Re: Harvey Norman HP printer

[Gordon Morris]

On Sunday, December 8, 2002, at 04:03 PM, Shay Telfer wrote:


Another point no one has mentioned: It pays to check out the price of
the in carts before you buy the printer. HP carts cost in the range of
$70-90 each. Compare this to Epson carts at around $40-50. 
Admittedly,

you won;t find anything anywhere comparing the capacity of the carts,
but it makes me think twice about buying cheap printers if the next
time around I'll need to shell out twice the money just for 
replacement

ink carts.


HP cartridges include a new print head, so if your print head is
clogged up you can just replace the cartridge and you get a nice new
one. Epson cartridges don't contain a new head, and thus your print
head can get clogged if you don't use it regularly and then require
unclogging.

Hence, HP cartridges are more expensive.

Have fun,
Shay


Further to the whole debate.
Epson's are lovely while they work - send you bald when they don't 
(pull ya hair out). As Shay said you don't get a new print head with 
every cartridge and an Epson service is 80% of the purchase price.
The print cartridges supplied with new HP printers are 25% full - it is 
taster to get you consuming.
I have heard that Lexmark have had a sales campaign in the US - buy 
four printer cartridges and get a free printer.
Printer ink wholesales for about $60-$70 per litre I was told by a mate 
in the printer cartridge refill game.
Sending beautifully rendered PDFs electronically can save you some 
money can't it?

Gordo

Re: Harvey Norman HP printer

[Shay Telfer]

Another point no one has mentioned: It pays to check out the price of
the in carts before you buy the printer. HP carts cost in the range of
$70-90 each. Compare this to Epson carts at around $40-50. Admittedly,
you won;t find anything anywhere comparing the capacity of the carts,
but it makes me think twice about buying cheap printers if the next
time around I'll need to shell out twice the money just for replacement
ink carts.


HP cartridges include a new print head, so if your print head is 
clogged up you can just replace the cartridge and you get a nice new 
one. Epson cartridges don't contain a new head, and thus your print 
head can get clogged if you don't use it regularly and then require 
unclogging.


Hence, HP cartridges are more expensive.

Have fun,
Shay
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Re: Harvey Norman HP printer

[Dave Choy]

Another point no one has mentioned: It pays to check out the price of 
the in carts before you buy the printer. HP carts cost in the range of 
$70-90 each. Compare this to Epson carts at around $40-50. Admittedly, 
you won;t find anything anywhere comparing the capacity of the carts, 
but it makes me think twice about buying cheap printers if the next 
time around I'll need to shell out twice the money just for replacement 
ink carts.

Personally, while I think HP printers aren't too bad in terms of 
quality, if you look at the cost of the printer carts, the problem with 
OS X drivers that often don't get fixed for months, AND the fact that 
HP was very quick to abandon the Mac market only a few years ago at a 
whim, I personally would stand by epson any day. Epson even released 
drivers for their superseded laser only a few weeks ago

Regards,

Dave



On Saturday, December 7, 2002, at 07:27 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

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> Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 22:40:26 +0800
> From: John Currie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: re Harvey Norman HP Printer
>
>>> I don't wish to preempt next week's mailer but you may see a HP Mac
>>> compatible inkjet printer for $69 including USB cable!
>>
>> Does that mean we have reached the point where it's cheaper to throw
>> out the printer and buy a new one than to replace the ink cartridges?
>>
>> Have fun,
>> Shay
>
> Yes we have reached that point and I wonder whether something can be 
> done
> about it via the ACC Professor Fels etc
> I think I would be safe in saying that inkjet cartridges are the only
> items associated with the computer industry which have actually 
> increased
> in price in recent years.
>
> Anyone want to start a petition
>
> John
>
>
>
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Re: re Harvey Norman HP Printer

[Susan Hastings]

We have a fairly simple and cheap parallel Laser printer on my 
husband's PC, which I use for contract work documents, and he uses for 
his lecturing notes. We've only replaced the toner once in two years, 
and it cost $40. Have spent about a million (slight exaggeration) on 
inkjet cartridges in the meantime for everyday printing.



