting out is disturbed.
>
> All in all, most annoying!
>
> Severin Crisp
>
> On 20 Dec 2013, at 7:40 am, Peter Hinchliffe  > wrote:
>
>>
>> On 19 Dec 2013, at 3:47 pm, Severin Crisp > > wrote:
>>
>>> I regularly receive a report in Word.doc format from someone with a
>>> PC and Word 2003.  The document is in fact a table and has some
>>> calculations embedded in it.  It displays correctly on screen but
>>> some, not all, of the calculated cells have incorrect values in them
>>> when printed.  The same thing happens when I save as PDF so I suspect
>>> a postscript mismatch is the culprit.  Though it looks awful it saves
>>> as .rtf correctly.  I have latest MS Office and it gets it wrong if I
>>> save as a .docx.
>>> Most annoying, comments please!
>>
>> A few ideas:
>>
>> 1. What happens if you open the file in something else that will read
>> .doc files, eg, TextEdit or Open Office or any of its clones
>> (NeoOffice, etc - assuming have any of the latter)?
>>
>> 2. Do you know the syntax of the calculations? Could you re-enter them
>> into your onscreen document? A bit of a nuisance but it might work.
>>
>> 3. I'm also wondering if there isn't some reliance on a macro set up
>> which isn't available to you
>>
>> Sorry I can't of more help. It does seem likely that there may be some
>> internal structural problems with the file.
>>
>> Peter HinchliffeApwin Computer Services
>> FileMaker Pro Solutions Developer
>> Perth, Western Australia
>> Phone (618) 9332 6482Mob 0403 046 948
>> 
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Re: A MS Word puzzle

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Thanks for the comments, Peter.  
Let me emphasise the problem again.
 1. The document basically a table (Word .doc from 93 PC version) opens and 
displays correctly in my MS Office 2011, Word 14.3.9
 2.  When I print, on any of three printers, a few values, which are calculated 
within Word are incorrect, some are unaffected.  Non calculated values are 
fine.  
 3. When I save as PDF from the print dialog corruption occurs as in printing
 4. If I open the document in Acrobat 11, the same corruption occurs
 5. Text Edit can not open the document sensibly
 6.  Preview opens and prints correctly, though the setting out is disturbed
 7. If I save from Word as .rtf, then open and print from Text Edit, the 
numbers are fine but once again the setting out is disturbed.  

All in all, most annoying!

Severin Crisp

On 20 Dec 2013, at 7:40 am, Peter Hinchliffe  wrote:

> 
> On 19 Dec 2013, at 3:47 pm, Severin Crisp  wrote:
> 
>> I regularly receive a report in Word.doc format from someone with a PC and 
>> Word 2003.  The document is in fact a table and has some calculations 
>> embedded in it.  It displays correctly on screen but some, not all, of the 
>> calculated cells have incorrect values in them when printed.  The same thing 
>> happens when I save as PDF so I suspect a postscript mismatch is the 
>> culprit.  Though it looks awful it saves as .rtf correctly.  I have latest 
>> MS Office and it gets it wrong if I save as a .docx.  
>> Most annoying, comments please!  
> 
> A few ideas:
> 
> 1. What happens if you open the file in something else that will read .doc 
> files, eg, TextEdit or Open Office or any of its clones (NeoOffice, etc - 
> assuming have any of the latter)? 
> 
> 2. Do you know the syntax of the calculations? Could you re-enter them into 
> your onscreen document? A bit of a nuisance but it might work. 
> 
> 3. I'm also wondering if there isn't some reliance on a macro set up which 
> isn't available to you
> 
> Sorry I can't of more help. It does seem likely that there may be some 
> internal structural problems with the file.
> 
> Peter HinchliffeApwin Computer Services
> FileMaker Pro Solutions Developer
> Perth, Western Australia
> Phone (618) 9332 6482Mob 0403 046 948
> 
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[Peter Hinchliffe]

On 19 Dec 2013, at 3:47 pm, Severin Crisp  wrote:

> I regularly receive a report in Word.doc format from someone with a PC and 
> Word 2003.  The document is in fact a table and has some calculations 
> embedded in it.  It displays correctly on screen but some, not all, of the 
> calculated cells have incorrect values in them when printed.  The same thing 
> happens when I save as PDF so I suspect a postscript mismatch is the culprit. 
>  Though it looks awful it saves as .rtf correctly.  I have latest MS Office 
> and it gets it wrong if I save as a .docx.  
> Most annoying, comments please!  

A few ideas:

1. What happens if you open the file in something else that will read .doc 
files, eg, TextEdit or Open Office or any of its clones (NeoOffice, etc - 
assuming have any of the latter)? 

