[wdvltalk] Re: online status

2004-01-05 Thread Bj
- Original Message -
From: "Steve Miller"

> The problem is when someone closes their browser
> or simply lets the cookie expire, the database is not
> updated and now holds IDs of non logged-in users.
> Any creative suggestions as to how to get around
> this problem?

Keep a db field for 'last activity' that gets updated every time a page is
loaded in that session.  So when you look at the db, the only users
currently logged-in are those with a 'last activity' time = t or greater,
where t = now - session timeout.

You can either tidy up the db manually from time to time, or add a bit of
code to the login page that evry time someone logs in, deletes all expired
records from the database (delete * from users where last-active < t)



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[wdvltalk] Re: Site Check Please [Rudy]

2004-01-05 Thread rudy
> Hmmm. Rudy, my suggestion to you, as a user of the WWW,
[ SNIP A HUGE SOUR GRAPES SELF-JUSTIFICATION ]

don't shoot the messenger, my dear friend

you were kidding, right?

please, do yourself AND YOUR CLIENTS a favour -- do some more accessibility
research besides your brother and wife

e.g.  http://www.w3.org/TR/WAI-WEBCONTENT/

do a bobby check on your site

http://bobby.watchfire.com/bobby/bobbyServlet?URL=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.webinitiative.net%2Fexchange_club%2Findex.html&output=Submit&gl=wcag1-aaa&test=

specifically,

  1.. If you can't make a page accessible, construct an alternate accessible
version.
  2.. If style sheets are ignored or unsupported, are pages still readable
and usable?
  3.. Provide alternative content for each SCRIPT that conveys important
information or functionality.


like i said, don't shoot the messenger

and remember that it's not about you or me, it's about your clients



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[wdvltalk] RE: online status

2004-01-05 Thread Erich D. Mansell
Try setting a function that destroys the cookie on the onunload event

Erich

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[wdvltalk] Re: Site Check Please [Rudy]

2004-01-05 Thread Gerenday, Perry (P.)
From: rudy 

> the site is totally useless with javascript turned off

Hmmm. Rudy, my suggestion to you, as a user of the WWW, would be to stop
disabling features of your browser that were developed to enhance your
browsing experience. Then, as a developer, find a survey - or conduct one
yourself, to find out how many average individuals disable Javascript in
their browser, know they can turn it off, or even know what Javascript
actually is. I've done a little survey of my own recently, which included an
Associate Professor of Biomedical  Engineering (my wife) and the Director of
IT for a multi-national corporation (my brother). All those surveyed were
frequent users of the WWW and none of them had Javascript turned off. Some
of them made a pretty accurate guess at how to disabling Javascript but none
knew exactly how to do it. I submit that Javascript is not an evil creature
laying in wait for the unsuspecting web surfer but rather a useful tool. Do
you lock away your carpenter's hammer and use your shoe to drive nails
because you heard tales of people who have smashed them thumbs? I doubt it. 



> so boo for using javascript to sniff my browser and then fail to deliver a
> working stylesheet which just happens to contain eveything functional

Despite me belief that Javascript is a viable tool, I agree here. I should
have provided for the event of complete JS failure by leaving a latent style
sheet.


> but yay for not giving me the rude "Sorry, your browser does not meet
> current W3C standards and needs to be updated to see this page properly."
> message

Try looking with NN4.7. Now that would be rude.

> the site looks nice but for accessibility, i must give it a failing grade
Then again, I did indicate that I was still working on the site. You can't
fail me until I'm done. ;)

Perry Gerenday
http://www.webinitiative.net

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[wdvltalk] online status

2004-01-05 Thread Steve Miller
Hi all.

We have a site that takes  a login, then sets a cookie to identify the user
and control access to various pages. The cookie is set for only 60 minutes,
but we reset it each time a new page is accessed so that you will stay
logged in as long as you are active. We keep a record of each logged-in user
in a database and remove them when they log out, in an attempt to know who
is online.

