Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] [wdvltalk] Browser woe -- so what's new?
From: "David Precious" On 09/19/2008 12:35 PM, joseph harris wrote: This may be a stupid question and I don't mean to offend or belittle you, but you are accessing it via a webserver on your box (i.e. the address bar starts with http://) and not just loading the file directly (with the address bar showing file://), right? Right. And it is a good question David - but I haven't regressed that far ;-). Access is through the localhost server thus http://127.0.0.1/control_your_debt/. The software is Apache via the EasyPHP 2.0b1 bundle on dear old XpSP2. CSS is picked up but on html, shtml files there is no SSI processing - no error messages, no blank screen. Right - it sounds like Apache isn't configured to handle SSI includes. Assuming that you're using Apache 2 and the filenames you're using for HTML pages which include SSI calls use the extension .shtml, you'll need the following in Apache's httpd file: AddType text/html .shtml AddOutputFilter INCLUDES .shtml And, a suitable Options line including "Includes" (or IncludesNoExec) - in a block etc. Have a look at your Apache config file; it's likely that the appropriate options are there already, but just commented out. I don't know if the clue is in Firefoxe's refusal to parse shtml, There's no such thing as "shtml", and Firefox (or any other browser) doesn't know what SSI is; as far as the browser is concerned, SSI calls are just standard HTML comments to be ignored. yet deigning to print the source in the main window. This, to me, sounds like the webserver is serving .shtml files with Content-Type of text/plain rather than text/html. Do you have anything like Tamper Data / Live HTTP Headers Firefox extensions installed which would let you see the Content-Type header that your server is sending? If not, you could do it the manual way - use telnet to connect to localhost on port 80, then say: HEAD /control_your_debt/ HTTP/1.0 Followed by two newlines. Then look for a Content-Type header in the response. So far as i know - and this is not recollection, but the file that worked for this previous website - this is correct calling and The first is mostly correct, although there should be a space before the "-->" at the end. The second is just a HTML comment. You want: .htaccess reads AddType text/.html .shtml AddHandler server-parsed .shtml Options Indexes FollowSymLinks Includes Ah - this is what I was talking about above. It looks mostly right, but if it's Apache2, you'll want the "AddOutputFilter INCLUDES .shtml" as I described above, rather than the "AddHandler server-parsed...". Also, you might find that having those directives in a .htaccess file won't work; only certain directives are allowed in .htaccess files, and the directives that are allowed can be changed by settings in the main config file. Cheers Dave P Hmmm. Now you have me tinkering where I know not... ;-) OK so I've added Includes here [line 204 on mt httpd.conf in the Appache config folder] # The Options directive is both complicated and important. Please see # http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.2/mod/core.html#options # for more information. # Options Indexes FollowSymLinks Includes And uncommented and added .php here [line 461/2] # Filters allow you to process content before it is sent to the client. # # To parse .shtml files for server-side includes (SSI): # (You will also need to add "Includes" to the "Options" directive.) # AddType text/html .shtml .php AddOutputFilter INCLUDES .shtml .php Restarted the server Ha! No change on my script and wordpress index.php won't even appear - blank page. IE and Firefox Restarted the machine, checkedthe file has been saved with changes. Still no action as above. Getting mysterious - or showing some inadequacy by localhost operator... The logic of the chain of action is clear, and with your instructions I can see how it should order the parsing. If I can't sort this by the end of tomorrow I will abandon it. Finding out the problem is just taking time. But if you have any more ideas I'll try them with gratitude for your help. Joseph The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ Send Your Posts To: wdvltalk@lists.wdvl.com To change subscription settings, add a password or view the web interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] [wdvltalk] Browser woe -- so what's new?