2. Do you know the syntax of the calculations? Could you re-enter them into 
your onscreen document? A bit of a nuisance but it might work. 

3. I'm also wondering if there isn't some reliance on a macro set up which 
isn't available to you

Sorry I can't of more help. It does seem likely that there may be some internal 
structural problems with the file.

Peter HinchliffeApwin Computer Services
FileMaker Pro Solutions Developer
Perth, Western Australia
Phone (618) 9332 6482Mob 0403 046 948

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A MS Word puzzle

[Severin Crisp]

I regularly receive a report in Word.doc format from someone with a PC and Word 
2003.  The document is in fact a table and has some calculations embedded in 
it.  It displays correctly on screen but some, not all, of the calculated cells 
have incorrect values in them when printed.  The same thing happens when I save 
as PDF so I suspect a postscript mismatch is the culprit.  Though it looks 
awful it saves as .rtf correctly.  I have latest MS Office and it gets it wrong 
if I save as a .docx.  
Most annoying, comments please!  
Severin Crisp


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Re: Power board puzzle

[Severin Crisp]

Thanks, Ronni, that explains it completely as far as my particular issue goes.  
Severin

On 30/07/2011, at 10:52 AM, Ronda Brown wrote:

> Hi Severin,
> 
> iMac Intel:
> Sleeping: 48 Watts.
> Shutdown but plugged in: 16 Watts.
> Shutdown with the power strip turned off: 0 Watts.
> 
> The newer Apple Computers use 'Active Power Factor Correction' power supply, 
> not 'Passive Power Factor Correction' power supply.
> 
> I’m wondering 'if' the G5 used 'Passive PFC' and the iMac uses 'Active PFC’ 
> could that possibly cause what you are experiencing?
> 
> I don’t profess to understand power,  this is more James of  SAD Technic’s 
> field of expertise.
> 
> Cheers,
> Ronni
> 
> 
> On 29/07/2011, at 11:39 PM, Severin Crisp wrote:
> 
>> Could be but as you say it does not make much sense.
>>   Regards
>> Severin
>> 
>> On 29/07/2011, at 5:39 PM, Ronda Brown wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Severin,
>>> 
>>>  In System Preferences > Energy Saver. Do you have the iMac set to “Wake 
>>> for Network Access’.
>>> Even the iMac is shutdown but still plugged in, this could cause some power 
>>> consumption, whether its enough to cause what you are experiencing I have 
>>> no idea ;-)
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> Ronni
>>> 
>>> On 29/07/2011, at 4:34 PM, Severin Crisp wrote:
>>> 
 For some time I have been using a Jackson PT 9778 power board.   This a 
 clever energy saving device.  It is an ordinary power board in most 
 respects with surge protection but the outlets are a master and slaves.  
 My G5 plugged in to the master socket and all the peripherals into the 
 slaves.  When the G5 was running and drawing power all the slaves are on.  
 When the G5 was switched off or shutdown all the slaves went off too and 
 came back on when the G5 restarted.   
 The problem is that the G5 is now an iMac and the board does not like it.  
 When the iMac is running all is fine but when it shuts down the 
 peripherals shut down then keep trying to restart in an on and off 
 fashion.  From my reading there is a threshold of about 30mA at which shut 
 down happens and I am wondering if the iMac still draws this in a shutdown 
 state, though that seems bizarre!   I have rechecked the functionality of 
 the board in a different setup and it is fine.  
 Any comments or similar tales would be most welcome.  
 Severin Crisp
 
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Re: Power board puzzle

[Ronda Brown]

Hi Severin,

iMac Intel:
Sleeping: 48 Watts.
Shutdown but plugged in: 16 Watts.
Shutdown with the power strip turned off: 0 Watts.

The newer Apple Computers use 'Active Power Factor Correction' power supply, 
not 'Passive Power Factor Correction' power supply.

I’m wondering 'if' the G5 used 'Passive PFC' and the iMac uses 'Active PFC’ 
could that possibly cause what you are experiencing?

I don’t profess to understand power,  this is more James of  SAD Technic’s 
field of expertise.