The problem is when someone closes their browser or simply lets the cookie
expire, the database is not updated and now holds IDs of non logged-in
users. Any creative suggestions as to how to get around this problem?

thanks,
steve miller 

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[wdvltalk] RE: Site Check Please

2004-01-05 Thread Tucson-WebDesign - Al Guevara
Preloading your NAV images would help lots.
Al
At 1/5/2004  01:32 PM, you wrote:
you wrote | -Original Message-
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you wrote | Sent: Monday, January 05, 2004 10:31 PM
you wrote | To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
you wrote | Subject: [wdvltalk] Site Check Please
you wrote |
you wrote |
you wrote | Hey everyone,
you wrote | I've been in lurker mode for quite some time but
you wrote | I'm still around and looking for some help. Can I
you wrote | get a few of you to look at a site redesign I'm
you wrote | working on? I've had some issues with the CSS not
you wrote | working across  browser / platform / operating
you wrote | systems. Because of the subject of the site, I
you wrote | really only anticipate visitors with
you wrote | run-of-the-mill browsers, but that still leaves
you wrote | quite a few variations. As is my habit, [read:
you wrote | downfall] the site really needs pixel perfect
you wrote | alignment. I


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[wdvltalk] Re: converting site to application/xhtml+xml - what about javascript

2004-01-05 Thread Jan
Hi Jurgen,
Hopefully one or more of the following URLS for xhtml will be helpful.
Trying to validate my xhtml pages also helped me.
http://www.w3.org/TR/2000/REC-xhtml1-2126/
http://validator.w3.org/
http://validator.w3.org/file-upload.html
http://www.w3schools.com/xhtml/
http://www.wdvl.com/Authoring/Languages/XML/XHTML/
http://www.freewebmasterhelp.com/tutorials/xhtml/
http://www.topxml.com/xhtml/default.asp
http://www.websitetips.com/xhtml/
Jan

Jurgen Haug wrote:
Hi guys,

can you point me to some sites that show how to convert pages to be served as application/xhmtl?

I mean, what has to be changed so that they still work when they get served as 
application/xhtml and not text/html anymore. Like in JavaScript I hear document.write 
doesn't work anymore. What to do? and I found out with a quick test that this didn't 
work either:
alert("MOO");
I need some good tutorials here :-)

- --
regards,
 Jurgen


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[wdvltalk] RE: Mixing PHP/HTML

2004-01-05 Thread Matthew Macdonald-Wallace
On Mon, 2004-01-05 at 20:43, Amrit Hallan wrote:
> Thanks for replying, everybody.
> 
> The problem, finally is, the PHP doesn't like the  command, so all the file extensions that support
> this line refuse to execute the php code. Similarly, when a file
> executes the php code, it refuses to obey the SSI commands. Is there a
> way out? I have searched on the Net but failed to find a plausible
> solution.
Amrit, 

Replace 



with 



or




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[wdvltalk] RE: Mixing PHP/HTML

2004-01-05 Thread Bj
- Original Message -
From: "Amrit Hallan"

> The problem, finally is, the PHP doesn't like the
>  command

You only need that on an HTML or ASP page.  On a php page you simply use the
php include() function:




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[wdvltalk] RE: Mixing PHP/HTML

2004-01-05 Thread Amrit Hallan
Thanks for replying, everybody.

The problem, finally is, the PHP doesn't like the  command, so all the file extensions that support
this line refuse to execute the php code. Similarly, when a file
executes the php code, it refuses to obey the SSI commands. Is there a
way out? I have searched on the Net but failed to find a plausible
solution.

Thanks.
Amrit


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[wdvltalk] RE: Site Check Please

2004-01-05 Thread Amrit Hallan
A very soothing layout. Checked on both IE 6+ and Opera 7.10 -- looks
the same. Initially I thought there was some problem with the navigation
graphics because they blinked when I moved the cursor from one tab to
another, but later on workedfine.