On 09/19/2008 12:35 PM, joseph harris wrote: >> This may be a stupid question and I don't mean to offend or >> belittle you, but you are accessing it via a webserver on your box >> (i.e. the address bar starts with http://) and not just loading the >> file directly (with the address bar showing file://), right? > Right. And it is a good question David - but I haven't regressed > that far ;-). Access is through the localhost server thus > http://127.0.0.1/control_your_debt/. The software is Apache via > the EasyPHP 2.0b1 bundle on dear old XpSP2. CSS is picked up but > on html, shtml files there is no SSI processing - no error > messages, no blank screen. Right - it sounds like Apache isn't configured to handle SSI includes. Assuming that you're using Apache 2 and the filenames you're using for HTML pages which include SSI calls use the extension .shtml, you'll need the following in Apache's httpd file: AddType text/html .shtml AddOutputFilter INCLUDES .shtml And, a suitable Options line including "Includes" (or IncludesNoExec) - in a block etc. Have a look at your Apache config file; it's likely that the appropriate options are there already, but just commented out. > I don't know if the clue is in Firefoxe's refusal to parse shtml, There's no such thing as "shtml", and Firefox (or any other browser) doesn't know what SSI is; as far as the browser is concerned, SSI calls are just standard HTML comments to be ignored. > yet deigning to print the source in the main window. This, to me, sounds like the webserver is serving .shtml files with Content-Type of text/plain rather than text/html. Do you have anything like Tamper Data / Live HTTP Headers Firefox extensions installed which would let you see the Content-Type header that your server is sending? If not, you could do it the manual way - use telnet to connect to localhost on port 80, then say: HEAD /control_your_debt/ HTTP/1.0 Followed by two newlines. Then look for a Content-Type header in the response. So far as i > know - and this is not recollection, but the file that worked for > this previous website - this is correct calling > and > The first is mostly correct, although there should be a space before the "-->" at the end. The second is just a HTML comment. You want: > .htaccess reads > AddType text/.html .shtml > AddHandler server-parsed .shtml > Options Indexes FollowSymLinks Includes Ah - this is what I was talking about above. It looks mostly right, but if it's Apache2, you'll want the "AddOutputFilter INCLUDES .shtml" as I described above, rather than the "AddHandler server-parsed...". Also, you might find that having those directives in a .htaccess file won't work; only certain directives are allowed in .htaccess files, and the directives that are allowed can be changed by settings in the main config file. Cheers Dave P The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ Send Your Posts To: wdvltalk@lists.wdvl.com To change subscription settings, add a password or view the web interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] [wdvltalk] Browser woe -- so what's new?
From: "David Precious" On 09/19/2008 10:51 AM, joseph harris wrote: Riva, I've just been banging my head against the wall. The problem is no mystery [except to me at this moment!]. Neither browser is picking up any SSI. It looks as though the css is working. SSI is server-side (hence the name) so the browser has nothing to do with it. I can see I'll have to test on a host - it's just so much easier to do locally! This may be a stupid question and I don't mean to offend or belittle you, but you are accessing it via a webserver on your box (i.e. the address bar starts with http://) and not just loading the file directly (with the address bar showing file://), right? Right. And it is a good question David - but I haven't regressed that far ;-). Access is through the localhost server thus http://127.0.0.1/control_your_debt/. The software is Apache via the EasyPHP 2.0b1 bundle on dear old XpSP2. CSS is picked up but on html, shtml files there is no SSI processing - no error messages, no blank screen. I don't know if the clue is in Firefoxe's refusal to parse shtml, yet deigning to print the source in the main window. So far as i know - and this is not recollection, but the file that worked for this previous website - this is correct calling and . These two [and others] are certainly text files in the same folder. .htaccess reads AddType text/.html .shtml AddHandler server-parsed .shtml Options Indexes FollowSymLinks Includes More ideas welcomed [tied a cushion to my head but still banging the wall]. Joseph The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ Send Your Posts To: wdvltalk@lists.wdvl.com To change subscription settings, add a password or view the web interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] [wdvltalk] Browser woe -- so what's new?