Cheers,
Ronni


On 29/07/2011, at 11:39 PM, Severin Crisp wrote:

> Could be but as you say it does not make much sense.
>   Regards
> Severin
> 
> On 29/07/2011, at 5:39 PM, Ronda Brown wrote:
> 
>> Hi Severin,
>> 
>>  In System Preferences > Energy Saver. Do you have the iMac set to “Wake for 
>> Network Access’.
>> Even the iMac is shutdown but still plugged in, this could cause some power 
>> consumption, whether its enough to cause what you are experiencing I have no 
>> idea ;-)
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> Ronni
>> 
>> On 29/07/2011, at 4:34 PM, Severin Crisp wrote:
>> 
>>> For some time I have been using a Jackson PT 9778 power board.   This a 
>>> clever energy saving device.  It is an ordinary power board in most 
>>> respects with surge protection but the outlets are a master and slaves.  My 
>>> G5 plugged in to the master socket and all the peripherals into the slaves. 
>>>  When the G5 was running and drawing power all the slaves are on.  When the 
>>> G5 was switched off or shutdown all the slaves went off too and came back 
>>> on when the G5 restarted.   
>>> The problem is that the G5 is now an iMac and the board does not like it.  
>>> When the iMac is running all is fine but when it shuts down the peripherals 
>>> shut down then keep trying to restart in an on and off fashion.  From my 
>>> reading there is a threshold of about 30mA at which shut down happens and I 
>>> am wondering if the iMac still draws this in a shutdown state, though that 
>>> seems bizarre!   I have rechecked the functionality of the board in a 
>>> different setup and it is fine.  
>>> Any comments or similar tales would be most welcome.  
>>> Severin Crisp
>>> 
>>>Assoc Professor R Severin Crisp, FIP, CPhys, FAIP
>>>15 Thomas St, Mount Clarence, Albany, 6330, Western Australia.
>>> Phone  (08) 9842 1950   (Int'l +61 8 9842 1950)
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Could be but as you say it does not make much sense.
  Regards
Severin

On 29/07/2011, at 5:39 PM, Ronda Brown wrote:

> Hi Severin,
> 
>  In System Preferences > Energy Saver. Do you have the iMac set to “Wake for 
> Network Access’.
> Even the iMac is shutdown but still plugged in, this could cause some power 
> consumption, whether its enough to cause what you are experiencing I have no 
> idea ;-)
> 
> Cheers,
> Ronni
> 
> On 29/07/2011, at 4:34 PM, Severin Crisp wrote:
> 
>> For some time I have been using a Jackson PT 9778 power board.   This a 
>> clever energy saving device.  It is an ordinary power board in most respects 
>> with surge protection but the outlets are a master and slaves.  My G5 
>> plugged in to the master socket and all the peripherals into the slaves.  
>> When the G5 was running and drawing power all the slaves are on.  When the 
>> G5 was switched off or shutdown all the slaves went off too and came back on 
>> when the G5 restarted.   
>> The problem is that the G5 is now an iMac and the board does not like it.  
>> When the iMac is running all is fine but when it shuts down the peripherals 
>> shut down then keep trying to restart in an on and off fashion.  From my 
>> reading there is a threshold of about 30mA at which shut down happens and I 
>> am wondering if the iMac still draws this in a shutdown state, though that 
>> seems bizarre!   I have rechecked the functionality of the board in a 
>> different setup and it is fine.  
>> Any comments or similar tales would be most welcome.  
>> Severin Crisp
>> 
>>Assoc Professor R Severin Crisp, FIP, CPhys, FAIP
>>15 Thomas St, Mount Clarence, Albany, 6330, Western Australia.
>> Phone  (08) 9842 1950   (Int'l +61 8 9842 1950)
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Re: Power board puzzle

[Severin Crisp]

There is only the iMac and the figure I quoted was 30mA, not 30W
Severin

On 29/07/2011, at 5:58 PM, James / Hans Kunz wrote:

> hi Severin
> if anything connected to the master is consuming more than 35w (i would say 
> 20w) then the slaves kick in..
> try it with a light as master and put different globes in it, a computer @ 
> sleep may still consume 15 to 20 watts, which could be the reason for your 
> slave on/off effect
> James
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> On 29/07/2011, at 4:34 PM, Severin Crisp wrote:
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>> Jackson PT 9778
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Re: Power board puzzle

[James / Hans Kunz]

hi Severin
if anything connected to the master is consuming more than 35w (i would say 
20w) then the slaves kick in..
try it with a light as master and put different globes in it, a computer @ 
sleep may still consume 15 to 20 watts, which could be the reason for your 
slave on/off effect
James


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Australia
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On 29/07/2011, at 4:34 PM, Severin Crisp wrote:

> Jackson PT 9778




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Re: Power board puzzle

[Ronda Brown]

Hi Severin,

 In System Preferences > Energy Saver. Do you have the iMac set to “Wake for 
Network Access’.
Even the iMac is shutdown but still plugged in, this could cause some power 
consumption, whether its enough to cause what you are experiencing I have no 
idea ;-)