Amrit


you wrote | -Original Message-
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you wrote | Sent: Monday, January 05, 2004 10:31 PM
you wrote | To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
you wrote | Subject: [wdvltalk] Site Check Please
you wrote | 
you wrote | 
you wrote | Hey everyone,
you wrote | I've been in lurker mode for quite some time but 
you wrote | I'm still around and looking for some help. Can I 
you wrote | get a few of you to look at a site redesign I'm 
you wrote | working on? I've had some issues with the CSS not 
you wrote | working across  browser / platform / operating 
you wrote | systems. Because of the subject of the site, I 
you wrote | really only anticipate visitors with 
you wrote | run-of-the-mill browsers, but that still leaves 
you wrote | quite a few variations. As is my habit, [read: 
you wrote | downfall] the site really needs pixel perfect 
you wrote | alignment. I'm using Javascript to serve up browser 
you wrote | appropriate style sheets rather than CSS hacks, 
you wrote | which seem to be failing in some cases. Please take 
you wrote | a look and let me know if you see anything wonky.
you wrote | 
http://www.webinitiative.net/exchange_club/index.html

Thanks,
Perry Gerenday, Internal Communicator / Webmaster
Visteon, Nashville Glass Plant
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[wdvltalk] Re: Site Check Please

2004-01-05 Thread mrport
Hi,

I find that your links disappear when I rollover them.  Looks great
otherwise.

:-)
Riva

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[wdvltalk] RE: site comments !

2004-01-05 Thread William Stewart
Hi Stephen,

It's really a nice looking artistic design.  However, you may want to
reconsider using images for the text.  You can have the same effect with
Times New Roman and some nifty CSS and have the benefit of being
"searchable" and disability-friendly.

Also, any resolution under 1024x768 produces a horizontal scroll bar.  

HTH,
Will 

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please review the site http://consey.com and forward the comments.

stephen


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[wdvltalk] Re: Site Check Please

2004-01-05 Thread Brewnetty \(AuntySpam\)
All of my browsers must have decided to emulate
 MSIE 6 because it looks the same in that
 plus Mozilla, Firebird, and Netscape 7.1
Hover produces a little white
 cloud around the link plus a tool tip title.


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From: Gerenday, Perry (P.)
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Sent: Monday, January 05, 2004 9:01 AM
Subject: [wdvltalk] Site Check Please

| Hey everyone,
| I've been in lurker mode for quite some time but I'm still
| around and
| looking for some help.
| Can I get a few of you to look at a site redesign I'm working
| on? I've had
| some issues with the CSS not working across  browser / platform
| / operating
| systems. Because of the subject of the site, I really only
| anticipate
| visitors with run-of-the-mill browsers, but that still leaves
| quite a few
| variations. As is my habit, [read: downfall] the site really
| needs pixel
| perfect alignment. I'm using Javascript to serve up browser
| appropriate
| style sheets rather than CSS hacks, which seem to be failing in
| some cases.
| Please take a look and let me know if you see anything wonky.
|
| http://www.webinitiative.net/exchange_club/index.html
|
| Thanks,
| Perry Gerenday, Internal Communicator / Webmaster
| Visteon, Nashville Glass Plant
| e: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
| p: 615.350.7656
|
|
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[wdvltalk] RE: Site Check Please

2004-01-05 Thread jac
opps sorry it's back now... dunno, gremlins or something :o)

I like the look of it - 

Wonky: 
on mouseover the navigation vanishes
when I click on the invisible links I'm not taken anywhere (even though
I can see the address in the status bar)

hth
jac.


> -Original Message-
> From: Gerenday, Perry (P.) 
> Sent: 05 January 2004 17:01
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: [wdvltalk] Site Check Please
> 
> 
> Hey everyone,
> I've been in lurker mode for quite some time but I'm still around and
> looking for some help.
> Can I get a few of you to look at a site redesign I'm working 
> on? I've had
> some issues with the CSS not working across  browser / 
> platform / operating
> systems. Because of the subject of the site, I really only anticipate
> visitors with run-of-the-mill browsers, but that still leaves 
> quite a few
> variations. As is my habit, [read: downfall] the site really 
> needs pixel
> perfect alignment. I'm using Javascript to serve up browser 
> appropriate
> style sheets rather than CSS hacks, which seem to be failing 
> in some cases.
> Please take a look and let me know if you see anything wonky.
> 
http://www.webinitiative.net/exchange_club/index.html