On 09/19/2008 10:51 AM, joseph harris wrote: > Riva, > > I've just been banging my head against the wall. The problem is > no mystery [except to me at this moment!]. Neither browser is > picking up any SSI. It looks as though the css is working. SSI is server-side (hence the name) so the browser has nothing to do with it. > I can see I'll have to test on a host - it's just so much easier > to do locally! This may be a stupid question and I don't mean to offend or belittle you, but you are accessing it via a webserver on your box (i.e. the address bar starts with http://) and not just loading the file directly (with the address bar showing file://), right? The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ Send Your Posts To: wdvltalk@lists.wdvl.com To change subscription settings, add a password or view the web interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] [wdvltalk] Browser woe -- so what's new?
Riva, I've just been banging my head against the wall. The problem is no mystery [except to me at this moment!]. Neither browser is picking up any SSI. It looks as though the css is working. Since localhost is supposed to mimic grown up servers I am assuming that Appache, php and MySQL are in fine fettle. But it looks as though it is not picking up SSI on the Wordpress script either, and that is a polished one. This is starting to look like a EasyPHP issue and I'm wondering if the fault is with the updated version - or just as usual my own incompetence... I can see I'll have to test on a host - it's just so much easier to do locally! Joseph From: "Portman" Hmm. I don't know. Can you send the whole page so I can try it out on my computer? Also, I notice that you have one tag - could that possibly do something? Riva On 9/18/2008 5:59 PM, joseph harris wrote: Hi Riva, It's pretty much what I show below, with a bit more content - all text and a few variants - which is pretty minimal. I am between websites at the moment, though I am planning one as quickly as I can make it. Which is why I'm quite alarmed by this problem which just shouldn't be there. Is it possible that it is because it's localhost? Joseph From: "Portman" ? Do you have it up online where we can look at it in action? Riva On 9/16/2008 7:52 AM, joseph harris wrote: First Hi Zack! I'm a beginner since I joined which was a while back ;-)... And Hi Franni in particular; nice to see you posting. Can someone remind me why this .html file is OK in IE (as ever) but chokes Firefox (as ever) - simply printing the code? MS Xp SP2 on desktop using Apache/php/MySQL through EasyPHP. TIA Joseph Harris Transitional//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40/loose.dtd";> Control Your Debt Crisis on your Own Terms : Making Creditors and Debt Collectors Obey the Law CONTENT="text/css"> MEDIA="all"> • The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM • To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ Send Your Posts To: wdvltalk@lists.wdvl.com To change subscription settings, add a password or view the web interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with. • The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM • To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ Send Your Posts To: wdvltalk@lists.wdvl.com To change subscription settings, add a password or view the web interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] [wdvltalk] Browser woe -- so what's new?
Hmm. I don't know. Can you send the whole page so I can try it out on my computer? Also, I notice that you have one tag - could that possibly do something? Riva On 9/18/2008 5:59 PM, joseph harris wrote: Hi Riva, It's pretty much what I show below, with a bit more content - all text and a few variants - which is pretty minimal. I am between websites at the moment, though I am planning one as quickly as I can make it. Which is why I'm quite alarmed by this problem which just shouldn't be there. Is it possible that it is because it's localhost? Joseph From: "Portman" ? Do you have it up online where we can look at it in action? Riva On 9/16/2008 7:52 AM, joseph harris wrote: First Hi Zack! I'm a beginner since I joined which was a while back ;-)... And Hi Franni in particular; nice to see you posting. Can someone remind me why this .html file is OK in IE (as ever) but chokes Firefox (as ever) - simply printing the code? MS Xp SP2 on desktop using Apache/php/MySQL through EasyPHP. TIA Joseph Harris "http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40/loose.dtd";> Control Your Debt Crisis on your Own Terms : Making Creditors and Debt Collectors Obey the Law • The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM • To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ Send Your Posts To: wdvltalk@lists.wdvl.com To change subscription settings, add a password or view the web interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