On Friday, December 6, 2002, at 10:40 PM, John Currie wrote:


I don't wish to preempt next week's mailer but you may see a HP Mac
compatible inkjet printer for $69 including USB cable!


Does that mean we have reached the point where it's cheaper to throw
out the printer and buy a new one than to replace the ink cartridges?

Have fun,
Shay


Yes we have reached that point and I wonder whether something can be 
done

about it via the ACC Professor Fels etc
I think I would be safe in saying that inkjet cartridges are the only
items associated with the computer industry which have actually 
increased

in price in recent years.

Anyone want to start a petition

John



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Re: re Harvey Norman HP Printer

[john m]

I raised this very issue, last year, with the ACCC. I mentioned that the 
price of the ink in ink-cartridges works out to at least $900.00 per 
litre*, and I suggested that the manufacturers of printers are colluding 
in fixing the price of ink-cartridges at artificially high levels. The 
response I got was that the various manufacturers are entitled to charge 
what they please. Notwithstanding, it might be worth raising a petition.

* Calculated by measuring the volume (only 50ml, even excluding the 
sponge filling) of the "black" ink-cartridge for an Epson 760 printer, 
at $45.00 per cartridge.

john.m

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nothing." Edmund Burke


John Currie wrote:

>>>I don't wish to preempt next week's mailer but you may see a HP Mac
>>>compatible inkjet printer for $69 including USB cable!
>>>
>>Does that mean we have reached the point where it's cheaper to throw
>>out the printer and buy a new one than to replace the ink cartridges?
>>
>>Have fun,
>>Shay
>>
>
>Yes we have reached that point and I wonder whether something can be done
>about it via the ACC Professor Fels etc
>I think I would be safe in saying that inkjet cartridges are the only
>items associated with the computer industry which have actually increased
>in price in recent years.
>
>Anyone want to start a petition
>
>John
>
>
>
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Re: re Harvey Norman HP Printer

[John Currie]

>>I don't wish to preempt next week's mailer but you may see a HP Mac
>>compatible inkjet printer for $69 including USB cable!
>
>Does that mean we have reached the point where it's cheaper to throw
>out the printer and buy a new one than to replace the ink cartridges?
>
>Have fun,
>Shay

Yes we have reached that point and I wonder whether something can be done
about it via the ACC Professor Fels etc
I think I would be safe in saying that inkjet cartridges are the only
items associated with the computer industry which have actually increased
in price in recent years.

Anyone want to start a petition

John

Re: re Harvey Norman HP Printer

[Shay Telfer]

I don't wish to preempt next week's mailer but you may see a HP Mac
compatible inkjet printer for $69 including USB cable!


Does that mean we have reached the point where it's cheaper to throw 
out the printer and buy a new one than to replace the ink cartridges?


Have fun,
Shay
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Re: re Harvey Norman HP Printer

[Keith Palmer, Zytech]

I don't wish to preempt next week's mailer but you may see a HP Mac 
compatible inkjet printer for $69 including USB cable!


On Friday, December 6, 2002, at 11:44 AM, KEVIN Lock wrote:


I just purchased one @$79.00. There begins the problem. I am
running 8.6 on the iMac I want to hook it up to and it requires at
least OS9. It also comes sans cable...another $20.00


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Re: re Harvey Norman HP Printer

[Gary Roberts]

Apparently OS 9 can still be purchased through the Apple Store.



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From: KEVIN Lock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: re Harvey Norman HP Printer
Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 11:44:35 +0800

I just purchased one @$79.00. There begins the problem. I am
running 8.6 on the iMac I want to hook it up to and it requires at
least OS9. It also comes sans cable...another $20.00.

It is still a deal though and I now have to figure a cheap way of
upgrading the system from 8.6 to OS9.

Any ideas?

TIA

Kevin

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re Harvey Norman HP Printer

[KEVIN Lock]

I just purchased one @$79.00. There begins the problem. I am 
running 8.6 on the iMac I want to hook it up to and it requires at 
least OS9. It also comes sans cable...another $20.00.


It is still a deal though and I now have to figure a cheap way of 
upgrading the system from 8.6 to OS9.


Any ideas?

TIA

Kevin