Thanks,
Perry Gerenday, Internal Communicator / Webmaster
Visteon, Nashville Glass Plant
e: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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[wdvltalk] RE: Site Check Please

2004-01-05 Thread jac
:o)
I'm presuming you took the page down - I got a 404.

let us know when it's back up & running.

jac


> -Original Message-
> From: Gerenday, Perry (P.) 
> Sent: 05 January 2004 17:01
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: [wdvltalk] Site Check Please
> 
> 
> Hey everyone,
> I've been in lurker mode for quite some time but I'm still around and
> looking for some help.
> Can I get a few of you to look at a site redesign I'm working 
> on? I've had
> some issues with the CSS not working across  browser / 
> platform / operating
> systems. Because of the subject of the site, I really only anticipate
> visitors with run-of-the-mill browsers, but that still leaves 
> quite a few
> variations. As is my habit, [read: downfall] the site really 
> needs pixel
> perfect alignment. I'm using Javascript to serve up browser 
> appropriate
> style sheets rather than CSS hacks, which seem to be failing 
> in some cases.
> Please take a look and let me know if you see anything wonky.
> 
http://www.webinitiative.net/exchange_club/index.html

Thanks,
Perry Gerenday, Internal Communicator / Webmaster
Visteon, Nashville Glass Plant
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[wdvltalk] RE: Site Check Please

2004-01-05 Thread Trusz, Andrew
Unfortunately, all kinds of problems.

In Opera 7.11 identifying as Opera and not MSIE, there is no styling at all.
Nor is there any for Firebird. That's the result of using javascript
sniffing. It doesn't work.

Drop the xml prolog, it only throws IE6 into quirks mode. Doesn't help at
all. Put the charset in a metatag not the prolog. 

In your doctype, you've got strict and transitional mixed. Choose one of the
other. The page doesn't validate so no point in making suggestions about the
css or xhtml until it does. 

Your links vanish when rolled over in IE6 on win2k server.

Perry, pixel perfect can't be done; too many variables beyond your control.
It is possible to do a page that will work cross browser without all the
hacks and degrade reasonably well also. The key is to use basic structural
soundness and relatively simple css (IE makes simplicity a necessity). 

You've got a 2 column page. Not a css problem.

drew 


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Subject: [wdvltalk] Site Check Please

Hey everyone,
I've been in lurker mode for quite some time but I'm still around and
looking for some help.
Can I get a few of you to look at a site redesign I'm working on? I've had
some issues with the CSS not working across  browser / platform / operating
systems. Because of the subject of the site, I really only anticipate
visitors with run-of-the-mill browsers, but that still leaves quite a few
variations. As is my habit, [read: downfall] the site really needs pixel
perfect alignment. I'm using Javascript to serve up browser appropriate
style sheets rather than CSS hacks, which seem to be failing in some cases.
Please take a look and let me know if you see anything wonky.

http://www.webinitiative.net/exchange_club/index.html

Thanks,
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[wdvltalk] Re: Site Check Please

2004-01-05 Thread rudy
> Please take a look and let me know if you see anything wonky.
>
> http://www.webinitiative.net/exchange_club/index.html


the site is totally useless with javascript turned off

harsh, i know, but dude, that is a consideration

so boo for using javascript to sniff my browser and then fail to deliver a
working stylesheet which just happens to contain eveything functional

but yay for not giving me the rude "Sorry, your browser does not meet
current W3C standards and needs to be updated to see this page properly."
message

the site looks nice but for accessibility, i must give it a failing grade


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[wdvltalk] Site Check Please