Cheers,
Ronni

On 29/07/2011, at 4:34 PM, Severin Crisp wrote:

> For some time I have been using a Jackson PT 9778 power board.   This a 
> clever energy saving device.  It is an ordinary power board in most respects 
> with surge protection but the outlets are a master and slaves.  My G5 plugged 
> in to the master socket and all the peripherals into the slaves.  When the G5 
> was running and drawing power all the slaves are on.  When the G5 was 
> switched off or shutdown all the slaves went off too and came back on when 
> the G5 restarted.   
> The problem is that the G5 is now an iMac and the board does not like it.  
> When the iMac is running all is fine but when it shuts down the peripherals 
> shut down then keep trying to restart in an on and off fashion.  From my 
> reading there is a threshold of about 30mA at which shut down happens and I 
> am wondering if the iMac still draws this in a shutdown state, though that 
> seems bizarre!   I have rechecked the functionality of the board in a 
> different setup and it is fine.  
> Any comments or similar tales would be most welcome.  
> Severin Crisp
> 
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Power board puzzle

[Severin Crisp]

For some time I have been using a Jackson PT 9778 power board.   This a clever 
energy saving device.  It is an ordinary power board in most respects with 
surge protection but the outlets are a master and slaves.  My G5 plugged in to 
the master socket and all the peripherals into the slaves.  When the G5 was 
running and drawing power all the slaves are on.  When the G5 was switched off 
or shutdown all the slaves went off too and came back on when the G5 restarted. 
  
The problem is that the G5 is now an iMac and the board does not like it.  When 
the iMac is running all is fine but when it shuts down the peripherals shut 
down then keep trying to restart in an on and off fashion.  From my reading 
there is a threshold of about 30mA at which shut down happens and I am 
wondering if the iMac still draws this in a shutdown state, though that seems 
bizarre!   I have rechecked the functionality of the board in a different setup 
and it is fine.  
Any comments or similar tales would be most welcome.  
Severin Crisp

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A Quick Time puzzle

[Severin Crisp]

I have QT (Pro) 7.6.9 with 10.5.8.
QT has started to misbehave.  On Export as QT Movie/ Options/Settings  
opens a blank window then finally hangs and has to be Force Quit.  All  
other functions and exports seem fine.  I deleted QT preferences and  
cache and repaired permissions and ran Disk Warrior all to no avail.   
I then downloaded the QT installer and did an install, having first  
deleted QT Player and its preferences with App Cleaner.  The install  
worked seamlessly, apparently, but no QT appears in my Applications  
folder.  A repeat install lead to the same result.  System Prefs still  
shows the QT pane with my Pro reg intact.  I have restored the QT  
Player from TM Backup and apparently the status quo is restored,  
though I still cannot access the Settings window.
I find this seriously mystifying and would appreciate advice and  
comments!

Severin Crisp
Anyone suggestion that I replace my trusty, beloved and very reliable  
G5 with an iMac and start from scratch might sadly be welcomed!


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Free version of home-grown iPhone puzzle game

[Peter Hinchliffe]

For those who attended the December WAMUG meeting at Future Sphere, presenter 
David Johnson has announced that he has just had the Lite version of his puzzle 
app Tri-me approved by Apple and accepted into the iTunes store.

It can be found at http://itunes.apple.com/app/tri-me-lite/id435358113?mt=8

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Re: puzzle

[James Devenish]

Hi Rosemary,

Is ther a difference in the amount of metal versus plastic in the
MacBook and MacBook Pro cases? Generally speaking, plastic won't
interefere with wireless reception while metal casing will actually
block the signal, and this means reception is more finicky when the
signal is weak. It sounds like the new location of your modem is
problematic. Steel and metal objects in your home could be a
particular problem.

James.

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puzzle

[Rosemary Horton]

I'm completely puzzled. We moved our modem into another room and  
weren't able to get wireless connections upstairs anymore..I thought,  
My macbook pro doesn't get a signal, my husband's macbook has no  
trouble. Same network setup in both computers. Anyone any ideas? Fixes?


I've have Macbook Pro
2.12 Ghz Intel Core 2 Duo
3 GB 667 MHz DDr 2 SDRAM

My husband's is Macbook
1.83 GH Intel Core 2 Duo
2GB 667 DDr2 2 sdram


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Re: Identical FW drive puzzle

[Antony N. Lord]

I can't help with the problem I'm afraid but I did have a question :

Can you recommend a supplier for the U6 enclosure (or any other 
decent enclosures).


I really need to get some external storage happening!

[Looking for FW800 and probably SATA, maybe PATA]

Cheers, Antony.

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