2004-01-05 Thread Gerenday, Perry (P.)
Hey everyone,
I've been in lurker mode for quite some time but I'm still around and
looking for some help.
Can I get a few of you to look at a site redesign I'm working on? I've had
some issues with the CSS not working across  browser / platform / operating
systems. Because of the subject of the site, I really only anticipate
visitors with run-of-the-mill browsers, but that still leaves quite a few
variations. As is my habit, [read: downfall] the site really needs pixel
perfect alignment. I'm using Javascript to serve up browser appropriate
style sheets rather than CSS hacks, which seem to be failing in some cases.
Please take a look and let me know if you see anything wonky.

http://www.webinitiative.net/exchange_club/index.html

Thanks,
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Visteon, Nashville Glass Plant
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[wdvltalk] converting site to application/xhtml+xml - what about javascript

2004-01-05 Thread Jurgen Haug
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Hi guys,

can you point me to some sites that show how to convert pages to be served as 
application/xhmtl?

I mean, what has to be changed so that they still work when they get served as 
application/xhtml and not text/html anymore. Like in JavaScript I hear document.write 
doesn't work anymore. What to do? and I found out with a quick test that this didn't 
work either:
alert("MOO");

I need some good tutorials here :-)

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[wdvltalk] RE: Mixing PHP/HTML

2004-01-05 Thread Trusz, Andrew
You might want to consider xampp ( http://www.apachefriends.org/ ). This
runs on windows and includes both php and perl. Easy to install providing
you read only either the German or English instructions -- mixing confuses
me. 

You have to run the apache server instead of IIS but it's easy enough to do
that for localhost on different ports. 

drew

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In few servers, for instance my current server, I cannot run code that
has both HTML and PHP in .php files. Either pure php works, or pure html
works. I know the problem must be with the server because the same code
works on another client's server. Do we have to mention somewhere how to
access php.exe? For instance, when I run .php files on my machine, I
have to use the link
http://localhost/php.exe/current-project/myfile.php. But how do I do it
on the remote server?

Thanks.

Amrit


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[wdvltalk] Re: Mixing PHP/HTML

2004-01-05 Thread Sheila Fenelon
Amrit Hallan wrote:
In few servers, for instance my current server, I cannot run code that
has both HTML and PHP in .php files. Either pure php works, or pure html
works. I know the problem must be with the server because the same code
works on another client's server. 
I encountered this once. The fix was to start all .php files with an 
opening 

For example, suppose you have a file that starts



... more html



change it to this




... more html



See if that helps. Do you know what type of server it is? Win or Unix? 
If Unix which one?

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[wdvltalk] Re: Mixing PHP/HTML

2004-01-05 Thread Matthew Macdonald-Wallace
On Mon, 2004-01-05 at 13:29, Amrit Hallan wrote:
> In few servers, for instance my current server, I cannot run code that
> has both HTML and PHP in .php files. Either pure php works, or pure html
> works. I know the problem must be with the server because the same code
> works on another client's server. Do we have to mention somewhere how to
> access php.exe? For instance, when I run .php files on my machine, I
> have to use the link
> http://localhost/php.exe/current-project/myfile.php. But how do I do it
> on the remote server?
hmmm, 

Seems like you've got it setup to use the cgi version instead of
php_mod.

I'm guessing you've tried
http://www.your.server.name/path/to/file/file.php as the address? (i.e.
no php.exe?)

What O/S are the server's running? I'm guessing you're running windows
of some sort, how about the client's server?

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[wdvltalk] Mixing PHP/HTML

2004-01-05 Thread Amrit Hallan
In few servers, for instance my current server, I cannot run code that
has both HTML and PHP in .php files. Either pure php works, or pure html
works. I know the problem must be with the server because the same code
works on another client's server. Do we have to mention somewhere how to
access php.exe? For instance, when I run .php files on my machine, I
have to use the link
http://localhost/php.exe/current-project/myfile.php. But how do I do it
on the remote server?

Thanks.

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[wdvltalk] RE: Theory: for headings and XHTML Semantics

2004-01-05 Thread Ross Clutterbuck
> To be honest, though, I did like the chromatic
harmony of the blue site a little better

Yeah me too :(

MOU (who's wondering just how daft a blue sunset will look)


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